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		<title>By: Gwyneth Llewelyn</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2008/02/second-life-eco.html/comment-page-1#comment-16485</link>
		<dc:creator>Gwyneth Llewelyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2008 14:50:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Note that the grids based on OpenSim don&#039;t have an &quot;economy&quot; (yet) since &quot;money&quot; is not supported (yet) by the OpenSim software...

Needless to say, the auctions for land at Central Grid are totally speculative — since nobody is able to deploy any sort of highly-interactive content on OpenSim-run grids yet (scripting is partially supported), and inventory transfers between avatars don&#039;t work :)

So it&#039;s too soon to say that all the OpenSim-based grids are &quot;hurting LL&#039;s economy&quot;... they will, eventually, as OpenSim slowly improves and acquires all features of the LL-run grid. But this is something that will take a couple of years yet... and *then* we can measure the impact it might have on LL!

Alas, Zero Linden has already announced that LL is planning a common effort to join all these grids... so by the time OpenSim becomes &quot;mature&quot; enough to run real alternatives to LL&#039;s own grid, it might happen on an already-integrated SL-compatible metaverse  ;)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Note that the grids based on OpenSim don&#8217;t have an &#8220;economy&#8221; (yet) since &#8220;money&#8221; is not supported (yet) by the OpenSim software&#8230;</p>
<p>Needless to say, the auctions for land at Central Grid are totally speculative — since nobody is able to deploy any sort of highly-interactive content on OpenSim-run grids yet (scripting is partially supported), and inventory transfers between avatars don&#8217;t work <img src='http://alphavilleherald.com/site/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>So it&#8217;s too soon to say that all the OpenSim-based grids are &#8220;hurting LL&#8217;s economy&#8221;&#8230; they will, eventually, as OpenSim slowly improves and acquires all features of the LL-run grid. But this is something that will take a couple of years yet&#8230; and *then* we can measure the impact it might have on LL!</p>
<p>Alas, Zero Linden has already announced that LL is planning a common effort to join all these grids&#8230; so by the time OpenSim becomes &#8220;mature&#8221; enough to run real alternatives to LL&#8217;s own grid, it might happen on an already-integrated SL-compatible metaverse  <img src='http://alphavilleherald.com/site/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Expletive Acronym</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2008/02/second-life-eco.html/comment-page-1#comment-16484</link>
		<dc:creator>Expletive Acronym</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2008 13:58:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe it is not the strength of the economy that has slightly slipped, maybe it is the transparency of money changing hands.

LL has lately been taking their sweet time processing payments. They take the full 5 business days now. That means you get your money after 7 days, or 8 days if you posted your payment late into the first day. Some content creators I have talked to are now refusing to accept lindens for jobs and only deal with paypal directly.

Though content creators represent only a small number of the people, they represent a large margin of the economy. If more of them are recently starting to shy away from accepting lindens, it would be reflected by an apparent slight slippage in &quot;the strength of the economy based on the people who use it&quot; when you are looking strictly at LL&#039;s figures.

One way to cause a recession for sure is irresponsible media coverage and fear mongering.  Enjoy your aids.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe it is not the strength of the economy that has slightly slipped, maybe it is the transparency of money changing hands.</p>
<p>LL has lately been taking their sweet time processing payments. They take the full 5 business days now. That means you get your money after 7 days, or 8 days if you posted your payment late into the first day. Some content creators I have talked to are now refusing to accept lindens for jobs and only deal with paypal directly.</p>
<p>Though content creators represent only a small number of the people, they represent a large margin of the economy. If more of them are recently starting to shy away from accepting lindens, it would be reflected by an apparent slight slippage in &#8220;the strength of the economy based on the people who use it&#8221; when you are looking strictly at LL&#8217;s figures.</p>
<p>One way to cause a recession for sure is irresponsible media coverage and fear mongering.  Enjoy your aids.</p>
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		<title>By: Expletive Acronym</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2008/02/second-life-eco.html/comment-page-1#comment-16483</link>
		<dc:creator>Expletive Acronym</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2008 13:40:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe it&#039;s not the SL economy that is slightly down. Maybe it is transparency of the figures that has slipped.

