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	<title>Comments on: SL and POS Laptops from the Recyling Bin</title>
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	<description>Always Fairly Unbalanced</description>
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		<title>By: Storm in a teacup</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2008/05/sl-and-pos-lapt.html/comment-page-1#comment-12998</link>
		<dc:creator>Storm in a teacup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 07:58:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seems a fair assessment, and what other software makers do all the time, excepting the cheapskate comment perhaps. Not everyone has Bill Gates as their Dad.

I&#039;m on a Mac, a G% as opposed to an Intel, so there are certain things I can&#039;t do eg iPhone SDK without getting an Intel Mac. Photoshop was the same, pre G4 and Altivec. even if you upgraded the software, you didn&#039;t benefit from speed unless you got the hardware.

But both PS and SL still run on older equipment, just don&#039;t expect all the bells and whistles. I&#039;m happy not having Windlimp lagging everything to death and distorting lighting thank you very much.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems a fair assessment, and what other software makers do all the time, excepting the cheapskate comment perhaps. Not everyone has Bill Gates as their Dad.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m on a Mac, a G% as opposed to an Intel, so there are certain things I can&#8217;t do eg iPhone SDK without getting an Intel Mac. Photoshop was the same, pre G4 and Altivec. even if you upgraded the software, you didn&#8217;t benefit from speed unless you got the hardware.</p>
<p>But both PS and SL still run on older equipment, just don&#8217;t expect all the bells and whistles. I&#8217;m happy not having Windlimp lagging everything to death and distorting lighting thank you very much.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Internet</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2008/05/sl-and-pos-lapt.html/comment-page-1#comment-12997</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Internet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 03:45:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Ric

LL promotes SL as a lot of things, for a lot of things it cant actually do or handle.

-It isn&#039;t a 3D internet, as the internet is not controlled by one entity. It&#039;d be a true 3d internet if anyone could just download the server software and run their own sims or grids. don&#039;t even start on reverse engineered attempts. They&#039;re nothing more than a proof of concept, much like what SL REALLY is.
-It sucks for education and business collaboration, as what it offers can be mimicked by conferencing software (a bunch of avatars, sitting in a sim, conferring with someone on a video screen, how about just using skype or something else that allows conferencing)
-It sucks for business. Period. There are no real protections on any &quot;products&quot; you make inworld, nor are those products really yours. You also have to rely on the company&#039;s own currency to make money, currency that can change arbitrarily with no checks or balanced.
-It&#039;s only good for advertisement.


It&#039;s basically a proof of concept software that got turned into a golden goose. It was never ready for what it&#039;s doing now. They can spin as much marketing bullshit as they wish, it doesn&#039;t change the fact that it&#039;s run by an incompetent company that fired all their real developers and have people like dave working on it -- and the fact it was never intended to do what its doing now.

The best solution would be for someone to rewrite it all and make it better to scale, with security (encryption, anyone?) and other things that they try to claim it can do.

Application sharing would be great too if they want to tout collaboration.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Ric</p>
<p>LL promotes SL as a lot of things, for a lot of things it cant actually do or handle.</p>
<p>-It isn&#8217;t a 3D internet, as the internet is not controlled by one entity. It&#8217;d be a true 3d internet if anyone could just download the server software and run their own sims or grids. don&#8217;t even start on reverse engineered attempts. They&#8217;re nothing more than a proof of concept, much like what SL REALLY is.<br />
-It sucks for education and business collaboration, as what it offers can be mimicked by conferencing software (a bunch of avatars, sitting in a sim, conferring with someone on a video screen, how about just using skype or something else that allows conferencing)<br />
-It sucks for business. Period. There are no real protections on any &#8220;products&#8221; you make inworld, nor are those products really yours. You also have to rely on the company&#8217;s own currency to make money, currency that can change arbitrarily with no checks or balanced.<br />
-It&#8217;s only good for advertisement.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s basically a proof of concept software that got turned into a golden goose. It was never ready for what it&#8217;s doing now. They can spin as much marketing bullshit as they wish, it doesn&#8217;t change the fact that it&#8217;s run by an incompetent company that fired all their real developers and have people like dave working on it &#8212; and the fact it was never intended to do what its doing now.</p>
<p>The best solution would be for someone to rewrite it all and make it better to scale, with security (encryption, anyone?) and other things that they try to claim it can do.</p>
<p>Application sharing would be great too if they want to tout collaboration.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Internet</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2008/05/sl-and-pos-lapt.html/comment-page-1#comment-12996</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Internet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 03:36:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What anon said.

It&#039;s hilarious that you need such powerful set ups to display graphics that look up to date if it were 2001. Yeah tons of objects and user created content doesnt help, but I&#039;ve seen games that are much much more graphic heavy, and with more objects, not even make a 7 series sigh.


Sounds like someone is trying to keep job security by blaming the end user for their faulty code.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What anon said.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s hilarious that you need such powerful set ups to display graphics that look up to date if it were 2001. Yeah tons of objects and user created content doesnt help, but I&#8217;ve seen games that are much much more graphic heavy, and with more objects, not even make a 7 series sigh.</p>
<p>Sounds like someone is trying to keep job security by blaming the end user for their faulty code.</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2008/05/sl-and-pos-lapt.html/comment-page-1#comment-12995</link>
		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 21:40:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>considering the lindens cant even get N64 level graphics to work on an average PC with dozens of times the graphics processing power i wouldnt get your hopes up
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>considering the lindens cant even get N64 level graphics to work on an average PC with dozens of times the graphics processing power i wouldnt get your hopes up</p>
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		<title>By: Ric Mollor</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2008/05/sl-and-pos-lapt.html/comment-page-1#comment-12994</link>
		<dc:creator>Ric Mollor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 09:47:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Assuming the document was written by Dave Parks one has to wonder who the developers of Second Life consider their target audience.

