Comments on: Brown Suede Boots With EULA http://alphavilleherald.com/2009/10/brown-suede-boots-with-an-eula.html Always Fairly Unbalanced Tue, 04 Oct 2016 13:18:56 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1 By: Star Fairymeadow http://alphavilleherald.com/2009/10/brown-suede-boots-with-an-eula.html/comment-page-1#comment-2708 Star Fairymeadow Wed, 09 Dec 2009 05:41:20 +0000 http://localhost/wp_2/?p=131#comment-2708 I love how it's become a witch hunt and people lump all merchants into one category. Not everyone is an attention monger and we aren't all out "to get you" and "rip off your money". I think my customers are well taken care of and I try to do what's right by them. No where in my post above did I say anything about mod items, but I some how got a response talking about mod items. Personally, I like that people can take what I've made and make it their own. It makes them unique and I've seen some pretty cool things happen with stuff that I've made. What I WAS replying to is the fact that content theft is real whether you all want to believe that or not. No where in my post did I imply that modding an item was stealing it. I love how it’s become a witch hunt and people lump all merchants into one category. Not everyone is an attention monger and we aren’t all out “to get you” and “rip off your money”. I think my customers are well taken care of and I try to do what’s right by them. No where in my post above did I say anything about mod items, but I some how got a response talking about mod items. Personally, I like that people can take what I’ve made and make it their own. It makes them unique and I’ve seen some pretty cool things happen with stuff that I’ve made. What I WAS replying to is the fact that content theft is real whether you all want to believe that or not. No where in my post did I imply that modding an item was stealing it.

]]> By: Just A Boy http://alphavilleherald.com/2009/10/brown-suede-boots-with-an-eula.html/comment-page-1#comment-2707 Just A Boy Wed, 28 Oct 2009 20:38:38 +0000 http://localhost/wp_2/?p=131#comment-2707 Wow, A LOT of misinformation and buyer haughtiness going on here. Someone wrote: "You bought it, you own it. End of story, ignore those silly restrictions. Content creators - if you don't want people to own stuff you've made, don't sell it." Youre wrong. Have you ever purchased stock images from a stock website? When you buy the license to use a stock image, you do not own the image. If are only granted a license to use that image. There is no transferring of IP rights going on. Same thing inside of SL. If there were indeed transferring of IP rights, then you would be able to change perms on the item, resell them, do whatever you please. But youre not, unless the specified creator has given you to be the new copyright holder. I will say, this girls license is asking too much. If her shoes are sold with copy permissions, she has no ground to tell buyers to only make one copy. However, people getting all upset over it and screaming "I bought it its mine!" is sorely mistaken. We are dealing with digital content. And much like stock photos - upon purchase, you do not become the copyright holder. If you dont like it, dont buy it! Wow, A LOT of misinformation and buyer haughtiness going on here.

Someone wrote:

“You bought it, you own it. End of story, ignore those silly restrictions. Content creators – if you don’t want people to own stuff you’ve made, don’t sell it.”

Youre wrong. Have you ever purchased stock images from a stock website? When you buy the license to use a stock image, you do not own the image. If are only granted a license to use that image. There is no transferring of IP rights going on. Same thing inside of SL. If there were indeed transferring of IP rights, then you would be able to change perms on the item, resell them, do whatever you please. But youre not, unless the specified creator has given you to be the new copyright holder.

I will say, this girls license is asking too much. If her shoes are sold with copy permissions, she has no ground to tell buyers to only make one copy.

However, people getting all upset over it and screaming “I bought it its mine!” is sorely mistaken. We are dealing with digital content. And much like stock photos – upon purchase, you do not become the copyright holder.

If you dont like it, dont buy it!

]]> By: Senban Babii http://alphavilleherald.com/2009/10/brown-suede-boots-with-an-eula.html/comment-page-1#comment-2706 Senban Babii Sat, 24 Oct 2009 20:30:30 +0000 http://localhost/wp_2/?p=131#comment-2706 PocoLoco said - "This false notion is debunked within the grafx of the article itself. A clear screencap of auditing the content of a vendor BEFORE purchase. Clearly labeled and with perms to allow reading before purchase is an "End User License Agreement." What more do you insufferable avatars want?" Umm, no. I think that's what they call a fail? Firstly, while the content of the vendor shown in the image shows that there *is* an EULA, that doesn't mean it's available to be read before purchase (because it isn't). However, being all curious I just went to have a look at these boots. The EULA seems to have vanished from inside the vendor for these particular boots. However I did notice that not every item of footwear in the store shows the vendor contents before purchase. Many have the fast pay option only (and I wasn't prepared to waste money to find out). Further mooching around showed that a few of the other objects in the store still have EULAs inside the vendor though. It's possible that a few have simply been overlooked and they'll be removed before long. PocoLoco said – “This false notion is debunked within the grafx of the article itself. A clear screencap of auditing the content of a vendor BEFORE purchase. Clearly labeled and with perms to allow reading before purchase is an “End User License Agreement.” What more do you insufferable avatars want?”

