What about amount of money spent/users?

I am trying to think here, not pretending to have all answers but how about this hypothesis?

If you use “hours logged on” -this measure its a cycle right? I mean it is something that ends and starts, how? because it is a timed cycle. Hours logged its measured either by day, month, quarter or year. Hence…. you will be getting marginal results as each cycle fills itself. Differently to users where there you can add more ppl, you cannot add more hours to a day or more days to a month.. LOL… let me try to explain myself.

Imagine a glass that becomes fuller each time. (it has a limit therefore the glass analogy should work) as the glass is fuller at the top you will be getting smaller results, and this I believe its why you are getting lower figures each time. It becomes marginal.

In other words, if you have a veteran base using SL, sometimes extensively (in hours) sometimes very measured, and add to that waves of new users, (In holidays SL gets more new users or when other virtual communities close, SL gets waves of new users) you would have a graph that behaves like the THL Quarterly growth.

So what’s a better SL measure, specially related to economics of the system, my 5 cents would suggest some of the following: total amount of money imported, money spent, and “logged on now” figures. Then you can play with (money spent/logged users), (imported money/logged users).

I think we all pay too much attention to the “black box” of how many alts does a person have, but after all all alts belong to one person so. And this becomes a microsystem, like a tree with branches, it does not matter how many alts I have. Since all I spend and make within SL its holded inside that microsystem me and my alts are

I don’t know… if you want to continue this chat by email, please write and thanks for answering -I am bit slow on answering sometimes takes me a few days to check SL sometimes but if you are interested I would be happy. monymarkova@yahoo.com

Finally, total hourly use of the Second Life grid its a thinking trap, the guys at LL have fallen themselves. why would we fall also there? Like I said you can log 4 hour a week and be perfectly happy, efficient, buy and sell lots of lindens, pay your tier, have a premium account… etc.. all the perks… Whats with time? (when being connected to SL too much can be less that healthy for some of us, like yours truly)

Cheers
M

The basic idea behind QPC is to measure the amount of money spent relative to the number of available hours logged on. Logged on hours, while capturing bots, also captures active users. For instance, if I used total residents, that would include all the throwaway alts, all the accounts that were abandoned and all the bots as well. With hours logged on, while capturing bots, it does not include the alts and abandoned accounts. And then I use PMLF because resident to resident transactions can capture transfers between alts and then transfers for off world reasons, like HippiePay. And remember, PMLF does not include any land costs.

I am so sorry – I have no clue what you are saying!

I promise I have to be thinking differently or not understanding. I love the effort, and the importance on publishing economical figures, and I commend you for doing so. I have some observations and questions I like you to take as that.

1. Why do you keep using or relating TOTAL HOURS LOGGED in as a measure of health of SL economy? Please consider the following:

-More time connected is not equal to a better, healthier, richer, SL experience or use.
-Abusive hours mechanisms like BOTS (as you mention) use extensive hours while not providing back to the economical system through spending
-We don’t need to be connected more time to use SL efficiently

So your figures of less total hours, might read as “more mature smart efficient use of the platform by users” (You see how this does not make absolute sense? as I can log in 1 hour per week and collect 10,000L and spend 25,000L … not a link with TIME!)

Suggestion or petition: use or adopt a better more robust measure of economical performance and stop promoting the idea of being more time logged it better.

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PMLF – quite a better measure, hopefully it would consider land payments
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Then you relate PMLF again to hours logged? Why, can you explain please?

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It seems to me your paradigm of a better healthier economy its linked to more hours logged. I urge you to analyze this, so you can provide us with better analysis.

Thanks
Mony

Once I arrived at Purgatory I was subjected to the others who were sent there by the almighty Linden. I finaly rezzed but most of the others remained grey. i filmed my experience and will think of posting it.

There were vulgar people there harrasing others calling them names for no reason and it for some reason i was then teleported to someones land who thought i was a griefer. I was not dressed for the occasion. Dressed but not for public) I was considered a griefer. I may post that experience as well. I stayed because I wanted to capture the climate of the people that exsisted. Very hostile.

I stayed logged in of course at my own will to just witness and capture the cruelness of others towards strangers. Some tried to stick up for others but it was plain ignorance most of it and I’m ashamed for them. What has happened to people? Why do they think its ok to verbally attack strangers based on hearing a few words from them. They may sound different from you but it doesnt mean you can asume they are either drugged or drunk or what ever you may assume. some others may be medicated or have a disability or have some deficit that may appear they are but do you actually know? Of course not so i’ll tell you it was just shamefull the behavior I wittnessed from a few and also Linden Labs better get their act together. This is getting to be (getting lol is an understatement) the service stinks and 80K people. Why don’t they cap the amount of people they accept until they can adequetly support them. Pure greed as far as I’m concerened Pure greed!

Sophia~

With these figures, yes they compare the previous monthss performances, but that is what they are intended to do. To me, Second Life is unique in a number of ways. If I were to compare SL to other platforms, where would I stop? SL contains aspects of World of Warcraft, Entropia, EVE, City of Heroes, Red Light Center, There, IMVU, the new Grids (catching the OpenSims, Central Grid, LegendCity Online and the rest) and if you push the definition, Skype and Yahoo Chat. But not all of them have the small scale, imaginative economy like we have; the new Grids are closing in, and if LGO published economic numbers the same, then that might be worthwhile to compare, There is similar but not to the same level and they don’t seem to post their economic numbers for comparison.

And frankly, I don’t see these numbers as saying anything about Linden Lab, which isn’t the point of the series. Linden Lab would be growing by revenue coming in, which is not measured by the economic statistics page because it should include Second Life Grid sales and other arrangements that would not show up.

This series is for the residents who make a living or just a little bit of spending money by other people coming in and buying their products.

And this is addressed to duh, bots don’t spend money on goods or services, but supposedly, no one can tell easily how many bots are on, other than counting dots or going up to people to ask if they are a bot. With the QPC dropping by 2, perhaps we are seeing a bot effect or a combination of bot hours increasing as money spent is decreasing by a significant amount. QPC is partially based on a number that is measured in the millions.

Increases in total L$ supply come from one source: Supply Linden. During periods of economic growth, Supply Linden sales account for huge income in L$ because minting them and selling them is almost entirely profit, and dwarfs Lindex fees. They could let the L$ increase in value by throttling supply linden sales, which is exactly what their plan is. Zee Linden shat this out his asshole in November:
http://forums.secondlife.com/showthread.php?p=2219415&highlight=supply+linden#post2219415

November has returned to normal and to ensure stability we let the L$ appreciate by one L$ and we plan to let it continue to appreciate modestly over time.

So there is the real reason why the exchange rate has gone up: economic intervention by Linden. Now please fuck off.