Comments on: NeilLife Blog Blown Up – Copybot Client Claims Script Exploit

By: Father Jones

Father Jones — Wed, 01 Sep 2010 09:23:16 +0000

In case you did not know: Aargle Zymurgy is a friend of several linden employees and has a criminal understanding with some of them. They are protecting him and what more is: give him information he should not know about inside facts comming out of the Linden Lab databases about other residents and their projects. G-team members of LL are brutally raping the principles of their company by providing private information about SL-members to their friend Tim (Aargle Zymurgy). He doesn’t like a resident getting in his way? He contacts his crooky friends at LL and gets the info he needs. He wants someone to get banned? He uses a simple trick they thought him: gather enough friendly residents in the sim where your target resident is logged in -> all file abuse report against that target resident at same time -> meanwhile Tim contacts one of his crooky linden friends and BAM: the target resident gets banned and afterwards perma-banned. The G-team is covered that way by many abuse reports so it all looks normal procedure. That is how things work. We proved this towards Linden Lab management with material including voice messages between Tim and the crooks. They like to talk through voice you know and are that dumb to believe nobody is recording… One of the crooks at Linden Lab already busted for such activity’s is Teagan Linden. She was fired a while ago… More to come !

By: The brain drain… « Starflower Bracken's Blog

The brain drain… « Starflower Bracken's Blog — Mon, 16 Aug 2010 15:08:53 +0000

[...] that all-out war has erupted between Emerald factions, the most notable being over the longstanding NeilLife [...]

By: Amber lier Seondlife

Amber lier Seondlife — Sun, 16 May 2010 02:27:36 +0000

I LOVE TO COPYBOT!

By: JuanFra

JuanFra — Tue, 11 May 2010 09:33:15 +0000

(En otro foro anglófono me han borrado el mensaje sin explicación alguna. La única norma que rompe mi mensaje es decir la verdad –que debe de ser considerado algo muy grave y peligroso, por lo visto–. Esto me ha decidido a informar de su existencia a varios medios, así como a publicarlo en otros medios de Internet por si acaso, para que todo el mundo conozca esta realidad cuanto antes. Además, lo amplío más cada vez que me sea borrado, pero siempre en el siguiente foro.)

Una de las pruebas que hace pensar a todo el mundo que LL no es trigo limpio tampoco en esto es que permite que el Gemini CDS haga lo que quiera a pesar de estar claramente infrigiendo normas del propio TOS (cuando menos). Evitar que ***nadie*** pueda copiar ***nada*** en SL es facilísimo: basta con programar desde el lado del server unos filtros que impidan que se pueda descargar a un ordenador nada que no cumpla unas determinadas condiciones. Si LL no lo hace es porque de algún modo no le conviene. Algunas de sus facciones está queriendo ahora hacer que creamos que el CDS es un sofisticadísimo sistema de deteccion Pero nada más lejos de la realidad

Hay una explicacion muchísimo mas sencilla sobre cómo funciona el CDS. Si aplicamos la navaja de Occam seguro que muchos estarán de acuerdo en que es la más probable:

La mayoría de los visores con funciones ilegales han sido hechos por el mismo equipo de hackers aparentando ser distintas personas (incluso peleadas entre ellas, para dar más veracidad al engaño). Estos hackers venden sus visores ilegales trucados y con dichos visores, además de sacar el dinero a la gente en la venta, sin que ellos lo sepan les toman sus datos de nombre de avatar y password al conectarse (es extremadamente fácil de hacer y todos recordarán la cantidad de comentarios que se han leído en los foros acerca de que al conectarse siempre fallaban la primera vez con cada avatar nuevo, misteriosamente) Estos datos van directamente a la base de datos que hoy se usa en el Gemini CDS, junto con el nombre del visor utilizado y alguna que otra información más.

Después este mismo equipo finge haber inventado un gran sistema de detección de visores ilegales (como el CDS) y cobra dinero también por utilizarlo, así como cobra dinero por quitar de esa base de datos los nombres de quienes lo paguen (sin hacerlo público, claro). Por cierto, en esa base de datos hay mucha gente que jamás ha usado un visor ilegal, pero que ha sido incluída ahí por Skills Hak para perjudicarlos por ser competidores peligrosos o gente de la que se quería vengar; como no tiene que demostrar nada puede hacerlo cuando le venga en gana. Es decir, es todo un negocio pensado así ya de antemano desde el principio. Un negocio que LL debería abortar ahora mismo si es que no tiene nada que ver con dicho negocio.

De ese modo es fácil comprender por qué y cómo los nombres están en esa base de datos y por qué puede saberse de antemano cuáles son todos los alters utilizados por la misma persona y por qué esa persona queda baneada automáticamente a través de cualquiera de sus nombres de avatar, aunque ya no utilice nunca más alguno de los visores ilegales por los cuales averiguaron sus datos.

