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	<title>Comments on: Op/Ed: But What About The Children?</title>
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		<title>By: Teddy Ruxpin Kennedy</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2009/06/oped-but-what-about-the-children.html/comment-page-1#comment-4605</link>
		<dc:creator>Teddy Ruxpin Kennedy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 15:18:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quit forcing your 2nd childhood on the rest of us.

If you want to be a child, talk like a child, and all that goes with it, stay the fuck away from the adult continent and any adult content in SL.

Some of these kiddies RPers practically demand to be treated as children, refusing to break their RPing for even forum posts. Seriously, people who baby-talk on forums need to have their heads examined. No amount of RPing a kid on SL is going to address their issues, which most of them claim to have - &quot;I had a bad childhood, so I am trying to capture it in SL&quot; - these folks need mental health help in RL. All this insistence on forcing yourself into every facet of SL does is to aggravate the situation you are supposedly working to &quot;fix&quot;.

Quit being selfish.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quit forcing your 2nd childhood on the rest of us.</p>
<p>If you want to be a child, talk like a child, and all that goes with it, stay the fuck away from the adult continent and any adult content in SL.</p>
<p>Some of these kiddies RPers practically demand to be treated as children, refusing to break their RPing for even forum posts. Seriously, people who baby-talk on forums need to have their heads examined. No amount of RPing a kid on SL is going to address their issues, which most of them claim to have &#8211; &#8220;I had a bad childhood, so I am trying to capture it in SL&#8221; &#8211; these folks need mental health help in RL. All this insistence on forcing yourself into every facet of SL does is to aggravate the situation you are supposedly working to &#8220;fix&#8221;.</p>
<p>Quit being selfish.</p>
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		<title>By: whatever</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2009/06/oped-but-what-about-the-children.html/comment-page-1#comment-4604</link>
		<dc:creator>whatever</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 17:10:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The question is this.  If someone is portraying to be a child avatar and going the extra mile to do this, with child talk, clothing, gestures, and wants to be treated as a child etc.  Then why would they even be invited to go to an Adult oriented sim by the Lindens in the first place?  And,  why would said child avatar want to go where it has already been suggested that the sim will be for av sexin?  As someone else just before me,  child avatars can&#039;t have it both ways.  Again,  you don&#039;t take a child to the nudie strip bar irl and it&#039;s aok.

When the outside world looks in and sees this type of thing happen,  they will assume the worst because that&#039;s what they want to see.  I&#039;d hate to see SL get shut down because some Linden decided it would be cool to invite a child av to a sim such as this and then the child av,  without thinking decided it would be cool too.   It&#039;s obvious when you have idiots like penis boy dancing around,  that a child shouldn&#039;t be there and it gives the people playing children a bad name and they can be seen in a bad light.

Something needs to change and soon.  As nice as Marianne is,  if she or any other child av is going to go to a place such as this,  then throw on the default female av and take a tour.  If you choose to be a child av,  then you choose to live the way a child lives,  and with laws the way they are,  they are just gonna haveta bite the bullet and abide by the rules.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The question is this.  If someone is portraying to be a child avatar and going the extra mile to do this, with child talk, clothing, gestures, and wants to be treated as a child etc.  Then why would they even be invited to go to an Adult oriented sim by the Lindens in the first place?  And,  why would said child avatar want to go where it has already been suggested that the sim will be for av sexin?  As someone else just before me,  child avatars can&#8217;t have it both ways.  Again,  you don&#8217;t take a child to the nudie strip bar irl and it&#8217;s aok.</p>
<p>When the outside world looks in and sees this type of thing happen,  they will assume the worst because that&#8217;s what they want to see.  I&#8217;d hate to see SL get shut down because some Linden decided it would be cool to invite a child av to a sim such as this and then the child av,  without thinking decided it would be cool too.   It&#8217;s obvious when you have idiots like penis boy dancing around,  that a child shouldn&#8217;t be there and it gives the people playing children a bad name and they can be seen in a bad light.</p>
<p>Something needs to change and soon.  As nice as Marianne is,  if she or any other child av is going to go to a place such as this,  then throw on the default female av and take a tour.  If you choose to be a child av,  then you choose to live the way a child lives,  and with laws the way they are,  they are just gonna haveta bite the bullet and abide by the rules.</p>
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		<title>By: Afroduck</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2009/06/oped-but-what-about-the-children.html/comment-page-1#comment-4603</link>
		<dc:creator>Afroduck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 05:30:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RL Some children are playing in a sandbox. Random guy comes along, pulls down his pants and starts dancing but does not approach or even seem to notice the children. The children clearly see no threat, it&#039;s actually quite silly after all, and choose to ignore it. Another adult comes along and scolds the children for not moving somewhere else because it is their responsibility to make sure a given situation cannot even loosely be considered &quot;perverted&quot;.

