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		<title>By: Nelson Jenkins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nelson Jenkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Nov 2010 12:21:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I@ Dr Fell

After removing the wax from your ears and the sand from your vagina, please read through this:

http://emeraldscandal.wordpress.com/updated-timeline/

Almost none of it actually involves LL. Most of it was spurred by the criminal developers of Emerald.

I&#039;m going to keep this short because my shift&#039;s over, but let&#039;s cover where you&#039;re wrong:

The claims were true and backed by third-party sources.

The users in question were banned for several reasons outlined on that blog I linked.

The Emerald viewer still exists, sans criminal developers. It&#039;s called Phoenix.

There were tools in Emerald to &quot;copy stuff&quot;. It was originally based off of a copbot viewer.

I&#039;d love to debate this, but you&#039;re obviously too stubborn to believe anything other than the rage-induced lies Arabella brainwashed your mind with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I@ Dr Fell</p>
<p>After removing the wax from your ears and the sand from your vagina, please read through this:</p>
<p><a href="http://emeraldscandal.wordpress.com/updated-timeline/" rel="nofollow">http://emeraldscandal.wordpress.com/updated-timeline/</a></p>
<p>Almost none of it actually involves LL. Most of it was spurred by the criminal developers of Emerald.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m going to keep this short because my shift&#8217;s over, but let&#8217;s cover where you&#8217;re wrong:</p>
<p>The claims were true and backed by third-party sources.</p>
<p>The users in question were banned for several reasons outlined on that blog I linked.</p>
<p>The Emerald viewer still exists, sans criminal developers. It&#8217;s called Phoenix.</p>
<p>There were tools in Emerald to &#8220;copy stuff&#8221;. It was originally based off of a copbot viewer.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d love to debate this, but you&#8217;re obviously too stubborn to believe anything other than the rage-induced lies Arabella brainwashed your mind with.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr Fell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr Fell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Nov 2010 01:43:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this is total bullshit and the herald proves yet again they are nothing but fucking idiots.

Linden Labs canned Emerald Viewer by making up false claims that this viewer was &quot;bad&quot; and banning all the creators from second life instead of admitting that 3rd party team had created a better viewer than Linden Labs had!  The only real reason Linden Labs &quot;decided&quot; to catch up and make clothing protection manditory in its viewers was because of the sucess of Emarld Viewer , and instead of admitting that they rather just ban the users who made it.

perosnally they should have hired every person who worked on Emerald Viewer to join Linden Labs... that team single handedly made a viewer that a vast amount of people in second life ended up using.  and I do not believe there was any tools in it to &quot;copy stuff&quot;

Linden Labs and the CEO Philip are jerks and only care about money and do not really care about the long term stability and security of Second Life</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this is total bullshit and the herald proves yet again they are nothing but fucking idiots.</p>
<p>Linden Labs canned Emerald Viewer by making up false claims that this viewer was &#8220;bad&#8221; and banning all the creators from second life instead of admitting that 3rd party team had created a better viewer than Linden Labs had!  The only real reason Linden Labs &#8220;decided&#8221; to catch up and make clothing protection manditory in its viewers was because of the sucess of Emarld Viewer , and instead of admitting that they rather just ban the users who made it.</p>
<p>perosnally they should have hired every person who worked on Emerald Viewer to join Linden Labs&#8230; that team single handedly made a viewer that a vast amount of people in second life ended up using.  and I do not believe there was any tools in it to &#8220;copy stuff&#8221;</p>
<p>Linden Labs and the CEO Philip are jerks and only care about money and do not really care about the long term stability and security of Second Life</p>
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		<title>By: Nobody Really</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nobody Really</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 18:44:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@We

Her post isn&#039;t really anything unexpected.  It kind of reminded me of the cartoon of the mouse flipping off the eagle that&#039;s about to scoop him up.  Caption:  The Last Great Act of Defiance.  I suspect that it will do her about as much good as it did the mouse.

