Mr-President holds press conference: Welcomes Independent Investigator
by Alphaville Herald on 19/04/04 at 11:55 pm
In a news conference held at the Capitol on Monday night, Mr-President defended himself from charges of fixing the election with the help of Mafia boss JC Soprano, arguing that the chat logs, although accurate, were (despite appearances) elaborate ongoing jokes between Mr-President and Mr. Soprano. He also defended his relationship with Mr. Soprano, who he described as a friend. He also agreed in principle to the establishment of an independent counsel/investigator to investigate the charges more fully. Members of the audience suggested that the person should perhaps come from another city on TSO. Suggestions of particular individuals are welcome in the comments section below.
No members of the AVH staff were able to attend the full press conference due to the incredible lag that Alphaville is currently experiencing (it took one reporter a full hour to get into the game and then the press conference), but we do have a summary of the news conference from Mr-President’s Press Officer, and sometime AVH contributor Ian.
Summary of the press conference from Ian, Mr-President’s Press Officer.
The alphaville government met at 8:20PM, on a monday night for a press conference. This conference was for the allegations against the current Sim president, rightfully named, Mr-President. Name calling and Words were flared throughout the room,
before, during, and after the speeches.
Mr-President was brief and frank with his speech. He denies all ‘proof’ that this election was rigged. He said that the chat log, that was used against him, is infact true. However, only a small and insignificant part was shown to the readers of the ALphaville Herald. According to Mr-President, JC Soprano was joking around with him in a casual way as it usually is. But, this chat log was abused to look baised and that Mr-president rigged the elections. He often referred to his website, ___link___ during his speech. This proof shows the whole conversation and story to the people who questioned him. In fact, it turns out that this conversation was a spoof.
After this speech, Mr-President offered to answer all questions that were posed for him. A hot topic was his relationship with JC Soprano. JC Soprano, is TSO’s biggest Mafia boss. Infact, he was asked the same question several times, just worded differently. Mr-President says that he is NOT a puppet for JC Soprano, but they are friends. He says that he is only connected with JC, because he was friends with Chances, Sopranos wife, way before he was with Mr Soprano him self. Mr-P was asked about the “missing” votes in the election. This was caused by AOL, however he claims that both parties, lost votes. He also commented that the problem with cookies, gave voters complications too.
Coroner, asked about AVG invading non-AVG lots with harassment and not expected with retributed. He replied, that harassment is NOT Accepted in any of the AVG’s policies. John Caufield, a resident of AV wanted the press to note, that his question about “Mr-P’s relationship with JC Soprano” was not answered to his liking.
I asked Mr-President about his future plans with the Alphaville Government. His response was short but straight to the point. He said “Keep working on the building of the congree, and get the better business bureau established.”/ I asked him to further comment on the “Better business bureau” further, he commented, “BBB” will go around testing/examing services available to the public. It will be a rating for the business’ of Alphaville. The “BBB” will act as a resource for people to research public businesses/services.
Some Noted links that were mentioned throughout the speech:
Alphaville Forums: http://avgov.2.forumer.com
Mr-P’s evidence of the apparent rigging: http://avgov.com/statement-41904.html
Submitted by Ian. AVG Press Officer.
Cocoanut
Apr 20th, 2004
I offered to ask Mr. President what John Caufield was getting at, and when I did, and the president answered, I asked John if that had answered his question. He said he thought it was a weak answer, but he guessed so.
coco
Anonymous
Apr 20th, 2004
What a total crock of shit!
I mean seriously, Alphaville… if you’re that easily Snow Balled then I have a lot of fear as to the fate of mankind in the real world.
By the way, have you heard that President Bush just declared war on Japan and that scientists just figured out that the world was really flat!
If you can let someone blatently lie to you like this and get away with it, then I suggest turning off the computer and spend some quality time with your families… the world is coming to an end!
Anony!
http://www.anonymous.com
Laura McKnight
Apr 20th, 2004
Ughh… I was waiting there for more than a half hour before this started, and right as he FINALLY came down, I got error 23, and when I tried to get back in Alphaville again it would stop at 35% and not go on. Loxee had the same problem, and you I suppose did too. Wow, what a relief for him HAHA I couldn’t get in, Loxee couldn’t get in, and you couldn’t either. I don’t believe that it wasn’t true because if it was then how come about 500 people tried voting for me and couldn’t? Also, why in that chat log (if it was true as he says) did it say how he let at times suplicate votes so I can cast extra votes for him? I noticed during that election, when my percent went ahead of his, ALL of a sudden his would come right up after so long of being the same – like a large percent increase. I went CRAZY over this election with campaiging, etc. and we knew it was most likely going to be in our favor, unless of course foul play occured. Mr-President said to me the other day that if EVERYONE who tried to vote last Saturday was able to, I would have landslided him. Do you consider this a fair win?
