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		<title>By: IntLibber Brautigan</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2009/07/oped-second-life-needs-ad-farmers.html/comment-page-1#comment-4297</link>
		<dc:creator>IntLibber Brautigan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 20:08:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My count comes from the fact that I run 50+ regions of my own, and travel all over the grid. I work 16 hours a day in SL. If anything, with the new search, bots really have fallen out of usefulness as search placement traffic, group memberships and profile picks depend on the number that are verified accounts, which most bots aren&#039;t, so bots don&#039;t help search rank anymore.

Our most popular places, like ACE, City of Mascouten, the Military District of Graznovik (Badnarik and Salamis), Antare, Je T&#039;aime Fashions, and many other locations, achieve their top search ranking without using bots.

When LL banned traffic bots, the concurrency count dropped by maybe 5k-10k.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My count comes from the fact that I run 50+ regions of my own, and travel all over the grid. I work 16 hours a day in SL. If anything, with the new search, bots really have fallen out of usefulness as search placement traffic, group memberships and profile picks depend on the number that are verified accounts, which most bots aren&#8217;t, so bots don&#8217;t help search rank anymore.</p>
<p>Our most popular places, like ACE, City of Mascouten, the Military District of Graznovik (Badnarik and Salamis), Antare, Je T&#8217;aime Fashions, and many other locations, achieve their top search ranking without using bots.</p>
<p>When LL banned traffic bots, the concurrency count dropped by maybe 5k-10k.</p>
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		<title>By: Anya Ristow</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2009/07/oped-second-life-needs-ad-farmers.html/comment-page-1#comment-4296</link>
		<dc:creator>Anya Ristow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 21:28:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Int, you are still clueless. My bot counts do not rely on response from avatars. I only count the obvious ones. In fact, my description states clearly that if I can&#039;t tell, then I assume they are human. Even in a club with nothing but random stupid chat and nobody actually talking I have to assume they are human.

So, my counts are conservative.

These are not avatars busy in IM:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://greendots.typepad.com/.a/6a00e553a8b32a883301116864a8ec970c-popup&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://greendots.typepad.com/.a/6a00e553a8b32a883301116864a8ec970c-popup&lt;/a&gt;

They are bots. If you think there is even a remote chance otherwise then you are just dumb.

My math is simple counting and division. You still haven&#039;t said where your 10-20% number came from.



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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Int, you are still clueless. My bot counts do not rely on response from avatars. I only count the obvious ones. In fact, my description states clearly that if I can&#8217;t tell, then I assume they are human. Even in a club with nothing but random stupid chat and nobody actually talking I have to assume they are human.</p>
<p>So, my counts are conservative.</p>
<p>These are not avatars busy in IM:</p>
<p><a href="http://greendots.typepad.com/.a/6a00e553a8b32a883301116864a8ec970c-popup" rel="nofollow">http://greendots.typepad.com/.a/6a00e553a8b32a883301116864a8ec970c-popup</a></p>
<p>They are bots. If you think there is even a remote chance otherwise then you are just dumb.</p>
<p>My math is simple counting and division. You still haven&#8217;t said where your 10-20% number came from.</p>
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		<title>By: IntLibber Brautigan</title>
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		<dc:creator>IntLibber Brautigan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 17:20:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anya,
All you accomplish is identifying which avatars wish to respond to you or are arent using another application at that moment, or simply buried in IMs. Generally, people dont respond to someone who doesnt speak their language, and furthermore, they may not be at the computer that very moment, or in the SL viewer (i.e. doing photoshop making textures, checking email, browsing the web, etc etc). I&#039;ve seen often times strangers come up to me when I&#039;ve been using other applications, and tried to engage in conversation. I&#039;ll bet if you&#039;ve ever surveyed my sims, my avie has been counted as a bot due to nonresponsiveness, as I get buried in IMs very frequently.

After all, you can only spend so much time trying to get a response from each avatar if you are surveying hundreds of avies a day. Assuming you do this as a full time occupation (can&#039;t imagine who would pay you to do so but whatever), then 600 avies over 10 hours (or if you have a 10 person team doing an hour a day) means you have about five minutes to get a response from an avie. I go quiet in open chat for at least 10-15 minutes at a time many times a day due to the number of IMs I handle. Given SL is such a social media, I suspect many people are of a similar practice.

