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	<title>Comments on: Lusty Millions &#8212; Post 6 Grrrl</title>
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		<title>By: Honest Girl</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2009/07/lusty-millions-post-6-grrrl.html/comment-page-1#comment-4143</link>
		<dc:creator>Honest Girl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 00:58:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Senban

I have thought about it. I think its about to time to see the &quot;normal ones&quot; no matter how twisted or small sized they be.

I just don&#039;t agree with the whole Barbie out look SL has taken over the years. Where people say &quot;If you don&#039;t look like this then you are ugly&quot; In what world does everyone look the same? If SL is supposed to be like RL &quot;So many state&quot; then show the beauty in the NONE barbie wanna be&#039;s also.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Senban</p>
<p>I have thought about it. I think its about to time to see the &#8220;normal ones&#8221; no matter how twisted or small sized they be.</p>
<p>I just don&#8217;t agree with the whole Barbie out look SL has taken over the years. Where people say &#8220;If you don&#8217;t look like this then you are ugly&#8221; In what world does everyone look the same? If SL is supposed to be like RL &#8220;So many state&#8221; then show the beauty in the NONE barbie wanna be&#8217;s also.</p>
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		<title>By: JustMe</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 09:44:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scylla Rhiadra ..... you have a good idea about the Herald featuring people who actually make a difference or do something constructive in SL.

Perhaps a new category,not Post 6, could be created to feature those people.  I&#039;m talking about the people who raise money for AIDS research and cancer research, the people who create meditation centers and churches,  the people who create builds that can be viewed as works of art, the people who hold poetry readings, art shows, etc.   Also, there are performers who share their voices and musical ability with us in their live performances.   I&#039;m sure there are other categories as well, these just come to mind off the top of my head.

And I also have some names of people who I could recommend.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scylla Rhiadra &#8230;.. you have a good idea about the Herald featuring people who actually make a difference or do something constructive in SL.</p>
<p>Perhaps a new category,not Post 6, could be created to feature those people.  I&#8217;m talking about the people who raise money for AIDS research and cancer research, the people who create meditation centers and churches,  the people who create builds that can be viewed as works of art, the people who hold poetry readings, art shows, etc.   Also, there are performers who share their voices and musical ability with us in their live performances.   I&#8217;m sure there are other categories as well, these just come to mind off the top of my head.</p>
<p>And I also have some names of people who I could recommend.</p>
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		<title>By: Scylla Rhiadra</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scylla Rhiadra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 12:46:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oh dear, I certainly agree that there are those in SL who do get &quot;lost&quot; in it, and live vicariously through their avatars.  But I have no idea, based on the little evidence we have here, whether that applies to Lusty or Marilyn.  Nor, I think, do you.

Carmen, I think you are wonderfully fortunate if you have NOT run across many men who do not view women as sex objects. In SL and RL, I can pretty quickly ascertain whether a man thinks that way, and I don&#039;t associate with them very long if they do, but in SL certainly, where anonymity makes it easier to be sexually aggressive, I probably can&#039;t get through an average week without SOME man (most usually a noob; those who&#039;ve been around longer are a bit more subtle) hitting me up with some variation on &quot;I want to find the the sexy ...&quot; It&#039;s a pretty minor thing in the grand scheme of things, but it can often come close to a mild form of harassment, and it is, in any case, rather indicative of the fact that, though they ARE a dying breed, such still very much exist.

I&#039;ve never really got cartoon sex and nudity.  I find prim penises entirely unappealing in appearance, for example.  Mostly, I find the whole thing pretty silly, although I probably shouldn&#039;t: I like dancing, for instance, which isn&#039;t THAT much different in principle.

That said, its easy to argue that &quot;cartoon&quot; nudity and sex aren&#039;t very &quot;serious,&quot; until you remember the enormous popularity of things like hentai, lolicon, and shotacon. Most of the really horrendous rape play games commercially available use animations: &quot;RapeLay,&quot; a game recently targeted by Equality Now, uses &quot;cartoon&quot; sex and violence to allow players to rape a 12 year old girl and her family, with the idea that if you do it &quot;enough,&quot; they will come to &quot;like it.&quot;  You can read about this here:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.equalitynow.org/english/actions/action_3301_en.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.equalitynow.org/english/actions/action_3301_en.html&lt;/a&gt;

So, as silly as cartoon nudity and sex most usually seem in SL (and SL has more than its fair share of &quot;rape play&quot; or &quot;snuff&quot; sims too), there is a continuum here, which ranges from the admittedly VERY mild soft porn in Post 6, to some really disturbing stuff.

