Not going to argue, just wanted to point a few things out:

“To publish copies of any illegally recorded conversations on the internet without the permission of all involved is a crime. In Australia it’s a federal offence to record and retransmit any conversation without the consent of those recorded.”

It is in California as well.

“I try to weight thing up and balance between the features offered by EV that were welcomed and accepted by so many people vs the questionable acts done by just a few of the development team. There is no proof that all members of the team were involved in these issues.”

As I’ve said before, the team was only as good as its most malicious dev. In addition, while most of the devs knew about the DDoS plan before it was put into action, none of them tried to stop it.

“Do you think LL might not have disassembled the Emerald Viewer source and know exactly what was being logged by now?”

I doubt they did. It was pretty much obvious what was going on, and I’d assume that Phox would only try to hijack the accounts of those who brought down Emerald. Those people, if they used Emerald previously (like me), should have changed their passwords already (like I did). Even so, if some crazy loon that gets hard over Emerald source code gets hacked, he deserves it.

“Lets face it, the only ones to have gained by it are the ones who are now banned so makes good sense to have called it don’t you think?”

Bans mean nothing except losing inventory and a rez date, you know that, right? (You don’t even lose inventory if you have it backed up, like Fractured did.)

I have a note in my profile stating I log all chat conversations (for my own reference only) and advise anyone who does not wish to have their conversation recorded to simply not chat with me!

I personally think things have been blown out of proportion but that is just my opinion. I try to weight thing up and balance between the features offered by EV that were welcomed and accepted by so many people vs the questionable acts done by just a few of the development team. There is no proof that all members of the team were involved in these issues.

Beer Monster; with reference to the above suggestion that banned Modular/Emerald members might have been using your account, without presenting evidence, you should be careful stating that sort of thing. At the very least you could have done something about it right there and then, like snap some pics, save the general chat records, take note of exactly who was there, and record the voice chat for evidence ONLY to be handed to LL. If you didn’t, then your comments are simply fuel to add to a situation.

Do you think LL might not have disassembled the Emerald Viewer source and know exactly what was being logged by now? If they were aware the log in password was being compromised they would have warned anyone who had used the EV to change their log in password. Lets face it, the only ones to have gained by it are the ones who are now banned so makes good sense to have called it don’t you think?

You say you had previously contacted LL about it and LL have confirmed the logins and emails were as you mentioned etc yet you logged in using an alt at a later time and STILL find your account active in Emerald Point sim?? Does that not seem odd?? Given you just presented a situation that SHOULD have been of high priority to LL they would have acted rapidly to rectify it.

i contacted SL via email for information and it seems my account was logged into from an ip address in the usa, i asked the lindens to change my password and send it to my email address, they asked me what my email address was and it was recently changed to an email address from an account that was just recently banned.

they clarified what happnd and it turns out they also have the ip# which was from a recently banned account.

it seems the emerald ppl collected more info than they let on, it seems emerald collected user logins as well,

i logged into sl today on an alt and i saw myself in emerald point and lo and behold i watched em talk to some other ppl and 1 of em was my rl friends account (he was next to me rl at the time) and from the way they were talking on voice i swear it was frac and phox and they were bragging about how ll will never stop them.

i wish i could have took a screenshot but that doesnt prove it if i could have recorded voice then i would have but dumb shit me dident.

SL has reset my password and a few ppl i know in sl and they have also let me change my rl info details on my account.

today LL logged several dozen attempts to log into my account all from the same address.

seems the emerald crew have stolen ppl’s login details to use for there own means

Hamlet Au just went INSANE!

Hamlet is now a Blue Mars Consultant!

http://thebotzone.net/2010/09/09/holy-moly-hamlet-au-goes-insane/

The problem is that the TOS is “artfully” enforced, so nobody really knows what will get you banned and what will not get you banned, and if you do get banned then how do ban appeals work? Nobody knows this. If they want to turn a blind eye to people hacking half the SL user base for a DDoS attack but hardware block people for particle spamming then I think we need to start asking ourselves, “what will get me banned in SL, and does the TOS accurately describe the kinds of activities I need to avoid in order to retain my digital identity and assets?”

I don’t see how anybody can sink serious assets into SL without some kind of transparency from the people who have the power to remove all of those assets with a few keystrokes.

Riiiight.

Tell you what. You take the lead and publish your name address and phone number, and then we’ll follow suit.

Trust me.

To fix the corruption in the governance system there needs to at least be transparency. Once you have that you can talk about juries and whatnot. That’s minor details compared to lack of transparency. Without transparency the g-team can be as corrupt as they like without repercussion, and we have no way to offer suggestions on how to improve things if we don’t know how things work to begin with.