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	<title>Comments on: Emerald Viewer: 76000 Unique Users Could Be Wrong</title>
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		<title>By: Emerald Viewer Scandal Erupts… Again &#171; Nalates&#39; Things &#38; Stuff Blog</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2010/04/emerald-viewer-76000-unique-users-could-be-wrong.html/comment-page-2#comment-62872</link>
		<dc:creator>Emerald Viewer Scandal Erupts… Again &#171; Nalates&#39; Things &#38; Stuff Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Aug 2010 23:29:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the development team members. Alphaville Herald ran an article on just that issue in April 2010, Emerald Viewer: 76000 Unique Users Could Be Wrong. Another ran in May, Did Linden Lab’s Emerald Dev Coverup Lead To Woodbury [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the development team members. Alphaville Herald ran an article on just that issue in April 2010, Emerald Viewer: 76000 Unique Users Could Be Wrong. Another ran in May, Did Linden Lab’s Emerald Dev Coverup Lead To Woodbury [...]</p>
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		<title>By: LordGregGreg Exits Emerald Viewer Team &#124; The Alphaville Herald</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2010/04/emerald-viewer-76000-unique-users-could-be-wrong.html/comment-page-2#comment-62577</link>
		<dc:creator>LordGregGreg Exits Emerald Viewer Team &#124; The Alphaville Herald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Aug 2010 20:53:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] drama has plagued the group &#8211; most recently the Emerald developers have been at the center of a [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Tizzers Foxchase: Linden Lab is Linden Lab’s Worst Enemy &#124; The Alphaville Herald</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2010/04/emerald-viewer-76000-unique-users-could-be-wrong.html/comment-page-2#comment-60266</link>
		<dc:creator>Tizzers Foxchase: Linden Lab is Linden Lab’s Worst Enemy &#124; The Alphaville Herald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jun 2010 12:45:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The questioning of Fractured Crystal (Jcool) as to his motives (and his iffy background) by the Wrong Hands and the disclosure of the secret datamining taking place by developers of the Emerald viewer [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The questioning of Fractured Crystal (Jcool) as to his motives (and his iffy background) by the Wrong Hands and the disclosure of the secret datamining taking place by developers of the Emerald viewer [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Did Linden Lab’s Emerald Dev Coverup Lead To Woodbury Ban? &#124; The Alphaville Herald</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2010/04/emerald-viewer-76000-unique-users-could-be-wrong.html/comment-page-2#comment-59510</link>
		<dc:creator>Did Linden Lab’s Emerald Dev Coverup Lead To Woodbury Ban? &#124; The Alphaville Herald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 May 2010 14:57:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Fractured Crystal admitted to the existence of an avatar IP address tracking database during a vigorous discussion last month with some members of the Soviet Woodbury group and other onlookers. This may explain [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Fractured Crystal admitted to the existence of an avatar IP address tracking database during a vigorous discussion last month with some members of the Soviet Woodbury group and other onlookers. This may explain [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Loniki</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2010/04/emerald-viewer-76000-unique-users-could-be-wrong.html/comment-page-2#comment-58889</link>
		<dc:creator>Loniki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 May 2010 23:25:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another thing, one of the members of the Emerald team is also involved with the CDS System. This in case you don&#039;t know is a system that bans competitors viewers, specifically Neillife. CDS claims it is a system to combat copybot but freely admits it can not detect copybot, only viewers that are compatable. Now its common knowledge that Neillife is based off the Emerald system, perhaps a teammate that went off on their own? But also keep in mind that CDS claims they can detact and ban by IP address. It is my opinion that Emerald has a back door, and that was also transfered to the Neillife viewer. It is rumored that Emerald reports data about its users back to home. And what is up with that client bridge that you can&#039;t remove without it reattaching itself? This whole thing with Emerald and CDS has a real stink to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another thing, one of the members of the Emerald team is also involved with the CDS System. This in case you don&#8217;t know is a system that bans competitors viewers, specifically Neillife. CDS claims it is a system to combat copybot but freely admits it can not detect copybot, only viewers that are compatable. Now its common knowledge that Neillife is based off the Emerald system, perhaps a teammate that went off on their own? But also keep in mind that CDS claims they can detact and ban by IP address. It is my opinion that Emerald has a back door, and that was also transfered to the Neillife viewer. It is rumored that Emerald reports data about its users back to home. And what is up with that client bridge that you can&#8217;t remove without it reattaching itself? This whole thing with Emerald and CDS has a real stink to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Bubblesort Triskaidekaphobia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bubblesort Triskaidekaphobia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Apr 2010 23:05:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Zirconium:  &quot;What is the purpose of this piece of writing? To sow seeds of discord?&quot;

