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		<title>By: clarkey123 aabye</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2008/07/elite-armed-for.html/comment-page-1#comment-59168</link>
		<dc:creator>clarkey123 aabye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 May 2010 03:26:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was in EAF i was actually in the background when we had the security around brian, the thing is we didnt know where he was getting weapons from i was the one who had to script the planes the way brian wanted them and id never get credit for them.. yes brian sold them saying he was going to make alot of money but i told anthony and lurdan that brian had been trying to sell weapons the reporter has the right story later after this article was written br1an razer escaped secondlife....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was in EAF i was actually in the background when we had the security around brian, the thing is we didnt know where he was getting weapons from i was the one who had to script the planes the way brian wanted them and id never get credit for them.. yes brian sold them saying he was going to make alot of money but i told anthony and lurdan that brian had been trying to sell weapons the reporter has the right story later after this article was written br1an razer escaped secondlife&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Salone Runo</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2008/07/elite-armed-for.html/comment-page-1#comment-11847</link>
		<dc:creator>Salone Runo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 04:13:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Couple observations here firstly Vanguard have been banned by nearly every civil group on the grid so EAF TFM if you much now rely on a criminal greifing force to protect you enjoy dieing slowly also EAF 70 members is not accurate if you look at there numbers a little closer you&#039;ll see the likes of bennyboy ball and other prominent members of other sl military I suspect instead there active members is probably closer to 30.&quot;



Maybe I&#039;m just not thinking correctly now..  Nah..  Gotta be me..  Cause you said that Vanguard are criminals and banned by every &quot;civil group&quot;.  Vanguard has a &quot;blockade&quot; with Merczateers..  And Ordo.

I have personally not found/have been told a reason of why they have done this.  Since I, being a long time member of VG haven&#039;t seen a single weapon/explosive/vehicle unfair to military standards..  I see drones..  Phantoms..  Fucking everything from these other armies.  And from Vanguard we are called &quot;griefers?&quot;  If you are such a great spy..  Infiltrate VG..  Its pretty funny the laugh we get when spies are infact found..  And we don&#039;t give a fuck.



Nothing to hide in Verklund.



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Now I was at EAFs base defending during the..  &quot;revenge raid by mercz&quot;  they left in under an hour and were sourly ass fucked to put it in the best words.  I went back to Supox laughing on how one of the top militaries on the grid was taken down by around 3 VG..  And EAF.


Have fun with your fucked up imaginations about Vanguard..  But if you want some truth.

Fill out an application.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Couple observations here firstly Vanguard have been banned by nearly every civil group on the grid so EAF TFM if you much now rely on a criminal greifing force to protect you enjoy dieing slowly also EAF 70 members is not accurate if you look at there numbers a little closer you&#8217;ll see the likes of bennyboy ball and other prominent members of other sl military I suspect instead there active members is probably closer to 30.&#8221;</p>
<p>Maybe I&#8217;m just not thinking correctly now..  Nah..  Gotta be me..  Cause you said that Vanguard are criminals and banned by every &#8220;civil group&#8221;.  Vanguard has a &#8220;blockade&#8221; with Merczateers..  And Ordo.</p>
<p>I have personally not found/have been told a reason of why they have done this.  Since I, being a long time member of VG haven&#8217;t seen a single weapon/explosive/vehicle unfair to military standards..  I see drones..  Phantoms..  Fucking everything from these other armies.  And from Vanguard we are called &#8220;griefers?&#8221;  If you are such a great spy..  Infiltrate VG..  Its pretty funny the laugh we get when spies are infact found..  And we don&#8217;t give a fuck.</p>
<p>Nothing to hide in Verklund.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;</p>
<p>Now I was at EAFs base defending during the..  &#8220;revenge raid by mercz&#8221;  they left in under an hour and were sourly ass fucked to put it in the best words.  I went back to Supox laughing on how one of the top militaries on the grid was taken down by around 3 VG..  And EAF.</p>
<p>Have fun with your fucked up imaginations about Vanguard..  But if you want some truth.</p>
<p>Fill out an application.</p>
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		<title>By: Zrazor Rozenstrauch</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2008/07/elite-armed-for.html/comment-page-1#comment-11846</link>
		<dc:creator>Zrazor Rozenstrauch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 00:30:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would just like to take this opportunity to say that I love each and every single person who has ever left a comment in an article pertaining to SL Military politics and/or drama.

