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		<title>By: Kinoko</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2010/09/linden-labs-missing-statistics.html/comment-page-1#comment-64904</link>
		<dc:creator>Kinoko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Sep 2010 22:42:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know enough about hacking, and virus not to get one. I know how copybots work, and I understand that anyone can Log IP and such. I just use it because Skills Hak is doing illegal things, and because he is abusing the system. If he did not abuse, provided customer support, and such I really wouldn&#039;t care, as long as he were using it for good things to actually help the community, but he isn&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know enough about hacking, and virus not to get one. I know how copybots work, and I understand that anyone can Log IP and such. I just use it because Skills Hak is doing illegal things, and because he is abusing the system. If he did not abuse, provided customer support, and such I really wouldn&#8217;t care, as long as he were using it for good things to actually help the community, but he isn&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Judge Joker</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2010/09/linden-labs-missing-statistics.html/comment-page-1#comment-64890</link>
		<dc:creator>Judge Joker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Sep 2010 13:17:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>/me Yawns

Who want&#039;s to be Charlie?  &quot;Good Morning Furries&quot;

Good morning, Charlie!</description>
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<p>Who want&#8217;s to be Charlie?  &#8220;Good Morning Furries&#8221;</p>
<p>Good morning, Charlie!</p>
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		<title>By: Judge Joker</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2010/09/linden-labs-missing-statistics.html/comment-page-1#comment-64889</link>
		<dc:creator>Judge Joker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Sep 2010 13:05:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just woke up, is this about data collection again? why do you people not understand that once you can tie an avatar to someone you do not like with an actual IP it can be used for hacking purposes if it&#039;s fresh data.

SL is the wild west, your only supposed to have the avatar name and a UUID, not the guys home where you can rape and murder his family and harass him all day about it.

It&#039;s all ready been proven because of #emeraldgate that these individuals are willing and without recriminations to launch DDoS attacks on people who are critical of them.

So please for the last time stop fucking saying it&#039;s OK and no big shit for someone to have your IP.

There&#039;s a major difference between visiting a random website &quot;which only Geo locates you as an ANONYMOUS GUEST&quot; and visiting a site or Sim that &quot;Geo locates you as an AVATAR&quot;.

Think RULE ONE AND RULE TWO, as a website example of somewhere you would not want to be identified, lucky for you an IP ties you to nothing without any context data, so in a log file you just look like all the other chumps random and semi-anonymous going about your business and posting what ever the shit you want.

But once someone is able to tie you to an avatar name they can scan your computer for any vulnerabilities looking for a point of attack should you speak out against them, or sell that data on to someone who really has it in for you, and let&#039;s be honest if you have used Second Life any length of time YOU GET E-ENEMY&#039;S.

They can launch a DDoS attack on the PC or shitty MAC you use and commit other crimes like install backdoor&#039;s e.t.c. for easy access later.

They can use the IP data if fresh to identify any possible alternate avatars, which could ruin your online reputation if you have been engaged in any activity that is detrimental to your career.

And lets be honest, based on the people WE have seen defend Emerald and there original developers on this site, we can say most seem interested in just getting off even at another&#039;s expense and really don&#039;t care what people know about them.

But the reality is most people do care and have actual JOB&#039;s but this is why people think Facebook is an issue because loud mouths flaunt themselves in ways that is detrimental to their job or career which is probably crappy anyway, and worry the rest of society or researchers looking for a bit of shock factor just like every shitty journalist looking for a new scoop.

The rest of us try to maintain a relatively good online identity, though in my case I&#039;m only fucked when the fat lady sings and I change my RL name to Bunjie.

But the difference is a major one, your granted a medium of anonymity in a web log dump, the only identifying thing being your IP unless you have a forum or website account, but you signed up to that service if that&#039;s the case, and in such cases you likely could have used a random online handle that does not identify you specifically as anything to do with inSL avatar X who they dislike.

