That, times a thousand.

Personally I think Kiddoh covered things moderately well. Between LL, the JLU, and the Emerald Devs, WU in general was having it rough. I’m pretty much a newbie but from what I saw, all at once:

LL was basically giving shit tons of only moderately reasonable negotiations and terms just for WU to remain on the grid of SL at all before the whole Emerald fiasco occured(I could be wrong but I’m pretty sure it was before then), and only through one person as a mediator to send messages between LL and WU, they refused to use anyone else but one person, and that person refused at times to even deliver certain agreement terms to LL from WU in the first place, only making things more difficult. I know one of these terms included literally closing away WU’s sims, so that no one outside WU could enter and no one in the group could leave(no one, not even the lesser members, so for example, I, who spent a good portion, but not all, of my time there, wouldn’t have been able to go where other people I talked to are and hang out with them).

At around the same time the JLU were breathing down WU’s neck, crying “Griefer!”, “ToS Violation!”, and “AR!” at everything WU did on the grid, going as far as to claim my presence in a Jewish history sim that they caught wind of through someone in WU relaying private messages(a violation in and of itself of the ToS), was to grief it, when I was doing nothing of the sort, then, from what I read in the leaked wiki, stated to have AR’d me for simply having a pick in my profile stating I do not tolerate furries that go around whining that all humans need to die, something I had a couple experiences with prior to the event, stating that it was an intolerance statement towards furries. Every time a WU member left the home sims the JLU hounded them like dogs and attempted to catch them for as much shit as possible.

As for Emerald they just added to the BS with their usual shit, and after the wiki leak performed by the Wrong Hands, used the alledged hacking of their site to uncover classified information(that was actually info that revealed a bit of a moral scandal at the least on Emerald’s part), as a reason to get LL to ban everyone in owner status in the WH and in WU. All owners, when the event itself was perpetrated primarily by one or two people, and while not the comic book kid cartoon hero style of justifiable, was more or less more justifiable than what was uncovered through it.

“Secondly, you’re not victims, and you’re not heroes, let’s dispense with that notion right away.”

No one ever had that notion. It was all just about revealing the ED’s BS, nothing about being the heroes, and as far as I recall, not every WU member is even posting everywhere whining about being victims.

“Other people are victims, and they were the people you sacrificed to gratify your own egos – and of course your online identities are important to you, or you wouldn’t cling to yours long after its Second Life counterpart had been deleted.”

If you’re referring to the other members that were banned as a result, no, they weren’t sacrificed by WU, they were sacrificed by the Emerald Devs. Actually, scratch that. I really have no idea whether it was the ED’s idea or LL’s idea to just can everyone with high ranking ownership status in WU. But WU wasn’t the one that made the decision over who to ban. Also, quite a few left SL for good after being banned.

“It’s like Gaara Sandalwood repeatedly claiming he wasn’t a griefer, and then having those chat logs reposted showing him participating in a raid each time, and then him joining a new thread and pretending it didn’t happen.”

Oh wow. To be honest, I just noticed this about ten seconds ago. I’m getting pretty popular, aren’t I? Usually the only people who actually address my presence here are those directly arguing with me already. Okay, I guess I may as well elaborate here, for the umpteenth time. I’ll do it in a very specific breakdown, since everyone that labels me a griefer that I explain this to seems to not care about the opinions of the one they’re persecuting and/or keep their fingers jammed in their ears screaming “LALALALALALALALALA I’M NOT LISTENING!” every time I do this.

-> There was a WU member called KFCMan Nexen, who decided to start shit and do raids.

-> Me, not wanting to actually do it out of sheer laziness, tagged along on a couple of them. Just to watch. Now, I know it’s a common perspective that I’m not completely innocent for sitting back and watching, like it’s a show, so no, I’m not claiming to be completely innocent, just not an outright griefer and bane of all that exists in SL.