Honest Girl, you bring up an interesting point about SL and body image, which is a whole OTHER topic of conversation, but very pertinent to Post 6.  I agree:  I would really really like to see someone featured here whose avi DOESN&#039;T reinforce the impossible and mostly sexist standards for the female body that we still seem to apply in RL.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh dear, I certainly agree that there are those in SL who do get &#8220;lost&#8221; in it, and live vicariously through their avatars.  But I have no idea, based on the little evidence we have here, whether that applies to Lusty or Marilyn.  Nor, I think, do you.</p>
<p>Carmen, I think you are wonderfully fortunate if you have NOT run across many men who do not view women as sex objects. In SL and RL, I can pretty quickly ascertain whether a man thinks that way, and I don&#8217;t associate with them very long if they do, but in SL certainly, where anonymity makes it easier to be sexually aggressive, I probably can&#8217;t get through an average week without SOME man (most usually a noob; those who&#8217;ve been around longer are a bit more subtle) hitting me up with some variation on &#8220;I want to find the the sexy &#8230;&#8221; It&#8217;s a pretty minor thing in the grand scheme of things, but it can often come close to a mild form of harassment, and it is, in any case, rather indicative of the fact that, though they ARE a dying breed, such still very much exist.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve never really got cartoon sex and nudity.  I find prim penises entirely unappealing in appearance, for example.  Mostly, I find the whole thing pretty silly, although I probably shouldn&#8217;t: I like dancing, for instance, which isn&#8217;t THAT much different in principle.</p>
<p>That said, its easy to argue that &#8220;cartoon&#8221; nudity and sex aren&#8217;t very &#8220;serious,&#8221; until you remember the enormous popularity of things like hentai, lolicon, and shotacon. Most of the really horrendous rape play games commercially available use animations: &#8220;RapeLay,&#8221; a game recently targeted by Equality Now, uses &#8220;cartoon&#8221; sex and violence to allow players to rape a 12 year old girl and her family, with the idea that if you do it &#8220;enough,&#8221; they will come to &#8220;like it.&#8221;  You can read about this here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.equalitynow.org/english/actions/action_3301_en.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.equalitynow.org/english/actions/action_3301_en.html</a></p>
<p>So, as silly as cartoon nudity and sex most usually seem in SL (and SL has more than its fair share of &#8220;rape play&#8221; or &#8220;snuff&#8221; sims too), there is a continuum here, which ranges from the admittedly VERY mild soft porn in Post 6, to some really disturbing stuff.</p>
<p>Honest Girl, you bring up an interesting point about SL and body image, which is a whole OTHER topic of conversation, but very pertinent to Post 6.  I agree:  I would really really like to see someone featured here whose avi DOESN&#8217;T reinforce the impossible and mostly sexist standards for the female body that we still seem to apply in RL.</p>
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		<title>By: Senban Babii</title>
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		<dc:creator>Senban Babii</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 11:43:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Honest Girl

&quot;The problem I have with Models and Fashion things of SL is that its all geared to the wanna be barbie.&quot;

The internet and especially Second Life is the ultimate consumer democracy.  Create your own world (Hey, that would make a great slogan for one of those virtual world things I keep reading about!)

Create your own outlet for your expression and create your own world the way you&#039;d like it to be.  Set up your own blog to highlight the less &quot;Barbie&quot; avatars and show people what can be done.  Set the example for others to follow if they see value in it.

Create your own shops selling creations that you&#039;d see every day walking down the street rather than club/fetish fashions.  If people find value in it then they will follow.

@Scylla

Just a small point but I should add that although I&#039;ve spoken to Timothy and think he&#039;s a really great guy who is working hard to make Post 6 something of value, my comments in an earlier post should be taken as &quot;I think&quot; rather than &quot;I know&quot;.  I&#039;d hate to think I was seen as putting words in Timothy&#039;s mouth :)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Honest Girl</p>
<p>&#8220;The problem I have with Models and Fashion things of SL is that its all geared to the wanna be barbie.&#8221;</p>
<p>The internet and especially Second Life is the ultimate consumer democracy.  Create your own world (Hey, that would make a great slogan for one of those virtual world things I keep reading about!)</p>
<p>Create your own outlet for your expression and create your own world the way you&#8217;d like it to be.  Set up your own blog to highlight the less &#8220;Barbie&#8221; avatars and show people what can be done.  Set the example for others to follow if they see value in it.</p>
<p>Create your own shops selling creations that you&#8217;d see every day walking down the street rather than club/fetish fashions.  If people find value in it then they will follow.</p>
<p>@Scylla</p>
<p>Just a small point but I should add that although I&#8217;ve spoken to Timothy and think he&#8217;s a really great guy who is working hard to make Post 6 something of value, my comments in an earlier post should be taken as &#8220;I think&#8221; rather than &#8220;I know&#8221;.  I&#8217;d hate to think I was seen as putting words in Timothy&#8217;s mouth <img src='http://alphavilleherald.com/site/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Honest Girl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Honest Girl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 22:44:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whats the point in making negative comments?