The Emerald user base was unquestionably large, but people have short memories.  Other than the fanatical faction that&#039;s so vocal, the simple fact is that the vast and overwhelming majority of the user base simply won&#039;t care enough to let it bother them for more than a couple days.  After all, most people who use Second Life are there for entertainment - not to find something to get all worked up about.  The Emo population isn&#039;t that large.

Life, and Second Life, will go on - Emerald and what&#039;s-her-name will be but a small chapter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@We</p>
<p>Her post isn&#8217;t really anything unexpected.  It kind of reminded me of the cartoon of the mouse flipping off the eagle that&#8217;s about to scoop him up.  Caption:  The Last Great Act of Defiance.  I suspect that it will do her about as much good as it did the mouse.</p>
<p>The Emerald user base was unquestionably large, but people have short memories.  Other than the fanatical faction that&#8217;s so vocal, the simple fact is that the vast and overwhelming majority of the user base simply won&#8217;t care enough to let it bother them for more than a couple days.  After all, most people who use Second Life are there for entertainment &#8211; not to find something to get all worked up about.  The Emo population isn&#8217;t that large.</p>
<p>Life, and Second Life, will go on &#8211; Emerald and what&#8217;s-her-name will be but a small chapter.</p>
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		<title>By: We</title>
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		<dc:creator>We</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 17:56:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Something of note in addition to Gaara Sandalwood&#039;s points too:

“I wonder why you have not announced that Ascent is simply a new name for Interia + nano, two viewers designed to steal passwords and make content theft so much easier.”

Ascent is based off of Inertia, but with all malicious functionality removed.  Additionally Inertia itself was not designed to steal passwords, nor was Nano (it was just a form of Emerald by disgruntled users after all).  Speaking of stealing passwords, she might want to ask Phox about it, who actually has a history of doing such.

Emerald itself, no less, is a modified vLife.

Her post is almost entirely lies, trying to drag as many people down with her as possible, unfortunately her user base is likely to believe anything she says as true.  I suspect we&#039;ll be hearing her lies echoed by random newbies for some time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Something of note in addition to Gaara Sandalwood&#8217;s points too:</p>
<p>“I wonder why you have not announced that Ascent is simply a new name for Interia + nano, two viewers designed to steal passwords and make content theft so much easier.”</p>
<p>Ascent is based off of Inertia, but with all malicious functionality removed.  Additionally Inertia itself was not designed to steal passwords, nor was Nano (it was just a form of Emerald by disgruntled users after all).  Speaking of stealing passwords, she might want to ask Phox about it, who actually has a history of doing such.</p>
<p>Emerald itself, no less, is a modified vLife.</p>
<p>Her post is almost entirely lies, trying to drag as many people down with her as possible, unfortunately her user base is likely to believe anything she says as true.  I suspect we&#8217;ll be hearing her lies echoed by random newbies for some time.</p>
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		<title>By: Kiddoh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kiddoh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 16:30:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Is it easy to use the phrase “anonymous douchebags” and “Woodbury University” in the same sentence?

You bet.&quot;

Finally, someone gets it. Thank you.

&lt;3</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Is it easy to use the phrase “anonymous douchebags” and “Woodbury University” in the same sentence?</p>
<p>You bet.&#8221;</p>
<p>Finally, someone gets it. Thank you.</p>
<p>&lt;3</p>
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		<title>By: Gaara Sandalwood</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gaara Sandalwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 16:22:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My comment was heavily moderated on their blog, so here:

“I wonder why you have not told the users of Secondlife (50% of whom were Emerald users, by your own statistics) that the new approved TPVs are created by former griefers that you hounded out of secondlife, lock, stock and barrel.”

I love that part, considering that the Emerald viewer’s developers included three widely known malicious viewer creators, and quite a few copybotters.

“I wonder why you have not announced that Ascent is simply a new name for Interia + nano, two viewers designed to steal passwords and make content theft so much easier.”

oh wow…..that’s really funny. Onyx was proven to simply be a modified VLife, by the way.

