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	<title>Comments on: Nelson Jenkins: Why Would Anyone Trust These Emerald Guys?</title>
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		<title>By: Strayn Janus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Strayn Janus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Sep 2010 00:57:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Further @ Jocelyn:

&gt; Now that I have caught your “most likely” caveat, might it be reasonably to expect a kneejerk retraction from your quarter and an unqualified accusation that freind Strayn’s voluminous knowledge of thirteen year old superceded nomenclature trumps my first hand experience?

Would you care to elaborate on this &quot;first hand experience&quot; for us. I&#039;d hope it would allow us a better insight into whether we should so readily dismiss your views (or possibly not, should it turn out to be mere posturing). I know I would like to know how much more experience you have than I do - you could, should the circumstances be right, prove to be an invaluable contact.

However, returning to the issue in hand, should 2001 not be recent enough for you, the following law is referenced from wikipedia with particular reference to the territory in which I currently reside: Police and Justice Act 2006 5.36.3.2.a ( http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/48/section/36) which makes it a crime where I live to purposefully apply my computing resources &quot;to impair the operation of any computer&quot;. I&#039;d say that what was done, regardless of semantics, falls under this heading. Let&#039;s just hope he never tries to vacation over here, eh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Further @ Jocelyn:</p>
<p>&gt; Now that I have caught your “most likely” caveat, might it be reasonably to expect a kneejerk retraction from your quarter and an unqualified accusation that freind Strayn’s voluminous knowledge of thirteen year old superceded nomenclature trumps my first hand experience?</p>
<p>Would you care to elaborate on this &#8220;first hand experience&#8221; for us. I&#8217;d hope it would allow us a better insight into whether we should so readily dismiss your views (or possibly not, should it turn out to be mere posturing). I know I would like to know how much more experience you have than I do &#8211; you could, should the circumstances be right, prove to be an invaluable contact.</p>
<p>However, returning to the issue in hand, should 2001 not be recent enough for you, the following law is referenced from wikipedia with particular reference to the territory in which I currently reside: Police and Justice Act 2006 5.36.3.2.a ( <a href="http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/48/section/36" rel="nofollow">http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/48/section/36</a>) which makes it a crime where I live to purposefully apply my computing resources &#8220;to impair the operation of any computer&#8221;. I&#8217;d say that what was done, regardless of semantics, falls under this heading. Let&#8217;s just hope he never tries to vacation over here, eh?</p>
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		<title>By: Strayn Janus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Strayn Janus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Sep 2010 00:20:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@jocelyn:

I generally skip your tl;dr rants (and let&#039;s face it, that&#039;s what they seem to be largely), but I was searching through for another reference to myself and happened upon your questioning of my credentials, therefore I feel somewhat obliged to reply (and in less than 2000 words, aren&#039;t you lucky!)

I have been involved in the IT security field pretty much since there *was* an IT security field. I was involved in securing links to the internet back in the early 90s if that helps give you a timeframe.

From my knowledge of Gaara, he chooses his words roughly as carefully as I do. His &quot;most likely&quot; simply meant to imply that that is the impression he has of me - and inSL (tm) that&#039;s really all we have.

As regards &quot;superceded&quot; nomenclature, have the word &quot;the&quot;, &quot;it&quot; and &quot;computer&quot; been superceded&quot;? They have not, mostly because they define accurately the item in question. And if you&#039;d bothered to check the source properly, you&#039;d have noticed that the page was last updated 9 years ago rather than 13, and they didn&#039;t see fit to revise history at that point either

 lrn2troll
kthxbai</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@jocelyn:</p>
<p>I generally skip your tl;dr rants (and let&#8217;s face it, that&#8217;s what they seem to be largely), but I was searching through for another reference to myself and happened upon your questioning of my credentials, therefore I feel somewhat obliged to reply (and in less than 2000 words, aren&#8217;t you lucky!)</p>
<p>I have been involved in the IT security field pretty much since there *was* an IT security field. I was involved in securing links to the internet back in the early 90s if that helps give you a timeframe.</p>
<p>From my knowledge of Gaara, he chooses his words roughly as carefully as I do. His &#8220;most likely&#8221; simply meant to imply that that is the impression he has of me &#8211; and inSL &#8482; that&#8217;s really all we have.</p>
<p>As regards &#8220;superceded&#8221; nomenclature, have the word &#8220;the&#8221;, &#8220;it&#8221; and &#8220;computer&#8221; been superceded&#8221;? They have not, mostly because they define accurately the item in question. And if you&#8217;d bothered to check the source properly, you&#8217;d have noticed that the page was last updated 9 years ago rather than 13, and they didn&#8217;t see fit to revise history at that point either</p>
<p> lrn2troll<br />
kthxbai</p>
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		<title>By: Judge Joker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Judge Joker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Sep 2010 18:42:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jocelyn Pawpad

Emerald to be Blocked, circumventing blocking to access Second Life with a banned Viewer is a violation of the Policy on Third Party Viewers and may result in the loss of one&#039;s account.

