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		<title>By: Ti Dinzeo</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2008/06/sl5b-censors-ar.html/comment-page-1#comment-12425</link>
		<dc:creator>Ti Dinzeo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 17:13:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good point, well made GreenLantern.  Just goes to show that we should all actually read the EULA&#039;s and ToS&#039;s when we enter these worlds.  Alas most, including myself, just assume we know what it says and click accept.

Whilst I don&#039;t agree with what they would rate as &#039;mature&#039; I did agree to abide by their rules and definitions when I first entered Second Life.  And much as I would like to be able to say otherwise, the content in question did in fact breach the clause you listed.

Ti Dinzeo.  (Bastet to those who know of me but don&#039;t know me)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point, well made GreenLantern.  Just goes to show that we should all actually read the EULA&#8217;s and ToS&#8217;s when we enter these worlds.  Alas most, including myself, just assume we know what it says and click accept.</p>
<p>Whilst I don&#8217;t agree with what they would rate as &#8216;mature&#8217; I did agree to abide by their rules and definitions when I first entered Second Life.  And much as I would like to be able to say otherwise, the content in question did in fact breach the clause you listed.</p>
<p>Ti Dinzeo.  (Bastet to those who know of me but don&#8217;t know me)</p>
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		<title>By: Witness X</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2008/06/sl5b-censors-ar.html/comment-page-1#comment-12424</link>
		<dc:creator>Witness X</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 14:32:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, you&#039;d be the expert in that, wouldn&#039;t you Lantern?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, you&#8217;d be the expert in that, wouldn&#8217;t you Lantern?</p>
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		<title>By: GreenLantern Excelsior</title>
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		<dc:creator>GreenLantern Excelsior</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 06:32:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The great Aphrodite by Phideas
Once shocked the ultra-fastidious,
And all the old aunties
Swore she must wear panties,
Which made her look utterly hideous.

So Linden Lab said &quot;Come and display your art.&quot;
And the artist plonked down a nude female form.
In a PG sim.
And then got all indignant when LL pointed out that the content didn&#039;t match the rating.

We all acknowledged that we understood and would abide by the Terms of Service and the Community Standards when we signed up for Second Life. Maybe a little refresher training is in order:

&quot;Community Standards
5. Indecency
Second Life is an adult community, but Mature material is not necessarily appropriate in all areas (see Global Standards below). Content, communication, or behavior which involves intense language or expletives, nudity or sexual content, the depiction of sex or violence, or anything else broadly offensive must be contained within private land in areas rated Mature (M). Names of Residents, objects, places and groups are broadly viewable in Second Life directories and on the Second Life website, and must adhere to PG guidelines.&quot;

&quot;Policies and Policing
Global Standards, Local Ratings
All areas of Second Life, including the www.secondlife.com website and the Second Life Forums, adhere to the same Community Standards. Locations within Second Life are noted as Safe or Unsafe and rated Mature (M) or non-Mature (PG), and behavior must conform to the local ratings. Any unrated area of Second Life or the Second Life website should be considered non-Mature (PG).&quot;

