by Pixeleen Mistral on 12/01/07 at 2:45 am
Mafia extortion price lists revealed
-by sparrowhawk perhaps
[Gorean administrator Charles Tiramisu reveals mafia-style extortion attempts against Gorean cities along with price lists from alleged extortionists - services cost up to L$ 40,000/month -- nearly $200 USD. Admin Tiramisu also discuses extreme brutality, slave exports, women, and ageplay concerns in an exclusive interview with the Herald. -the editrix]
Sparrowhawk Perhaps: I am sitting here today with Charles Tiramisu, the Administrator for the Gorean islands of Tancred’s Landing and Tancred’s West. Many thanks to You, Admin for taking time out of Your busy day to be with us today.
Charles Tiramisu: My Pleasure
SP: I wonder if You might begin by telling us a little bit about Tancred’s?
CT: Aye, Tancreds Landing, and Tancreds West, are all one big area spread out over two SIMS in SL Gor. They are situated along the Vosk River, and a part of the Vosk League
SP: I see.
CT: It is a peaceful township, known for their trade and their tradeships along the Vosk
SP: Does Tancred’s have any particular exports or trade — Tyros, for example is known for cherries, I believe…
CT: We are known for our Slaves and their exquisite training
SP: good exports, then — smiles
SP: In SL, among Gorean roleplayers, there appears to be a rather large spectrum — all the way from the people who shall we say are delicate, to the book purists, to the goth-goreans. Where do you place Tancred’s in that spectrum?
CT: We keep to the books as closely as we can, with some leeway in the RP, but there are also some lines we do not cross, nor allow, as they are VERY specific in the books.
Women with submachine guns not welcome
SP: Could You give an example of a line You would advise Your city not to cross?
CT: Women Armed, with weapons that the books SPECIFICALLY call out as not possible, such as, the books describe a female of Gor, fully grown, to have the strength of a 12 year old earth boy — Not able to handle the massive swords, and spears of the full grown Gorean Male — And many women come into Gor, and arm themselves to the hilt as such
SP: so if I understand You correctly, You would look away from some panthers armed with submachine guns and the like?
CT: Technology is not allowed, period, High Tech weapons are an instant ban as a griefer, and it is outlined quite well in the Laws and sim guidelines
SP: Yes, I just wanted You to clarify that for readers not familiar with Gorean culture.
CT: I see
Extreme violence and brutality
SP: I have been told by sources who refuse to be named, that there is increasing incidence of what we might call sadistic behavior in Gor — such as cutting of genitals, and carving initials, etc. Are You able to say if You have seen any such things?
CT: There has been an ever increasing of “Who can be the most Brutal” — I have seen Panthers that have had there fingers cut off, names carved, etc, and likewise Panthers that cut off men’s parts as well
SP: I know of one incident personally where a Man of my acquaintance had initials carved in His chest by a panther.
CT: That is something I am correcting in Tancreds, as that will not be tolerated nor allowed, there are some things that were done, such as if a Panther were caught, she was shorn of her hair, then branded and usually sold. Those that would learn more of True Panther and Warrior’s behaviors should read “The Hunters of Gor”
SPk: So Your position would be that what we would call maiming, for lack of a better word, is not within the Gorean charter as written by Norman
CT: The only true maiming was done by the Torturers in the Plains, the Tuchuks to be specific, and that was only to acquire knowledge, not for some sick fantasy/fun thing. And that was not for the purpose to dismember
SP: that’s good to know. I have noticed in the last year or so, an increase of people coming into Gor from a very violent game called Sociolotron. Have You heard of this game?
CT: No I have not
SP: Sociolotron, or Socio, as the players call it, is a very violent game that features extremely violent sexual RP. Someone of my acquaintance even described to me
CT: Rape and such?
SP: an action He had done, of hanging an enemy from the ceiling and ass fucking him with a sword until he died.
CT: That is not Gorean, and if I EVER catch wind of it in either of the Sims I am in charge of, that person will be processed properly, i.e. brought before the High Council, and if found guilty, removed from the city, burned to ashes, and their bodies never to be revived by the Priest Kings — which means out of character, an Estate Ban by the sim owner.
SP: So You would take a very strong position on such acts.