Thank you all so much.  Without your long-winded and grandiose expressions of how much you hate each other&#039;s group tags, the Milfag scene would not be nearly as entertaining for me as it is.

Special thanks go out to Caine for writing such stellar material.  Keep up the excellent work!

ILU GUIS &lt;3
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would just like to take this opportunity to say that I love each and every single person who has ever left a comment in an article pertaining to SL Military politics and/or drama.</p>
<p>Thank you all so much.  Without your long-winded and grandiose expressions of how much you hate each other&#8217;s group tags, the Milfag scene would not be nearly as entertaining for me as it is.</p>
<p>Special thanks go out to Caine for writing such stellar material.  Keep up the excellent work!</p>
<p>ILU GUIS &lt;3</p>
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		<title>By: R. Lee Squirmy</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2008/07/elite-armed-for.html/comment-page-1#comment-11845</link>
		<dc:creator>R. Lee Squirmy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 23:39:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>THAT GOES FOR TRIPLANES TOO, FOKKERS!

The Gunny
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>THAT GOES FOR TRIPLANES TOO, FOKKERS!</p>
<p>The Gunny</p>
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		<title>By: R. Lee Squirmy</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2008/07/elite-armed-for.html/comment-page-1#comment-11844</link>
		<dc:creator>R. Lee Squirmy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 23:36:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I SINCERELY DOUBT THAT ANY BIPLANE COULD GET AIRBORNE WITH THAT MASSIVE SACK OF AFTERBIRTH RIDING IN IT!

AT EASE SOLDIER!

The Gunny
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I SINCERELY DOUBT THAT ANY BIPLANE COULD GET AIRBORNE WITH THAT MASSIVE SACK OF AFTERBIRTH RIDING IN IT!</p>
<p>AT EASE SOLDIER!</p>
<p>The Gunny</p>
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		<title>By: General Drama</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2008/07/elite-armed-for.html/comment-page-1#comment-11843</link>
		<dc:creator>General Drama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 21:53:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yawn,
The only military group larger than 500 isn&#039;t really an SL combat group, they are an RP combat system group of teens, playing Star Wars RP (Grand Army of the Republic). The largest real SL combat (I.E. Linden Damage) groups in SL are Mercz, Ordo, and Vanguard (half of VGs members are alts of other groups keeping tabs on the griefing).

R Lee Squirmy,
Int&#039;s not a private, he&#039;s the Red Land Baron....
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yawn,<br />
The only military group larger than 500 isn&#8217;t really an SL combat group, they are an RP combat system group of teens, playing Star Wars RP (Grand Army of the Republic). The largest real SL combat (I.E. Linden Damage) groups in SL are Mercz, Ordo, and Vanguard (half of VGs members are alts of other groups keeping tabs on the griefing).</p>
<p>R Lee Squirmy,<br />
Int&#8217;s not a private, he&#8217;s the Red Land Baron&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: R. Lee Squirmy</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2008/07/elite-armed-for.html/comment-page-1#comment-11842</link>
		<dc:creator>R. Lee Squirmy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 21:12:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LISTEN UP MAGGOTS!

YOU&#039;RE ALL RETARD SHITSTAIN NERDS!

KILL YOURSELVES NOW!

DO YOU HEAR ME PRIVATE INTLIBBER PYLE?