We all know what this means, and when a Second Life resident violates the CS and then claims censorship and prudishness, that is unreasonable. He knew the rules when he walked into the place, and he disregarded them, and then he whined when they were enforced. The mention of machine guns is an attempt to divert the discussion. I&#039;ll bet if he had been attacked with a machine gun in a non-combat sim, he would have been one of the first to wrap himself in the CS and write an Abuse Report. But it&#039;s okay to disregard the rules when it suits his purpose.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The great Aphrodite by Phideas<br />
Once shocked the ultra-fastidious,<br />
And all the old aunties<br />
Swore she must wear panties,<br />
Which made her look utterly hideous.</p>
<p>So Linden Lab said &#8220;Come and display your art.&#8221;<br />
And the artist plonked down a nude female form.<br />
In a PG sim.<br />
And then got all indignant when LL pointed out that the content didn&#8217;t match the rating.</p>
<p>We all acknowledged that we understood and would abide by the Terms of Service and the Community Standards when we signed up for Second Life. Maybe a little refresher training is in order:</p>
<p>&#8220;Community Standards<br />
5. Indecency<br />
Second Life is an adult community, but Mature material is not necessarily appropriate in all areas (see Global Standards below). Content, communication, or behavior which involves intense language or expletives, nudity or sexual content, the depiction of sex or violence, or anything else broadly offensive must be contained within private land in areas rated Mature (M). Names of Residents, objects, places and groups are broadly viewable in Second Life directories and on the Second Life website, and must adhere to PG guidelines.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Policies and Policing<br />
Global Standards, Local Ratings<br />
All areas of Second Life, including the <a href="http://www.secondlife.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.secondlife.com</a> website and the Second Life Forums, adhere to the same Community Standards. Locations within Second Life are noted as Safe or Unsafe and rated Mature (M) or non-Mature (PG), and behavior must conform to the local ratings. Any unrated area of Second Life or the Second Life website should be considered non-Mature (PG).&#8221;</p>
<p>We all know what this means, and when a Second Life resident violates the CS and then claims censorship and prudishness, that is unreasonable. He knew the rules when he walked into the place, and he disregarded them, and then he whined when they were enforced. The mention of machine guns is an attempt to divert the discussion. I&#8217;ll bet if he had been attacked with a machine gun in a non-combat sim, he would have been one of the first to wrap himself in the CS and write an Abuse Report. But it&#8217;s okay to disregard the rules when it suits his purpose.</p>
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		<title>By: 2cents</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2008/06/sl5b-censors-ar.html/comment-page-1#comment-12422</link>
		<dc:creator>2cents</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 02:50:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heh, funny. I had always thought the Venus was by Da Vinchi. I stand corrected.

My point still stands, tho.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heh, funny. I had always thought the Venus was by Da Vinchi. I stand corrected.</p>
<p>My point still stands, tho.</p>
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		<title>By: Melissa Yeuxdoux</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2008/06/sl5b-censors-ar.html/comment-page-1#comment-12421</link>
		<dc:creator>Melissa Yeuxdoux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 20:13:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, you know, Kat... da Vinci&#039;s Venus de Milo, modeled after Praxiteles&#039;s Mona Lisa.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, you know, Kat&#8230; da Vinci&#8217;s Venus de Milo, modeled after Praxiteles&#8217;s Mona Lisa.</p>
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		<title>By: Cat Whitman</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2008/06/sl5b-censors-ar.html/comment-page-1#comment-12420</link>
		<dc:creator>Cat Whitman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 10:46:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt; &quot;Da Vinchi&#039;s [sic] Venus de Milo&quot;


Da Vinci&#039;s WHAT??

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venus_de_Milo

ROTFLMAO
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>>> &#8220;Da Vinchi&#8217;s [sic] Venus de Milo&#8221;</p>
<p>Da Vinci&#8217;s WHAT??</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venus_de_Milo" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venus_de_Milo</a></p>
<p>ROTFLMAO</p>
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		<title>By: Angel</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2008/06/sl5b-censors-ar.html/comment-page-1#comment-12419</link>
		<dc:creator>Angel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 06:30:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Everyone seems to miss the point that Male nipples are banned too. You *must* wear a shirt, no bare chests.

Not PG, not even as low as G (Junglebook has male nipples and it&#039;s G rated), this is just weird.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everyone seems to miss the point that Male nipples are banned too. You *must* wear a shirt, no bare chests.</p>
<p>Not PG, not even as low as G (Junglebook has male nipples and it&#8217;s G rated), this is just weird.</p>
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		<title>By: Corona Anatine</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2008/06/sl5b-censors-ar.html/comment-page-1#comment-12418</link>
		<dc:creator>Corona Anatine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 05:19:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two main things stick out

nicely put  Jessica
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two main things stick out</p>
<p>nicely put  Jessica</p>
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		<title>By: Jessica Holyoke</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2008/06/sl5b-censors-ar.html/comment-page-1#comment-12417</link>
		<dc:creator>Jessica Holyoke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 21:45:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two main things stick out

One is the return of the Censor&#039;s Argument.  It is not that they are banning speech or saying if you are approved for something you must change what you produced.  Rather, it is that you have the opportunity to speak somewhere else, on someone else&#039;s dime, without realizing that the closest thing residents have to a government is passing judgment on speech here.  That begs the question, which speech will they pass judgment on next?