CT: Aye, extremely
SP: I have, since I heard of that act, and noticing the numbers of Socio people in Gor, wondered if the increasing violence in Gor might be connected with that group. I make no allegations, I just wonder.
Mafias and extortion
SP: I have also been told by another source, that the SL Mafia is making inroads into SL Gor. Have you heard of this?
CT: I have seen those calling themselves of Gor doing things Mafia style in nature, such as letter to the Admins/Owners that border on extortion
SP: Do they ask fees, like protection money, or if not, what is the form of the demand?
CT: They actually gave a “Price” list of their fees and what they entail
SP: Have You or Your Lands been approached personally?
CT: I have, by two different Avatars, not sure if they were one and the same person with all the ALTs running around
SP: And a demand was made on You? You need not reveal the exact demand if You don’t want, but You have first hand knowledge.
CT: I will go into that magical realm called “Inventory” and give you a copy to peruse, and you can make your own assessment
SP: thank You.Does the Gorean Council, which I believe is the association of all Gorean sims, do they know of this?
CT: pulls a scroll from “Inventory” and passes it to you
CT: gave you Price Detail, Merc Battery, FH Fort Haskins, Mercenaries..
Merc Battery Prices
City Protection Service.
24/7 On Call Protection.
4 free jobs a month. Any job you need a Mercenary to do where we have to go somewhere or do something out of the ordinary. of course we will always go to the sim to Guard/Kill/Capture/Defend etc.
Priceing: 20k per 30 day period. that works out to a fraction less than 667 a day. You Will recieve a signed reciept and contract.
(IN addition we will not take on work that goes against anyone in your city.)
Unlimited Mercenary Work.
This package lets you give a unlimited amount of Mercenary work for a 30 day period, you need us to do something you let us know and we will get it done no questions ask, as much as you need done, professionally, Validly, and mostly, with no drama.
Priceing: 49.8k per 30 day period that works out to 1660 a day. You will recieve a signed reciept and contract.
ALL THESE CONTRACTS START WITH A 7 DAY PROBATIONARY PERIOD. DURING THIS 7 DAYS EITHER PARTIES MAY PULL OUT FOR ANY REASON THEY SEE FIT. If this is to happen both Parties will sit down and discuss a reasonable cut off that will be compared to the amount of work the client has already had us do.
CT: I am not a part of the Gorean Council as it stands — But they have been notified I do believe from other sources
SP: I see. This document You have given me is quite disturbing — would You give consent for its publication?
CT: I have no problems with it, none at all
SP: thank You, Admin. The document suggests that You were being asked for approximately 49,000 linden a month?
CT: I was approached by another as well, and given a “Price” list as well
SP: Were the prices similar to these?
CT: 30K for one type of care, 40K for the more detailed Care. The other was from a single person — Not RP money, but Lindens, which transfers to Real Money
CT: gave you Auron’s Prices.
- Auron’s prices –
As you know Auron Mercier is a hard core assassin that Role Plays directly from the books. When he is paid for his job, he asks that his mask is allowed to stay on, and that he will not steal slaves for no matter what price. Keep in mind Auron is a excellent fighter.
Defending a city till the fight is over 5000L
Defending a single man till danger is up. 3400L
Assassinating a person 4000L
SP: yes. 49 thousand lindens is a chunk of real US dollars — it is what, 200 dollars?
CT: Not sure the actual, but it is high
SP: I just checked — its approximately 185 US dollars.
CT: Around 4 bucks a K
SP: that’s a significant chunk of change — Do You know if anyone has complied with these demands?
CT: I had heard that Tyros for one had, and I think Thentis, but I cannot actually confirm this as I tend to my own City’s needs. But I will say this, the one group, once shown to the Owner of the sim, placed them on an estate ban as she felt it was Mafia style Extortion
SP: it sounds like that took some courage — now Tyros is led by Alexandar Vargas and Stephaniee Marquez? and who leads Thentis?
CT: Faith Stormwind last I saw, but then again, a lot of Drama there from my inside sources, and that will remain there, I do not wish to draw any more attention to any sore wounds that are there
Is Gor a Cult?
SP: Could You state Your position on an idea floating around, that Gor is a cult, like a religious cult? There is an essay floating around: The Problem of Gor, speaking to that and I would like to hear a Gorean’s opinion of the idea.