Yeah...


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RL Some children are playing in a sandbox. Random guy comes along, pulls down his pants and starts dancing but does not approach or even seem to notice the children. The children clearly see no threat, it&#8217;s actually quite silly after all, and choose to ignore it. Another adult comes along and scolds the children for not moving somewhere else because it is their responsibility to make sure a given situation cannot even loosely be considered &#8220;perverted&#8221;.</p>
<p>Yeah&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Arwyn Quandry</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2009/06/oped-but-what-about-the-children.html/comment-page-1#comment-4602</link>
		<dc:creator>Arwyn Quandry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 20:55:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It should be of note that there currently is no adult content on Zindra - it&#039;s fully Linden-built.  Therefore, I don&#039;t see issue with Mari being there since the location is empty.  Once landowners start coming in, building, and making their sexual content, then they hare fully within their right to ask a child avatar to leave or to eject them from the area.  I haven&#039;t seen Lindens building any sex clubs as part of Zindra and the public area is essentially PG.  People walk around nude or nearly nude on mainland with their freenises hanging out all over the place and no one bats an eye at a child avatar walking into the welcome area where newbs are shouting for sex.  There&#039;s no good that can come of this scare - only persecution of child avatars and rampant discrimination.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It should be of note that there currently is no adult content on Zindra &#8211; it&#8217;s fully Linden-built.  Therefore, I don&#8217;t see issue with Mari being there since the location is empty.  Once landowners start coming in, building, and making their sexual content, then they hare fully within their right to ask a child avatar to leave or to eject them from the area.  I haven&#8217;t seen Lindens building any sex clubs as part of Zindra and the public area is essentially PG.  People walk around nude or nearly nude on mainland with their freenises hanging out all over the place and no one bats an eye at a child avatar walking into the welcome area where newbs are shouting for sex.  There&#8217;s no good that can come of this scare &#8211; only persecution of child avatars and rampant discrimination.</p>
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		<title>By: Lias Leandros</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2009/06/oped-but-what-about-the-children.html/comment-page-1#comment-4601</link>
		<dc:creator>Lias Leandros</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 00:43:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Miso Susanowa</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2009/06/oped-but-what-about-the-children.html/comment-page-1#comment-4600</link>
		<dc:creator>Miso Susanowa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 19:18:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, i will jump in to get shot at...

What&#039;s amazing to me is not that Marianne was there (whether i agree witht hat or not) but the wtisting of this whole thing onto the child avatar.

My understanding is the giant penis-man deliberately provocative, as was Vryl (who stripped herself and masturbated next to Marianne). And yet somehow this is Marianne&#039;s fault/problem?

Zindra is EMPTY and there is an open invite on the login pages to visit this EMPTY CONTINENT. There&#039;s no sexual activity there... unless you count the deliberate (and most probably staged) provocation by these so-called &quot;freedom of expression&quot; people.

If anything, i&#039;d say Vryl and Mr Penis were in flagrant violation of the TOS, not to mention engaging in the exact sort of &quot;nasty child porn/abuse&quot; everyone is tossing around.

How come the debate/furor/hissy fit has shifted onto child avatars, and not some deliberately provocatibe, tasteless and morally disturbing idiot who would strip naked beside a child avatar and masturbate herself?
A deliberate setup? Most likely.

&quot;Freedom of expression for adults&quot; means only freedom of expression for YOU? Smells like... hypocrisy. I don&#039;t, as a child avatar, go ANYWHERE a real child wouldn&#039;t go, would feel bad about going or wouldn&#039;t ever get in; that&#039;s called real role play.