Guess you won&#039;t be a problem for us anymore, if your not capable or able to get into a life raft.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jocelyn Pawpad</p>
<p>Emerald to be Blocked, circumventing blocking to access Second Life with a banned Viewer is a violation of the Policy on Third Party Viewers and may result in the loss of one&#8217;s account.</p>
<p>Guess you won&#8217;t be a problem for us anymore, if your not capable or able to get into a life raft.</p>
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		<title>By: Judge Joker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Judge Joker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Sep 2010 18:37:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Slayer

Well if Second Life is going out in style, what better Client to bring that to the table than the one due after Phoenix called &quot;Firestorm&quot;, It makes you wonder if it&#039;s all been planed out or just a case of stupid branding. 

Either way this will evidently give these kids a raging &#039;H&#039;on for bouncy boobs &amp; other fetishes that fan girls like Jocelyn Pawpad &amp; Noor Loam casually bring into the mainstream as a reason that Linden Labs should never enforce legal and moral laws, or it might just upset their next sexual fix.

Also a reminder Noor, is your profile PG friendly? Lindens might take offense to such a profanity laden, sensationalistic bitchy profile that 16yos aren&#039;t meant to encounter.

Expect a lot more abuse reports heading your way Linden Labs, from shocked and horrified teenagers who are forced to use Firestorm due to Jocelyn Pawpad fan girls(!boys) &amp; a lack of sl2 interest &amp; support.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Slayer</p>
<p>Well if Second Life is going out in style, what better Client to bring that to the table than the one due after Phoenix called &#8220;Firestorm&#8221;, It makes you wonder if it&#8217;s all been planed out or just a case of stupid branding. </p>
<p>Either way this will evidently give these kids a raging &#8216;H&#8217;on for bouncy boobs &amp; other fetishes that fan girls like Jocelyn Pawpad &amp; Noor Loam casually bring into the mainstream as a reason that Linden Labs should never enforce legal and moral laws, or it might just upset their next sexual fix.</p>
<p>Also a reminder Noor, is your profile PG friendly? Lindens might take offense to such a profanity laden, sensationalistic bitchy profile that 16yos aren&#8217;t meant to encounter.</p>
<p>Expect a lot more abuse reports heading your way Linden Labs, from shocked and horrified teenagers who are forced to use Firestorm due to Jocelyn Pawpad fan girls(!boys) &amp; a lack of sl2 interest &amp; support.</p>
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		<title>By: Slayer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Slayer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Sep 2010 17:13:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jocelyn Pawpad  Damn did someone wake up on the rag this morning?

I am not the slightest bit surprised  about phoenix being emerald with a new wrapper. These clowns lied once. So why should anyone  believe anything that falls out of the side of their neck?

I tell you what, after seeing the emerald people get away with what they have done and Linden Labs doing little or nothing about it. I should become a griefer, crash sims, copybot everything in sight. After all, Linden Labs will not do a damn thing about it.
Wait until the kiddies join the grid at the end of the year and start griefing. I hope everyone  has fun because you know damn well Linden Labs will do nothing about it.

To quote Blondin Linden on how will the kiddies act  &quot; like the movie Lord of the flies.&quot;   I still picture the mob of kids chasing another kid across a burning island.

&quot; Lord of the flies.&quot;  that is a bright future for Second Life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jocelyn Pawpad  Damn did someone wake up on the rag this morning?</p>
<p>I am not the slightest bit surprised  about phoenix being emerald with a new wrapper. These clowns lied once. So why should anyone  believe anything that falls out of the side of their neck?</p>
<p>I tell you what, after seeing the emerald people get away with what they have done and Linden Labs doing little or nothing about it. I should become a griefer, crash sims, copybot everything in sight. After all, Linden Labs will not do a damn thing about it.<br />
Wait until the kiddies join the grid at the end of the year and start griefing. I hope everyone  has fun because you know damn well Linden Labs will do nothing about it.</p>
<p>To quote Blondin Linden on how will the kiddies act  &#8221; like the movie Lord of the flies.&#8221;   I still picture the mob of kids chasing another kid across a burning island.</p>
<p>&#8221; Lord of the flies.&#8221;  that is a bright future for Second Life.</p>
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		<title>By: Scree Raymaker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scree Raymaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Sep 2010 15:37:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phox is listed because Phoenix is a fork of Emerald. The last addition to the code by Phox was 8 days ago, before the developer infighting started and before Phoenix was created.