Umm, no. I think that’s what they call a fail?

Firstly, while the content of the vendor shown in the image shows that there *is* an EULA, that doesn’t mean it’s available to be read before purchase (because it isn’t).

However, being all curious I just went to have a look at these boots. The EULA seems to have vanished from inside the vendor for these particular boots. However I did notice that not every item of footwear in the store shows the vendor contents before purchase. Many have the fast pay option only (and I wasn’t prepared to waste money to find out). Further mooching around showed that a few of the other objects in the store still have EULAs inside the vendor though. It’s possible that a few have simply been overlooked and they’ll be removed before long.

]]> By: PocoLoco http://alphavilleherald.com/2009/10/brown-suede-boots-with-an-eula.html/comment-page-1#comment-2705 PocoLoco Sat, 24 Oct 2009 17:46:20 +0000 http://localhost/wp_2/?p=131#comment-2705 I'm not about to take sides on this issue. I do take exception with some statements on both sides. We've been hearing for far too long the complaints of so called content creators with regards to their dwindling sales and how that is directly related to abuse of IP (intellectual property) rights. Sounds to me like y'all had a wake up call back in '06. This is neither a stable and reliable platform nor is it safe and secure. This completely leaves aside the notion of even asking in the first place if this could and if so how could this be a sustainable market for "commodities." Now onto the disingenuous posts here about not having had a chance to read any EULA before purchase. This false notion is debunked within the grafx of the article itself. A clear screencap of auditing the content of a vendor BEFORE purchase. Clearly labeled and with perms to allow reading before purchase is an "End User License Agreement." What more do you insufferable avatars want? While I do agree that in the current environment such a License is for all intents and purposes completely unenforceable, it IS available for review PRIOR to purchase. Kudos to the creator for at least allowing such a review of content. There are prim vendors that do not allow such a perusal of content and their owners deserve all the lost sales such a vendor will inevitably generate. I’m not about to take sides on this issue. I do take exception with some statements on both sides. We’ve been hearing for far too long the complaints of so called content creators with regards to their dwindling sales and how that is directly related to abuse of IP (intellectual property) rights. Sounds to me like y’all had a wake up call back in ’06. This is neither a stable and reliable platform nor is it safe and secure. This completely leaves aside the notion of even asking in the first place if this could and if so how could this be a sustainable market for “commodities.”

Now onto the disingenuous posts here about not having had a chance to read any EULA before purchase. This false notion is debunked within the grafx of the article itself. A clear screencap of auditing the content of a vendor BEFORE purchase. Clearly labeled and with perms to allow reading before purchase is an “End User License Agreement.” What more do you insufferable avatars want?
While I do agree that in the current environment such a License is for all intents and purposes completely unenforceable, it IS available for review PRIOR to purchase. Kudos to the creator for at least allowing such a review of content. There are prim vendors that do not allow such a perusal of content and their owners deserve all the lost sales such a vendor will inevitably generate.

]]> By: NotAnotherPenny http://alphavilleherald.com/2009/10/brown-suede-boots-with-an-eula.html/comment-page-1#comment-2704 NotAnotherPenny Thu, 22 Oct 2009 14:41:18 +0000 http://localhost/wp_2/?p=131#comment-2704 Also, those are the FUGLIEST boots I have ever seen. She using an SL design circa 2006 or something? Egh! Also, those are the FUGLIEST boots I have ever seen. She using an SL design circa 2006 or something? Egh!

]]> By: Coke Supply http://alphavilleherald.com/2009/10/brown-suede-boots-with-an-eula.html/comment-page-1#comment-2703 Coke Supply Thu, 22 Oct 2009 14:02:05 +0000 http://localhost/wp_2/?p=131#comment-2703 I just sent this message to Melanie in a notecard; Dear Melanie, I bought some new boots from you but was unable to read the EULA until after I purchased the boots. Therefore I didn't and couldn't agree to the EULA at the point of sale. However, I love the boots and I am keeping them. Regards, Coke Supply I just sent this message to Melanie in a notecard;

Dear Melanie,

I bought some new boots from you but was unable to read the EULA until after I purchased the boots. Therefore I didn’t and couldn’t agree to the EULA at the point of sale. However, I love the boots and I am keeping them.