Conversely, many many &quot;adult avatars&quot; seem to think tp&#039;ing into a clearly marked child sim, a playground or an adoption center, in nothing but latex and lingerie and then whining and screaming about &quot;freedom of expression&quot; when someone AR&#039;s THEM is somehow a restriction of their rights.


So please, separate the issues here and quit using what was most probably a deliberate setup designed to feed someone&#039;s asinine ego and inflated opinion of their own importance in the &quot;feedom crusade&quot; as a blunt instrument to bash all child avatars. You might make me mad enough to start bashing the groups I don&#039;t particularly care for either.

But it seems that, child or not, I am more grownup than many.

And thanks to the Alphaville Herald and Jessica for providing some nice balance and engagement in this issue.

-Miso

ps- i agree that Marianne acted stupidly; she should have immediately AR&#039;d the perverts. Fair is fair, after all.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, i will jump in to get shot at&#8230;</p>
<p>What&#8217;s amazing to me is not that Marianne was there (whether i agree witht hat or not) but the wtisting of this whole thing onto the child avatar.</p>
<p>My understanding is the giant penis-man deliberately provocative, as was Vryl (who stripped herself and masturbated next to Marianne). And yet somehow this is Marianne&#8217;s fault/problem?</p>
<p>Zindra is EMPTY and there is an open invite on the login pages to visit this EMPTY CONTINENT. There&#8217;s no sexual activity there&#8230; unless you count the deliberate (and most probably staged) provocation by these so-called &#8220;freedom of expression&#8221; people.</p>
<p>If anything, i&#8217;d say Vryl and Mr Penis were in flagrant violation of the TOS, not to mention engaging in the exact sort of &#8220;nasty child porn/abuse&#8221; everyone is tossing around.</p>
<p>How come the debate/furor/hissy fit has shifted onto child avatars, and not some deliberately provocatibe, tasteless and morally disturbing idiot who would strip naked beside a child avatar and masturbate herself?<br />
A deliberate setup? Most likely.</p>
<p>&#8220;Freedom of expression for adults&#8221; means only freedom of expression for YOU? Smells like&#8230; hypocrisy. I don&#8217;t, as a child avatar, go ANYWHERE a real child wouldn&#8217;t go, would feel bad about going or wouldn&#8217;t ever get in; that&#8217;s called real role play.</p>
<p>Conversely, many many &#8220;adult avatars&#8221; seem to think tp&#8217;ing into a clearly marked child sim, a playground or an adoption center, in nothing but latex and lingerie and then whining and screaming about &#8220;freedom of expression&#8221; when someone AR&#8217;s THEM is somehow a restriction of their rights.</p>
<p>So please, separate the issues here and quit using what was most probably a deliberate setup designed to feed someone&#8217;s asinine ego and inflated opinion of their own importance in the &#8220;feedom crusade&#8221; as a blunt instrument to bash all child avatars. You might make me mad enough to start bashing the groups I don&#8217;t particularly care for either.</p>
<p>But it seems that, child or not, I am more grownup than many.</p>
<p>And thanks to the Alphaville Herald and Jessica for providing some nice balance and engagement in this issue.</p>
<p>-Miso</p>
<p>ps- i agree that Marianne acted stupidly; she should have immediately AR&#8217;d the perverts. Fair is fair, after all.</p>
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		<title>By: Sigmund Leominster</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sigmund Leominster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 15:11:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Zindra is an adult sim. Anyone who turns up should be assumed to be an adult. If they look like a kid, a goat, a small piece of putty, an elephant on stilts, Jumpman Lane, or a toaster in bikini, who really gives a flying fornication? I happen to think that in real life, anyone who turns up anywhere wearing polyester should be hung, drawn, quartered, and made to wear a sumo wrestler&#039;s jock strap for a month. But how someone dresses is tragically not yet grounds for homicide or censorship.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zindra is an adult sim. Anyone who turns up should be assumed to be an adult. If they look like a kid, a goat, a small piece of putty, an elephant on stilts, Jumpman Lane, or a toaster in bikini, who really gives a flying fornication? I happen to think that in real life, anyone who turns up anywhere wearing polyester should be hung, drawn, quartered, and made to wear a sumo wrestler&#8217;s jock strap for a month. But how someone dresses is tragically not yet grounds for homicide or censorship.</p>
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		<title>By: Carmen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carmen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 13:41:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This realy does not require much debate.
Child avatar, means i wish to role play as a child, on this basis you have no reason to be in a sex sim or for that matter mature.
I am totally against child avatars only though because i firmly believe that they will be targeted by perverts. Im sure the person behind the av Marianne McCann is very nice. Though in this case acted in a thoroughly stupid manner.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This realy does not require much debate.<br />
Child avatar, means i wish to role play as a child, on this basis you have no reason to be in a sex sim or for that matter mature.<br />
I am totally against child avatars only though because i firmly believe that they will be targeted by perverts. Im sure the person behind the av Marianne McCann is very nice. Though in this case acted in a thoroughly stupid manner.</p>
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		<title>By: Ari Blackthorne</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2009/06/oped-but-what-about-the-children.html/comment-page-1#comment-4597</link>
		<dc:creator>Ari Blackthorne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 11:23:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marianne knows damned well the outcry that would happen.
Her problem is that she is viewing Zindra the way the Lindens view Zindra: just another continent like all others - and the only one where the super-naughty is allowed.