The Gunny
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LISTEN UP MAGGOTS!</p>
<p>YOU&#8217;RE ALL RETARD SHITSTAIN NERDS!</p>
<p>KILL YOURSELVES NOW!</p>
<p>DO YOU HEAR ME PRIVATE INTLIBBER PYLE?</p>
<p>The Gunny</p>
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		<title>By: yawn</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2008/07/elite-armed-for.html/comment-page-1#comment-11841</link>
		<dc:creator>yawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 20:06:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are TONS of groups larger than 500.  Like i suspected, you twirps are playing guns in a game that really doesn&#039;t support it.  You all are funny and gay.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are TONS of groups larger than 500.  Like i suspected, you twirps are playing guns in a game that really doesn&#8217;t support it.  You all are funny and gay.</p>
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		<title>By: IntLibber Brautigan</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2008/07/elite-armed-for.html/comment-page-1#comment-11840</link>
		<dc:creator>IntLibber Brautigan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 17:03:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jason Backer,
One of the main problems in the SL military community that contributes to the vicious cycle of drama is the hostile and toxic way that AN treats everybody, the way they manipulate treaties they write for their own personal advantage rather than to benefit the community as a whole (SLSALT and STABLE are identical in this fashion), and the constitutional incapacity of AN&#039;s admirals to have a civil conversation with the Ordo leadership. Its not that hard, Aryte&#039;s a nice guy, easy to talk with. I know Jim seems like a nice guy too, I dont see the problem with opening dialog between the two groups. Grow up and get it done.

As for the specific problem of equipment leaking/theft, thats the toxic influence of Christoph Naumova. His people (Lance LeFay specifically, among other members) have been operating under Christophs orders for some time to try to hack the vendors of Operations to try to undermine the economic base of Mercz, to copybot their equipment. All this evil has Christoph at its root. If you were to ask me who were the three most evil people in SL, two would be Christoph (none are in AN, tho a few members seem determined to make the list).
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason Backer,<br />
One of the main problems in the SL military community that contributes to the vicious cycle of drama is the hostile and toxic way that AN treats everybody, the way they manipulate treaties they write for their own personal advantage rather than to benefit the community as a whole (SLSALT and STABLE are identical in this fashion), and the constitutional incapacity of AN&#8217;s admirals to have a civil conversation with the Ordo leadership. Its not that hard, Aryte&#8217;s a nice guy, easy to talk with. I know Jim seems like a nice guy too, I dont see the problem with opening dialog between the two groups. Grow up and get it done.</p>
<p>As for the specific problem of equipment leaking/theft, thats the toxic influence of Christoph Naumova. His people (Lance LeFay specifically, among other members) have been operating under Christophs orders for some time to try to hack the vendors of Operations to try to undermine the economic base of Mercz, to copybot their equipment. All this evil has Christoph at its root. If you were to ask me who were the three most evil people in SL, two would be Christoph (none are in AN, tho a few members seem determined to make the list).</p>
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		<title>By: Ethan Schuman</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2008/07/elite-armed-for.html/comment-page-1#comment-11839</link>
		<dc:creator>Ethan Schuman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 15:48:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To your first point, Vegna, my dislike for Nanao has nothing to do with the SL military scene. I won&#039;t waste your time with our history or why I think that son of a bitch needs to take a bath with a half dozen toasters, but I -DO- want to make it ABSOLUTELY CLEAR that my opinion of Nanao does not reflect or influence my opinions of the Alliance Navy. While in fact there are some things about the Alliance Navy that I do not agree with, that is due to a difference in ideologies, not dislike of their members as people. If you&#039;ve ever talked to him over voice, Jim is a pretty funny guy, and easy to get along with. While I disagree with certain parts of his leadership method, I don&#039;t think he&#039;s a bad dude by any stretch of the imagination.