The point is a simple one, it&#039;s not OK to data mine and the SL TOS is against that, that&#039;s why Kalel knows what he did was wrong and disappeared in the hopes it would go away.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just woke up, is this about data collection again? why do you people not understand that once you can tie an avatar to someone you do not like with an actual IP it can be used for hacking purposes if it&#8217;s fresh data.</p>
<p>SL is the wild west, your only supposed to have the avatar name and a UUID, not the guys home where you can rape and murder his family and harass him all day about it.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s all ready been proven because of #emeraldgate that these individuals are willing and without recriminations to launch DDoS attacks on people who are critical of them.</p>
<p>So please for the last time stop fucking saying it&#8217;s OK and no big shit for someone to have your IP.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a major difference between visiting a random website &#8220;which only Geo locates you as an ANONYMOUS GUEST&#8221; and visiting a site or Sim that &#8220;Geo locates you as an AVATAR&#8221;.</p>
<p>Think RULE ONE AND RULE TWO, as a website example of somewhere you would not want to be identified, lucky for you an IP ties you to nothing without any context data, so in a log file you just look like all the other chumps random and semi-anonymous going about your business and posting what ever the shit you want.</p>
<p>But once someone is able to tie you to an avatar name they can scan your computer for any vulnerabilities looking for a point of attack should you speak out against them, or sell that data on to someone who really has it in for you, and let&#8217;s be honest if you have used Second Life any length of time YOU GET E-ENEMY&#8217;S.</p>
<p>They can launch a DDoS attack on the PC or shitty MAC you use and commit other crimes like install backdoor&#8217;s e.t.c. for easy access later.</p>
<p>They can use the IP data if fresh to identify any possible alternate avatars, which could ruin your online reputation if you have been engaged in any activity that is detrimental to your career.</p>
<p>And lets be honest, based on the people WE have seen defend Emerald and there original developers on this site, we can say most seem interested in just getting off even at another&#8217;s expense and really don&#8217;t care what people know about them.</p>
<p>But the reality is most people do care and have actual JOB&#8217;s but this is why people think Facebook is an issue because loud mouths flaunt themselves in ways that is detrimental to their job or career which is probably crappy anyway, and worry the rest of society or researchers looking for a bit of shock factor just like every shitty journalist looking for a new scoop.</p>
<p>The rest of us try to maintain a relatively good online identity, though in my case I&#8217;m only fucked when the fat lady sings and I change my RL name to Bunjie.</p>
<p>But the difference is a major one, your granted a medium of anonymity in a web log dump, the only identifying thing being your IP unless you have a forum or website account, but you signed up to that service if that&#8217;s the case, and in such cases you likely could have used a random online handle that does not identify you specifically as anything to do with inSL avatar X who they dislike.</p>
<p>The point is a simple one, it&#8217;s not OK to data mine and the SL TOS is against that, that&#8217;s why Kalel knows what he did was wrong and disappeared in the hopes it would go away.</p>
<p>Or are we talking about something else?</p>
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		<title>By: Nelson Jenkins</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2010/09/linden-labs-missing-statistics.html/comment-page-1#comment-64885</link>
		<dc:creator>Nelson Jenkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Sep 2010 07:38:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Samantha

I think entirely too much is made of this cell phone records thing. The most they can do is find out who you text, and they may not even figure out who that is. Woopie.

And pr0stitutes? I&#039;m sure nobody cares if I fuck them, as long as I&#039;m not fucking them to cheat on other people, and I certainly don&#039;t care if some CCTV system records it. Why should I? Nobody could identify me from it, and you can&#039;t find me from what little information you can gain from interrogating the pr0stitutes I fuck, because I don&#039;t give them my personal information.

This is all about nothing, really.

It looks to me like the only people who are really screaming about it are suddenly having to worry about being caught with an STD, and those are the people we WANT to not have s3x with pr0stitutes. So I think wh0re detection systems are a GOOD thing.

