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		<title>By: Marlon Silverman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marlon Silverman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jan 2011 19:58:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s best to take part in a contest for top-of-the-line blogs on the web. I&#039;ll suggest this web site!</description>
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		<title>By: spyvspyaeon</title>
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		<dc:creator>spyvspyaeon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Apr 2010 15:26:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;By agreeing to the Terms of Service, users are giving a license to other users to take pictures and videos of publicly accessible places.&quot; that is great but why after that says that &quot;If the content that you capture is subject to any trademark, service mark, trade dress, publicity rights, or other intellectual property or proprietary rights, you must obtain the necessary licenses and permissions to use the content, and you use it at your own risk.&quot;

Is this a joke? Or am I miss understanding the sparghetti words?

The principle of contradiction was just talking about the latest announcement from LL about the promotion that make for machinima and effort they have made to meet the expectations of residents, but the TOS (although several interpretations because the TOS has been done so and not the fault of the residents in the gaps and contradictions by what is said and what is done &quot;behind&quot;). Although Linden Labs implement these regulations only to his world (of course you can control) and not even being able to tamper with the 3rd party, this seems contradictory with regard to the &quot;big launch of LL&quot; with its shared media. I am not knowledgeable of the laws in their entirety or have any training in legal rights, or rights to content IP, but in fact the new TOS has many doubts and few clarifications, overflows a little overzealous and impartiality, the TOS was not clear how a exclusive LL put his hand on you think its entirely, and in fact declares itself TOS. &quot;Everything here is after all our pups are well understand.&quot; Although leaving my reservations to criticize such a declaration, &quot;perhaps totalitarian&quot; who leaves behind even before trying hard to make a job fair in Media Content and respectful of others. If in fact LL is clearly clean hands and any possible conflict in the future, yes, &quot;Changing the terms of service is the normal course of business, but I&#039;m not sure That springing on Them people is the best approach, Particularly When there are at Easily accessible ways to Evaluate the scope and / or the nature of the changes and most es-When people are deriving tangible value (ie income) based on the previous agreement. &quot;. Second Life Has Been previously defined as a service, and all it matter to economy, but its economy is not in agreement contemplates the possible movements of new media, in fact Machinima made in Second Life has never been so close to being a truly recognized ART, or expression of virtual reality (virtual attention, despite notions of intellectual property, it seems stupid to label us property is yours until I want &quot;) and in fact to challenge the boundaries of what is already known to the metaverse to real life with the use of Machinima in commercial terms. I personally do not believe that Linden wants to throw the dirty dishes to the residents ate and where I hope the lack of clarity is a strategy to mask the true intentions of the LL. Like Phaylen says, let&#039;s see what happens this. I just let a strong critic of LL and his blog that one day open a post for clarification on the following day is closed, in fact a rude way to say that we have not really vote on the matter, or to say so and there to give back. It is sad to see things well placed is depressing even thinking about what the future may hold more and more restrictions unfounded and clarified that the residents that we&#039;ve created is crap anyway they can in order to tell whether it is in their interest . Is this sustainable or is this an attempt to approach the LL TOS WoW and other worlds with restricted content ....

I think frankly this attitude completely unreasonable and disproportionate when we are talking about a world virtual, that as the word says it is all nothing more than a potentiality. I understand and accept the terms in relation to the Trademark, however completely escapes me why a Land (PUBLIC) requires permission from the owner .. .... or is public or not. 