But hey, who am I to question the always right Arabella Steadham? This comment is likely to be heavily moderated, I’ll bet. Nothing like giving the mindless drones more bawwwwwing to work with.

&quot;I am also curious as to why you think the so-called ‘lead dev’ on the Phoenix team is trustworthy&quot;

I don&#039;t have home internet atm, but last I checked this viewer project was led by Jessica Lyons(someone correct me if I&#039;m wrong), the same person Arabella accused of trying to take over the group when she tried to get Phox to leave.

&quot;And I assume with your all knowing abilities that you are perfectly aware of the relationship of the 3rd-class devs on the Emergence team with the group you mass banned some months back. Check who funds them.&quot;

Actually, M Linden and a few others banned them, not Philly. Oh, not to mention Phox, Jaycool, and I&#039;m Skills were all perma banned before, but nothing was said on MS&#039;s part about that(except for &quot;oh, but this was before the new ToS took place, so it doesn&#039;t count&quot;).

&quot;So much for your worthless standard of ethics.&quot;

I actually think with their refusing to associate with MS(Phox mainly), their ethics have slightly improved.

&quot;This is nothing but an ego battle.&quot;

Arabella....talking about egos.......*sigh*

Back to classes, so that&#039;s all for now I guess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My comment was heavily moderated on their blog, so here:</p>
<p>“I wonder why you have not told the users of Secondlife (50% of whom were Emerald users, by your own statistics) that the new approved TPVs are created by former griefers that you hounded out of secondlife, lock, stock and barrel.”</p>
<p>I love that part, considering that the Emerald viewer’s developers included three widely known malicious viewer creators, and quite a few copybotters.</p>
<p>“I wonder why you have not announced that Ascent is simply a new name for Interia + nano, two viewers designed to steal passwords and make content theft so much easier.”</p>
<p>oh wow…..that’s really funny. Onyx was proven to simply be a modified VLife, by the way.</p>
<p>But hey, who am I to question the always right Arabella Steadham? This comment is likely to be heavily moderated, I’ll bet. Nothing like giving the mindless drones more bawwwwwing to work with.</p>
<p>&#8220;I am also curious as to why you think the so-called ‘lead dev’ on the Phoenix team is trustworthy&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t have home internet atm, but last I checked this viewer project was led by Jessica Lyons(someone correct me if I&#8217;m wrong), the same person Arabella accused of trying to take over the group when she tried to get Phox to leave.</p>
<p>&#8220;And I assume with your all knowing abilities that you are perfectly aware of the relationship of the 3rd-class devs on the Emergence team with the group you mass banned some months back. Check who funds them.&#8221;</p>
<p>Actually, M Linden and a few others banned them, not Philly. Oh, not to mention Phox, Jaycool, and I&#8217;m Skills were all perma banned before, but nothing was said on MS&#8217;s part about that(except for &#8220;oh, but this was before the new ToS took place, so it doesn&#8217;t count&#8221;).</p>
<p>&#8220;So much for your worthless standard of ethics.&#8221;</p>
<p>I actually think with their refusing to associate with MS(Phox mainly), their ethics have slightly improved.</p>
<p>&#8220;This is nothing but an ego battle.&#8221;</p>
<p>Arabella&#8230;.talking about egos&#8230;&#8230;.*sigh*</p>
<p>Back to classes, so that&#8217;s all for now I guess.</p>
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		<title>By: Samantha</title>
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		<dc:creator>Samantha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 13:47:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m beginning to see where the ends of this circular argument connect.  

Why should we be concerned that Modular Systems was abusing our personal information?

Anonymous douchebags can use it to mess up our lives.

Who are the anonymous douchebags?

The same ones who attacked Modular Systems in the first place, trying to show how evil they were.

Is it easy to use the phrase &quot;anonymous douchebags&quot; and &quot;Woodbury University&quot; in the same sentence?

