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	<title>Comments on: Of Visionary Art and Unpaid Tier: Ina Centaur vs Linden Lab</title>
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		<title>By: noone important</title>
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		<dc:creator>noone important</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jun 2011 10:45:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yup. It roughly translates to bawwwwwing because of a sense of entitlement for being an artist. Hey, I can make something artsy. Where is my free sim, LL?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yup. It roughly translates to bawwwwwing because of a sense of entitlement for being an artist. Hey, I can make something artsy. Where is my free sim, LL?</p>
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		<title>By: Orca Flotta</title>
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		<dc:creator>Orca Flotta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jun 2011 01:23:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My point exactly!

LL&#039;s service stinks, but we love SL for our own reasons. Because we can do stuff we couldn&#039;t do in RL, because we love our fancy pixelated friends, because we can build or whatever. So we keep up with LL and tolerate their shenanigans up to a certain point.
The fact remains: LL sets the prices for membership fees, upload costs and land. We decide if these services are worth our money or not and act in accordance. It&#039;s our own free will that makes us pay 10L to upload a snapshot or monthly tier fees for land.

SL is your hobby, be prepared to pay for it. If cycling is your hobby and you can&#039;t afford a spare tyre after you had a flat - too bad, no bicycle riding for you until you have money again. If you can&#039;t afford the costs for your hobby SL - too bad, no land for you. Tier down until you have the financial strength to buy land again.

Isn&#039;t that a bitch? No, that&#039;s how it works, that&#039;s life. Don&#039;t even need a university degree in commercial science to know these things.

So, sorry, I don&#039;t have much sympathy for Mrs Centaur&#039;s problem. I&#039;d like to have 4 sims myself. OMG, what great things I could do with all that land and all those prims. But no, my financial situation doesn&#039;t allow for spending so much money on a video game. So I let it be and do my stuff on a humble 8192 sqm parcel instead of a giant multi-sim operation. Life is hard. LOL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My point exactly!</p>
<p>LL&#8217;s service stinks, but we love SL for our own reasons. Because we can do stuff we couldn&#8217;t do in RL, because we love our fancy pixelated friends, because we can build or whatever. So we keep up with LL and tolerate their shenanigans up to a certain point.<br />
The fact remains: LL sets the prices for membership fees, upload costs and land. We decide if these services are worth our money or not and act in accordance. It&#8217;s our own free will that makes us pay 10L to upload a snapshot or monthly tier fees for land.</p>
<p>SL is your hobby, be prepared to pay for it. If cycling is your hobby and you can&#8217;t afford a spare tyre after you had a flat &#8211; too bad, no bicycle riding for you until you have money again. If you can&#8217;t afford the costs for your hobby SL &#8211; too bad, no land for you. Tier down until you have the financial strength to buy land again.</p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t that a bitch? No, that&#8217;s how it works, that&#8217;s life. Don&#8217;t even need a university degree in commercial science to know these things.</p>
<p>So, sorry, I don&#8217;t have much sympathy for Mrs Centaur&#8217;s problem. I&#8217;d like to have 4 sims myself. OMG, what great things I could do with all that land and all those prims. But no, my financial situation doesn&#8217;t allow for spending so much money on a video game. So I let it be and do my stuff on a humble 8192 sqm parcel instead of a giant multi-sim operation. Life is hard. LOL</p>
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		<title>By: noone important</title>
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		<dc:creator>noone important</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2011 09:46:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First off, GG3, would it hurt to at least try to type comprehensive English? I stopped reading your post at the second line, it hurt my brain.