You must be new around here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Zirconium:  &#8220;What is the purpose of this piece of writing? To sow seeds of discord?&#8221;</p>
<p>You must be new around here.</p>
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		<title>By: Baloo Uriza</title>
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		<dc:creator>Baloo Uriza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Apr 2010 22:16:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Zirconium Glass: I&#039;m not sure &quot;rumors&quot; is the right word for what&#039;s going around.  More like substantiated fact that Modular doesn&#039;t want getting out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Zirconium Glass: I&#8217;m not sure &#8220;rumors&#8221; is the right word for what&#8217;s going around.  More like substantiated fact that Modular doesn&#8217;t want getting out.</p>
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		<title>By: Zirconium Glass</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2010/04/emerald-viewer-76000-unique-users-could-be-wrong.html/comment-page-2#comment-58041</link>
		<dc:creator>Zirconium Glass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Apr 2010 16:05:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is the purpose of this piece of writing? To sow seeds of discord? The second paragraph opens: &quot;But  ongoing rumors (sic) of questionable conduct on the part of some of the Emerald development team have led some players to avoid the Emerald client&quot;. Rumours... enough said. If all that we have are rumours, then it is a sorry state we find ourselves in... Judging a person simply by their past, without giving that person option to change, is simply not good justice.

It seems a sour grape witch hunt of Mr Crystal and Emerald.... would that be because Emerald is so popular among the resident base?

Quite frankly, it is pathetic...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is the purpose of this piece of writing? To sow seeds of discord? The second paragraph opens: &#8220;But  ongoing rumors (sic) of questionable conduct on the part of some of the Emerald development team have led some players to avoid the Emerald client&#8221;. Rumours&#8230; enough said. If all that we have are rumours, then it is a sorry state we find ourselves in&#8230; Judging a person simply by their past, without giving that person option to change, is simply not good justice.</p>
<p>It seems a sour grape witch hunt of Mr Crystal and Emerald&#8230;. would that be because Emerald is so popular among the resident base?</p>
<p>Quite frankly, it is pathetic&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ted</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Apr 2010 01:16:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;You want to be allowed to connect to SL. Because you are not interested in freedom of source code but in freedom of this one single application.&quot;

Do you use windows? I don&#039;t and haven&#039;t for years. I spend most of my time on my own servers and services. What I do care about is that I have the right to connect to Linden&#039;s services and download, remove, and use any software, product, prim, or anything else that the end user license granted by the content creator allows. 

What I do care about is that I&#039;m allowed to import works created on my own services into SL. That the license in which I apply to my works will be upheld and regarded by Linden Lab and the Terms of Service. If my product is licensed under the gnu/gpl, I would expect that Linden would allow for such full permission works to be exported from their domain.

No reason to make this personal. I use all the clients for various purpose and will continue to do so. (hippo, meerkat, emerald, imprudence etc...) to connect to my own services and servers. I&#039;ve also made modifications to such clients myself. I&#039;ve just not distributed, nor will I accept any Terms of Service that state that I must adhere to the TPV polices to be in compliance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;You want to be allowed to connect to SL. Because you are not interested in freedom of source code but in freedom of this one single application.&#8221;</p>
<p>Do you use windows? I don&#8217;t and haven&#8217;t for years. I spend most of my time on my own servers and services. What I do care about is that I have the right to connect to Linden&#8217;s services and download, remove, and use any software, product, prim, or anything else that the end user license granted by the content creator allows. </p>
<p>What I do care about is that I&#8217;m allowed to import works created on my own services into SL. That the license in which I apply to my works will be upheld and regarded by Linden Lab and the Terms of Service. If my product is licensed under the gnu/gpl, I would expect that Linden would allow for such full permission works to be exported from their domain.</p>
<p>No reason to make this personal. I use all the clients for various purpose and will continue to do so. (hippo, meerkat, emerald, imprudence etc&#8230;) to connect to my own services and servers. I&#8217;ve also made modifications to such clients myself. I&#8217;ve just not distributed, nor will I accept any Terms of Service that state that I must adhere to the TPV polices to be in compliance.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Apr 2010 23:05:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;There would be a violation of the GPL if signing the TPV would be a requirement incompatible (and TPV clearly is) with the GPL. :&quot;

Well then, we are not so far off from stating the same reasoning, just with different terms. And I&#039;m talking about two different topics at once. One is the gnu/gpl and issues with the TPV, the other is Lindens Terms of Service where they expressly give or &quot;grant license&quot; of usage over content that is licensed under terms that is in direct opposition to Linden&#039;s Terms of Service.

