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	<title>Comments on: Eros, LLC v. Linden Research: Initial observations</title>
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		<title>By: Derek L</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2009/09/eros-llc-v-linden-research-initial-observations.html/comment-page-1#comment-3165</link>
		<dc:creator>Derek L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 02:55:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, it doesn&#039;t ignore that part of the ToS - it treats it as what it is... irrelevant.

That second part is what allow LL to store your creations and serve up copies of them via the client.  It does not allow other users to copy or resell those creations.  It&#039;s the same way the copyright notice at the bottom of this page registers your ownership of the content, and while it&#039;s legal for me to display it on my screen, it&#039;s not legal for me to cut and paste the text and claim it as my own.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, it doesn&#8217;t ignore that part of the ToS &#8211; it treats it as what it is&#8230; irrelevant.</p>
<p>That second part is what allow LL to store your creations and serve up copies of them via the client.  It does not allow other users to copy or resell those creations.  It&#8217;s the same way the copyright notice at the bottom of this page registers your ownership of the content, and while it&#8217;s legal for me to display it on my screen, it&#8217;s not legal for me to cut and paste the text and claim it as my own.</p>
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		<title>By: Sinden Lucks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sinden Lucks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 08:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People don&#039;t get it. When you sign up for Second Life, they own your goods, own your content, and own your ass.

That is the TOS.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People don&#8217;t get it. When you sign up for Second Life, they own your goods, own your content, and own your ass.</p>
<p>That is the TOS.</p>
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		<title>By: Jumpman Lane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jumpman Lane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 18:24:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Strokerisanidiot yup! only the attornies win, and perhspa Ol&#039; Stroke himself. This publicity stunt returns him to ARL media prominence. He has that since of championing the rights of the little man (Hot damn he&#039;s a hero!). Yet, look at the effects on US, the residents of Second Life, irrespective of wheter or not The Old man wins or not. Linden Lab has a history of overreaching, over reacting in its anticipation of govt regulation or costly litigation. In short THEY MEDDLE (for good or ill) on the grid. (Gambling Ban, age play ban, banking ban etc. etc.). This lawsuit can only result in more stringent Linden intervention in our Second Lives. (Thanx Stroke!)

DO people actually steal Ol&#039; Stroke&#039;s content and resell it for a profit. I know for a fact that they DO. Cheergirl Allen (one of his minions and a former pal of mine) IMED me one Saturday bitching and moaning about some crappy yardsale where her new sexgen sex somthing was for sale at a discount, one item at a time over and over. More of these discpounted items had been sold than Ol&#039; Stroke and Cheer herself had sold. The content had been stolen.

I saw a story in it, but not on the scandalous scope of our own slut magazine so I IMED my pal Pixeleen Mistral and told her all about it. I even went so far as to tp Pix to this yardsale which was a haven for content theft (as itens that were non transfer like sine wave dances were for sale at a huge discount alongside other purloined goods). As Pix and I yapped and pieced the story together an even better sorty emerged. Cheer mentioned to me that all the rezzed Sexgen beds atm had been borked by an absent-minded pesky Linden, and Ol&#039; Stroke was keepin mum about it. I mentioned allthis to Pixellen who spoke with Cheer and Stroke and broke THAT story instead). My POINT is not that Jump Lane is sittin pretty in the midst of all this SL DRAMA or even that Ol&#039; Jump is privvy to all sorts om monumental happenings. MY POINT, is that I am CONVINCED that Stroker Serpentine IS an injured party in this matter. I am CONVINCED that there are evil forces which SHOULD be brought to justice. Yet, I&#039;m also convinced that suing the Lindens is viewed by the Eros camp as a publicity stunt and not a true means of addressing their LEGIT grievances. Weeks ago a mutual pal mentioned to me (heheh ok a Slut Mag spy! Yus I have spies everywhere!) that Stroker had something HUGE in the works that would return both him and his brand to relevance again. (In that my pal was correct. Congrats Stroke :)). The result for the rest of us is not so cheery!

If Linden Lab institutes one unpopular, intrusive, draconian measure, or suffers any undue financial loss passed on to the rest of us, or god forbid, Second Life is regulated out of existence out of a misguided desire for rl and sl publicity, PUBLICITY! Then we all suffer because of the misguided meglomania of a second rate, overpriced sex-bed&#039;s theft? (I personally declined to buy one at a huge discount at this yardsale because it was crappy, have spent hours wandering through the Eros mainstore willing to pay ANY price for that next great sex object but walked away because they were too crappy, gave my dragon sexbed to an old pal who didnt use it because there is way better stuff, AND I personally have always admired Ol&#039; Stroke: so I dont feel so bad characterizing it all thus).

Point blank I side with the Lindens. I make my stand with Linden Lab. They are not the proper target in any fight to champion ip rights. They are not the proper party from which to seek legal redress in any court of law concerning ip rights in their world. Linden Lab has unqeustionably made good faith best efforts to protect the property rights of creators using their service. Period. Requiring, anything else from them beyond the already well established channels of combatting content theft would subject us all to needless, draconion rules, RULES so that one man&#039;s EGO may be satisfied.