LL has lately been taking their sweet time processing payments (5 full working days, which means you might get your money after 7-8 days counting weekends). Some content creators I&#039;ve talked to have started refusing to take Lindens for jobs and instead do paypal directly. While this represents only a small margin of overall users, content creators make the most money and this could explain why &quot;the strength of the economy based on the people who use it have only slightly slipped.&quot;

The total number of users will always rise and fall periodically but it&#039;s the strength of the economy based on the people who use it that matters and whether money is changing hands or not is not always apparent.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe it&#8217;s not the SL economy that is slightly down. Maybe it is transparency of the figures that has slipped.</p>
<p>LL has lately been taking their sweet time processing payments (5 full working days, which means you might get your money after 7-8 days counting weekends). Some content creators I&#8217;ve talked to have started refusing to take Lindens for jobs and instead do paypal directly. While this represents only a small margin of overall users, content creators make the most money and this could explain why &#8220;the strength of the economy based on the people who use it have only slightly slipped.&#8221;</p>
<p>The total number of users will always rise and fall periodically but it&#8217;s the strength of the economy based on the people who use it that matters and whether money is changing hands or not is not always apparent.</p>
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		<title>By: Prokofy Neva</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2008/02/second-life-eco.html/comment-page-1#comment-16482</link>
		<dc:creator>Prokofy Neva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2008 10:34:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;zero interest, full reserve, no withdrawal limits policy

Why would you put money in a box like this, giving it to another person through a prim who might take it? Why wouldn&#039;t you just put it in PayPal money market?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>>zero interest, full reserve, no withdrawal limits policy</p>
<p>Why would you put money in a box like this, giving it to another person through a prim who might take it? Why wouldn&#8217;t you just put it in PayPal money market?</p>
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		<title>By: Prokofy Neva</title>
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		<dc:creator>Prokofy Neva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 23:50:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My blog is pitched over the heads of low-lifes like SOP, it makes them fuss and fume and go into a terrible frenzy, beating their wings against the windshield like furious black flies but then they give up.




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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My blog is pitched over the heads of low-lifes like SOP, it makes them fuss and fume and go into a terrible frenzy, beating their wings against the windshield like furious black flies but then they give up.</p>
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		<title>By: duh</title>
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		<dc:creator>duh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 18:01:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Prok got screwed on a land deal, therefore the economy is doing just fine.  In fact, radical anarchists have taken it over, and the market is unstoppable.  It&#039;s a crime what you have to do, just to buy a piece of land because it doesn&#039;t fit your aesthetic purposes.

&quot;I&#039;d have it all, if it weren&#039;t for those pesky Leninists......&quot;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Prok got screwed on a land deal, therefore the economy is doing just fine.  In fact, radical anarchists have taken it over, and the market is unstoppable.  It&#8217;s a crime what you have to do, just to buy a piece of land because it doesn&#8217;t fit your aesthetic purposes.</p>
<p>&#8220;I&#8217;d have it all, if it weren&#8217;t for those pesky Leninists&#8230;&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: SqueezeOne Pow</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2008/02/second-life-eco.html/comment-page-1#comment-16479</link>
		<dc:creator>SqueezeOne Pow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 14:26:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, Prok is just mad that I shut her the fuck down on her blog. We all know she can&#039;t admit when she&#039;s wrong so she just turns it into the half ass insults and accusations we&#039;ve all come to expect from her. Hell whole groups of people even seek that response out of her for entertainment value!

Se voce quer saber se falo portugues so tem que viajar pro meu sim e fala comigo! Mas, provavelmente ela nunca vai chegar ai por causa da realidade que ela so&#039; fala merda e nao atualmente faca nada com valor. Que pena que a vida dela e&#039; gastado em nada importante.

As far as Mony, I totally agree that this is a puzzle. Unfortunately LL doesn&#039;t exactly give us all the pieces to work with so the picture tends to stay incomplete.