You do indeed agree that the TPV is not compatible with the GPL. Exactly. And Linden states that to connect to their service with a third party viewer, that you adhere to the polices of the TPV.  Period. 

This means that if you do not agree to the TPV policies due to the issues with the incompatibilities,  that you cannot agree to the Terms of Service either. Which states that by agreeing to the Terms of Service that you are also agreeing to such related policies including the TPV.

No one has stated that Linden doesn&#039;t have the right (whether right or wrong) to deny connections to their services. What is being stated is that Linden has no right to expect more from the license agreements of the gnu/gpl than they themselves would have to adhere to as the code is licensed under the same agreements whether Linden works on the code, or someone else does.

What about the code within Lindens&#039; domain that is licensed under various licenses that allow for such modification, distribution etc.. ?
By not allowing non permission items to be removed from SL, they are not complying with the terms that those items are licensed under.

Are you then stating that Linden has the right to harbor the works and not allow the removal of works from their servers despite license agreements that are clearly to the contrary? License agreements between the content creators and end users that pre exist any license agreements Linden has recently bestowed upon the community.

The Linden Terms of Service won&#039;t stand up in a court of law.

Whether or not you agree this is just a power grab by Linden due to their belief that they can dictate what can and cannot be removed from the servers, I am stating that there are indeed works created within Linden&#039;s domain that are licensed under licenses that are both incompatible with their Terms of Service and other related polices. If one can write a policy  themselves granting &quot;usage rights&quot; or &quot;grant rights&quot; over such content, they make null and void the licenses in which the content was released.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;There would be a violation of the GPL if signing the TPV would be a requirement incompatible (and TPV clearly is) with the GPL. :&#8221;</p>
<p>Well then, we are not so far off from stating the same reasoning, just with different terms. And I&#8217;m talking about two different topics at once. One is the gnu/gpl and issues with the TPV, the other is Lindens Terms of Service where they expressly give or &#8220;grant license&#8221; of usage over content that is licensed under terms that is in direct opposition to Linden&#8217;s Terms of Service.</p>
<p>You do indeed agree that the TPV is not compatible with the GPL. Exactly. And Linden states that to connect to their service with a third party viewer, that you adhere to the polices of the TPV.  Period. </p>
<p>This means that if you do not agree to the TPV policies due to the issues with the incompatibilities,  that you cannot agree to the Terms of Service either. Which states that by agreeing to the Terms of Service that you are also agreeing to such related policies including the TPV.</p>
<p>No one has stated that Linden doesn&#8217;t have the right (whether right or wrong) to deny connections to their services. What is being stated is that Linden has no right to expect more from the license agreements of the gnu/gpl than they themselves would have to adhere to as the code is licensed under the same agreements whether Linden works on the code, or someone else does.</p>
<p>What about the code within Lindens&#8217; domain that is licensed under various licenses that allow for such modification, distribution etc.. ?<br />
By not allowing non permission items to be removed from SL, they are not complying with the terms that those items are licensed under.</p>
<p>Are you then stating that Linden has the right to harbor the works and not allow the removal of works from their servers despite license agreements that are clearly to the contrary? License agreements between the content creators and end users that pre exist any license agreements Linden has recently bestowed upon the community.</p>
<p>The Linden Terms of Service won&#8217;t stand up in a court of law.</p>
<p>Whether or not you agree this is just a power grab by Linden due to their belief that they can dictate what can and cannot be removed from the servers, I am stating that there are indeed works created within Linden&#8217;s domain that are licensed under licenses that are both incompatible with their Terms of Service and other related polices. If one can write a policy  themselves granting &#8220;usage rights&#8221; or &#8220;grant rights&#8221; over such content, they make null and void the licenses in which the content was released.</p>
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