-> KFC’s idea was a wash, because just about every sim he plans to try a raid in, get this, is utterly fucking empty. So, I mention in chat that it was lame, and another guy mentions this sim called Zeide Kamp. So I say, quote, “Okay, screw KFC’s fail plans, I’m visiting there”. Apparently, the person exchanging private chat messages sent that to the JLU from WU group chat. I didn’t plan on raiding it, I was just bored, but the JLU decided that was a que to kick into action.

-> I enter the sim to find Kara Timtam and Maverick Grunfeld, with Greenlanter Excelsior flying around with his fancy power ring on. Now, none of what was released in the private wiki regarding my chat comments were altered. I did say “JLU fag here, need /b/lackup”. Why I did was the misunderstanding. See, I was a hell of a newbie then. I had no clue what the JLU were at the time, I didn’t really read up much about them aside from alledged rumors that they AR at the drop of a hat and use whatever methods necessary to brand other players they think are doing something wrong griefers. So I did what caim naturally to someone in my position, because honestly, yes, I was a tad frightened.

-> Although I also knew at the time they couldn’t do anything towards me regarding getting me banned unless I really was griefing(which I wasn’t, unless standing around is griefing), I was also annoyed at the idea that these people were, as far as I knew, hounding people in a group that rarely started shit save for one or two times before the wiki leak, and harassing them. Even the people that didn’t do anything were being kept a watchful eye on by other normal players who thought, or at the very least acted as if, they had official power in the grid. Therefore, I just acted out of impulse.

-> What do ya know, the wiki is leaked soon after and what do I find in it about me? A AR report regarding the aforementioned furry pick I used to have do to some run-ins with those kind I’ve had prior. They really did try to pick as much out of em as possible to label me a griefer, or at least some form of being morally wrong. As if that’s not enough, they reported that I was trying to grief in one article and even started labeling me “WU raiding party member Gaara Sandalwood” in future articles after that had anything to do with WU members and WU in general.

-> “then having those chat logs reposted showing him participating in a raid each time”

-> It was one chat log. One. From the WU group chat. One, not numerous. I was a observer of….three, if my recollection serves me right, and all three were performed by KFC Nexen who chose a sim each time that was empty. So no, not numerous raids. Nice try though.

-> “and then him joining a new thread and pretending it didn’t happen.”

-> I never pretended it didn’t happen. I just stopped talking about it. I try not to be a broken record, but people have brought this up a few times regarding me being a griefer(one person even stated he sent notecards to various Jewish religion based sims owners, including Zeide Kamp, and told them I was a horrible griefer that needed to be kept out, which I fixed appropriately in a nice civil conversation with the owner of that sim and the surrounding sims), so, I just defend myself accordingly. Honestly, now it’s not a matter of defending myself, just proving the blatant idiots wrong who just bust in to bitch about it.

There, done with that, thank god.

“It’s called “denial”.”

That sounds like what you’re doing right now actually.

“It.

Is.

Over.”

Good to know, please move on. I want more relating to this whole hacktivism, not more blatant crap and bitching from people who refuse to let the past go and preach to high heaven about how bad a group no longer existing in SL is.

And now, hopefully, we can get back on track to the more relevant stuff.

Please, allow me to address everything in your response.

“First of all, I think if you polled the vast majority of people who got banned because they knew somebody who may have been in Woodbury and did nothing else wrong and still got banned (and there are a number of them) I don’t think very many of them would be cheering for the Wrong Hands. People lost businesses and livelihoods. Not many did, but some did.”

What’s your source on this matter? It’s common knowledge that the only people who were banned because of The Wrong Hands were leader-figures in Woodbury and The Wrong Hands itself. I know I sure as hell didn’t do anything to deserve getting super-banned and had a pretty clean record– even the JLU didn’t have shit on me. Also; please give some examples of people who lost their businesses and livelihoods because of The Wrong Hands, otherwise you’re making shit up.

“Secondly, you’re not victims, and you’re not heroes, let’s dispense with that notion right away. Other people are victims, and they were the people you sacrificed to gratify your own egos – and of course your online identities are important to you, or you wouldn’t cling to yours long after its Second Life counterpart had been deleted.”