I see a lot of &#039;LL ripped off&#039;, &#039;overpriced&#039; and such flying around. But lets just be honest here, if you are renting land you know in advance you&#039;ll be paying trough the nose for basically nothing. And we all also know that if you dont pay the bills you lose everything. If such comes as a surprise, why werent you paying attention?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First off, GG3, would it hurt to at least try to type comprehensive English? I stopped reading your post at the second line, it hurt my brain.</p>
<p>I see a lot of &#8216;LL ripped off&#8217;, &#8216;overpriced&#8217; and such flying around. But lets just be honest here, if you are renting land you know in advance you&#8217;ll be paying trough the nose for basically nothing. And we all also know that if you dont pay the bills you lose everything. If such comes as a surprise, why werent you paying attention?</p>
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		<title>By: GG3</title>
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		<dc:creator>GG3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jun 2011 19:17:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>True dat would be with any company to cancel business, regardless of online or not but their terms of service verifies. Ina&#039;s steep debt (converted to $3,000+) is staggering and shows clear signs that LL doesn&#039;t mind over-charging and ripping their customers off for fake land that they have no real rights to. However it&#039;s not certain how long Ina has not had payment for those lands for that amount to accumulate, but she did own 4 full region sims., all which were surviving off L$ given in-world by donations. 

Tis still B.S. thou mate, who ever thought having pixels could result in having debt like a credit-card or something like in real-life. LL cancels and locks ALL your accounts down, even twas one in &quot;due&quot; or not. Dat true if u miss one single tier too? Dat&#039;s one of da reasons why LL&#039;s &quot;customer service&quot; is crap0la burning on da poo stick. In order for dis lady to get back in-world she g0tta fork over da L$&#039;s but in da process LL deletes all her crap. Dey act like dey can&#039;t do roll-backs or &quot;hold&quot; accounts for people till its paid for a certain amount 0&#039; time, dey literally give em da boot n trash all their stuff wit em. Jur in &quot;debt&quot; with da jollie LL boat lawl.

But i herdz some in-world, e-businesses n such like surviving off der land by leaning on tiers. Dats like handling ur phone-bill to a total stranger n expecting dem to pay for it on time every-time or ur in a bind lol, but den half of em dun make enough to pay dat tier off L$&#039;s strictly.

Tis bait hook n sinker. LL wants people to be dependent on der system for them to &quot;enjoy&quot; demselves. It&#039;s not just about creating stuff, trying to have fun, and running fake mini e-businzzes (wit no &quot;&quot;license&quot;&quot;, LuL), it&#039;s about milking da consumer as much as possible. LL makes land expensive cus dey greedy and want to make da consumer have &quot;value&quot; in their land by putting crazy pricing on eet. Da consumer becomes addicted to SL, u want some creations? Pay a small fee. U want land? Get main-land. Can&#039;t build what you want? Buy bigger land. Moar land more moonies for da cr00kz at the top. N before u know it u&#039;d spend hundred&#039;s of 1,000&#039;s of dollarz on da peice o crap, all locked up under LL&#039;s unless u make jur stuff outside da system.  Tis ridicolous pe0ple buy dis crap for the pricing itz at, cus at da moment SL is da most &quot;recongnized&quot; virtual world, so dey get away with the chump-change routine by hitting ur wallet full o mush. 

Even Anshe Chung can&#039;t survive if der&#039;s no SL around to supp0rt her. Tis crazy how serious business people lean on dis company for financial support when der&#039;s so many loop-holes n gaps it ain&#039;t funni3, and da legit people who hence, are basically pr0moting/supporting LL for free get da axe like dey bugs under a rock. 