Laura McKnight
Apr 20th, 2004
Ughh… I was waiting there for more than a half hour before this started, and right as he FINALLY came down, I got error 23, and when I tried to get back in Alphaville again it would stop at 35% and not go on. Loxee had the same problem, and you I suppose did too. Wow, what a relief for him HAHA I couldn’t get in, Loxee couldn’t get in, and you couldn’t either. I don’t believe that it wasn’t true because if it was then how come about 500 people tried voting for me and couldn’t? Also, why in that chat log (if it was true as he says) did it say how he let at times suplicate votes so I can cast extra votes for him? I noticed during that election, when my percent went ahead of his, ALL of a sudden his would come right up after so long of being the same – like a large percent increase. I went CRAZY over this election with campaiging, etc. and we knew it was most likely going to be in our favor, unless of course foul play occured. Mr-President said to me the other day that if EVERYONE who tried to vote last Saturday was able to, I would have landslided him. Do you consider this a fair win?
Ian
Apr 20th, 2004
Coco, I know it was answered but I was being asked numerous times to “note” it, Mr-President has answered that question in and out of the game probably (atleast) 5 times.
Laura – Loxee was there for the “question and answer” portion, she did not ask any questions
Cocoanut
Apr 20th, 2004
Tell ya what, guys. This argument seems to be pretty much fun for the most of ya’s, especially you, Laura; you just can’t seem to get over a thing, or figure out anything, no matter what anyone tells you.
Me, though, I’m pretty doggone sure the president is a good guy, both in game and out, and just has the unfortunate luck to be stuck with a bunch of folks here who love drama to the point of totally manufacturing it.
Time for you to move on to another topic, Uri.
coco
Sal
Apr 20th, 2004
Well I’ll agree with one thing that was said. The LAG is UGLY and after reading the crap about “MR.PRESIDENT” sleeping with the known “MOB BOSS” I’ll just say one thing I’m canceling my account with Sims. So STUPIED. In case someone forgot… its a GAME folks.
A bear in AV
Apr 20th, 2004
Ah man, me and my bear roommates just tried to log on last night and couldn’t get through for like 45 minutes and when I did I couldn’t land in a house or I’d get booted off… so whle hovering in space we exchanged email addies and planned to move to a new online game together. Wonder how many calls EA is getting today!!? They’ve screwed themselves this time.
Urizenus
Apr 20th, 2004
If they don’t fix the lag soon they will be out of business by this summer. I’ll open a separate topic on this issue.
Coco, I agree totally that Mr. Baynes is a good guy, and I also think that Mr. Chase is a good guy. I would even count Mr. Chase as a r/l friend. That having been said, one plays a mobster, and one is obviously playing a Kennedy-esque election-rigging politician. Is that bad? Is virtual corruption bad? You be the judge, because I honestly don’t know. One thing that is clear from the chat logs is that a mechanism was IN PLACE to allow Mr. Pres to log multiple votes from a single IP address if he needed too. He tells JC in the chat log that he “didn’t need to do that”. It is also clear that this remark was not in the context of joking. Was he telling JC the truth? Well, if I was forced to do that I sure wouldn’t tell JC about it given his affection for threatening blackmail. So the bottom line is the outcome of the election was predetermined and the only remaining question is whether Mr-President had to use his failsafe mechanism of logging multiple votes from his own account. Based on voting patters I suspect that he did, but the point is really academic. The chat logs (which both Mr-Pres and JC acknowledge to be reliable) show that the outcome of the election was fixed.
Cocoanut
Apr 20th, 2004
Ok, what am I missing here? As far as I can see, the chat log shows no such thing. I could be wrong, but I would bet you a fair amount of money that the elections were not rigged, Uri. Enough to state, “They were not rigged,” with A- confidence.
I don’t think Mr. President has it in him to lie like that. If he wanted to lie, he would have said, in the first place, that the chat log was doctored, i.e., not legit. Instead he has gone to lengths to explain that it was NOT doctored, and chosen the much harder and honest path of trying to explain the convoluted way it came into being.
I think one of the differences between you and me, Uri, is you are more inclined to think that “good” people will do such things, and I am less inclined to think so. In fact, I think you are a little OVERLY inclined to think people will cheat and lie in the course of role play and still somehow be “good people”. After all, you thought I would surely be tempted to rig my games at the Game Show Channel, when that would be not only contradictory to the whole point of having the games, but also contrary to my own person.
Similary, rigging the elections would not only be contradictory to the whole point of having the AVG, but also contrary to Mr. President’s own person.
I have had enough personal experience with Mr. President to be willing to state with very little doubt that he is not only a nice person in the game (and out), but also an honest one in the game (and out). I think I am right about that, and you are wrong. Some people really are pretty much without guile.
In any case, I really think, from a practical point of view, the whole thing has kind of lost its interest as newsworthy.
coco
Urizenus
Apr 20th, 2004
look at the original log I posted coco…
JC: How are the minute intervals of allowing duplicate IPs to vote?
Pres: We didn’t have to any of that [sic]
JC: I’ve been trying to get in on that,but havenet found em yet lol
Pres: You know though…
Pres: Some people say they can’t vote
That wasn’t a joke and it reflects what I understand about the failsafe mechanism — that Mr-P was allowed to log multiple votes if the election got close. So the issue wasn’t, as Ashley thinks, that votes were intentionally blocked. It was rather that there was a mechanism in place to allow Mr-P to log as many votes as necessary. Whether he took advantage of this is unclear to me.