Copying is one thing, now filming and taking pictures is quite different than copy content? Sorry but my notion of property is as dumb as the statements of LL or how they are put to us without infringing the intellectual property of the adversarial principle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;By agreeing to the Terms of Service, users are giving a license to other users to take pictures and videos of publicly accessible places.&#8221; that is great but why after that says that &#8220;If the content that you capture is subject to any trademark, service mark, trade dress, publicity rights, or other intellectual property or proprietary rights, you must obtain the necessary licenses and permissions to use the content, and you use it at your own risk.&#8221;</p>
<p>Is this a joke? Or am I miss understanding the sparghetti words?</p>
<p>The principle of contradiction was just talking about the latest announcement from LL about the promotion that make for machinima and effort they have made to meet the expectations of residents, but the TOS (although several interpretations because the TOS has been done so and not the fault of the residents in the gaps and contradictions by what is said and what is done &#8220;behind&#8221;). Although Linden Labs implement these regulations only to his world (of course you can control) and not even being able to tamper with the 3rd party, this seems contradictory with regard to the &#8220;big launch of LL&#8221; with its shared media. I am not knowledgeable of the laws in their entirety or have any training in legal rights, or rights to content IP, but in fact the new TOS has many doubts and few clarifications, overflows a little overzealous and impartiality, the TOS was not clear how a exclusive LL put his hand on you think its entirely, and in fact declares itself TOS. &#8220;Everything here is after all our pups are well understand.&#8221; Although leaving my reservations to criticize such a declaration, &#8220;perhaps totalitarian&#8221; who leaves behind even before trying hard to make a job fair in Media Content and respectful of others. If in fact LL is clearly clean hands and any possible conflict in the future, yes, &#8220;Changing the terms of service is the normal course of business, but I&#8217;m not sure That springing on Them people is the best approach, Particularly When there are at Easily accessible ways to Evaluate the scope and / or the nature of the changes and most es-When people are deriving tangible value (ie income) based on the previous agreement. &#8220;. Second Life Has Been previously defined as a service, and all it matter to economy, but its economy is not in agreement contemplates the possible movements of new media, in fact Machinima made in Second Life has never been so close to being a truly recognized ART, or expression of virtual reality (virtual attention, despite notions of intellectual property, it seems stupid to label us property is yours until I want &#8220;) and in fact to challenge the boundaries of what is already known to the metaverse to real life with the use of Machinima in commercial terms. I personally do not believe that Linden wants to throw the dirty dishes to the residents ate and where I hope the lack of clarity is a strategy to mask the true intentions of the LL. Like Phaylen says, let&#8217;s see what happens this. I just let a strong critic of LL and his blog that one day open a post for clarification on the following day is closed, in fact a rude way to say that we have not really vote on the matter, or to say so and there to give back. It is sad to see things well placed is depressing even thinking about what the future may hold more and more restrictions unfounded and clarified that the residents that we&#8217;ve created is crap anyway they can in order to tell whether it is in their interest . Is this sustainable or is this an attempt to approach the LL TOS WoW and other worlds with restricted content &#8230;.</p>
<p>I think frankly this attitude completely unreasonable and disproportionate when we are talking about a world virtual, that as the word says it is all nothing more than a potentiality. I understand and accept the terms in relation to the Trademark, however completely escapes me why a Land (PUBLIC) requires permission from the owner .. &#8230;. or is public or not. </p>
<p>Copying is one thing, now filming and taking pictures is quite different than copy content? Sorry but my notion of property is as dumb as the statements of LL or how they are put to us without infringing the intellectual property of the adversarial principle.</p>
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		<title>By: Serendipity Seraph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Serendipity Seraph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Apr 2010 21:36:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t get it.  What does living in Russia have to do with anything?  Whose BS policy objected because of this exactly and what is the objection clause?</description>
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		<title>By: neil is dead</title>
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		<dc:creator>neil is dead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Apr 2010 19:18:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://neil.awesomechan.com/index.php?itemid=90


look at that. Neillife creator just quit because someone found out he lived in russia.</description>
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<p>look at that. Neillife creator just quit because someone found out he lived in russia.</p>
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		<title>By: Serendipity Seraph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Serendipity Seraph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Apr 2010 04:10:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let us not forget that the DMCA is largely unmitigated evil.  Yes, we don&#039;t want ripoffs.  But we also don&#039;t want to lend much sanction to something as tainted as the DMCA.  

