Comments on: Minnu Model Skins PhotoSourced from Renderosity???

By: Ma

Ma — Mon, 24 Jan 2011 14:09:27 +0000

lol Indeed, that will be interesting. Well I think I know how that will end.. it is like those Eloh Eliot’s skins that many stores have their skins based on them, they can look like ‘Ive aready seen that’ but since the content is free for redistribution, commercial purposes or not and you must modify it before claiming its your work, its ok. Im not sure if these mesh freebies are editable, if they are free for redistribution then you will see the same happening all over the grid. It all depends on the freebie EULAs/Copyright.

By: Yep

Yep — Sat, 22 Jan 2011 19:34:35 +0000

Now there is no money, just linden game tokens. If you upload it into SL LL gains some ownership and changes the original EULA.
That would be hard to explain to a lawyer not to mention suing someone from another country over linden token dollars that we all agreed have no value (according to the TOS update) even though we paid RL money for them.
Now what I am curious to see is what will happen in the future when mesh comes to SL and people upload free content from sites like http://www.heroturko.org/3d/ . (This stuff is amazing and the avatars look realistic.) and begin to flood the malls or the Marketplace with all of this stuff. Suddenly LL has a headache when one person sees another store with the same uploads and screams copybot.
Now LL will have to decide if it is stolen or who has rights to it. Or now if it is copybotted, how can you tell? when you upload mesh it is all at once so checking the prims to see if they all have the same upload time will not tell you anything now. It will all look copybotted.
I cannot wait for mesh to arrive, I think it is going to be quite the show when the witch hunts start.

By: Ma

Ma — Sat, 22 Jan 2011 00:08:39 +0000

Oh well, years after this fact its still something I have doubts. I didnt read all the posts ok, but ‘N. Wunderlich’ was quite logical. Also I agree that, if I was a content cretor for Renderosity, I would hate to see my work being used like that for others. What I REALLY believe is that Minnu’s fault was having CLONNED Danae’s model, exactly how she appears in her Rendo ad. More than just its face and some body skin details, the WHOLE minnu’s avatar was a perfect clone from Danae’s model… Thats actually the worst thing, the ‘crime’. I believe that, once you BOUGHT the skin textures you can use parts of it, mix and match to other models body elements like eyebrows and lips for example, so you would get a different product in the end, so even with what we call as ‘Reverse Engineering’ you wouldnt have ‘copied’ anyone’s work. Am I wrong?
I DO use SL and I’m a content creator there, Im prowd to have handpainted my own skins, but I agree that things/ EULA, policies etc must be clearer between Poser/Daz/V4 material and SL platform as well as using them mixing/matching with other materials. =)

By: Dan

Dan — Mon, 22 Mar 2010 16:22:36 +0000

I can verify 99.99% certain that the skin in question is ripped from Danae’s work and it’s a simple case to convert DAz/Poser textures to the SL compatiable layout and then clean up in Photoshop.

I am sure Minnu is far from being the only one passing on others hard work as her own, infact I think the majority of SL skin creators are using ripped textures and making slight changes to them at best.

Then they whine like brats when some kid copybots their supposed creations, lol thats Karma for you.

If you feel a creator is selling skins made from stolen textures then other than legal action they can also be reported to the IRS or Inland Revenue for tax evasion etc to se if they are above board on that score, thieves probably try to cheat that too.

SL needs to crack down on the skin creators.

By: Venessa

Venessa — Thu, 02 Apr 2009 17:08:44 +0000

being a designer, i can understand not wanting to have your stuff stolen a lot of work goes into it you you ought to get the credit. but for the record a lot of people are making resell packs and theres always the chance the person didnt know. still if your going to steal something steal somethng worth the trouble. those arnt even good.

By: Vryl Valkyrie

Vryl Valkyrie — Mon, 08 Sep 2008 21:00:03 +0000

“Posted by: Penance Sautereau | May 10, 2008 at 11:35 AM

if the “scandal” over Textures R Us’ “content theft” is any indication, what this story is really about is that Danae is opening her own store in SL and needs the publicity to trash the person who has been selling derivatives works of her original work to ensure public attention, traffic, and sales off the bat. Thats all the TRU story was about: someone who got a license from the original texture creator created the theft story to smear the competition.”

First of all Penance, you have NO idea what you are talking about. Your comment is libelous. Lillybeth Filth, owner of TRU textures was upon infringing upon the Intellectual Property of Marlin Studios just as recent as 2 weeks ago. She also infringed upon the IP other artists such as GameBeep, the creator of the Josef Tear textures, DavidG, Half Life 2 textures and other artists.. even people on Flickr whose images were protected by copyright. In the end, the lawyers settled it.

Whoever said that protected works loses its copyright once it has been changed 3 times + is incorrect.

Of course this Renderocity artist should be upset. We should all be upset. The real victim here besides the copyright owner is the consumer. Just because one cannot afford a lawyer does not mean we should say nothing. Fight back with the truth and public awareness.

The real lesson here for all of us, including TRU textures, myself and this case too is to simply respect the copyright of others. I have no doubt that in the early days of Second Life that most people were simply not aware of what Intellectual Property even was. Most people assumed wrongly that is was ok to use images that did not belong to them just as most have assumed the same about videos, music and software.

By: Jan e McColl

Jan e McColl — Thu, 21 Aug 2008 20:35:19 +0000

I have just been is a SL store where the owner has stolen some of my friends T shirt designs and is selling them in her store. She has directly lifted them from a website and hasn’t changed a single thing. I confronted her and she claimed that she had been given the TGA files by that company and the designers, this was untrue… my friend has never even heard of SL and I had to explain to him what it was! Also the company who sells his designs were not aware either. I have sent them screen shots of the items and it turned out that every t shirt she had in her store was stolen from that site. They will now be pursuing this further.
I know it’s on Linden Dollars and SL but it’s just unfair and these scheming talentless little morons should not be allowed to get away with it and SL need to start taking some responsibility.

By: Bemused

Bemused — Fri, 15 Aug 2008 18:17:45 +0000

Wow, don’t Danae’s faces look *exactly* like Julia Roberts–!

By: Sheary Sass

Sheary Sass — Thu, 17 Jul 2008 19:03:19 +0000

What a joke. My understanding of copyright is that if you change at least three things it is not copyright. Take all the home builders that look at others and “modify” the house IE – move a room – they don’t get sued. Like said earlier Lawers aren’t going to touch it.

By: newbie1canobe

newbie1canobe — Mon, 07 Jul 2008 15:18:06 +0000

Have any of you ever sought legal council for copyright infringement,unless she is making big big coin at rend,shes suing no one and has a hard lesson too learn,,

My family owns and operates TVtyre high end custom furniture for the fly tying enthusiasts

our catalog was copied along with our whole line of furniture mind you some patented and all trademarked

the individual even setup a booth at a large trade show in San Francisco blatant out in the open, open and shut case!!!So you think oh any lawyer in the world will take this!!!

lol The lowest retainer fee we could find offered by any lawyer was 45,000 US $

you see if it was a major corp it would have been taken on contingency

you cant sue blood out of a turnip,no one is gonna sue this sl skin designer for free

sue away lol