Comments on: Microsoft’s Mundie: Photosynthetic World OK, User-Created — No Way! http://alphavilleherald.com/2008/09/microsofts-mund.html Always Fairly Unbalanced Tue, 04 Oct 2016 13:18:56 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1 By: Bennie http://alphavilleherald.com/2008/09/microsofts-mund.html/comment-page-1#comment-9541 Bennie Mon, 13 Oct 2008 11:42:17 +0000 http://localhost/wp_2/?p=547#comment-9541 "I stopped reading when it claimed that fur had charms." I'd be able to write a whole essay on this, but... I'll give just one example. Animals. Disney. ??? HUEG profit! “I stopped reading when it claimed that fur had charms.”

I’d be able to write a whole essay on this, but…

I’ll give just one example.

Animals.
Disney.
???
HUEG profit!

]]> By: Bennie http://alphavilleherald.com/2008/09/microsofts-mund.html/comment-page-1#comment-9540 Bennie Mon, 13 Oct 2008 11:39:42 +0000 http://localhost/wp_2/?p=547#comment-9540 On people needing more and more realism... Not everyone. By FAR. AS some people still have a sense of fantasy, you know, the elusive thing that made a big cardboard box into a spaceship when you were five. Second Life's graphics, compared to other games and real life, leaves a lot to be desired for some, and yeah, they might get bored with it. To many others like me, meh, it's good enough :) But if you see what people have managed to create despite SL's limitations, I think the limits of SL itself keep it interresting. Somewhat like the computer demo scene, where it was (is) a sport to make computers do things they shouldnt really be able to, like 3D graphics squeezed out of something like a Commodore 64 or older. So yeah a lot of people will leave SL for something more realistic, but a lot of people will also stay for the same reason. It's good that there's something for everyone :) (at least, will be.) On people needing more and more realism…

Not everyone. By FAR. AS some people still have a sense of fantasy, you know, the elusive thing that made a big cardboard box into a spaceship when you were five.

Second Life’s graphics, compared to other games and real life, leaves a lot to be desired for some, and yeah, they might get bored with it.
To many others like me, meh, it’s good enough :)

But if you see what people have managed to create despite SL’s limitations, I think the limits of SL itself keep it interresting.

Somewhat like the computer demo scene, where it was (is) a sport to make computers do things they shouldnt really be able to, like 3D graphics squeezed out of something like a Commodore 64 or older.

So yeah a lot of people will leave SL for something more realistic, but a lot of people will also stay for the same reason.

It’s good that there’s something for everyone :) (at least, will be.)

]]> By: Kristianna Rubble http://alphavilleherald.com/2008/09/microsofts-mund.html/comment-page-1#comment-9539 Kristianna Rubble Fri, 10 Oct 2008 22:37:01 +0000 http://localhost/wp_2/?p=547#comment-9539 Have you heard of the saying, “What one man’s meat is another man’s poison?” It has never been as true as it is in the virtual world of Second Live. I have read most of the ‘pros’ and ‘cons’ of this mass media platform. As with everything in today’s ambivalent society, virtual worlds can be used as positive reinforcements for good, such as allowing a physically challenged person to erase their limitations and escape into freedom. And on the negative side, Second Life can be a world of violence, sex, and yes, even slavery. The common thread between these two polar opposites is “freedom of choice”. Every man and woman, whether in Real Life or Second Life has the right to choose for his or herself. I, myself, have never been in a “sex” club, nor am I likely to ever go. The reason being, it holds no interest for me. But I have a wonderful friend who enjoys such activities, and I give her that right. I see Second Life growing and expanding on multi levels, Education, business, technological and even medical breakthroughs. The possibilities are limitless. The company I work for, Pulse Point Marketing and our subsidiary company, Soul Creations Design and Building in Second life have as our clients many non-profit organizations and universities hiring the finest professionals available to create their virtual reality sims. We work diligently to provide real service for both our paying and non-profit customers. This is what over forty of us choose to do with our Second Lives. What each individual does with his Second Life is up for grabs and what you take hold of is up to you. Kristianna Rubble, Account Manager Pulse Point Marketing LLC Soul Creations and Building in Second Life Have you heard of the saying, “What one man’s meat is another man’s poison?” It has never been as true as it is in the virtual world of Second Live. I have read most of the ‘pros’ and ‘cons’ of this mass media platform. As with everything in today’s ambivalent society, virtual worlds can be used as positive reinforcements for good, such as allowing a physically challenged person to erase their limitations and escape into freedom. And on the negative side, Second Life can be a world of violence, sex, and yes, even slavery.
The common thread between these two polar opposites is “freedom of choice”. Every man and woman, whether in Real Life or Second Life has the right to choose for his or herself. I, myself, have never been in a “sex” club, nor am I likely to ever go. The reason being, it holds no interest for me. But I have a wonderful friend who enjoys such activities, and I give her that right.
I see Second Life growing and expanding on multi levels, Education, business, technological and even medical breakthroughs. The possibilities are limitless.
The company I work for, Pulse Point Marketing and our subsidiary company, Soul Creations Design and Building in Second life have as our clients many non-profit organizations and universities hiring the finest professionals available to create their virtual reality sims. We work diligently to provide real service for both our paying and non-profit customers. This is what over forty of us choose to do with our Second Lives.
What each individual does with his Second Life is up for grabs and what you take hold of is up to you.