Regards,

Coke Supply

]]> By: Coke Supply http://alphavilleherald.com/2009/10/brown-suede-boots-with-an-eula.html/comment-page-1#comment-2702 Coke Supply Thu, 22 Oct 2009 13:46:22 +0000 http://localhost/wp_2/?p=131#comment-2702 Hmmm.... If I buy the boots, do I have the right to disagree to the EULA if I can't read it till after the purchase? What I mean is... if I want to keep the boots but didn't get the chance to read the EULA until after the purchase, can I just tell Melanie to shove the EULA up her arse and carry on wearing the boots? I'm off to her store to find out :) Hmmm…. If I buy the boots, do I have the right to disagree to the EULA if I can’t read it till after the purchase?

What I mean is… if I want to keep the boots but didn’t get the chance to read the EULA until after the purchase, can I just tell Melanie to shove the EULA up her arse and carry on wearing the boots?

I’m off to her store to find out :)

]]> By: Tristesse http://alphavilleherald.com/2009/10/brown-suede-boots-with-an-eula.html/comment-page-1#comment-2701 Tristesse Wed, 21 Oct 2009 22:57:01 +0000 http://localhost/wp_2/?p=131#comment-2701 All rights not expressly granted in this EULA are reserved by Melanie Zhao. All copyrights, and other intellectual property rights to the Content are exclusively owned by Melanie Zhao. Are you allowed to hold rights of ownership by law under a pseudonym? I will respect copyright ownership when I see a registered business name and contact information. Until then, you can put whatever you like in the notecard i never read, and I will do what I please with the boots I bought. All rights not expressly granted in this EULA are reserved by Melanie Zhao. All copyrights, and other intellectual property rights to the Content are exclusively owned by Melanie Zhao.

Are you allowed to hold rights of ownership by law under a pseudonym? I will respect copyright ownership when I see a registered business name and contact information. Until then, you can put whatever you like in the notecard i never read, and I will do what I please with the boots I bought.

]]> By: NotAnotherPenny http://alphavilleherald.com/2009/10/brown-suede-boots-with-an-eula.html/comment-page-1#comment-2700 NotAnotherPenny Wed, 21 Oct 2009 21:05:30 +0000 http://localhost/wp_2/?p=131#comment-2700 I for one have had it with certain people in SL (not even content creators necessarily) trying to up their "exposure" by crying out burn the content thiefs while dressed in their straight from the runway copy of a RL dress translated to SL. Call it what it is...a witch hunt designed to remove as many people who create anything in SL so that they or their "friends" will benefit. As someone who has been in SL for almost 4 years (and has spent a great deal of lindens), I will NEVER purchase another thing in SL. I refuse to put another penny into the pockets of the whinny, hypocrites who could give a shit about what's being "stolen" but only want to promote their own agenda. I for one have had it with certain people in SL (not even content creators necessarily) trying to up their “exposure” by crying out burn the content thiefs while dressed in their straight from the runway copy of a RL dress translated to SL. Call it what it is…a witch hunt designed to remove as many people who create anything in SL so that they or their “friends” will benefit. As someone who has been in SL for almost 4 years (and has spent a great deal of lindens), I will NEVER purchase another thing in SL. I refuse to put another penny into the pockets of the whinny, hypocrites who could give a shit about what’s being “stolen” but only want to promote their own agenda.

]]> By: LittleLostLinden http://alphavilleherald.com/2009/10/brown-suede-boots-with-an-eula.html/comment-page-1#comment-2699 LittleLostLinden Tue, 20 Oct 2009 19:59:44 +0000 http://localhost/wp_2/?p=131#comment-2699 I agree with the people stating IP rights have gone too far. It's getting ridiculous. Like the mother who d/led 23 songs or however many and was asked to pay over 2 million dollars. That is just wrong no matter how you look at it. The music isn't worth that kind of steep fine, and neither is anything in SL. I can just see it now. Someone copied a piece of clothing in SL and gets sued for $3 million US dollars. Give me a break. When will if end? I agree with the people stating IP rights have gone too far. It’s getting ridiculous. Like the mother who d/led 23 songs or however many and was asked to pay over 2 million dollars. That is just wrong no matter how you look at it. The music isn’t worth that kind of steep fine, and neither is anything in SL. I can just see it now. Someone copied a piece of clothing in SL and gets sued for $3 million US dollars. Give me a break. When will if end?

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