To attack? Belittle? Try to change the world for all mankind? Or maybe to make yourself feel better?

Get the point people this was just a &quot;where are they now&quot; kind of post. Sure she needs to &quot;fix&quot; her avie a bit but as long as she likes it then who cares?

The problem I have with Models and Fashion things of SL is that its all geared to the wanna be barbie. I have seen MANY shorter avies walking around that are put together better then tall ones. Maybe someone should start a thing for the &quot;Real Ones&quot; of SL. The ones that don&#039;t want to be a barbie but rather just normal looking and not so normal looking (Tech, Goth or Furry).
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whats the point in making negative comments?</p>
<p>To attack? Belittle? Try to change the world for all mankind? Or maybe to make yourself feel better?</p>
<p>Get the point people this was just a &#8220;where are they now&#8221; kind of post. Sure she needs to &#8220;fix&#8221; her avie a bit but as long as she likes it then who cares?</p>
<p>The problem I have with Models and Fashion things of SL is that its all geared to the wanna be barbie. I have seen MANY shorter avies walking around that are put together better then tall ones. Maybe someone should start a thing for the &#8220;Real Ones&#8221; of SL. The ones that don&#8217;t want to be a barbie but rather just normal looking and not so normal looking (Tech, Goth or Furry).</p>
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		<title>By: Carmen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carmen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 13:55:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scylla,

Thankyou for the response and also your responses to others. I maintain though that only a very small majority would realy be excited by such nudity and its just fun, though i grant you that some men do see women as sex objects i don&#039;t know of any myself in rl or sl.
I have to say that i also dont feel that nudity is realy required for a good picture. Im keen on sl photography both avatars and nice sim&#039;s and enjoy posting them for others to enjoy. The only nude ones i have are a fairy theme and my friends love them. Others are all fully dressed. The point i make and agree with you on is does post 6 have to be fully nude to be fun? I actually look at the picture quality, scene, pose etc before i look at the av. I would love to do post 6 but im 1) not interesting and 2) not into nudity for nudity sakes.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scylla,</p>
<p>Thankyou for the response and also your responses to others. I maintain though that only a very small majority would realy be excited by such nudity and its just fun, though i grant you that some men do see women as sex objects i don&#8217;t know of any myself in rl or sl.<br />
I have to say that i also dont feel that nudity is realy required for a good picture. Im keen on sl photography both avatars and nice sim&#8217;s and enjoy posting them for others to enjoy. The only nude ones i have are a fairy theme and my friends love them. Others are all fully dressed. The point i make and agree with you on is does post 6 have to be fully nude to be fun? I actually look at the picture quality, scene, pose etc before i look at the av. I would love to do post 6 but im 1) not interesting and 2) not into nudity for nudity sakes.</p>
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		<title>By: oh dear</title>
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		<dc:creator>oh dear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 13:44:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scylla,

Most of the people here would have much healthier lives (emotionally and physically) if they backed off from SL; why is this such a hard concept to accept?  Marilyn and Lusty seem to be particularly caught up in it all.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scylla,</p>
<p>Most of the people here would have much healthier lives (emotionally and physically) if they backed off from SL; why is this such a hard concept to accept?  Marilyn and Lusty seem to be particularly caught up in it all.</p>
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		<title>By: Scylla Rhiadra</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scylla Rhiadra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 12:52:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Senban, I&#039;ll take your word for it that Timothy IS trying to take this feature in new and more intelligent directions . . . and trust that he has been reading this exchange. And, I&#039;ll keep a hopeful eye on this space in the future.

oh dear, it is precisely because the relationship between SL and RL is so complicated and slippery that issues like this become important.  Do you really think that even someone who is very conscious of the divide between RL and SL does not carry the impact of the experiences of the latter into RL?  Are we similarly unaffected by what we read, and what we watch at the movies or on TV?  Are companies that spend billions of dollars on advertising foolish, expecting that we will be influenced by the &quot;unreal&quot; images and information that they offer us?