Last I checked I was never a member of The Wrong Hands, in fact I was one of those people sacrificed. You’ll notice I only used the term “we” when I began to talk about those who were caught in the crossfire and now cheer for TWH. And no, internet identities are not important, and I would prefer if you didn’t tell me what I think is important from now on. I didn’t give a shit when I was banned and I still don’t. Internet Identities aren’t worth one cent, botters show identities can be mass produced, alts show identities can be discarded at any time.

“Now, the only place Tizzers Foxchases exists, for example, is in the pages of the Herald. Nowhere else. Maybe his own blog site. But that’s it, there’s no “Tizzers Foxchase” in Second Life anymore than he can admit to without getting it banned. So, uh, no.”

Yes, because SecondLife is the only place where you can have an internet identity. -/sarcasm-
Oh and by the way: http://blog.bluemars.com/2010/09/blue-world-street-style-tizzers.html

“And the next point is that you seem to have the idea that you accomplished something, and you haven’t, except to trash yourselves. So nobody threw you under the bus in the same way you did to your friends. You did that one all on your own, you clever bunnies.”

Oh my, last I checked I didn’t throw anyone under a bus. I hope you realize I’m not part of The Wrong Hands. But if anyone’s doing good at trashing themselves, it’s you with your clear lack of desire for objectivity. I would say The Wrong Hands has accomplished plenty of things, they exposed the JLU as well as Emerald before anyone else.

“(Whenever somebody says “I can assure you”, by the way, it’s a sure sign he’s lying.)”

-sarcasm- Yes, I must clearly be lying about my own opinion. Secretly I must resent The Wrong Hands for accidentally getting me banned in a video game and all the other people in the world are saints. -/sarcasm-

“Finally, if you were so good at applying the Art of War, why did you lose? I mean, don’t you feel a little silly pushing that particular chestnut around with your nose at this point? Everybody who reads the Herald at all knows how it all ended up. It’s like Gaara Sandalwood repeatedly claiming he wasn’t a griefer, and then having those chat logs reposted showing him participating in a raid each time, and then him joining a new thread and pretending it didn’t happen.”

If the Wrong Hands Lost, why are they still causing so much “damage”? On the internet, the only way to lose, is to give up. Also; do you seriously think Gaara is the voice of WU and WTH? Hardly anyone knows him or ever saw him when WU was still around.

“It’s called “denial”. And you are broken down to your smallest atomic parts, below which no more breakage is possible. I’d say that’s pretty broken.”

-sarcasm- Oh I must be, why should I even bother with all that I have done in my Real Life now that I am banned from Second Life. Second Life is…

JUST

SO

IMPORTANT

LIKE FOOD

AND WATER

YOU DIE IN GAME YOU DIE FOR REAL, OH GOD!-/sarcasm-

“I don’t remember the name of who else posted this, and I don’t feel like looking it up, but I’ll repeat it here:
Kiddoh, it’s time to let go and move on.
It.
Is.
Over.”

Based on how you have a clear bias and no regards for objectivity, and an actual malice… I believe that doing what you tell me to do would be ill-advised.
Oh and the person you’re repeating is Nelson Jenkins, and that was just as effective then as it was now. In fact, I believe I personally pimp slapped him a couple of times when he he got a little out of hand and refused to listen with that statement.

And like I said, it’s all a matter of perspective, you think WTH is villainous, I think they’re Heroes.

First of all, I think if you polled the vast majority of people who got banned because they knew somebody who may have been in Woodbury and did nothing else wrong and still got banned (and there are a number of them) I don’t think very many of them would be cheering for the Wrong Hands. People lost businesses and livelihoods. Not many did, but some did.

Secondly, you’re not victims, and you’re not heroes, let’s dispense with that notion right away. Other people are victims, and they were the people you sacrificed to gratify your own egos – and of course your online identities are important to you, or you wouldn’t cling to yours long after its Second Life counterpart had been deleted.