You bet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m beginning to see where the ends of this circular argument connect.  </p>
<p>Why should we be concerned that Modular Systems was abusing our personal information?</p>
<p>Anonymous douchebags can use it to mess up our lives.</p>
<p>Who are the anonymous douchebags?</p>
<p>The same ones who attacked Modular Systems in the first place, trying to show how evil they were.</p>
<p>Is it easy to use the phrase &#8220;anonymous douchebags&#8221; and &#8220;Woodbury University&#8221; in the same sentence?</p>
<p>You bet.</p>
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		<title>By: Little Lost Linden</title>
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		<dc:creator>Little Lost Linden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 12:59:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Nelson J.

I went ahead and added the link of the your Arabella transcriptions:

http://thebotzone.net/2010/09/07/arabella-speaketh-dear-linden-lab/

Only 4 more hours left!!

It&#039;s going to be a grid-wide meltdown today.

Oh the humanity!

This is just like the time when Hitler invaded some country.

You know who else shuts down third party viewers?

...Hitler</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Nelson J.</p>
<p>I went ahead and added the link of the your Arabella transcriptions:</p>
<p><a href="http://thebotzone.net/2010/09/07/arabella-speaketh-dear-linden-lab/" rel="nofollow">http://thebotzone.net/2010/09/07/arabella-speaketh-dear-linden-lab/</a></p>
<p>Only 4 more hours left!!</p>
<p>It&#8217;s going to be a grid-wide meltdown today.</p>
<p>Oh the humanity!</p>
<p>This is just like the time when Hitler invaded some country.</p>
<p>You know who else shuts down third party viewers?</p>
<p>&#8230;Hitler</p>
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		<title>By: Selene Putzo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Selene Putzo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 09:28:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;if you are truly innocent, you don’t have anything to worry about from publishing who you are. Only douchebags have something to fear from the righteous rage of anonymous.&quot;

^INCORRECT^

if you are truly innocent, you&#039;ve everything to worry about, by publishing who you are, from anonymous douchebags.

^CORRECTED^</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;if you are truly innocent, you don’t have anything to worry about from publishing who you are. Only douchebags have something to fear from the righteous rage of anonymous.&#8221;</p>
<p>^INCORRECT^</p>
<p>if you are truly innocent, you&#8217;ve everything to worry about, by publishing who you are, from anonymous douchebags.</p>
<p>^CORRECTED^</p>
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		<title>By: General Drama</title>
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		<dc:creator>General Drama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 05:44:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Meh

Sep 7th, 2010

&quot;Think about it, General DramaLLama – with the Woodbury nuts running around hacking everything in sight, would you publish YOUR real name? &quot;

They know my real name already. But then, I&#039;m not an asshat wannabe malware coder who distributes botnet and identity stealing software disguised as a virtual world client, so I don&#039;t have anything to worry about. You get what you give.

This is where requiring public disclosure of developer identities serves the public interest: only an asshat seeking to avoid liability and prosecution would refuse to disclose publicly who they are.

To turn a phrase of logic oft used by Emerald team to justify their malicious coding of spyware into the client: if you are truly innocent, you don&#039;t have anything to worry about from publishing who you are. Only douchebags have something to fear from the righteous rage of anonymous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Meh</p>
<p>Sep 7th, 2010</p>
<p>&#8220;Think about it, General DramaLLama – with the Woodbury nuts running around hacking everything in sight, would you publish YOUR real name? &#8221;</p>
<p>They know my real name already. But then, I&#8217;m not an asshat wannabe malware coder who distributes botnet and identity stealing software disguised as a virtual world client, so I don&#8217;t have anything to worry about. You get what you give.</p>
<p>This is where requiring public disclosure of developer identities serves the public interest: only an asshat seeking to avoid liability and prosecution would refuse to disclose publicly who they are.</p>
<p>To turn a phrase of logic oft used by Emerald team to justify their malicious coding of spyware into the client: if you are truly innocent, you don&#8217;t have anything to worry about from publishing who you are. Only douchebags have something to fear from the righteous rage of anonymous.</p>
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