Also, LordGregGreg&#039;s source code updates list his real name: http://hg.phoenixviewer.com/phoenix-sg/shortlog/144?revcount=120</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phox is listed because Phoenix is a fork of Emerald. The last addition to the code by Phox was 8 days ago, before the developer infighting started and before Phoenix was created.</p>
<p>Also, LordGregGreg&#8217;s source code updates list his real name: <a href="http://hg.phoenixviewer.com/phoenix-sg/shortlog/144?revcount=120" rel="nofollow">http://hg.phoenixviewer.com/phoenix-sg/shortlog/144?revcount=120</a></p>
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		<title>By: Bubblesort</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bubblesort</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Sep 2010 15:22:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phox only submitted a cmake file because he knows LL won&#039;t accept any viewer he&#039;s touched the code on.  He did it on purpose to fuck over Jessica&#039;s fork.

Either way, I don&#039;t care if phox or jessica is the &quot;victim&quot; here.  Just ignore it, and hope that LL will actually go through with their threat to ban emerald and the emerald dev team, because until LL does, modular systems has successfully called LL&#039;s bluff.  That means LL is no longer calling the shots, MS is.

Why is this bad?  Say what you want about LL, they are not malicious like MS is.  LL is incompetent, sure, but MS is mean.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phox only submitted a cmake file because he knows LL won&#8217;t accept any viewer he&#8217;s touched the code on.  He did it on purpose to fuck over Jessica&#8217;s fork.</p>
<p>Either way, I don&#8217;t care if phox or jessica is the &#8220;victim&#8221; here.  Just ignore it, and hope that LL will actually go through with their threat to ban emerald and the emerald dev team, because until LL does, modular systems has successfully called LL&#8217;s bluff.  That means LL is no longer calling the shots, MS is.</p>
<p>Why is this bad?  Say what you want about LL, they are not malicious like MS is.  LL is incompetent, sure, but MS is mean.</p>
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		<title>By: Melisse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Melisse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Sep 2010 07:59:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good morning,

maybe I just need my coffee, but I have heard from two sources that Phox aka Lonely Bluebird is also involved in the Phoenix-Project. 
Yesterday someone was praising about the new Viewer Phoenix and copied from some pages some information and sent it to me in SL. She also has sent me the staff-list, where I have seen also the name _Phox inside. This morning I was just thinking: I have to recheck this.. so I got on their Homepage, but there was no _Phox listed yet. (I will adress the person who has given me the list name this afternoon and ask for the source of her staff-list). But now Lestat has postet a link, in which various *.cmake - files are listed, which are used in Phoenix. One of these *.cmake-files is made by Phox. So now my big question here for the moment: Is Phox aka Lonely Bluebird involved there? Could it be that the staff is trying to keep some secrets? 

Plus (additional bonus): How can we be sure that e.g. Fractured Crystal isn&#039;t also in the staff with just another staff name? In the internet you can change and ditch names so easily.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good morning,</p>
<p>maybe I just need my coffee, but I have heard from two sources that Phox aka Lonely Bluebird is also involved in the Phoenix-Project.<br />
Yesterday someone was praising about the new Viewer Phoenix and copied from some pages some information and sent it to me in SL. She also has sent me the staff-list, where I have seen also the name _Phox inside. This morning I was just thinking: I have to recheck this.. so I got on their Homepage, but there was no _Phox listed yet. (I will adress the person who has given me the list name this afternoon and ask for the source of her staff-list). But now Lestat has postet a link, in which various *.cmake &#8211; files are listed, which are used in Phoenix. One of these *.cmake-files is made by Phox. So now my big question here for the moment: Is Phox aka Lonely Bluebird involved there? Could it be that the staff is trying to keep some secrets? </p>
<p>Plus (additional bonus): How can we be sure that e.g. Fractured Crystal isn&#8217;t also in the staff with just another staff name? In the internet you can change and ditch names so easily.</p>
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		<title>By: Danziel Lane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Danziel Lane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Sep 2010 06:09:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@GD: &quot;Sure, Nelson, now lets see Phoenix’ devteam release their RL identities.&quot;

As a first example, Dimentox joined the Phoenix dev team and we know his RL identity. And this is a big difference to the Eme-Team, who were all hidden. 
Now, as there is one well known dev in the team, the others can&#039;t act as the Eme team did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@GD: &#8220;Sure, Nelson, now lets see Phoenix’ devteam release their RL identities.&#8221;</p>
<p>As a first example, Dimentox joined the Phoenix dev team and we know his RL identity. And this is a big difference to the Eme-Team, who were all hidden.<br />
Now, as there is one well known dev in the team, the others can&#8217;t act as the Eme team did.</p>
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		<title>By: Friend of all</title>
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		<dc:creator>Friend of all</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Sep 2010 03:49:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Nelson Jenkins

Jay is working on Phoenix but on an alt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Nelson Jenkins</p>
<p>Jay is working on Phoenix but on an alt.</p>
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