So no, I dont buy your claims of 50% being bots. I&#039;d say most of those &quot;bots&quot; are people who are buried in IMs or busy in another application at the time you are trying to get a resonse from them.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anya,<br />
All you accomplish is identifying which avatars wish to respond to you or are arent using another application at that moment, or simply buried in IMs. Generally, people dont respond to someone who doesnt speak their language, and furthermore, they may not be at the computer that very moment, or in the SL viewer (i.e. doing photoshop making textures, checking email, browsing the web, etc etc). I&#8217;ve seen often times strangers come up to me when I&#8217;ve been using other applications, and tried to engage in conversation. I&#8217;ll bet if you&#8217;ve ever surveyed my sims, my avie has been counted as a bot due to nonresponsiveness, as I get buried in IMs very frequently.</p>
<p>After all, you can only spend so much time trying to get a response from each avatar if you are surveying hundreds of avies a day. Assuming you do this as a full time occupation (can&#8217;t imagine who would pay you to do so but whatever), then 600 avies over 10 hours (or if you have a 10 person team doing an hour a day) means you have about five minutes to get a response from an avie. I go quiet in open chat for at least 10-15 minutes at a time many times a day due to the number of IMs I handle. Given SL is such a social media, I suspect many people are of a similar practice.</p>
<p>So no, I dont buy your claims of 50% being bots. I&#8217;d say most of those &#8220;bots&#8221; are people who are buried in IMs or busy in another application at the time you are trying to get a resonse from them.</p>
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		<title>By: Anya Ristow</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2009/07/oped-second-life-needs-ad-farmers.html/comment-page-1#comment-4294</link>
		<dc:creator>Anya Ristow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 07:47:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Bot counts run about 10%, MAYBE 20% of the concurrency at most, and there were plenty of bots back then too. So go back and take a remedial math class.&quot;

What math do you use to come up with your number? Mine is pretty thoroughly explained here: &lt;a href=&quot;http://greendots.typepad.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://greendots.typepad.com/&lt;/a&gt;

&quot;go back and take a remedial math class&quot;, always what people with no clue resort to. The argument style of a twelve-year-old.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Bot counts run about 10%, MAYBE 20% of the concurrency at most, and there were plenty of bots back then too. So go back and take a remedial math class.&#8221;</p>
<p>What math do you use to come up with your number? Mine is pretty thoroughly explained here: <a href="http://greendots.typepad.com/" rel="nofollow">http://greendots.typepad.com/</a></p>
<p>&#8220;go back and take a remedial math class&#8221;, always what people with no clue resort to. The argument style of a twelve-year-old.</p>
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		<title>By: Reality</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reality</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 04:11:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and before I forget ...

Second Life has NO real world analogue to compare it to: It is a piece of software, not a &quot;World&quot;, &quot;Country&quot;, &quot;Community&quot;, or &quot;Company Town&quot; - it is SOFTWARE, in particular a three dimensional AOL/Yahoo/MSN/Prodigy/Compuserve variant and is operated as such.

Don&#039;t like it?

Pack up and move on kiddo.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and before I forget &#8230;</p>
<p>Second Life has NO real world analogue to compare it to: It is a piece of software, not a &#8220;World&#8221;, &#8220;Country&#8221;, &#8220;Community&#8221;, or &#8220;Company Town&#8221; &#8211; it is SOFTWARE, in particular a three dimensional AOL/Yahoo/MSN/Prodigy/Compuserve variant and is operated as such.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t like it?</p>
<p>Pack up and move on kiddo.</p>
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		<title>By: Reality</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reality</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 04:07:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Intlib, was I talking to you? No - I was not, why would I, unless you made the mistake of addressing me?

Sorry, no dice: Second Life amounts to the exact same thing as AOL did and does. The only real difference between the two is the presence of three dimensional graphics.

AOL, Yahoo, MSN, MySpace, Facebook, etc - Not a one of these allows anything beyond THEIR definition of free speech.

Save your idiocy for someone that HAS NOT been around and used quite a few service providers and other internet access using software.

Instead of looking for what amounts to bullshit in terms of Second Life or any other service ... why not actually do some real research, hmm?

Come back when you&#039;re better educated in the way these services work - and have worked ever since their inception.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Intlib, was I talking to you? No &#8211; I was not, why would I, unless you made the mistake of addressing me?</p>
<p>Sorry, no dice: Second Life amounts to the exact same thing as AOL did and does. The only real difference between the two is the presence of three dimensional graphics.</p>
<p>AOL, Yahoo, MSN, MySpace, Facebook, etc &#8211; Not a one of these allows anything beyond THEIR definition of free speech.</p>
<p>Save your idiocy for someone that HAS NOT been around and used quite a few service providers and other internet access using software.</p>
<p>Instead of looking for what amounts to bullshit in terms of Second Life or any other service &#8230; why not actually do some real research, hmm?</p>
<p>Come back when you&#8217;re better educated in the way these services work &#8211; and have worked ever since their inception.</p>
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		<title>By: Witness X</title>
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		<dc:creator>Witness X</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 11:12:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL - what an idiot, Intblub!