Two is the concept of the tightest control. In many countries, it is not unusual to see actual, physical bare breasted women, including in the West.  In New York State, at least at one point, it was legal for a woman to walk the street bare breasted.  But because the US believes that nipples *must* be covered, residents around the world must follow this rule as well in order to be considered PG.

(Two more points: Point one is the Naked Rule, the person you least want to see naked is the one most likely to be naked.  Point two is how fast do you think it will be before someone mentions US servers, US laws when that same person stated European Residents, European Laws.)



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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two main things stick out</p>
<p>One is the return of the Censor&#8217;s Argument.  It is not that they are banning speech or saying if you are approved for something you must change what you produced.  Rather, it is that you have the opportunity to speak somewhere else, on someone else&#8217;s dime, without realizing that the closest thing residents have to a government is passing judgment on speech here.  That begs the question, which speech will they pass judgment on next?</p>
<p>Two is the concept of the tightest control. In many countries, it is not unusual to see actual, physical bare breasted women, including in the West.  In New York State, at least at one point, it was legal for a woman to walk the street bare breasted.  But because the US believes that nipples *must* be covered, residents around the world must follow this rule as well in order to be considered PG.</p>
<p>(Two more points: Point one is the Naked Rule, the person you least want to see naked is the one most likely to be naked.  Point two is how fast do you think it will be before someone mentions US servers, US laws when that same person stated European Residents, European Laws.)</p>
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		<title>By: Geoners</title>
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		<dc:creator>Geoners</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 18:15:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damn guys my statue with boobs on it got veto&#039;d. It now has a meaning maaan. IT&#039;S ART MAAAAAN.

Just because it has meaning now doesn&#039;t mean it had any meaning at all to begin with. it&#039;s still an incredibly dull wooden still life caricature, with generic handling of imagination. (Or the lack thereof. Just how many times have we seen that particular pose in magazine ads? Or perhaps in other stuff where it&#039;s specifically done to have sexuality sell a product?) Fact is, what&#039;s the point here? It&#039;s not worth any merit to whine and then claim wolf about attacking &#039;art&#039;, when in reality it was distinctly made in the usual genericness of every other statue of a human form.

You wanna bitch about art? Go make something that is unique and important to you. Put your heart in it. Then, deal with the issue of people telling you to get rid of it from all angles because it&#039;s not in their little box of what normalcy is. There&#039;s what REAL pain of the artists and visionaries is like.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damn guys my statue with boobs on it got veto&#8217;d. It now has a meaning maaan. IT&#8217;S ART MAAAAAN.</p>
<p>Just because it has meaning now doesn&#8217;t mean it had any meaning at all to begin with. it&#8217;s still an incredibly dull wooden still life caricature, with generic handling of imagination. (Or the lack thereof. Just how many times have we seen that particular pose in magazine ads? Or perhaps in other stuff where it&#8217;s specifically done to have sexuality sell a product?) Fact is, what&#8217;s the point here? It&#8217;s not worth any merit to whine and then claim wolf about attacking &#8216;art&#8217;, when in reality it was distinctly made in the usual genericness of every other statue of a human form.</p>
<p>You wanna bitch about art? Go make something that is unique and important to you. Put your heart in it. Then, deal with the issue of people telling you to get rid of it from all angles because it&#8217;s not in their little box of what normalcy is. There&#8217;s what REAL pain of the artists and visionaries is like.</p>
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