SL may not be &quot;real life,&quot; but it&#039;s still very much a part of our experience.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Senban, I&#8217;ll take your word for it that Timothy IS trying to take this feature in new and more intelligent directions . . . and trust that he has been reading this exchange. And, I&#8217;ll keep a hopeful eye on this space in the future.</p>
<p>oh dear, it is precisely because the relationship between SL and RL is so complicated and slippery that issues like this become important.  Do you really think that even someone who is very conscious of the divide between RL and SL does not carry the impact of the experiences of the latter into RL?  Are we similarly unaffected by what we read, and what we watch at the movies or on TV?  Are companies that spend billions of dollars on advertising foolish, expecting that we will be influenced by the &#8220;unreal&#8221; images and information that they offer us?</p>
<p>SL may not be &#8220;real life,&#8221; but it&#8217;s still very much a part of our experience.</p>
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		<title>By: oh dear</title>
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		<dc:creator>oh dear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 08:36:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most of you are all still pathetic.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.time.com/time/specials/2007/article/0,28804,1638344_1638341_1633628,00.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.time.com/time/specials/2007/article/0,28804,1638344_1638341_1633628,00.html&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://online.wsj.com/public/article/SB118670164592393622.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://online.wsj.com/public/article/SB118670164592393622.html&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://hubpages.com/hub/SecondLife-addiction&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://hubpages.com/hub/SecondLife-addiction&lt;/a&gt;     &lt;------Marilyn, Lusty, and the rest of you that post in every thread, every day, without fail.



...finally, in all seriousness people.....go here:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://secondlifeaddiction.net/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://secondlifeaddiction.net/&lt;/a&gt;



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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most of you are all still pathetic.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.time.com/time/specials/2007/article/0,28804,1638344_1638341_1633628,00.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.time.com/time/specials/2007/article/0,28804,1638344_1638341_1633628,00.html</a></p>
<p><a href="http://online.wsj.com/public/article/SB118670164592393622.html" rel="nofollow">http://online.wsj.com/public/article/SB118670164592393622.html</a></p>
<p><a href="http://hubpages.com/hub/SecondLife-addiction" rel="nofollow">http://hubpages.com/hub/SecondLife-addiction</a>     < ------Marilyn, Lusty, and the rest of you that post in every thread, every day, without fail.</p>
<p>...finally, in all seriousness people.....go here:</p>
<p><a href="http://secondlifeaddiction.net/" rel="nofollow">http://secondlifeaddiction.net/</p>
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		<title>By: Senban Babii</title>
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		<dc:creator>Senban Babii</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 07:24:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scylla I actually agree with you more than I disagree with you, it has to be said.

But while the majority of Post 6 models are in fact Post 6 Grrrls, there *have* been Post 6 Guys, Post 6 Griefers, Post 6 Furries, Post 6 Robots and so on.  The balance does seem inclined towards the Grrrls though, it&#039;s true.

A good Post 6 model should have an avatar that is nice to look at; that&#039;s a given at the end of the day because that&#039;s partly what Post 6 is about.  But beyond that a Post 6 model needs to be far more than an air-headed bimbo that giggles and wiggles.  When the Herald publishes such empty and valueless Post 6 articles as Lusty&#039;s (and I honestly mean no disrespect to Lusty I promise) then yes, your argument sadly holds water.

Timothy is a good photographer in my opinion and a great guy who is working hard at doing a creative job of his Post 6 role (&quot;Where are they now&quot; articles, Post 6 parties etc) and I honestly think he can change Post 6 into something that has a bit more meaning while retaining an edge of titillation which in itself is part of the charm of Post 6.

Post 6 needs to be less about reinforcing the &quot;women == fuck toy&quot; image and more about highlighting beautiful and interesting avatars of *all* types whilst just keeping a subtle edge of titillation.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scylla I actually agree with you more than I disagree with you, it has to be said.</p>
<p>But while the majority of Post 6 models are in fact Post 6 Grrrls, there *have* been Post 6 Guys, Post 6 Griefers, Post 6 Furries, Post 6 Robots and so on.  The balance does seem inclined towards the Grrrls though, it&#8217;s true.</p>
<p>A good Post 6 model should have an avatar that is nice to look at; that&#8217;s a given at the end of the day because that&#8217;s partly what Post 6 is about.  But beyond that a Post 6 model needs to be far more than an air-headed bimbo that giggles and wiggles.  When the Herald publishes such empty and valueless Post 6 articles as Lusty&#8217;s (and I honestly mean no disrespect to Lusty I promise) then yes, your argument sadly holds water.</p>
<p>Timothy is a good photographer in my opinion and a great guy who is working hard at doing a creative job of his Post 6 role (&#8220;Where are they now&#8221; articles, Post 6 parties etc) and I honestly think he can change Post 6 into something that has a bit more meaning while retaining an edge of titillation which in itself is part of the charm of Post 6.</p>
<p>Post 6 needs to be less about reinforcing the &#8220;women == fuck toy&#8221; image and more about highlighting beautiful and interesting avatars of *all* types whilst just keeping a subtle edge of titillation.</p>
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