Now, on to why STABLE, and other documents like it, are flawed and will never work. Before I stopped associating myself with the Merczateers, we were well on our way to creating an entire new division that isn&#039;t even remotely touched upon by STABLE. The shitstorm behind the attachment Uriel was the perfect example of why STABLE doesn&#039;t work. Someone came up with a new concept, a new type of weapon, and it took two weeks for the AN (yes, the AN. Not the STABLE signatories, just the AN) to convene and discuss the concept. That was one new system. ONE. And that system had the bonus of being EXTREMELY beneficial to all parties involved because of the low amount of lag it produced. How are the members of the Ascendant Initiative going to react when they see Iron Symphony&#039;s new battle fleets, Infantry 2.0, land vehicles, and the dozens of other new weapons and ideas we&#039;ll be bringing to the front?

The Alliance Navy earned their name and claim to fame by coming up with new, radical concepts and ways to engage in combat. For a long time, the AN was the only military with airpower, as well as a respectable naval group. They pioneered those ideas. Had we had something like STABLE around back then, the AN&#039;s progress and creativity would have been greatly hampered. STABLE not only tries to regulate tactics, but it tries to regulate that which cannot be restricted, and that is the human imagination. The flexibility of Iron Symphony makes its strongest showing here. When a radical new technology hits the field, it takes all of two minutes for the commanders of each group to say, &quot;This is what we have. This is what it does,&quot; and &quot;Alright. We&#039;d like it if you didn&#039;t use it this way, for this reason.&quot; There&#039;s no formal conferences or conventions and four hour debates about how it should reload. It&#039;s a quick, verbal agreement based on respect and communications between the groups. Not only that, but it avoids the hypocrisy of STABLE, which while SUPPOSEDLY being founded as an agreement between a group of militaries, is pretty much run, maintained, and altered unilaterally by the Alliance Navy.

Instead of allowing one group (a group that is out of touch with the combat community and is desperately struggling to preserve their last shreds of importance) to decide and regulate in concrete terms how we as a whole engage one another, we should have the maturity and sense of responsibility to ourselves and our members to speak to other commanders and deal with things as human beings playing a game instead of lawyers.

&quot;Here&#039;s why. I&#039;m new to combat, I join a new military, new military has no idea how to conduct itself, very confused, subsequently gets banned from most military military sims, someone hands leader STABLE (IM: you&#039;re doing it wrong) leader reads STABLE, &quot;oh so thats how to fight in Second life&quot;, everyone smiles, group prospers, the end.&quot;

That right there is more proof of my point. If instead of trying to rely upon rules and regulations, we focused on sportsmanlike conduct and respect, there wouldn&#039;t BE ban lines. There wouldn&#039;t BE concrete regulation of weapons. There wouldn&#039;t BE drama. A new group could rise up and immediately get into the fray, without worrying whether they were STABLE/IS compliant. And most importantly, there wouldn&#039;t be groups that are founded upon and thrive on the strife between the groups. We all know who I&#039;m talking about.