CT: Not so much as a cult as that of a philosophy
SP: would You say more?
CT: Gor, is an imaginary world written by John Norman and as such the RP factors, and some Lifestylers, have taken the books and created SL Gor that you see today
SP: but people are not brainwashed, as the essay alleges, or forced into behavior? All activities are consensual, is that true?
CT: There is a variety of placements, positions, and such for one to become involved in, From Free to Slave, from Warrior to Scribe, many castes and many duties across the spectrum
SP: and all participation is voluntary?
CT: Most are, however, there is always that element that takes thing to an extreme, as there are anywhere
SP: Is there anything You’d like to say to our readers, that You’d like them to know, that I haven’t asked?
CT: Aye, I do have a few words for those out there that show an interest in Gor, and maybe something to clear things up a tad bit — Gor is a fantasy world, taken from Sci-Fi Fantasy books written by John Norman And like anything, you do have extremists that take things above and beyond what is either implied, or stated
CT: You also have what is termed “Lifestylers” that have taken Gor to be a RL thing, and have real life slaves and such in their personal Homes. I am neither an advocate, nor an opponent of such, to each their own, as long as it is as you said earlier, consensual
SP: thank You for saying that, Admin.
CT: The line that has been crossed is when these people take things over the edge, and they get SL to become RL, and meet, such as a Master that has a SL slave actually gets to meet them And from that, the girl/boy, decides that they do not want to be around that individual, and tries to leave, and winds up being brutalized and raped — Not SL, not virtual, but Real-time
SP: yes. people take it different ways,
CT: I have no patience, nor ANY tolerance for that.
SP: so You play Your game strictly inside SL. You are not what is called a “Lifestylers”
CT: I am Gorean only online, in RL, I am a happily married man and the father of a 5 year old boy
SP: Yes. But we do know there are some Masters in SL who list RL slaves in their profiles. And i have read of some who go so far as to register their slaves with a RL online slave registry service.
CT: aye, and again, many I know that RL slave is actually their RL wife. I have seen those, they are cute
SP: But that is all personal preference. And consensual
CT: Exactly, the same goes for places such as the “Crack Den” where illicit “Virtual” drugs are sold, Sex fantasies, such as rape, are played out– Those places in my mind should be abolished, as they portray illegal behaviors, and egg on RL mentalities to those who cannot differentiate between the two
SP: You are a strong Man, Admin, and it would seem that the faith of Your people in You is well-placed.
AgePlay in Gor
CT: Another sickening thing I have seen cropping up around Gor is the Ageplay mess
SP: For those who don’t know, let’s tell them what ageplay is.
CT: That is where one party, plays the adult, and has the need to parent a minor, played by another adult, but it becomes a “Parenting” in a sexual way
SP: so it is a kind of pedophilia?
CT: I would thinks so, as it is their Game per se. An acted out variety, yes. One person plays the child, the other the adult, and in SL, and the child avatars, it becomes more sickeningly able to portray the [sexual] parts more closely. Having a RL child, I find this extremely disturbing
SP: i think it would be especially disturbing to the father of a young child, yes.
CT: And, there was just a case recently not to far from my RL home where someone practicing Ageplay was not satisfied, and took it to another level, and raped and killed a 10 year old girl
SP: that is horrifying.
CT: Now, let that happen to my child, and yes, Gor will come to life I have no tolerance for the unwarranted and unjust ANYTHING where children are concerned, especially after sitting for three weeks on a Federal Jury on a child molester that had sex with over 90 kids, each having to come before the stand and testify, some having been only 3 when it started. So, I have strong feeling about that
SP: and completely understandably so. i meant to ask — with regards to the rate cards — do the Lindens know?
CT: I would thinks so, as it is their Game per se
CT: I had said that I welcome all to Gor, those that have an honest will to learn what it is about, and as for Griefers, I will gladly escort them off, and for those that have a deep rooted desire I will do what I can to make sure their experience is one of enjoyment, either through my own experiences, or arranging some form of Mentoring. That is all I have for now, and any that wish I will gladly answer their questions, they need only contact me.
SP: Thank You, Admin, it’s a pleasure to speak with You today. Smiles.