I am on the RECORD in my opposition of content theft. ON THE RECORD in MY fight against the content thief Chelsea Malibu, of the now defunct Mountainmeister LLC, form business partner and associant and minion of Stroker Serpentine. Chelsea Malibu STOLE Redgrave Skins and passed them around SL and the Eros Empire, a known fact! So this whole sanctimonius cloak is a bit natty.

I cant put it any better: Yay Linden Lab! Boo Eros!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Strokerisanidiot yup! only the attornies win, and perhspa Ol&#8217; Stroke himself. This publicity stunt returns him to ARL media prominence. He has that since of championing the rights of the little man (Hot damn he&#8217;s a hero!). Yet, look at the effects on US, the residents of Second Life, irrespective of wheter or not The Old man wins or not. Linden Lab has a history of overreaching, over reacting in its anticipation of govt regulation or costly litigation. In short THEY MEDDLE (for good or ill) on the grid. (Gambling Ban, age play ban, banking ban etc. etc.). This lawsuit can only result in more stringent Linden intervention in our Second Lives. (Thanx Stroke!)</p>
<p>DO people actually steal Ol&#8217; Stroke&#8217;s content and resell it for a profit. I know for a fact that they DO. Cheergirl Allen (one of his minions and a former pal of mine) IMED me one Saturday bitching and moaning about some crappy yardsale where her new sexgen sex somthing was for sale at a discount, one item at a time over and over. More of these discpounted items had been sold than Ol&#8217; Stroke and Cheer herself had sold. The content had been stolen.</p>
<p>I saw a story in it, but not on the scandalous scope of our own slut magazine so I IMED my pal Pixeleen Mistral and told her all about it. I even went so far as to tp Pix to this yardsale which was a haven for content theft (as itens that were non transfer like sine wave dances were for sale at a huge discount alongside other purloined goods). As Pix and I yapped and pieced the story together an even better sorty emerged. Cheer mentioned to me that all the rezzed Sexgen beds atm had been borked by an absent-minded pesky Linden, and Ol&#8217; Stroke was keepin mum about it. I mentioned allthis to Pixellen who spoke with Cheer and Stroke and broke THAT story instead). My POINT is not that Jump Lane is sittin pretty in the midst of all this SL DRAMA or even that Ol&#8217; Jump is privvy to all sorts om monumental happenings. MY POINT, is that I am CONVINCED that Stroker Serpentine IS an injured party in this matter. I am CONVINCED that there are evil forces which SHOULD be brought to justice. Yet, I&#8217;m also convinced that suing the Lindens is viewed by the Eros camp as a publicity stunt and not a true means of addressing their LEGIT grievances. Weeks ago a mutual pal mentioned to me (heheh ok a Slut Mag spy! Yus I have spies everywhere!) that Stroker had something HUGE in the works that would return both him and his brand to relevance again. (In that my pal was correct. Congrats Stroke <img src='http://alphavilleherald.com/site/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> ). The result for the rest of us is not so cheery!</p>
<p>If Linden Lab institutes one unpopular, intrusive, draconian measure, or suffers any undue financial loss passed on to the rest of us, or god forbid, Second Life is regulated out of existence out of a misguided desire for rl and sl publicity, PUBLICITY! Then we all suffer because of the misguided meglomania of a second rate, overpriced sex-bed&#8217;s theft? (I personally declined to buy one at a huge discount at this yardsale because it was crappy, have spent hours wandering through the Eros mainstore willing to pay ANY price for that next great sex object but walked away because they were too crappy, gave my dragon sexbed to an old pal who didnt use it because there is way better stuff, AND I personally have always admired Ol&#8217; Stroke: so I dont feel so bad characterizing it all thus).</p>
<p>Point blank I side with the Lindens. I make my stand with Linden Lab. They are not the proper target in any fight to champion ip rights. They are not the proper party from which to seek legal redress in any court of law concerning ip rights in their world. Linden Lab has unqeustionably made good faith best efforts to protect the property rights of creators using their service. Period. Requiring, anything else from them beyond the already well established channels of combatting content theft would subject us all to needless, draconion rules, RULES so that one man&#8217;s EGO may be satisfied.</p>
<p>I am on the RECORD in my opposition of content theft. ON THE RECORD in MY fight against the content thief Chelsea Malibu, of the now defunct Mountainmeister LLC, form business partner and associant and minion of Stroker Serpentine. Chelsea Malibu STOLE Redgrave Skins and passed them around SL and the Eros Empire, a known fact! So this whole sanctimonius cloak is a bit natty.</p>
<p>I cant put it any better: Yay Linden Lab! Boo Eros!</p>
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		<title>By: Strokerisanidiot</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2009/09/eros-llc-v-linden-research-initial-observations.html/comment-page-1#comment-3162</link>
		<dc:creator>Strokerisanidiot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 10:58:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nobody but attorneys win in class action suits.  if LL loses, expect everyone on the grid to be charged $ to play to pay for this stupidity.


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