As far as non-english speakers and all that, all I&#039;m trying to say is that there are more dynamics to consider than just the people that we see everyday. You have to take into account all the economic dynamics in different countries on an individual basis if you are to understand the world economy. It would be foolish to deny that one country&#039;s progress from 3rd world to 1st world (terms I find somewhat ethnocentric) would have an effect on the overall numbers of the world economy. In SL, this means the growth of Brazilians in SL (for example) and the comparatively recent boom in money circulating in that community would definitely have an effect on SL&#039;s overall economic numbers and should be taken into consideration when looking at this puzzle.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, Prok is just mad that I shut her the fuck down on her blog. We all know she can&#8217;t admit when she&#8217;s wrong so she just turns it into the half ass insults and accusations we&#8217;ve all come to expect from her. Hell whole groups of people even seek that response out of her for entertainment value!</p>
<p>Se voce quer saber se falo portugues so tem que viajar pro meu sim e fala comigo! Mas, provavelmente ela nunca vai chegar ai por causa da realidade que ela so&#8217; fala merda e nao atualmente faca nada com valor. Que pena que a vida dela e&#8217; gastado em nada importante.</p>
<p>As far as Mony, I totally agree that this is a puzzle. Unfortunately LL doesn&#8217;t exactly give us all the pieces to work with so the picture tends to stay incomplete.</p>
<p>As far as non-english speakers and all that, all I&#8217;m trying to say is that there are more dynamics to consider than just the people that we see everyday. You have to take into account all the economic dynamics in different countries on an individual basis if you are to understand the world economy. It would be foolish to deny that one country&#8217;s progress from 3rd world to 1st world (terms I find somewhat ethnocentric) would have an effect on the overall numbers of the world economy. In SL, this means the growth of Brazilians in SL (for example) and the comparatively recent boom in money circulating in that community would definitely have an effect on SL&#8217;s overall economic numbers and should be taken into consideration when looking at this puzzle.</p>
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		<title>By: Mony Markova</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mony Markova</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 13:24:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is too interesting. Still some of us might agree that this is still a puzzle.

Given the complexity of this topic I would refrain only to comment on the metrics to determine if there is a recession and to measure the size of the economy. Comments of socio-logical nature, os share of wealth among the classes and nationalities, well, I mean -too deep for my poor little brain- I am only trying to process the metrics issue at this point.

My 2 cents say that TOTAL dollars converted to lindens DIVIDED by active population... in a given time has to be the best metric to measure the size of the economy...

This will give you $Lindens in world per capita... u can also use the same metric without diving it by total active population... giving you a total lindens in the marketplace, but since there are new people coming in... the econmy tends to have a growth driven by population growth. This is why to meausre its behavior you need PER CAPITA measures. Dont loose your sleep if an unknown number of them are ALTs. Ok instead of population divide it by unique IP addresses if u can get that data...

What happens to that money inside the system? It does not matter, it is only a metric, only an indicator, not a perfect know-it all follow-up all measure. Economists and business analyist use metrics to help determine an unknown situation... and determine the health of the economy... or best strategies...a shared and understood metric is what is needed, even if it is imperfect.

I bet there is NO recession in SL. Maybe there is a lower total spending per capita... now that is interesting for business owners, but again terms will be confussing, we are in baby-diapers here.

By the way to those internationally interested... I am not english speaker an not a U.S. national, I dont get why that matters anyhow... we are talking economics, no socio-economics, dont complicate your self over an already complex matter.