Kristianna Rubble, Account Manager
Pulse Point Marketing LLC
Soul Creations and Building in Second Life

]]> By: Neo Citizen http://alphavilleherald.com/2008/09/microsofts-mund.html/comment-page-1#comment-9538 Neo Citizen Wed, 01 Oct 2008 12:56:19 +0000 http://localhost/wp_2/?p=547#comment-9538 Well it helps when everybody posting actually has something intelligent to say. Usually it's some long-dead griefer group saying "We're not dead yet" or some kid who thinks being Anonymous/4Chan/whatever is cool and they'll never be caught (until they read something like http://aba.pmhclients.com/news/yale_students_start_naming_names_in_suit_over_anomymous_blog_posts), or somebody in desperate search for an ePenis. Well it helps when everybody posting actually has something intelligent to say. Usually it’s some long-dead griefer group saying “We’re not dead yet” or some kid who thinks being Anonymous/4Chan/whatever is cool and they’ll never be caught (until they read something like http://aba.pmhclients.com/news/yale_students_start_naming_names_in_suit_over_anomymous_blog_posts), or somebody in desperate search for an ePenis.

]]> By: Rock Ramona http://alphavilleherald.com/2008/09/microsofts-mund.html/comment-page-1#comment-9537 Rock Ramona Wed, 01 Oct 2008 04:59:21 +0000 http://localhost/wp_2/?p=547#comment-9537 Wow,,iam shocked,yet find myself so proud of all the people that have replied....i think for once everyone is agreeing,and that gives me a warm fuzzy feeling.Much more like i had when there were 5k people logging on on the weekends...and to tell ya the truth,i really dont think there are a whole lot more than that actually logging on anymore,i have a little program i run that tells me which avies are bots and how long they have been without movement,and to be frank folks,bots are the majority that i see.They fill the clubs now,its not unusual to go into a club and see 8 to 10 avies with the same ip dancing away.Just for fun 2 nites ago,i got in my blimp and flew around differant sims on the mainland,and even tested some islands,at least the ones where i could rezz my blimp,and i found that bots were always the majority.And no,im not counting campers with single ips ,only groups that have the same address.Can you all imagine how much better server performance would be without all these bots.I have kept my mouth shut about this because of fear of an ip ban by the lindens,but im not the only one who see s this,and its nothing new to most.Ive been here 3 and a half years,and hopefully maybe another 3 years,im one of those handicapped individuals who needs a place to go pixel bumping,or sailing,or flying at night,or in the winter when my pilot rating doesnt allow me to fly in rl.Im so glad that we are over this madness of big companies and pipe dreams,Second Life is what it is,it is a niche and i love it for that,let us freaks and geeks play and build,pixel bump and whatever else we all do.....ya know..its like when you have a big party at yer house,and as soon as all the good liquor is gone,and the food trays are empty,and everyone leaves....cept those few good friends that hang around and help you pick up............thats us,same people you call when you need to move furniture...thats us..the same people that when yer baby throws up all over,and you hand them to us and we take them with a smile into our arms while you grab a wet towel......thats us,so remember that :) Wow,,iam shocked,yet find myself so proud of all the people that have replied….i think for once everyone is agreeing,and that gives me a warm fuzzy feeling.Much more like i had when