Now, the only place Tizzers Foxchases exists, for example, is in the pages of the Herald. Nowhere else. Maybe his own blog site. But that’s it, there’s no “Tizzers Foxchase” in Second Life anymore than he can admit to without getting it banned. So, uh, no.

And the next point is that you seem to have the idea that you accomplished something, and you haven’t, except to trash yourselves. So nobody threw you under the bus in the same way you did to your friends. You did that one all on your own, you clever bunnies.

(Whenever somebody says “I can assure you”, by the way, it’s a sure sign he’s lying.)

Finally, if you were so good at applying the Art of War, why did you lose? I mean, don’t you feel a little silly pushing that particular chestnut around with your nose at this point? Everybody who reads the Herald at all knows how it all ended up. It’s like Gaara Sandalwood repeatedly claiming he wasn’t a griefer, and then having those chat logs reposted showing him participating in a raid each time, and then him joining a new thread and pretending it didn’t happen.

It’s called “denial”. And you are broken down to your smallest atomic parts, below which no more breakage is possible. I’d say that’s pretty broken.

I don’t remember the name of who else posted this, and I don’t feel like looking it up, but I’ll repeat it here:

Kiddoh, it’s time to let go and move on.

It.

Is.

Over.

” 1. Sun Tzu said: In the practical art of war, the best
thing of all is to take the enemy’s country whole and intact;
to shatter and destroy it is not so good. So, too, it is
better to recapture an army entire than to destroy it,
to capture a regiment, a detachment or a company entire
than to destroy them.

2. Hence to fight and conquer in all your battles
is not supreme excellence; supreme excellence consists
in breaking the enemy’s resistance without fighting.

3. Thus the highest form of generalship is to
balk the enemy’s plans; the next best is to prevent
the junction of the enemy’s forces; the next in
order is to attack the enemy’s army in the field;
and the worst policy of all is to besiege walled cities.

4. The rule is, not to besiege walled cities if it
can possibly be avoided. The preparation of mantlets,
movable shelters, and various implements of war, will take
up three whole months; and the piling up of mounds over
against the walls will take three months more.

5. The general, unable to control his irritation,
will launch his men to the assault like swarming ants,
with the result that one-third of his men are slain,
while the town still remains untaken. Such are the disastrous
effects of a siege.” – Sun Tzu on the Art of War.

What it means is. It’s never a good idea to try and completely crush your enemy especially when they have a wall of protection–it’s was waste of time and resources. It also means you should not back your enemies into corners where the only option they have is to fight.

These are the rules SL, Emerald, JLU, and who ever else seem to be breaking constantly in regards to The Wrong Hands and groups of the like. In the realm of the meta-verse where every individual has their own form of a walled city and there is in no sense true mortality, all SL, Emerald, JLU, and w/e are really doing is losing time and resources on trying to crush numerous walled cities that cannot be broken. As they continue to back groups like The Wrong Hands into corners, those groups will have no choice but to fight back because not only do they have no other options, they also have nothing left to lose.

“So they can crow like roosters if it makes them happy, but they’ll always be outside with their nosed pressed against the glass, and that’s not something you can fix – and it’s not something the Wrong Hands or Foxchase cared about, either, they were going to throw everybody under the bus if that’s what it took to get their revenge, and that’s exactly what ended up happening.”

I can assure you that even the innocent who where banned are rooting for The Wrong Hands. To us, it was the Lindens that threw us under a bus that The Wrong Hands happened to be driving. Our annoyance turns to joy hearing that people who are corrupt enough to ignore objectivity and discard the innocent with the guilty are getting what they deserve, is that not the justice heroes often talk about? And when has an identity ever mattered to heroes? Never has a hero needed a face in order to do what they do, and many of them choose to not have one such as “Deepthroat” and his involvement in the Watergate Scandal.

It’s all really a matter of perspective. People can be heroes in some people’s eyes and villains in the eyes of others.