Seriously, though, it&#039;s the principle of the thing. Whether or not it&#039;s good-intentioned (which it&#039;s been proven that it&#039;s just Skills&#039; personal grid-wide ban tool that was exploited by Phox, Fractured, and Amalia for several accounts, no doubt including mine), it violates the Second Life ToS, California state law (which Second Life operates under, as per their own ToS), U.S. federal law, and international treaties. The statutory fine that the U.S. government could impose on zFire, the creature of zF RedZone, is simply astronomical at this point, well into the billions, if not trillions of dollars.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Samantha</p>
<p>I think entirely too much is made of this cell phone records thing. The most they can do is find out who you text, and they may not even figure out who that is. Woopie.</p>
<p>And pr0stitutes? I&#8217;m sure nobody cares if I fuck them, as long as I&#8217;m not fucking them to cheat on other people, and I certainly don&#8217;t care if some CCTV system records it. Why should I? Nobody could identify me from it, and you can&#8217;t find me from what little information you can gain from interrogating the pr0stitutes I fuck, because I don&#8217;t give them my personal information.</p>
<p>This is all about nothing, really.</p>
<p>It looks to me like the only people who are really screaming about it are suddenly having to worry about being caught with an STD, and those are the people we WANT to not have s3x with pr0stitutes. So I think wh0re detection systems are a GOOD thing.</p>
<p>Seriously, though, it&#8217;s the principle of the thing. Whether or not it&#8217;s good-intentioned (which it&#8217;s been proven that it&#8217;s just Skills&#8217; personal grid-wide ban tool that was exploited by Phox, Fractured, and Amalia for several accounts, no doubt including mine), it violates the Second Life ToS, California state law (which Second Life operates under, as per their own ToS), U.S. federal law, and international treaties. The statutory fine that the U.S. government could impose on zFire, the creature of zF RedZone, is simply astronomical at this point, well into the billions, if not trillions of dollars.</p>
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		<title>By: Samantha</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2010/09/linden-labs-missing-statistics.html/comment-page-1#comment-64884</link>
		<dc:creator>Samantha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Sep 2010 07:02:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It looks to me like the only people who are really screaming about it are suddenly having to worry about being caught evading bans, and those are the people we WANT to have a problem with it.  So I think alt detection systems are a GOOD thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It looks to me like the only people who are really screaming about it are suddenly having to worry about being caught evading bans, and those are the people we WANT to have a problem with it.  So I think alt detection systems are a GOOD thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Samantha</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2010/09/linden-labs-missing-statistics.html/comment-page-1#comment-64883</link>
		<dc:creator>Samantha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Sep 2010 04:42:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think entirely too much is made of this geolocation thing.  The most they can do is find out what main router your ISP is using, and they may not even get your state of residency right.  Woopie.

And alts?  I&#039;m sure nobody cares if I have them, as long as I&#039;m not using them to cause other people distress, and I certainly don&#039;t care if some detection system finds them out.  Why should I?  Nobody has my real world identity, and you can&#039;t find it from what little you can glean from Second Life or WoW or anything else I play, because I just don&#039;t put my real world information out there.

This is all about nothing, really.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think entirely too much is made of this geolocation thing.  The most they can do is find out what main router your ISP is using, and they may not even get your state of residency right.  Woopie.</p>
<p>And alts?  I&#8217;m sure nobody cares if I have them, as long as I&#8217;m not using them to cause other people distress, and I certainly don&#8217;t care if some detection system finds them out.  Why should I?  Nobody has my real world identity, and you can&#8217;t find it from what little you can glean from Second Life or WoW or anything else I play, because I just don&#8217;t put my real world information out there.</p>
<p>This is all about nothing, really.</p>
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		<title>By: Kinoko</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2010/09/linden-labs-missing-statistics.html/comment-page-1#comment-64880</link>
		<dc:creator>Kinoko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Sep 2010 20:31:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While there maybe an SL TOS, SL was developed way back in early 03/04, and I have seen some accounts from 2002. When members create an account, and purchase any virtual items, goods, or land unless at that exact moment the TOS says that they own everything, and keep certain rights over uploads, and other peoples creators then they can be held responsible for any damages no matter what.

Again back when I joined SL, there was nothing in the TOS about Copybot, and when Linden Lab sold me my Land, Estate, and I uploaded content, I was made by Linden Lab, and under the TOS, and such that I had full rights over my content, but it appears that as of 09/2010 they have taken many rights away from SL Residents including creators by forcing people who previously agreed to a TOS, to accept a new TOS, or don&#039;t use it.

