“You sit there and insist that since I’m libertarian I must adhere to the preachings of the spiritual-less Ayn Rand.”

I only brought up Ayn Rand because her ideas on economy and Free Market are basically identical to your stated ideas, and she’s considered to be one of the founders of Libertarianism. I never suggested you must adhere to her, just that her ideas are considered to be at the core of Libertarian thought. In fact, Ayn Rand’s ideas and Free market society in Atlas Shrugged are completely identical to yours. The difference seeming to be that you believe human ingenuity and inherent human goodness to be the center of it all, while she believes that human ingenuity is fueled by greed, and greed is what fuels the free market society to work. If you wish to disagree with one of the founders of Libertarian thought, that’s fine.

“Please give me a label you prefer to generally describe your left-leaning principles. I don’t mean to label you”

I don’t know what I’ve said that’s “generally left leaning”, since just about every response I’ve made has been in reaction to yours or IntLibber’s Libertarianism; Not my own ideals. Unless being anti-Libertarian is considered being “generally left leaning” but Libertarianism is so vast of a philosophy it can be left, right, center, up, down, communist, fascist, anarchist, etc.

I didn’t react to being called a liberal because you “dare to label me”, I reacted because I’ve twice said now that I’m not, and you’ve twice tried to apply it to me, largely it seems because it fits in with your world view; that those who disagree with Libertarianism are hardcore Liberals. I think a Liberal would have a better view of humanity than I do.

I think no system of government will work perfectly at this scale, largely because of the human factor. I believe that humans were psychologically built to work in tribes and small family groups, and that one of the reasons these huge governments don’t work isn’t a problem with the government but the scale of it, and how that effects the human factor. So I don’t hold any encompassing political beliefs because I don’t think any of them would work, I have opinions on each separate issue, but no combined political agenda to group them all in; sometimes I agree with conservatives, sometimes liberals, sometimes even libertarians. As I said before, I’m at best a trans-humanist, which isn’t a political philosophy, but in a round-a-bout way, summarizes why I don’t think large-scale politics works, and the only way I know to fix it.

Please give me a label you prefer to generally describe your left-leaning principles. I don’t mean to label you. I have plenty of names to criticize your personal character. But for generalizing your position in referential situations, what would you think best describes it?

You sit there and insist that since I’m libertarian I must adhere to the preachings of the spiritual-less Ayn Rand. And you just don’t accept I have very little affiliation with her, despite being a libertarian. But then I label you a liberal and you react with such self-righteous indignation. Like how dare I label you??

What’s really funny is that he insists that since I’m a libertarian, I must adhere to the principles of Ayn Rand. This is the same bullshit you always pull. Someone insults me. I treat them the same. And all you notice is when I do it. When someone you agree with treats me as I treat them, you’re oblivious.

This has nothing to do with anything other than you’re inability to believe that people who side with you are on some higher moral plane. Ain’t no one innocent in this nasty debate, Gaara. And they haven’t been in any previous debate either. And chances are, we’ll be right back here sometime in the future when I lash out at an opponent who’s lashed out at me. And you’ll be there saying, “Why does she always have to lash out at everyone???”

So yeah, stopping here. I’ll still keep up with it all and headdesk when need be but……yeah, there’s no point in trying to reason with Percy.

That’s about as good a place as any to end this nonsense.

Why do I keep making typos.

Look. We hmself has constantly said that he’s not like what you keep slandering him as, and that he knows himself better than you. I could say your a childish trolling libertarian who refuses to back down and claims to be the sole voice of dissent whilst just simply attacking everyone here with your pushy economic views.

Does that mean I am the slightest fucking bit right? Of course not. That’s an opinion, and one I don’t push too much here because it’s one of the most childish arguments I could probably ever think up. That’s not even my full view of you in my eyes because this is the internet and I’m pretty damn sure there’s more to you irl than just this. And if there isn’t, then that’s just really sad. But you’re not just carrying an opinion anymore. You’re busting in, ascerting to the fullest as if you believe it’s actual fact, that We is a person who sees humans and pathetic, evil, greedy, weak, and requiring control, and just from what you’ve read him post on a goddamn blog at that, and I’ve been watching and have seen you more than willing to use such slander in your arguments.

I know it’s stupid to get emotionally heated in any internet argument, but I just can’t stand people like that, who believe they can form an opinion of someone else, especially a negative, slanderous opinion, and claim it to be factual truth. And the fact that you’ve done so from simply the text in his arguments against you? And on a blog? That’s even more fucking pathetic.

“What’s with all the libertarian stuff? The article isn’t even about all that rubbish. But of course, to libertarians and similar teabagger crybabies there’s never a bad time or inappropriate moment to open their mouths and start bleating and snarling about how much more wonderful and gentle and perfect life would be if there were no laws and no civilization. Why can’t they all just shut up and move to Somalia, which I hear is a libertarian paradise of unlimited personal freedom and total independence from all regulations of any kind. Except the warlords. But if the free and unfettered marketplace of heroic human ambitions wants to produce warlords, who are we to argue?

Actually I was just kidding. I love libertarians. What’s not to love about squalling ingrates who grow up enjoying the benefits of a prosperous society built on free enterprise and the rule of law, appreciation for personal self-determination, and largely peaceful transfers of power…. yet who seethe with inflated righteous indignation when asked to poney up even a single penny to help keep everything running?

Bah. “Libertarian” is just a polite euphemism for coward, traitor and freeloader.”

Although like I said, opinions are opinions, sir…..I give you a gold star.

Pappy, you also get a gold star. Bravo.