Though the 8 series GPUs are certainly popular with gamers the percentage of installed PCs with graphics capabilities at that level is very low. Only dedicated gaming PC will have GPUs of that caliber as the requirements for Vista are far lower and the majority of mainstream PCs are lucky to run the Aero interface smoothly.

At one time Linden Lab was promoting SL as the future &#039;3d internet&quot;. They certainly can&#039;t achieve that goal by making their platform inaccessible to the majority of computers.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Assuming the document was written by Dave Parks one has to wonder who the developers of Second Life consider their target audience.</p>
<p>Though the 8 series GPUs are certainly popular with gamers the percentage of installed PCs with graphics capabilities at that level is very low. Only dedicated gaming PC will have GPUs of that caliber as the requirements for Vista are far lower and the majority of mainstream PCs are lucky to run the Aero interface smoothly.</p>
<p>At one time Linden Lab was promoting SL as the future &#8217;3d internet&#8221;. They certainly can&#8217;t achieve that goal by making their platform inaccessible to the majority of computers.</p>
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		<title>By: lol wut</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2008/05/sl-and-pos-lapt.html/comment-page-1#comment-12993</link>
		<dc:creator>lol wut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 08:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, because you can always go straight to the horse&#039;s mouth for a straight/truthful answer.  OH WAIT
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, because you can always go straight to the horse&#8217;s mouth for a straight/truthful answer.  OH WAIT</p>
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		<title>By: Sargeant Lane</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2008/05/sl-and-pos-lapt.html/comment-page-1#comment-12992</link>
		<dc:creator>Sargeant Lane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 20:33:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Would it have been a terrible BURDEN for the Herald to simply ASK him if it was authentic before printing it? Yes, I realize that it probably is authentic, but one would THINK that a &quot;journalist&quot; might ASK a supposed source if they actually said it.

In any event, this has been going on for years. I can&#039;t tell you how many times my card has gone from the recommended list &gt; minimum requirements list &gt; not supported list. Which means at times, I couldn&#039;t have all the candy until I upgraded again.

Nothing new under the sun.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would it have been a terrible BURDEN for the Herald to simply ASK him if it was authentic before printing it? Yes, I realize that it probably is authentic, but one would THINK that a &#8220;journalist&#8221; might ASK a supposed source if they actually said it.</p>
<p>In any event, this has been going on for years. I can&#8217;t tell you how many times my card has gone from the recommended list > minimum requirements list > not supported list. Which means at times, I couldn&#8217;t have all the candy until I upgraded again.</p>
<p>Nothing new under the sun.</p>
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		<title>By: Nicholaz Beresford</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nicholaz Beresford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 04:51:25 +0000</pubDate>
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It&#039;s not a fake and he probably didn&#039;t just have a bad day (unless all his days are bad days).

Click this link (the developer mailing list archive) and search for posts by Dave Parks (his later ones are worth reading too to get an idea of his mindset):
https://lists.secondlife.com/pipermail/sldev/2008-May/date.html

I guess the old article about Dav3 P4rks being hired was pretty much on spot, saying &quot;... a mutant undergrad computer graphics d000d&quot;.


Besides that, I&#039;d tend to agree with the guy about making über-features available to über-hardware only, but with the Linden tendency to break something existing whenever adding something new, it&#039;s no wonder people won&#039;t like that.

And with the Geforce 8xxx cards, as someone on the SL dev list correctly pointed out, the G7 cards over the last year were still the most sensible purchase (sufficiently matured without teething pains) while the G8 had their own range of problems with SL.




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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not a fake and he probably didn&#8217;t just have a bad day (unless all his days are bad days).</p>
<p>Click this link (the developer mailing list archive) and search for posts by Dave Parks (his later ones are worth reading too to get an idea of his mindset):<br />
<a href="https://lists.secondlife.com/pipermail/sldev/2008-May/date.html" rel="nofollow">https://lists.secondlife.com/pipermail/sldev/2008-May/date.html</a></p>
<p>I guess the old article about Dav3 P4rks being hired was pretty much on spot, saying &#8220;&#8230; a mutant undergrad computer graphics d000d&#8221;.</p>
<p>Besides that, I&#8217;d tend to agree with the guy about making über-features available to über-hardware only, but with the Linden tendency to break something existing whenever adding something new, it&#8217;s no wonder people won&#8217;t like that.</p>
<p>And with the Geforce 8xxx cards, as someone on the SL dev list correctly pointed out, the G7 cards over the last year were still the most sensible purchase (sufficiently matured without teething pains) while the G8 had their own range of problems with SL.</p>
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		<title>By: Angel</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2008/05/sl-and-pos-lapt.html/comment-page-1#comment-12990</link>
		<dc:creator>Angel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 01:38:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In fact DaveP Linden was talking about his new &quot;experimental&quot; client that has shadows in it, a code sample that is for his work and that was made available to the SL Dev team.

People on SLDev who checkout a CVS version of experimental code should not be complaining it doesn&#039;t run on their Trident card.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In fact DaveP Linden was talking about his new &#8220;experimental&#8221; client that has shadows in it, a code sample that is for his work and that was made available to the SL Dev team.</p>
<p>People on SLDev who checkout a CVS version of experimental code should not be complaining it doesn&#8217;t run on their Trident card.</p>
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