Cheers anyway
:D
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is too interesting. Still some of us might agree that this is still a puzzle.</p>
<p>Given the complexity of this topic I would refrain only to comment on the metrics to determine if there is a recession and to measure the size of the economy. Comments of socio-logical nature, os share of wealth among the classes and nationalities, well, I mean -too deep for my poor little brain- I am only trying to process the metrics issue at this point.</p>
<p>My 2 cents say that TOTAL dollars converted to lindens DIVIDED by active population&#8230; in a given time has to be the best metric to measure the size of the economy&#8230;</p>
<p>This will give you $Lindens in world per capita&#8230; u can also use the same metric without diving it by total active population&#8230; giving you a total lindens in the marketplace, but since there are new people coming in&#8230; the econmy tends to have a growth driven by population growth. This is why to meausre its behavior you need PER CAPITA measures. Dont loose your sleep if an unknown number of them are ALTs. Ok instead of population divide it by unique IP addresses if u can get that data&#8230;</p>
<p>What happens to that money inside the system? It does not matter, it is only a metric, only an indicator, not a perfect know-it all follow-up all measure. Economists and business analyist use metrics to help determine an unknown situation&#8230; and determine the health of the economy&#8230; or best strategies&#8230;a shared and understood metric is what is needed, even if it is imperfect.</p>
<p>I bet there is NO recession in SL. Maybe there is a lower total spending per capita&#8230; now that is interesting for business owners, but again terms will be confussing, we are in baby-diapers here.</p>
<p>By the way to those internationally interested&#8230; I am not english speaker an not a U.S. national, I dont get why that matters anyhow&#8230; we are talking economics, no socio-economics, dont complicate your self over an already complex matter.</p>
<p>Cheers anyway <img src='http://alphavilleherald.com/site/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: IntLibber Brautigan</title>
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		<dc:creator>IntLibber Brautigan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 08:32:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually Jessica, the stats say the upper class population is static. Its not dropping in numbers, it just didn&#039;t grow from december to january, however it did grow about 17% between august and december, a growth rate that was common to all levels of PMLF population for that period as the economy recovered a bit from the hit taken by the gambling ban and the ginko collapse. So I interpret this to mean that the upper class recovered at the same rate as the others from august to december, then started spreading the wealth to their staff as they prepared new content and services, however one could also say that the January numbers being flat reflect the financial impact of the bank interest ban on WSE and JTF, which are for all intents and purposes defunct organizations. If JTF recovers as SLWallet that would be helpful for the economy, but these rule changes, passed with claims of protecting peoples money, wind up causing more economic damage than they prevent. WSE wont even be operating with L$ if it ever opens again, its investors will get stuck with WICs nobody wants, which is why so many WSE CEO&#039;s are looking at moving to ACE.

Meanwhile, deposits at ACE have increased by 2.3 times since the bank interest ban. The number of listed companies has grown to 10, and our trading volumes have increased massively. The investing public is recovering, and they value that ACE was prescient in establishing its zero interest, full reserve, no withdrawal limits policy from its inception.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually Jessica, the stats say the upper class population is static. Its not dropping in numbers, it just didn&#8217;t grow from december to january, however it did grow about 17% between august and december, a growth rate that was common to all levels of PMLF population for that period as the economy recovered a bit from the hit taken by the gambling ban and the ginko collapse. So I interpret this to mean that the upper class recovered at the same rate as the others from august to december, then started spreading the wealth to their staff as they prepared new content and services, however one could also say that the January numbers being flat reflect the financial impact of the bank interest ban on WSE and JTF, which are for all intents and purposes defunct organizations. If JTF recovers as SLWallet that would be helpful for the economy, but these rule changes, passed with claims of protecting peoples money, wind up causing more economic damage than they prevent. WSE wont even be operating with L$ if it ever opens again, its investors will get stuck with WICs nobody wants, which is why so many WSE CEO&#8217;s are looking at moving to ACE.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, deposits at ACE have increased by 2.3 times since the bank interest ban. The number of listed companies has grown to 10, and our trading volumes have increased massively. The investing public is recovering, and they value that ACE was prescient in establishing its zero interest, full reserve, no withdrawal limits policy from its inception.</p>
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		<title>By: Qubius</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2008/02/second-life-eco.html/comment-page-1#comment-16476</link>
		<dc:creator>Qubius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 01:28:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was a &quot;resident with a positive monthly L$ cash flow&quot; until Linden Labs shut me down and took my money (http://blog.hypercubed.com/archives/2008/02/11/watch-you-virtual-ass-ets/).
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was a &#8220;resident with a positive monthly L$ cash flow&#8221; until Linden Labs shut me down and took my money (<a href="http://blog.hypercubed.com/archives/2008/02/11/watch-you-virtual-ass-ets/" rel="nofollow">http://blog.hypercubed.com/archives/2008/02/11/watch-you-virtual-ass-ets/</a>).</p>
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