Not ta mention LL enjoys &quot;sponsoring&quot; people&#039;s work but dun give em a dime for it. LL is da task-master n its customers are the &#039;&#039;free&#039;&#039; sweat-shop slaves. I&#039;ve s33n better crap den dis hoshposh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>True dat would be with any company to cancel business, regardless of online or not but their terms of service verifies. Ina&#8217;s steep debt (converted to $3,000+) is staggering and shows clear signs that LL doesn&#8217;t mind over-charging and ripping their customers off for fake land that they have no real rights to. However it&#8217;s not certain how long Ina has not had payment for those lands for that amount to accumulate, but she did own 4 full region sims., all which were surviving off L$ given in-world by donations. </p>
<p>Tis still B.S. thou mate, who ever thought having pixels could result in having debt like a credit-card or something like in real-life. LL cancels and locks ALL your accounts down, even twas one in &#8220;due&#8221; or not. Dat true if u miss one single tier too? Dat&#8217;s one of da reasons why LL&#8217;s &#8220;customer service&#8221; is crap0la burning on da poo stick. In order for dis lady to get back in-world she g0tta fork over da L$&#8217;s but in da process LL deletes all her crap. Dey act like dey can&#8217;t do roll-backs or &#8220;hold&#8221; accounts for people till its paid for a certain amount 0&#8242; time, dey literally give em da boot n trash all their stuff wit em. Jur in &#8220;debt&#8221; with da jollie LL boat lawl.</p>
<p>But i herdz some in-world, e-businesses n such like surviving off der land by leaning on tiers. Dats like handling ur phone-bill to a total stranger n expecting dem to pay for it on time every-time or ur in a bind lol, but den half of em dun make enough to pay dat tier off L$&#8217;s strictly.</p>
<p>Tis bait hook n sinker. LL wants people to be dependent on der system for them to &#8220;enjoy&#8221; demselves. It&#8217;s not just about creating stuff, trying to have fun, and running fake mini e-businzzes (wit no &#8220;&#8221;license&#8221;", LuL), it&#8217;s about milking da consumer as much as possible. LL makes land expensive cus dey greedy and want to make da consumer have &#8220;value&#8221; in their land by putting crazy pricing on eet. Da consumer becomes addicted to SL, u want some creations? Pay a small fee. U want land? Get main-land. Can&#8217;t build what you want? Buy bigger land. Moar land more moonies for da cr00kz at the top. N before u know it u&#8217;d spend hundred&#8217;s of 1,000&#8242;s of dollarz on da peice o crap, all locked up under LL&#8217;s unless u make jur stuff outside da system.  Tis ridicolous pe0ple buy dis crap for the pricing itz at, cus at da moment SL is da most &#8220;recongnized&#8221; virtual world, so dey get away with the chump-change routine by hitting ur wallet full o mush. </p>
<p>Even Anshe Chung can&#8217;t survive if der&#8217;s no SL around to supp0rt her. Tis crazy how serious business people lean on dis company for financial support when der&#8217;s so many loop-holes n gaps it ain&#8217;t funni3, and da legit people who hence, are basically pr0moting/supporting LL for free get da axe like dey bugs under a rock. </p>
<p>Not ta mention LL enjoys &#8220;sponsoring&#8221; people&#8217;s work but dun give em a dime for it. LL is da task-master n its customers are the &#8221;free&#8221; sweat-shop slaves. I&#8217;ve s33n better crap den dis hoshposh.</p>
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		<title>By: Orca Flotta</title>
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		<dc:creator>Orca Flotta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jun 2011 04:46:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure, LL ave made some poor choices during the past 8 years, some so dumb it&#039;s hard to believe they weren&#039;t made by a bunch of pre-school kids but by handsomely paid professionals. To make it short: LL as a company isn&#039;t worthy hosting their own product!

BUT
in the case of Ina Centaur it&#039;s all clear as glass. She wanted to do her Shakepear project, she did so by her own free will, because she had fun doing it. Now the poor thing is broke and can&#039;t afford the (admittedly absurdly steep) tier payments anymore. There is only one way for any economicallly thinking enterprise (and yes, LL are hosting their product SL to gain some profit, even if they are not very good at it) to act: Customer doesn&#039;t pay - cancel business with that particular customer! It was Ina&#039;s choice to rent land from LL, so she must pay for it!

It&#039;s indeed as easy as eating pancakes. In fact so easy even LL are doing it right this time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure, LL ave made some poor choices during the past 8 years, some so dumb it&#8217;s hard to believe they weren&#8217;t made by a bunch of pre-school kids but by handsomely paid professionals. To make it short: LL as a company isn&#8217;t worthy hosting their own product!</p>
<p>BUT<br />
in the case of Ina Centaur it&#8217;s all clear as glass. She wanted to do her Shakepear project, she did so by her own free will, because she had fun doing it. Now the poor thing is broke and can&#8217;t afford the (admittedly absurdly steep) tier payments anymore. There is only one way for any economicallly thinking enterprise (and yes, LL are hosting their product SL to gain some profit, even if they are not very good at it) to act: Customer doesn&#8217;t pay &#8211; cancel business with that particular customer! It was Ina&#8217;s choice to rent land from LL, so she must pay for it!</p>
<p>It&#8217;s indeed as easy as eating pancakes. In fact so easy even LL are doing it right this time.</p>
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		<title>By: GG3</title>
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		<dc:creator>GG3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jun 2011 01:56:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s obvious LL likes to loose customers, not keep them. It does not mater how long a customer has been on LL, it does not matter how much content a customer creates. Default on your tier and your account is repo&#039;ed and sent to &quot;lock-down&quot;.  Chasing false dreams under the guise of a promised &quot;Second Life&quot;, a second-life that cannot replace the first life, most important life of them all. 