Lets say for example, I wanted to Reject their new TOS, and I wanted all data 100% I uploaded, all my creations destroyed from their servers &amp; Removed 100%, because I have those rights, they would of course try to appeal a lawsuit against them under their new TOS today, but back in the day before any new TOS, creators were made to believe that they owned all content uploaded, and made by them even though it was on their servers until they changed their TOS.

LL has made many mistakes, and they probabily see what they have done, and are trying their best to make sure that their company does not go down, but let me say that it is too late for Second Life, as there are dozens, and hundreds of copybot programs out there, anything can be stolen, no security, no anything, and all LL has done since they updated their new TOS is piss off content creators, and screw Open SL up for many people, adding restrictions to those who used copybot for legal purpose like myself. I dont trust Emerald, SL Inventory, I use what ever program I want to use, but I dont rip creators Legal under their TOS or not they seem to have no way to block out such custom compiled viewers.

The reason I never trusted Emerald, is because their backup program actually sent anyones creations who were using the backup content function to Phox &amp; JCool at one point. They could easily get peoples scripts, and no one would have ever known and such. This happend at one point I am aware of, it was a malicious code in Emerald, of course they would deny it though, which is why I started using custom compiled viewers legal or not.

LL has also allowed Skills Hak, Ph0x&#039;s alternate accounts to remain in SL even though they have been deeply involved in Data Mining residents, IP/Geo Locating, they have allowed ZFire Xue to use his RedZone system which discloses Alts, and such, even though I have not been attacked by him and have respects for him some other people do have problems. 

Fact is, no one wants to dump money into SL anymore because of this, there is no such thing as protecting creators, or creators owning their content anymore, once it is uploaded LL owns all your stuff, and that has been made clear in 09/2010 TOS, but unfair to those who were not aware of this, and could not have the option to have all their data removed from SL if they wanted. Also SL is not safe, and since LL does not post on their website that Copybotting, or hackers could steal other peoples intellectual property as a warning people could sue for that, because its their security that fails at such.

So to you creators out there who are not properly informed about SL, and content theft, I give you this. One out of at least 20 pirate sites I know of sharing ripped content. Pictures are censored, and this is how they get it between grids, and share in SL without detection which is simple.

http://img715.imageshack.us/i/censoredrip.jpg/

http://img715.imageshack.us/i/censoredrip.jpg/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeTybKL1pM4 Have Fun.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While there maybe an SL TOS, SL was developed way back in early 03/04, and I have seen some accounts from 2002. When members create an account, and purchase any virtual items, goods, or land unless at that exact moment the TOS says that they own everything, and keep certain rights over uploads, and other peoples creators then they can be held responsible for any damages no matter what.</p>
<p>Again back when I joined SL, there was nothing in the TOS about Copybot, and when Linden Lab sold me my Land, Estate, and I uploaded content, I was made by Linden Lab, and under the TOS, and such that I had full rights over my content, but it appears that as of 09/2010 they have taken many rights away from SL Residents including creators by forcing people who previously agreed to a TOS, to accept a new TOS, or don&#8217;t use it.</p>
<p>Lets say for example, I wanted to Reject their new TOS, and I wanted all data 100% I uploaded, all my creations destroyed from their servers &amp; Removed 100%, because I have those rights, they would of course try to appeal a lawsuit against them under their new TOS today, but back in the day before any new TOS, creators were made to believe that they owned all content uploaded, and made by them even though it was on their servers until they changed their TOS.</p>
<p>LL has made many mistakes, and they probabily see what they have done, and are trying their best to make sure that their company does not go down, but let me say that it is too late for Second Life, as there are dozens, and hundreds of copybot programs out there, anything can be stolen, no security, no anything, and all LL has done since they updated their new TOS is piss off content creators, and screw Open SL up for many people, adding restrictions to those who used copybot for legal purpose like myself. I dont trust Emerald, SL Inventory, I use what ever program I want to use, but I dont rip creators Legal under their TOS or not they seem to have no way to block out such custom compiled viewers.</p>
<p>The reason I never trusted Emerald, is because their backup program actually sent anyones creations who were using the backup content function to Phox &amp; JCool at one point. They could easily get peoples scripts, and no one would have ever known and such. This happend at one point I am aware of, it was a malicious code in Emerald, of course they would deny it though, which is why I started using custom compiled viewers legal or not.</p>
<p>LL has also allowed Skills Hak, Ph0x&#8217;s alternate accounts to remain in SL even though they have been deeply involved in Data Mining residents, IP/Geo Locating, they have allowed ZFire Xue to use his RedZone system which discloses Alts, and such, even though I have not been attacked by him and have respects for him some other people do have problems. </p>
<p>Fact is, no one wants to dump money into SL anymore because of this, there is no such thing as protecting creators, or creators owning their content anymore, once it is uploaded LL owns all your stuff, and that has been made clear in 09/2010 TOS, but unfair to those who were not aware of this, and could not have the option to have all their data removed from SL if they wanted. Also SL is not safe, and since LL does not post on their website that Copybotting, or hackers could steal other peoples intellectual property as a warning people could sue for that, because its their security that fails at such.</p>
<p>So to you creators out there who are not properly informed about SL, and content theft, I give you this. One out of at least 20 pirate sites I know of sharing ripped content. Pictures are censored, and this is how they get it between grids, and share in SL without detection which is simple.</p>
<p><a href="http://img715.imageshack.us/i/censoredrip.jpg/" rel="nofollow">http://img715.imageshack.us/i/censoredrip.jpg/</a></p>
<p><a href="http://img715.imageshack.us/i/censoredrip.jpg/" rel="nofollow">http://img715.imageshack.us/i/censoredrip.jpg/</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeTybKL1pM4" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeTybKL1pM4</a> Have Fun.</p>
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		<title>By: Senban Babii</title>
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		<dc:creator>Senban Babii</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Sep 2010 16:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Samantha

