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	<title>Comments on: Op/Ed: The Biggest Threat No One Is Talking About</title>
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		<title>By: Dr. Internet</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2008/05/oped-the-bigges.html/comment-page-1#comment-13362</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Internet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 18:32:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No one cares as most people are hoping for this.


It&#039;ll definitely put Linden labs in their place.
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<p>It&#8217;ll definitely put Linden labs in their place.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Elchoness</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2008/05/oped-the-bigges.html/comment-page-1#comment-13361</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Elchoness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 16:35:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for commenting on my talk at the VWC conference in New York. The comments thread is a bit hard to follow, but I gather that some of you think I&#039;m off my rocker and have too much time on my hands.  LOL.  Well, that&#039;s ok.  My only point was that in the RL work context, Second Life and other virtual worlds like it are tools.  Just as we do not question whether a customer service person on the phone with someone half way across the world is working, courts will not, in my opinion, have any difficulty ruling that a person sitting at his or her computer &#039;greeting&#039; visitors to a Second Life sim, are also working.  Games are a bit different, but here &#039;greeting&#039; or helping someone else to build a building on their sim is not a game activity, it could constitute real work and be governed by the laws of real life jurisdictions.

Yes, this leads to all sorts of hard to manage scenarios.  For example, the company that hires 50 avatars to do a job in a virtual environment may indeed be subject to all of the obligations of the laws of 50 different countries.

I suggest that the only reason why we question this (when we don&#039;t if we substitute &#039;in a virtual environment&#039; with &#039;on the telephone&#039;) is because of the incredibly rich and immersive nature of virtual worlds.  We are, in a sense, fooled into thinking of the virtual world as a &#039;place&#039; when in fact, for employment purposes currently, they are just a &#039;tool&#039; of the real world.

p.s. it&#039;s Elchoness, not Echloness.  :-)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for commenting on my talk at the VWC conference in New York. The comments thread is a bit hard to follow, but I gather that some of you think I&#8217;m off my rocker and have too much time on my hands.  LOL.  Well, that&#8217;s ok.  My only point was that in the RL work context, Second Life and other virtual worlds like it are tools.  Just as we do not question whether a customer service person on the phone with someone half way across the world is working, courts will not, in my opinion, have any difficulty ruling that a person sitting at his or her computer &#8216;greeting&#8217; visitors to a Second Life sim, are also working.  Games are a bit different, but here &#8216;greeting&#8217; or helping someone else to build a building on their sim is not a game activity, it could constitute real work and be governed by the laws of real life jurisdictions.</p>
<p>Yes, this leads to all sorts of hard to manage scenarios.  For example, the company that hires 50 avatars to do a job in a virtual environment may indeed be subject to all of the obligations of the laws of 50 different countries.</p>
<p>I suggest that the only reason why we question this (when we don&#8217;t if we substitute &#8216;in a virtual environment&#8217; with &#8216;on the telephone&#8217;) is because of the incredibly rich and immersive nature of virtual worlds.  We are, in a sense, fooled into thinking of the virtual world as a &#8216;place&#8217; when in fact, for employment purposes currently, they are just a &#8216;tool&#8217; of the real world.</p>
<p>p.s. it&#8217;s Elchoness, not Echloness.  <img src='http://alphavilleherald.com/site/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Corona</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2008/05/oped-the-bigges.html/comment-page-1#comment-13360</link>
		<dc:creator>Corona</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 10:15:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>but once the avatar starts moving in time with the music, its a film.

well not really

given the nature of animation this is not the case - how often does the dance being performed actually match the  music  being played ?

the  dance  being performed  remains the same regardless of the music
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>but once the avatar starts moving in time with the music, its a film.</p>
<p>well not really</p>
<p>given the nature of animation this is not the case &#8211; how often does the dance being performed actually match the  music  being played ?</p>
<p>the  dance  being performed  remains the same regardless of the music</p>
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		<title>By: Rip</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2008/05/oped-the-bigges.html/comment-page-1#comment-13359</link>
		<dc:creator>Rip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 08:58:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This idea Linden had for the protection of IP right was stupid from the start.

All it has done is put the Linden in a position of being a nanny for whiny artsy fartsy types and not a service provider of game software and technology.

Now with the opensource standard on the horizon this IP issue will be a mute point soon enough though.

The little artsy fartsy things created on Lindens grids will be all over the new 3d web with no Linden Labs nannyism protections at all.

Once the change starts it will happen fast, and the artsy fartsy community whinning now will then be faced with three simple choices.
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1.They can either spend a ton of money trying to protect their so called pixel dust art works in the real world (very expensive compared to what you can get out of it).

2.Quite creating and find another hobby!

3.Or create, sell, make a profit and move on to the next project (the most profitable).
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Thats the real world folks, not one created by a flawed and seriously defective Linden Labs business model!

Yes i agree with Elaine Barthelmess, theres no need to get offensive here Ann!


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This idea Linden had for the protection of IP right was stupid from the start.</p>
<p>All it has done is put the Linden in a position of being a nanny for whiny artsy fartsy types and not a service provider of game software and technology.</p>
<p>Now with the opensource standard on the horizon this IP issue will be a mute point soon enough though.</p>
<p>The little artsy fartsy things created on Lindens grids will be all over the new 3d web with no Linden Labs nannyism protections at all.</p>
<p>Once the change starts it will happen fast, and the artsy fartsy community whinning now will then be faced with three simple choices.<br />
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1.They can either spend a ton of money trying to protect their so called pixel dust art works in the real world (very expensive compared to what you can get out of it).</p>
<p>2.Quite creating and find another hobby!</p>
<p>3.Or create, sell, make a profit and move on to the next project (the most profitable).<br />
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<p>Thats the real world folks, not one created by a flawed and seriously defective Linden Labs business model!</p>
<p>Yes i agree with Elaine Barthelmess, theres no need to get offensive here Ann!</p>
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		<title>By: Jessica Holyoke</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2008/05/oped-the-bigges.html/comment-page-1#comment-13358</link>
		<dc:creator>Jessica Holyoke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 08:23:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>See, now I can comment because Prok did.  *waves hi to Prok*  Mostly so I can say &quot;asked and answered.&quot;  Oh, that and not at all sorry I didn&#039;t say hi.