Leave it to you to look at any situation and pick the wrong side.  No wonder you&#039;re practically bankrupt and nobody can stand being around you!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL &#8211; what an idiot, Intblub!</p>
<p>Leave it to you to look at any situation and pick the wrong side.  No wonder you&#8217;re practically bankrupt and nobody can stand being around you!</p>
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		<title>By: IntLibber Brautigan</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2009/07/oped-second-life-needs-ad-farmers.html/comment-page-1#comment-4290</link>
		<dc:creator>IntLibber Brautigan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 09:10:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Prok:
When have I ever had mainland beachfront at ALL never mind put up any banlines against people using the water? Never, sorry another one of your libelous lies to add to the case file.

The only fascism around here, prok, is your and Jack Linden&#039;s zoning concepts, advertising ban and jihad against &quot;microparcels&quot;. Telling people what they can and can&#039;t use their property for and threatening to steal it from them if they don&#039;t comply is the height of fascist tyranny. It&#039;s fascism when the supreme court sells out to municipal associations and developers, and its fascism when you rant your inane paranoid leninist conspiracy theories. You are a bigger hate monger than McCarthy and Farrakhan combined.

If someone uses their land abusively, there are plenty of things on the AR offense list to file against them besides engaging in legal and legitimate commerce. The governance team was intentionally lax on enforcing issues like harassment, spam, encroachment, offensive content, when it happened on mainland sims other than the sandboxes, linden villages and other linden locations, or sims owned entirely by large mainland slumlords. They were intentionally lax to build public support for pushing their british-socialist keynesianism on the grid (it&#039;s not an accident that most g-team members, besides being furrys and age players (publicly or in the closet), are brits working out of the Brighton office, they have zero respect for our rights, esp our property rights (note, property crime rates in Britain runs 3-5 times higher than in the US for a reason).

Also, Prok, your idea that landbots keep up prices is absolute hogwash (note since this article came out, the land botters took their parcels off the market to try to prove me wrong, you dont see LandNinjas or LandMachines selling at 2.1-2.5 L per sqm today, they&#039;ve bumped their prices to above 5L/sqm, and now land prices have shot upwards by over 2 L per sqm, in the past two days, the fastest increase in land prices since the boom days, funny how that happened). A market free of land bots is a market with rising prices. Landbots only push land prices up by staying off the market. Their game is to snap up cheap land at firesale prices and &#039;accidentally&#039; low prices, they certainly do NOT seek to push land prices up or they wont make any money. This falsehood of yours belies either intentional deceit on your part, or an example of your utter economic incompetence, you decide which...

Freedom of speech, btw, does not include the freedom to defame, as any first year law student, or anybody even pretending to be a fake journalist, would understand implicitly. The fact you can&#039;t conceive that your libel makes you legally liable, especially as you have no publication covering your legal behind, means anybody organizing, say, a grid-wide class action libel suit against you for mass libel, would have no problem winning in court and taking your home.

Reality,
&quot;Dearie&quot;, pull your head out of your favorite orifice. Linden Lab is a California corporation, not some pirate radio channel floating in international waters. They are legally responsible for the community they create, no matter if they bought some real land and built a company town for people to slave away in the mines of, or if they provide virtual land. A community is a community, and equates to a company town. LL is restrained by the US constitution from interfering in their residents constitutional rights, and no terms of service can abrogate that. Thats what &quot;inalienable&quot; means, get a dictionary, look it up. &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marsh_v._Alabama&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marsh_v._Alabama&lt;/a&gt; &lt; look that one up too.

Anya Ristow,
Bot counts run about 10%, MAYBE 20% of the concurrency at most, and there were plenty of bots back then too. So go back and take a remedial math class.

Simeon Beresford,
You are putting words in my mouth. I clearly stated the wrongs committed by ad farmers and other cutters, which you apparently chose to ignore. Now go back and read it again.