My last point is directly to your remark about Ordo being serious bsns. Well of course they are. Having been a part of the original foundation, I can tell you from firsthand experience that the people that became Ordo, as well as their leader, were forged in the fires of hatred, arrogance, and disrespect of the Alliance Navy. Many members of Ordo still remember quite clearly how members of the AN (who are still around today) treated us in our early days, and that&#039;s something that&#039;s not easy to forgive or forget without a mutually established dialog that does not involve a covert objective of ego stroking. The Alliance Navy only has themselves to thank for the current state of Ordo, and only when they are ready to talk like men will they be able to change it.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To your first point, Vegna, my dislike for Nanao has nothing to do with the SL military scene. I won&#8217;t waste your time with our history or why I think that son of a bitch needs to take a bath with a half dozen toasters, but I -DO- want to make it ABSOLUTELY CLEAR that my opinion of Nanao does not reflect or influence my opinions of the Alliance Navy. While in fact there are some things about the Alliance Navy that I do not agree with, that is due to a difference in ideologies, not dislike of their members as people. If you&#8217;ve ever talked to him over voice, Jim is a pretty funny guy, and easy to get along with. While I disagree with certain parts of his leadership method, I don&#8217;t think he&#8217;s a bad dude by any stretch of the imagination.</p>
<p>Now, on to why STABLE, and other documents like it, are flawed and will never work. Before I stopped associating myself with the Merczateers, we were well on our way to creating an entire new division that isn&#8217;t even remotely touched upon by STABLE. The shitstorm behind the attachment Uriel was the perfect example of why STABLE doesn&#8217;t work. Someone came up with a new concept, a new type of weapon, and it took two weeks for the AN (yes, the AN. Not the STABLE signatories, just the AN) to convene and discuss the concept. That was one new system. ONE. And that system had the bonus of being EXTREMELY beneficial to all parties involved because of the low amount of lag it produced. How are the members of the Ascendant Initiative going to react when they see Iron Symphony&#8217;s new battle fleets, Infantry 2.0, land vehicles, and the dozens of other new weapons and ideas we&#8217;ll be bringing to the front?</p>
<p>The Alliance Navy earned their name and claim to fame by coming up with new, radical concepts and ways to engage in combat. For a long time, the AN was the only military with airpower, as well as a respectable naval group. They pioneered those ideas. Had we had something like STABLE around back then, the AN&#8217;s progress and creativity would have been greatly hampered. STABLE not only tries to regulate tactics, but it tries to regulate that which cannot be restricted, and that is the human imagination. The flexibility of Iron Symphony makes its strongest showing here. When a radical new technology hits the field, it takes all of two minutes for the commanders of each group to say, &#8220;This is what we have. This is what it does,&#8221; and &#8220;Alright. We&#8217;d like it if you didn&#8217;t use it this way, for this reason.&#8221; There&#8217;s no formal conferences or conventions and four hour debates about how it should reload. It&#8217;s a quick, verbal agreement based on respect and communications between the groups. Not only that, but it avoids the hypocrisy of STABLE, which while SUPPOSEDLY being founded as an agreement between a group of militaries, is pretty much run, maintained, and altered unilaterally by the Alliance Navy.</p>
<p>Instead of allowing one group (a group that is out of touch with the combat community and is desperately struggling to preserve their last shreds of importance) to decide and regulate in concrete terms how we as a whole engage one another, we should have the maturity and sense of responsibility to ourselves and our members to speak to other commanders and deal with things as human beings playing a game instead of lawyers.</p>
<p>&#8220;Here&#8217;s why. I&#8217;m new to combat, I join a new military, new military has no idea how to conduct itself, very confused, subsequently gets banned from most military military sims, someone hands leader STABLE (IM: you&#8217;re doing it wrong) leader reads STABLE, &#8220;oh so thats how to fight in Second life&#8221;, everyone smiles, group prospers, the end.&#8221;</p>
<p>That right there is more proof of my point. If instead of trying to rely upon rules and regulations, we focused on sportsmanlike conduct and respect, there wouldn&#8217;t BE ban lines. There wouldn&#8217;t BE concrete regulation of weapons. There wouldn&#8217;t BE drama. A new group could rise up and immediately get into the fray, without worrying whether they were STABLE/IS compliant. And most importantly, there wouldn&#8217;t be groups that are founded upon and thrive on the strife between the groups. We all know who I&#8217;m talking about.</p>
<p>My last point is directly to your remark about Ordo being serious bsns. Well of course they are. Having been a part of the original foundation, I can tell you from firsthand experience that the people that became Ordo, as well as their leader, were forged in the fires of hatred, arrogance, and disrespect of the Alliance Navy. Many members of Ordo still remember quite clearly how members of the AN (who are still around today) treated us in our early days, and that&#8217;s something that&#8217;s not easy to forgive or forget without a mutually established dialog that does not involve a covert objective of ego stroking. The Alliance Navy only has themselves to thank for the current state of Ordo, and only when they are ready to talk like men will they be able to change it.</p>
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