In other words, the defining feature of a woman is her availability for sex with men.

You can’t be both feminist and Gorean, though you can play at it if you feel the urge.

I am a full blooded man with documented fertility who finds Gor males the scum of the earth.

Bully boy RL wimps with little dicks who like to pretend to be 6-pack macho men.

/Archie drops his trews and shows his hairy bum to the wimpy boys of Gor.

In the real world full coverage was a cultural mechanism.

A raiding party form a hostile tribe would find it harder to distinguish the more physically attractive women from the older /less attractive ( which happens in RL – unlike in Gor sims)- within the limited time available before a raiding party would flee

in Gor the same type of raids would theoretically exist- ye there the women are on full display
it doesent work

RE “they are supposed to be cold and assexual, any display of romantics or sexual interest is seen as the Free woman wanting to be enslaved, and they will be for it.”

worht looking into Albanian concept of ‘sworn virgins’ for an interesting RL parallel to this

Woman are subservent to men of Gor because men can enslave them, though that only happens under the extreme of circumstances, women are respected and cared for. Of course the books are nothing like online. That first picture up the top. If that happened in the books the men would have been executed or exiled for treating a FW in that way.

I don’t believe that’s true. Pay wages haven’t changed, just standard of living has gone up, where one parent could only afford so much and that would be normal and everyone would be happy with that, two parents could afford much more, and with many Mothers and Fathers working today, being able to afford that large house in the suburbs with 3 cars seems normal. There are certainly still plenty of single parents, and stay at home moms that manage to get by on only one salary. It’s not that they couldn’t afford on one salary what they could before, it’s that they can’t afford on one salary what most people have now through two salaries.

“I guess I feel that the dichotomy between a freewoman who must remain totally covered (including a face veil) and a slave girl, who is scantily clad in nothing but a few pieces of strategically placed silk, and must cower at the feet of her master, a bit difficult to take.”

As I see it, and how it’s specifically outlined throughout the books, is that the ironically named “Free woman” is just in a different kind of slavery. They’re not owned by one master, they’re owned by the entire society of men, like I said, the REAL free-woman outfit as per the books, is a burqa. And, like in the middle east, a Woman may for no reason remove any bit of it without risking being beaten to death or enslaved. The free women are certainly not free, they’re forced to wear burqas and they’re forced into certain behaviors, the diametrically opposite behavior of the slaves, that is that they are supposed to be cold and assexual, any display of romantics or sexual interest is seen as the Free woman wanting to be enslaved, and they will be for it. Free Women always talk about how respected they are, but riding that edge of either obey the unrealistic and oppressive demands of a male society on gender, or be forced into a life of servitude for being yourself, does not translate into either a concept of freedom or respect for me.

Of course there are exceptions, but most of them just tend to be bitter, angry losers who play in a D&D-esque fantasy world that just happens to involve bondage and rape.

Like all stupid people that fill my life with such merriment, I thank God for them – but ladies, if your man thinks that humiliating you in front of others is an acceptable way to treat you, then drop his ass and get a real man.

- Puck

I guess I feel that the dichotomy between a freewoman who must remain totally covered (including a face veil) and a slave girl, who is scantily clad in nothing but a few pieces of strategically placed silk, and must cower at the feet of her master, a bit difficult to take. On the one hand, the freewoman appears to have the advantage in her freedom from dominance, and her ability to move about as she pleases. But she has no freedom to expose her face or body. Her femininity and desirability are hidden away. And then on the other hand, you have the slave girls. Their faces and bodies are completely on display as sexual creatures, but they have no freedom over their own lives. Yet both are women. They are so different, yet still so alike. Equally enslaved by the same system. It is an interesting contrast.

I like the idea of not having to be a “feminist” in the sense of having/doing it all. A career, a home, a family, the works. It is an enormous responsibility, and you feel like you have to succeed at at all of it or you are a failure. Trying to have a career, and a family at the same time is next to impossible. We struggle along at it because the household needs the second income, but the children are neglected. I am curious to see what kind of adults and parents they become. From what I have observed of the young women I know, they hated daycare and being latchkey kids. They are marrying young, having families early, and staying home with the children. At least for now. I hope it can last. We can always return to our careers after our children are older, or grown.

So to be in Gor, and be cherished and protected by a man sounds like a good thing, especially if you are coming to it from a RL where you were abused, or not respected. The important thing is that the Gorean men need to be aware of that. That many women have been abused, and turn to Gor because they feel they deserve abuse. Men of Gor, treat your women with the love and respect you claim to feel. Protect them. Make them feel safe. Be kind to them.

Princess Ivory

I read your long post and you have good points. It is true that SOME females prefer the “traditional” role- the nurturer, housekeeper, ect. Certainly there are also many females that prefer to be sexually submissive. Not all, but obviously there is a good number, because otherwise Gor would not exist.

But even though you make a good point, you aren’t actually defending Gor from anything it has been accused of. Women can fill the traditional role without being slaves. Being submission and being owned by another human being is two very different things. Wanting to be a stay-at-home mom doesn’t mean “please rape me.”

The post right below yours makes a good point. Free Women in Gor have to cover their faces, and do not have the same rights as men… why? Because females who aren’t slaves are less worthy than men? That is the part of Gor culture that most find disgusting… not the fact that women express femininity.

And btw, it is a women’s choice if she wants to get a job and progress with a career or if she wants to stay at home and raise children. I know plenty of women who prefer that lifestyle. I can’t say I agree with their decision, but the point is that choice exists, and I think you are exaggerating about the goals of feminism. The stay-at-home mom is far from being stigmatized in American society.

I also want to remind everyone that I do not hate Gor or believe it shouldn’t be practiced, but I personally find it offensive because it implies inequality between the sexes.