there were 5k people logging on on the weekends…and to tell ya the truth,i really dont think there are a whole lot more than that actually logging on anymore,i have a little program i run that tells me which avies are bots and how long they have been without movement,and to be frank folks,bots are the majority that i see.They fill the clubs now,its not unusual to go into a club and see 8 to 10 avies with the same ip dancing away.Just for fun 2 nites ago,i got in my blimp and flew around differant sims on the mainland,and even tested some islands,at least the ones where i could rezz my blimp,and i found that bots were always the majority.And no,im not counting campers with single ips ,only groups that have the same address.Can you all imagine how much better server performance would be without all these bots.I have kept my mouth shut about this because of fear of an ip ban by the lindens,but im not the only one who see s this,and its nothing new to most.Ive been here 3 and a half years,and hopefully maybe another 3 years,im one of those handicapped individuals who needs a place to go pixel bumping,or sailing,or flying at night,or in the winter when my pilot rating doesnt allow me to fly in rl.Im so glad that we are over this madness of big companies and pipe dreams,Second Life is what it is,it is a niche and i love it for that,let us freaks and geeks play and build,pixel bump and whatever else we all do…..ya know..its like when you have a big party at yer house,and as soon as all the good liquor is gone,and the food trays are empty,and everyone leaves….cept those few good friends that hang around and help you pick up…………thats us,same people you call when you need to move furniture…thats us..the same people that when yer baby throws up all over,and you hand them to us and we take them with a smile into our arms while you grab a wet towel……thats us,so remember that :)

]]> By: Orion http://alphavilleherald.com/2008/09/microsofts-mund.html/comment-page-1#comment-9536 Orion Tue, 30 Sep 2008 15:14:31 +0000 http://localhost/wp_2/?p=547#comment-9536 Wow! Why is it that most of the presenters from MS look like blood sucking ghouls from outer space? http://www.thestandard.com/sites/thestandard.com/files/u158/092508_robot_mundie_emtech.jpg Wow! Why is it that most of the presenters from MS look like blood sucking ghouls from outer space? http://www.thestandard.com/sites/thestandard.com/files/u158/092508_robot_mundie_emtech.jpg

]]> By: Ranma Tardis http://alphavilleherald.com/2008/09/microsofts-mund.html/comment-page-1#comment-9535 Ranma Tardis Tue, 30 Sep 2008 14:48:46 +0000 http://localhost/wp_2/?p=547#comment-9535 I have lost most of my interest in second life. There are just too many perverts. I have no trouble with them but they keep bothering me. I just log on for a few to hand over my big 50 Lindens to a memorial. On the matter of user content, I never had much interest in such. It is a waste of my time to do such. If I want to work, I can make much more money in real life. Oh it is not really sex but people talking trash to each other at most it is mutual responsive masturbation! I have lost most of my interest in second life. There are just too many perverts. I have no trouble with them but they keep bothering me. I just log on for a few to hand over my big 50 Lindens to a memorial.
On the matter of user content, I never had much interest in such. It is a waste of my time to do such. If I want to work, I can make much more money in real life.
Oh it is not really sex but people talking trash to each other at most it is mutual responsive masturbation!