Hook, Line, and Sinker. LL tips its hat in corporate gesture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s obvious LL likes to loose customers, not keep them. It does not mater how long a customer has been on LL, it does not matter how much content a customer creates. Default on your tier and your account is repo&#8217;ed and sent to &#8220;lock-down&#8221;.  Chasing false dreams under the guise of a promised &#8220;Second Life&#8221;, a second-life that cannot replace the first life, most important life of them all. </p>
<p>Hook, Line, and Sinker. LL tips its hat in corporate gesture.</p>
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		<title>By: GG3</title>
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		<dc:creator>GG3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jun 2011 01:49:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yet the SL fanboys/girls continue to drag the cup across the bars
&quot;AIYE LINDENS, AIYE SECOND LIFE!&quot;
Wonder how many customers got ripped the crap of by LL?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yet the SL fanboys/girls continue to drag the cup across the bars<br />
&#8220;AIYE LINDENS, AIYE SECOND LIFE!&#8221;<br />
Wonder how many customers got ripped the crap of by LL?</p>
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		<title>By: bod</title>
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		<dc:creator>bod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jun 2011 16:46:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@selby,

If electricity is the only cost that LL has to deal with then the solution is simple: trickle cheaper no-commerce land with high prim allowance onto the market.

I&#039;d love to have more than just 512 sq m with a paltry 100 some prim limit.

@someone unimportant,
I didn&#039;t say you couldn&#039;t export  *at all* I said you couldn&#039;t export *paid for* content. That&#039;s way different than being able to export your own made content.

That said, you *can* export paid for content as long as the creator is willing to give you the files. Typically, however, you will pay 10X the price for that and you have to negotiate each individual item you purchase.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@selby,</p>
<p>If electricity is the only cost that LL has to deal with then the solution is simple: trickle cheaper no-commerce land with high prim allowance onto the market.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d love to have more than just 512 sq m with a paltry 100 some prim limit.</p>
<p>@someone unimportant,<br />
I didn&#8217;t say you couldn&#8217;t export  *at all* I said you couldn&#8217;t export *paid for* content. That&#8217;s way different than being able to export your own made content.</p>
<p>That said, you *can* export paid for content as long as the creator is willing to give you the files. Typically, however, you will pay 10X the price for that and you have to negotiate each individual item you purchase.</p>
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		<title>By: Selby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Selby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jun 2011 08:57:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@bod The price of electricity at $295 x 4 = $1180 per month per out-of-date server... That there be some expensive electricity, mate!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@bod The price of electricity at $295 x 4 = $1180 per month per out-of-date server&#8230; That there be some expensive electricity, mate!</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Bell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Bell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jun 2011 07:16:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suspect that the SL bubble burst long since, and the lab is trapped by sparsely-populated Mainland. They have to charge the tier rates they do to cover the costs of the empty land.

They&#039;re also unwilling to reorganise Mainland. Look at the chain of regions which finally provide a navigable water route to Bay City. If canals had been dug across a couple of regions they wouldn&#039;t need the extra space. But that would mean some Residents having to be relocated. In the end, SL is dragged down by poor historical choices, which can never be changed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suspect that the SL bubble burst long since, and the lab is trapped by sparsely-populated Mainland. They have to charge the tier rates they do to cover the costs of the empty land.</p>
<p>They&#8217;re also unwilling to reorganise Mainland. Look at the chain of regions which finally provide a navigable water route to Bay City. If canals had been dug across a couple of regions they wouldn&#8217;t need the extra space. But that would mean some Residents having to be relocated. In the end, SL is dragged down by poor historical choices, which can never be changed.</p>
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