Well I&#039;m not really in a position to comment on such things and wouldn&#039;t want to anyway.

Either way, I was simply making the point that just because something is written in TOS, it does not necessarily mean that it would stand up in a court of law.  Contract law can throw up all sorts of twists and unexpected holes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Samantha</p>
<p>Well I&#8217;m not really in a position to comment on such things and wouldn&#8217;t want to anyway.</p>
<p>Either way, I was simply making the point that just because something is written in TOS, it does not necessarily mean that it would stand up in a court of law.  Contract law can throw up all sorts of twists and unexpected holes.</p>
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		<title>By: Samantha</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2010/09/linden-labs-missing-statistics.html/comment-page-1#comment-64817</link>
		<dc:creator>Samantha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Sep 2010 13:29:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Senban, Intlibber has literally been threatening people with frivolous lawsuits for years, and nobody has ever actually been served with any papers on anything.  He&#039;s playing eLawyer, and doesn&#039;t actually have the funds to pursue any of these law suits.  If he did, he wouldn&#039;t have absconded with Woodbury&#039;s money and left them in the lurch.

If the Lindens hadn&#039;t ended Woodbury, Intlibber&#039;s theft surely would have.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Senban, Intlibber has literally been threatening people with frivolous lawsuits for years, and nobody has ever actually been served with any papers on anything.  He&#8217;s playing eLawyer, and doesn&#8217;t actually have the funds to pursue any of these law suits.  If he did, he wouldn&#8217;t have absconded with Woodbury&#8217;s money and left them in the lurch.</p>
<p>If the Lindens hadn&#8217;t ended Woodbury, Intlibber&#8217;s theft surely would have.</p>
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		<title>By: Pappy Enoch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pappy Enoch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Sep 2010 11:23:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Obvious, you done asked,

&quot;Like when you travel very fast, you travel in time?&quot;

Yep. The faster I drive to git away from them Johnny Law boys when I are makin&#039; a Shine-run, the more time I gits when I travels to the Big House.

You am a reg&#039;lar Albert Frankenstein fo&#039; figgerin&#039; it out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Obvious, you done asked,</p>
<p>&#8220;Like when you travel very fast, you travel in time?&#8221;</p>
<p>Yep. The faster I drive to git away from them Johnny Law boys when I are makin&#8217; a Shine-run, the more time I gits when I travels to the Big House.</p>
<p>You am a reg&#8217;lar Albert Frankenstein fo&#8217; figgerin&#8217; it out.</p>
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