]]> By: Neo Citizen http://alphavilleherald.com/2008/09/microsofts-mund.html/comment-page-1#comment-9534 Neo Citizen Tue, 30 Sep 2008 10:38:53 +0000 http://localhost/wp_2/?p=547#comment-9534 I agree with you a hundred percent, Mill. I was lucky enough to get to SIGGRAPH this year and saw a project called Blue Mars, which is a new MMO that was supposed to have launched by now but hasn't. It'll have customizable content, but only for the major advertisers. The users will go in and find it impossible to create social structures, create any of their own content - they'll only be able to go to planned activities and buy stuff. It's a digital MMO world full of mini malls. The only way an online world will be appealing is if there's some potential for it to be USED for something. In this sense, SL really is innovative and unique, and actually groundbreaking. It's really just bad business to be dealing with the in-world management and security issues as a spare-tire afterthought. To quote a CEO of a very large corporation who once had a presence in SL (but no longer does): "I'm never going back into Second Life again. It looks like shit and people fuck on the floor." I agree with you a hundred percent, Mill. I was lucky enough to get to SIGGRAPH this year and saw a project called Blue Mars, which is a new MMO that was supposed to have launched by now but hasn’t. It’ll have customizable content, but only for the major advertisers. The users will go in and find it impossible to create social structures, create any of their own content – they’ll only be able to go to planned activities and buy stuff.

It’s a digital MMO world full of mini malls.

The only way an online world will be appealing is if there’s some potential for it to be USED for something. In this sense, SL really is innovative and unique, and actually groundbreaking. It’s really just bad business to be dealing with the in-world management and security issues as a spare-tire afterthought.

To quote a CEO of a very large corporation who once had a presence in SL (but no longer does): “I’m never going back into Second Life again. It looks like shit and people fuck on the floor.”

]]> By: Val Kendal http://alphavilleherald.com/2008/09/microsofts-mund.html/comment-page-1#comment-9533 Val Kendal Tue, 30 Sep 2008 09:03:51 +0000 http://localhost/wp_2/?p=547#comment-9533 As to the number of active users worldwide - this from a post today over at another SL news source (NWN): >> As of last week, the company users stats counted 870,619 Residents who'd logged in during the last 30 days. But hold on: that number includes people who created a new SL account and logged in for the first time within that period, Kingdon told me. Which increases the mystery. Ms. Nino has been tracking new user sign-ups on her blog, and they average roughly 12,000 a day; i.e., about 360,000 new users a month. So subtracting 360K from 870,619, we're left with around 510,000 monthly recurring users. In other words, while concurrency is growing, the number of active monthly users still seems to be stuck at around 500-550K+-- a plateau that's existed since last year. >> still a small number to be sure, but not that far off from a million for corporate math As to the number of active users worldwide – this from a post today over at another SL news source (NWN):

>>
As of last week, the company users stats counted 870,619 Residents who’d logged in during the last 30 days. But hold on: that number includes people who created a new SL account and logged in for the first time within that period, Kingdon told me. Which increases the mystery. Ms. Nino has been tracking new user sign-ups on her blog, and they average roughly 12,000 a day; i.e., about 360,000 new users a month. So subtracting 360K from 870,619, we’re left with around 510,000 monthly recurring users. In other words, while concurrency is growing, the number of active monthly users still seems to be stuck at around 500-550K+– a plateau that’s existed since last year.
>>

still a small number to be sure, but not that far off from a million for corporate math

]]> By: Mill http://alphavilleherald.com/2008/09/microsofts-mund.html/comment-page-1#comment-9532 Mill Tue, 30 Sep 2008 01:43:39 +0000 http://localhost/wp_2/?p=547#comment-9532 I think the success, or potential failure, of a real to life 3D world is gonna be in the environment interaction. If all you do is see a photo relaistic world then that'd be boring. But if there's the chance to do something diifferent with it, like change things or move them around, then the place would take off , for a while at least. Just like SL I think any online world's success depends on the ability of users to find the world useful. If a 3D photo real virtual world is going to work it has to do more than be a photo realistic virtual world. I think the success, or potential failure, of a real to life 3D world is gonna be in the environment interaction.

If all you do is see a photo relaistic world then that’d be boring. But if there’s the chance to do something diifferent with it, like change things or move them around, then the place would take off , for a while at least.

Just like SL I think any online world’s success depends on the ability of users to find the world useful. If a 3D photo real virtual world is going to work it has to do more than be a photo realistic virtual world.

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