But most people view it the opposite: Built explicitely for the uber-deviant naughty and it&#039;s one giant sex-pile.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marianne knows damned well the outcry that would happen.<br />
Her problem is that she is viewing Zindra the way the Lindens view Zindra: just another continent like all others &#8211; and the only one where the super-naughty is allowed.</p>
<p>But most people view it the opposite: Built explicitely for the uber-deviant naughty and it&#8217;s one giant sex-pile.</p>
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		<title>By: Jessica Holyoke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jessica Holyoke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 07:06:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@GL; The fallout from other blogs is what happened to Marianne.  She wasn&#039;t banned.  She wasn&#039;t ejected.  No one, as far as I know, has called the police.  But for being in the same area, near is arguable, as a giant penis, she is being equated with a child rapist.

And that is what she is being accused of; being in the same info hub area, maybe 20m away, from a giant prim dancing penis.

@Adric; If you think I&#039;m agreeing with Prok on this one, then I didn&#039;t do my job right.  I didn&#039;t break down the sentencing, but I don&#039;t think it matters after you brought it up.  The scumbag was not going to be released from jail, he was still going to be in prison; the Court of Appeals was deciding if writing alone was child pornography and they said it was.

@in general; I think this not only touches on child avatars which still engender a huge response even if it is PG roleplaying involved, but also a more basic question of when is it appropriate to ask someone to change their avatar?  Because I think the argument isn&#039;t that Marianne was not allowed to view the content, which in my mind, a giant dancing penis isn&#039;t that sexual,  and she did, but rather how she viewed it changes if it was wrong or not.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@GL; The fallout from other blogs is what happened to Marianne.  She wasn&#8217;t banned.  She wasn&#8217;t ejected.  No one, as far as I know, has called the police.  But for being in the same area, near is arguable, as a giant penis, she is being equated with a child rapist.</p>
<p>And that is what she is being accused of; being in the same info hub area, maybe 20m away, from a giant prim dancing penis.</p>
<p>@Adric; If you think I&#8217;m agreeing with Prok on this one, then I didn&#8217;t do my job right.  I didn&#8217;t break down the sentencing, but I don&#8217;t think it matters after you brought it up.  The scumbag was not going to be released from jail, he was still going to be in prison; the Court of Appeals was deciding if writing alone was child pornography and they said it was.</p>
<p>@in general; I think this not only touches on child avatars which still engender a huge response even if it is PG roleplaying involved, but also a more basic question of when is it appropriate to ask someone to change their avatar?  Because I think the argument isn&#8217;t that Marianne was not allowed to view the content, which in my mind, a giant dancing penis isn&#8217;t that sexual,  and she did, but rather how she viewed it changes if it was wrong or not.</p>
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