In fact, he IS DisPEPsia.

There’s only one guy in the whole group – he’s it. That’s one of the gifts of anonymity – you can make one person look like dozens of people pretty easily. Until somebody unmasked you.

Or you get picked up for something serious, whereupon none of it matters after that. You’re just boned.

Also, lol libfag. BAWWWW PRESIDENT BUSH INVADED SANDKIPS AND BOMBED THEM BACK TO THE STONE AGE AND THEN REBUILT THEIR ENTIRE CITY.

ALL GLORY TO THE GREAT AMERICAN EMPIRE

FUCK YEAH.

Invade them
Lock them up in strange countries with no human rights

Get the nasty buggers out of SL
These nasty punters are taking it too far

If I cannot voice my opinion on AOL or MSN, I’ll do it elsewhere on a non US or non commie server/network.

and as far as I know, SL still has freedom and free speech, it’s only people who no-one wants arond that are booted out (eg, plastic duck, dissability or what is the name again, PN, deadly codec etc etc). Which has little to do with freedom or cencorship, as they’re not really only voicing their opinions but just annoy.

Wanna know LL’s agenda?

MAKE MONEY.

just like every other single company on the face of the planet… DUH.

Also: I see someone above ask out loud if deadly codec is possibly related to these new griefers, then codec denying with force he is, then one of the dissing ant people saying he *is* part of their group… Which is it boys? make up your minds…

or let Prok do it for you LOL

The rest of the world does not emulate China. For better or worse, the world emulates the US (I’m sure I’ll have to duck a few stones on that one). China is not ‘ahead’, its behind. The good news is, that while it still has a long way to go in understanding basic human rights, the nation’s eventual liberation will be at the hands of its growing middle class.

The issue here is ‘control’ and private enterprise. It seems like an easy enough argument to make against ‘them’ as long as that is the only perspective you take. By denying ‘them’ the right to distribute and own their product, and profit from it, you are denying me that right as well. If ‘they’ are not allowed to create and distribute their own product, nothing I create is truly mine as well. Humans, by their very nature, are competitive animals. Hence the need for benchmarks for success like $$ and property. This is also the reason Socialist experiments in the past have always descended into Communist or Fascist nightmares.

Socialism, and even Anarchism, appeal to our ideas of a utopic peaceful world where all men are equal and everything is everyone’s. Unfortunately, the hard truth is that all men are NOT equal, whether or not they were born so. Some work harder than others, some are smarter, some have talents that are more valuable. Do these differences entitle them to more? Maybe they do, I think so. Should they be compelled to help those without the same level of talent, intelligence etc? Well, morality would seem to indicate they should, but by the same rule we can’t force them to do this.

The difference in our opinions here may be based on the fact that you see Government and corporations as having the same agenda, while I see a world where their agenda’s can be quite different. Staging a protest against privatisation in an application owned and created by a private entity isn’t going to get anyone anywhere. To influence thoughts and ideas, you’ll need to build your own and show why it is better.

SL may be small- but its owners have generated myths. The myth, for example, of “your world, your imagination” should have the tag- (not really a world and anything u do will be censored and owned by us).

Personally I have no illusions about sl or ll- but to talk about this development in communication in terms of it not being that important to corporations is just silly. I remember having the same debate with an architect company back in the early 90s about the “new” web. After telling me they didn’t need a web page back then, they now do most of their business and communication over the net.

The web as we have known it- the untameable or the uncensorable web, is now being censored and tamed. And the fact is it is a planned takeover… And we are part of it. Because we are allowing it through not confronting isps and accepting corporate/company “ownership” of our conversations/personal details/creativity.

As a socialist (bad word in America, I know!), I believe in changing the system that allows this privatisation of space and laws within legal systems etc. The enclosure of the land in the west in the past led people to factory slavery and an acceptance of “ownership” rather than shared commonality. The corporations and the govt are doing the same again with the ownership of our communication and knowledge. The corporations cannot be changed from within, one by one. The corporation must be changed from without by lobbying your governments- pushing for change- and not allowing corporations dictate what u say. LL is a small part of this. They have a profit margin. Read more here: http://www.slleftunity.com

Of course, the issue I was raising is against the pervading paranoia that corporate America is getting ready to co-opt the buggy, inefficient product that Second Life is. There’s no reason to believe this will happen. In addition, there’s no reason to believe that LL has some kind of agenda to eliminate the ‘public’ user base that has graced its frontiers since birth.

My issue is not with fighting for freedom of expression on the Internet. My issue is with taking these fights to the doorstep of a private company distributing its ‘product’ to whomever it sees fit.

If a private company wants to restrict or free up access to its products, that is its prerogative.

Its like the old story of why animal-rights activists spend all their time yelling at old ladies in fur coats instead of the biker bar with all the guys in leather. Its easy to fight someone who can’t fight back. LL doesn’t need to, they have no obligation to provide ANYTHING for free. Its their product. I can’t go to your house and paint it myself because I don’t like the color; I CAN, however, donate my time to picking up trash along the interstate or demonstrating against REAL VILLIANS like China.