Los expertos en estos temas aquí sabrán que lo que he dicho es muchísimo más fácil y simple de hacer que cualquier sistema de diálogo HTTP interno mediante scripts hacia el parcel multimedia

Por cierto, he podido comprobar que una de las cosas para las que sí que funciona realmente el CDS es para enmascarar cualquier labor de copia ilegal que Skills Hak quiera realizar con su script en el terreno de quien lo instale (y tambien con bots no necesariamente en el mismo terreno) El aparato permite copiar libremente al disco duro de Skills Hak y sus secuaces (Ash Qin, LukaStar Mattercaster, Cinndreia Messmer, GEMINIbot Inventor, Lonely Bluebird, Fractured Crystal) todo lo que se halle en el terreno que lo tenga instalado, constantemente. Incluso cualquier cosa que se ponga después. Además, también permite que algunos visores ilegales fabricados por ella puedan conectarse a ese terreno sin ser detectados ni por LL. ¡Menudo negocio han hecho los dueños de tiendas dejándose engañar por hackers! DD Les está bien empleado por creer ciegamente en algo que jamás les han mostrado ni demostrado y que encima perjudica a sus clientes actuales y a todos sus clientes potenciales.

By: Tux Winkler

Tux Winkler — Tue, 20 Apr 2010 09:39:52 +0000

From 3PVP:

“8.b. We may analyze any Third-Party Viewer and its code, content, and data for any reason, including to ensure that the application complies with our policies and is safe for users. Although we do not guarantee that we will conduct such an analysis, we may do so in our sole discretion.”

MAY being the key word, LL cannot possible police the various source code. Which is why the 3PVP is simply a massive get out clause for LL. So, once your entire works are copybotted, you cannot sue LL because they will say ‘Well we have told people they are not allowed to use a copybot enabled viewer, We have done our bit!’.

By: Jocelyn Pawpad

Jocelyn Pawpad — Tue, 20 Apr 2010 03:11:36 +0000

@ Tux

I honestly couldn’t tell you if it was or wasn’t. I imagine LL would at least make a cursory attempt to establish if the code tallied with the compiled version, otherwise their revised TOS is little more than a bag of hot air. Only if you and I were physically standing behind them when the act was done would we truly know if they had done this.

By: Tux Winkler

Tux Winkler — Mon, 19 Apr 2010 22:27:52 +0000

Is the Emerald source is the same as the distributed compiled viewer?

Any TPV is at risk from a coder going haywire without anyone knowing!

By: Armeiro Bellic

Armeiro Bellic — Mon, 19 Apr 2010 20:12:26 +0000

Rogue viewers are dangerous, as they are closed source and may relay passwords to their creators at any moment.
Worse than that … rogue viewers can relay also lindens and inventory items.
If someone wants to “go haywire” on SL, I would recommend a proxy.
http://openmetaverse.blogspot.com/ has one of the best proxies around, and it is free, and opensource.

By: Jocelyn Pawpad

Jocelyn Pawpad — Mon, 19 Apr 2010 19:25:08 +0000

And it doesn’t take a scientist to take the tools readily available through SL and a few third party apps (legally purchased OR otherwise), marry them with a bunch of textures and/or scripts (again legally purchased or otherwise) and create builds and/or clothes. You need to get off your high horse SMH, there’s nothing Zingo or Bloodlines are doing in selling their work and having it ripped off them and what you do. Ultimately all of you are creating content of one sort or another, which in a metaverse boils down to *entertainment* and expecting a little cut for your time… and these rogue users are muscling in on that.

Worse, you bitch about Emerald having to shoulder the blame for having the audacity to showcase their prowess… and yet they haven’t required linden one for any of their efforts. And as for blaming Linden Labs… ffs! Who provided you with the infrastructure to make your piles of cash in the first place? If you’ve lost 50,000 USD, I have to figure you’d made a lot more besides, yet here you are snapping at the hand that feeds you?

Jesus, get a grip already. Running about snarling at other *creators* in the game and the people who enjoy their content (as you did when you spouted about Bloodlines users) is not going to win you any friends here.

By: SMH

SMH — Mon, 19 Apr 2010 07:24:48 +0000

You know whats even funnier you all claim Emerald and Gemini are so good!
Emerald has IMPORT LINKSET. Which is also a copybot function. As for Gemini CDS ban and Blacklist its a crock of bullshit. Theres youtube videos and people getting around them all the time. You think for one minute inf and neil are done? theres worse ones then these 2 you have no clue about. Inf and Neil are just the ones who got your attention.

Secondlife and Emerald are who there is to blame for the viewers and copybots . You’s handed out open source codes to the viewers so you’s caused the chaos going on in Second Life.

I myself am a builder, scripter and designer in SecondLife and have had over 50,000 USD stolen from me in game due to these viewers. Unlinking them DOES NOT work the viewers still take them. So i write reports? NO FOR WHAT? So you can ban them they reload windows and come right back to SL and do it all over again and now its worse because you pissed them off. If anyones to blame its Linden Labs and Emerald for releasing open source codes. As Far as INF and Neil stand they aint putting out viewers nomore now its more dangerous stuff you gotta watch for.

With that said you all have a nice day.
and PS. Bloodlines is old news already your stupid little vampires are already banned from hundreds of sims. So quit cryin
and Zyngo stop bitchin u stole ur idea from Slingo and just got rich off scripting shit where people can hardly ever win.
Dont take a scientist to script get rich quick scamming games.