Yes, on the employment issue, there isn&#039;t an Attorney General known to be looking at enforcing employment law in SL.  (Other than the IRS saying that the CSI:NY greeters are employees and not independant contractors for tax purposes.)  What the Ech

Now on the music side, I&#039;m sure the EMI lawyer who was at the conference looking into this very issue would disagree.  For those following at home, that&#039;s a lawyer with a client stating that the Lindens, and the residents, are just asking for trouble streaming music into the Grid.  And he admitted that if you sit there and listen to music, its ok, but once the avatar starts moving in time with the music, its a film. Even if you don&#039;t record the images, its a film.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See, now I can comment because Prok did.  *waves hi to Prok*  Mostly so I can say &#8220;asked and answered.&#8221;  Oh, that and not at all sorry I didn&#8217;t say hi.</p>
<p>Yes, on the employment issue, there isn&#8217;t an Attorney General known to be looking at enforcing employment law in SL.  (Other than the IRS saying that the CSI:NY greeters are employees and not independant contractors for tax purposes.)  What the Ech</p>
<p>Now on the music side, I&#8217;m sure the EMI lawyer who was at the conference looking into this very issue would disagree.  For those following at home, that&#8217;s a lawyer with a client stating that the Lindens, and the residents, are just asking for trouble streaming music into the Grid.  And he admitted that if you sit there and listen to music, its ok, but once the avatar starts moving in time with the music, its a film. Even if you don&#8217;t record the images, its a film.</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Woebegone</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2008/05/oped-the-bigges.html/comment-page-1#comment-13357</link>
		<dc:creator>Marc Woebegone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 07:29:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is really wornderful news. Linden Labs made AGAIN to follow real world laws. Yes, this is quite quite good.

http://secondlife.typepad.com

MW
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is really wornderful news. Linden Labs made AGAIN to follow real world laws. Yes, this is quite quite good.</p>
<p><a href="http://secondlife.typepad.com" rel="nofollow">http://secondlife.typepad.com</a></p>
<p>MW</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2008/05/oped-the-bigges.html/comment-page-1#comment-13356</link>
		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 02:33:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>earth to SL residents: the world, save for some too-little-sense, too-much-money mega-corporations, doesn&#039;t care about your e-game. that includes lawyers. so stop whining.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>earth to SL residents: the world, save for some too-little-sense, too-much-money mega-corporations, doesn&#8217;t care about your e-game. that includes lawyers. so stop whining.</p>
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		<title>By: Prokofy Neva</title>
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		<dc:creator>Prokofy Neva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 00:18:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I understand that Jessica wanted us to know how cool she was going to this conference, but...did she/he pass the bar in RL?

Ann is often way too harsh for even my lidless eye but this comment is spot on: there is no client here.

No client.

Lawyers who are untethered, who are not serving the real needs of real clients spout a lot of nonsense.

In real-life, sometimes they are called &quot;ambulance chasers&quot; -- looking for victims, trying to drum up victims from anywhere just to have something to litigate.

WHEN there is a client -- when some interested party tries to prosecute something like this somewhere -- THEN one can begin to worry about it.

WHEN there is some actual real copyright to protect and a theft case from one of these ostensibly interested parties THEN we can look at it. SL has been running an awfully long time. Not a single record company or licenser of this sort of content has stepped forward.

SL is like a radio.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand that Jessica wanted us to know how cool she was going to this conference, but&#8230;did she/he pass the bar in RL?</p>
<p>Ann is often way too harsh for even my lidless eye but this comment is spot on: there is no client here.</p>
<p>No client.</p>
<p>Lawyers who are untethered, who are not serving the real needs of real clients spout a lot of nonsense.</p>
<p>In real-life, sometimes they are called &#8220;ambulance chasers&#8221; &#8212; looking for victims, trying to drum up victims from anywhere just to have something to litigate.</p>
<p>WHEN there is a client &#8212; when some interested party tries to prosecute something like this somewhere &#8212; THEN one can begin to worry about it.</p>
<p>WHEN there is some actual real copyright to protect and a theft case from one of these ostensibly interested parties THEN we can look at it. SL has been running an awfully long time. Not a single record company or licenser of this sort of content has stepped forward.</p>
<p>SL is like a radio.</p>
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		<title>By: economic mip</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2008/05/oped-the-bigges.html/comment-page-1#comment-13354</link>
		<dc:creator>economic mip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 00:12:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What people do not understand is that there are really two levels of Second Life employment, there is the &quot;game&quot; level, where people are not making anything close to a real world income, then there is the &quot;Employment Level&quot; which is complete with Real World information, which has applications, emails, conference calls, etc. The few individuals at the Real World level can argue that Second Life is just a program used to do a job, like Word or Excel, and not a workspace.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What people do not understand is that there are really two levels of Second Life employment, there is the &#8220;game&#8221; level, where people are not making anything close to a real world income, then there is the &#8220;Employment Level&#8221; which is complete with Real World information, which has applications, emails, conference calls, etc. The few individuals at the Real World level can argue that Second Life is just a program used to do a job, like Word or Excel, and not a workspace.</p>
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		<title>By: SPACETARD</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2008/05/oped-the-bigges.html/comment-page-1#comment-13353</link>
		<dc:creator>SPACETARD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 22:41:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FURRIES?????????????
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