AFAIK. There is no good way for a creator to effectively mark their SL creations in such a way that someone that grant rights to can move it off the SL grid.  At least that is what the TOS seems to say.  If so that denies the rights of the creators and claims them for LL effectively.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let us not forget that the DMCA is largely unmitigated evil.  Yes, we don&#8217;t want ripoffs.  But we also don&#8217;t want to lend much sanction to something as tainted as the DMCA.  </p>
<p>AFAIK. There is no good way for a creator to effectively mark their SL creations in such a way that someone that grant rights to can move it off the SL grid.  At least that is what the TOS seems to say.  If so that denies the rights of the creators and claims them for LL effectively.</p>
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		<title>By: Strayn Janus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Strayn Janus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Apr 2010 00:16:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@IntLibber: Marsh v Alabama  would only apply if a case could be made that by open sourcing the client, LL have opened access sufficiently to make it effectively public. I am not aware of any cases where that&#039;s been successfully used as precedent though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@IntLibber: Marsh v Alabama  would only apply if a case could be made that by open sourcing the client, LL have opened access sufficiently to make it effectively public. I am not aware of any cases where that&#8217;s been successfully used as precedent though.</p>
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		<title>By: Darien Caldwell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darien Caldwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Apr 2010 15:42:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heh, obviously you didn&#039;t read the TOS. LL doesn&#039;t own it, they are granted a license from the item&#039;s creator, just as customers are. So nothing changed in that regard, People stealing items are still stealing from the item&#039;s creator.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heh, obviously you didn&#8217;t read the TOS. LL doesn&#8217;t own it, they are granted a license from the item&#8217;s creator, just as customers are. So nothing changed in that regard, People stealing items are still stealing from the item&#8217;s creator.</p>
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		<title>By: Charlie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charlie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Apr 2010 14:45:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and so now  they are not ripping  peoples content. Instead rippining licenses from Linden Lab.
Who files the DMCA since Lindens own it all now? The content builder or Lindens if they feel like it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and so now  they are not ripping  peoples content. Instead rippining licenses from Linden Lab.<br />
Who files the DMCA since Lindens own it all now? The content builder or Lindens if they feel like it?</p>
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		<title>By: IntLibber Brautigan</title>
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		<dc:creator>IntLibber Brautigan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Apr 2010 02:12:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Linden Lab continues to illegally and unconstitutionally violate Marsh vs. Alabama. You don&#039;t surrender your rights at the login, no matter how much Jack Linden would wish it. Jack&#039;s a fascist and we&#039;ve known that for years. He knows he&#039;s a dick, hence why he&#039;s the longest serving Linden employee of whom we don&#039;t know their real life identity.

This situation is screaming for a nice ACLU suit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Linden Lab continues to illegally and unconstitutionally violate Marsh vs. Alabama. You don&#8217;t surrender your rights at the login, no matter how much Jack Linden would wish it. Jack&#8217;s a fascist and we&#8217;ve known that for years. He knows he&#8217;s a dick, hence why he&#8217;s the longest serving Linden employee of whom we don&#8217;t know their real life identity.</p>
<p>This situation is screaming for a nice ACLU suit.</p>
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		<title>By: Ajax Manatiso</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ajax Manatiso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Apr 2010 14:57:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DarkAngel&#039;s argument is totally flawed. You might as well say, &quot;if you don&#039;t want your car stolen, don&#039;t own one&quot; or &quot;if you don&#039;t want to be raped, don&#039;t be female&quot;. 
     Having property does not make it fair game for thieves. Thievery is always, always wrong no matter how you try to rationalize it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DarkAngel&#8217;s argument is totally flawed. You might as well say, &#8220;if you don&#8217;t want your car stolen, don&#8217;t own one&#8221; or &#8220;if you don&#8217;t want to be raped, don&#8217;t be female&#8221;.<br />
     Having property does not make it fair game for thieves. Thievery is always, always wrong no matter how you try to rationalize it.</p>
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