Alyx,
Yes, I tried to restrain myself to nothing but /b/tard memes in two lines of space, but it really didn&#039;t retain the same clarity and detail...kthxbai.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Prok:<br />
When have I ever had mainland beachfront at ALL never mind put up any banlines against people using the water? Never, sorry another one of your libelous lies to add to the case file.</p>
<p>The only fascism around here, prok, is your and Jack Linden&#8217;s zoning concepts, advertising ban and jihad against &#8220;microparcels&#8221;. Telling people what they can and can&#8217;t use their property for and threatening to steal it from them if they don&#8217;t comply is the height of fascist tyranny. It&#8217;s fascism when the supreme court sells out to municipal associations and developers, and its fascism when you rant your inane paranoid leninist conspiracy theories. You are a bigger hate monger than McCarthy and Farrakhan combined.</p>
<p>If someone uses their land abusively, there are plenty of things on the AR offense list to file against them besides engaging in legal and legitimate commerce. The governance team was intentionally lax on enforcing issues like harassment, spam, encroachment, offensive content, when it happened on mainland sims other than the sandboxes, linden villages and other linden locations, or sims owned entirely by large mainland slumlords. They were intentionally lax to build public support for pushing their british-socialist keynesianism on the grid (it&#8217;s not an accident that most g-team members, besides being furrys and age players (publicly or in the closet), are brits working out of the Brighton office, they have zero respect for our rights, esp our property rights (note, property crime rates in Britain runs 3-5 times higher than in the US for a reason).</p>
<p>Also, Prok, your idea that landbots keep up prices is absolute hogwash (note since this article came out, the land botters took their parcels off the market to try to prove me wrong, you dont see LandNinjas or LandMachines selling at 2.1-2.5 L per sqm today, they&#8217;ve bumped their prices to above 5L/sqm, and now land prices have shot upwards by over 2 L per sqm, in the past two days, the fastest increase in land prices since the boom days, funny how that happened). A market free of land bots is a market with rising prices. Landbots only push land prices up by staying off the market. Their game is to snap up cheap land at firesale prices and &#8216;accidentally&#8217; low prices, they certainly do NOT seek to push land prices up or they wont make any money. This falsehood of yours belies either intentional deceit on your part, or an example of your utter economic incompetence, you decide which&#8230;</p>
<p>Freedom of speech, btw, does not include the freedom to defame, as any first year law student, or anybody even pretending to be a fake journalist, would understand implicitly. The fact you can&#8217;t conceive that your libel makes you legally liable, especially as you have no publication covering your legal behind, means anybody organizing, say, a grid-wide class action libel suit against you for mass libel, would have no problem winning in court and taking your home.</p>
<p>Reality,<br />
&#8220;Dearie&#8221;, pull your head out of your favorite orifice. Linden Lab is a California corporation, not some pirate radio channel floating in international waters. They are legally responsible for the community they create, no matter if they bought some real land and built a company town for people to slave away in the mines of, or if they provide virtual land. A community is a community, and equates to a company town. LL is restrained by the US constitution from interfering in their residents constitutional rights, and no terms of service can abrogate that. Thats what &#8220;inalienable&#8221; means, get a dictionary, look it up. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marsh_v._Alabama" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marsh_v._Alabama</a> < look that one up too.</p>
<p>Anya Ristow,<br />
Bot counts run about 10%, MAYBE 20% of the concurrency at most, and there were plenty of bots back then too. So go back and take a remedial math class.</p>
<p>Simeon Beresford,<br />
You are putting words in my mouth. I clearly stated the wrongs committed by ad farmers and other cutters, which you apparently chose to ignore. Now go back and read it again.</p>
<p>Alyx,<br />
Yes, I tried to restrain myself to nothing but /b/tard memes in two lines of space, but it really didn&#8217;t retain the same clarity and detail&#8230;kthxbai.</p>
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		<title>By: Alyx Stoklitsky</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2009/07/oped-second-life-needs-ad-farmers.html/comment-page-1#comment-4289</link>
		<dc:creator>Alyx Stoklitsky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 23:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Reality</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2009/07/oped-second-life-needs-ad-farmers.html/comment-page-1#comment-4288</link>
		<dc:creator>Reality</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 09:42:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dearie?

There is NO &quot;Freedom of Speech&quot; in Second Life or ANY other internet service owned by a private company. The only &quot;freedom&quot; you have is what they allow: End of Story.

I am still waiting for you to wake up and realize that Second Life is an internet service and a computer program, not a &quot;world&quot; or a &quot;country&quot;.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dearie?</p>
<p>There is NO &#8220;Freedom of Speech&#8221; in Second Life or ANY other internet service owned by a private company. The only &#8220;freedom&#8221; you have is what they allow: End of Story.</p>
<p>I am still waiting for you to wake up and realize that Second Life is an internet service and a computer program, not a &#8220;world&#8221; or a &#8220;country&#8221;.</p>
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