Coco, I like Mr-P too, and even endorsed him (well, both him and Ashley), but it seems to me that you are trying to deduce what happened from independent principles (i.e. that he is your friend and therefore good) rather than the evidence in the chat logs.
Cocoanut
Apr 20th, 2004
Yes, I went back and re-read the “didn’t have to any of that” before I posted, but couldn’t find enough evidence in that, either. In other words, that phrase alone, knowing how Mr. President speaks(writes), wasn’t all that damning.
I will ask Mr. President about that though, since it does seem to be the most worrisome sticking point.
And you are right that I am deducing partly from independent principles. But not from the principle that he is my friend and therefore good – I have lots of friends who aren’t good at all, lol. But from the general principles gleaned from a lifetime of sorting out the mostly honest folks from the dishonest ones. At some point, it does get down to that.
For all I know, it could well be that he at some point actually considered the possibilities afforded by these various ways of voting too many times and so forth, then rejected them. I think it is more likely, though, that he just listened to them. (It could also be that they aren’t really possible; I’m not sure.)
He is the kind who will talk very openly with people, while passing very little judgment. Thus we have all the sort of talk that will happen when talking with JC using that style. It doesn’t mean, though, that he himself would use any nefarious means to win the election. I would really have to have a lot more evidence than that one sentence to decide that.
While all this has held my interest for quite a bit, I really think it is time to give it a rest. I would like for the AVG to get on with some of their plans for more fun stuff for AV (as the all the fun in this election and its sequelae has pretty much been squeezed out now). There will be other elections, and doubtless those will be run in such a way that allegations of unfairness will be less possible. It would be good if we could get back to some of the fun now.
coco
P.S. It would be good, too, if you could fix this web site so when we make a post, it doesn’t always say “web site not responding”!
Ashtray
Apr 20th, 2004
Does this all really matter though, seriously. If you all don’t like Mr. President, and think he won unfairly, start a new government in a neighborhood called ‘Ashleyville’ or something… you have enough supporters =P
Nobody says we can’t continue living in anarchist bliss, do they?
Get over it Ashley, you’re done. If you were really as mature as you always tell everybody you are, you’d grow up and plan for a swift victory next time. The crybaby’ing is wearing thin.
Whether it was foul play or not, is it really worth the trouble over a game? When I was voting I noticed every time he had one vote, you suddenly got another… OMG THIS MUST MEAN IT WAS RIGGED$#%@ I guess I secretly played a part in this little ’bout of cheating’. I apologize… thoroughly.
Maybe next time we’ll all learn from this ‘technical malfunction’ and have an impartial party host the site and election… seems the smart thing to me, and maybe that’s how it should have been in the first place, just to be fair. I would have called it… downright logical.
~Ashtray
Urizenus
Apr 20th, 2004
Ashtray, I have to say that I don’t get this “move along and start your own gov” meme at all. Compare it to the following:
You don’t like that I cheated at cards? It’s just a game. Go start your own game or go play solitare.
You don’t like that we changed the rule in the middle of the sandlot game? well go find another sandlot and buy your own ball and play with someone else.
If you invite someone into a game under one set of rules and you change the rules on them, or you mislead them about the rules you are playing by, then you should expect them to be upset and they in turn have every right to be upset. Yeah, it’s a game, but game rules are norms that we expect people to follow. Indignation at rule breaking – even in a game context – is not just understandable, but quite justified.
Ashtray
Apr 20th, 2004
I completely understand all of that… but if you’re going to be upset, don’t be a drama queen about it. I find it funny that when she found out she lost she was, just like, you know ‘hanging out’ and didn’t really care, as she’s said before. But suddenly now that it’s turned out that our governments been corrupt, she’s crying over the betrayal of a guy she doesn’t even know. I just don’t buy it.
And like it has also been brought up I think on the stratics message board… its not really you’re government if you don’t live in the neighborhood, and *TECHNICALLY* they have no real control over you. They can’t make you do anything. I lost a lot of respect for Ashley when she lost… not because she lost, that would be stupid, but because of the way she acted, contradicting the fact that she doesn’t really care that she was defeated. I do, however, think she had a lot of great ideas, and if she got her supporters to support her once again and make her own government, I’d be all for it and I’d wish it the best of luck. And if she’s not up to that sort of work… then would she really have been the right woman for the job if elected?
I guess what it comes down to is, don’t cry over spilled milk, wipe it the fuck up and pour yourself another glass.
~Ashtray
Urizenus
Apr 20th, 2004
Ashtray, she’s 14.
While one can raise questions about her maturity level in real terms, she hasn’t done anything remotely as lame as your We Hate Ashley blog. And whatever her level of maturity, that is no reason to job her in the election.
Ashtray
Apr 20th, 2004
Lets not get started on lame, babe. ^_-
It amuses me, even if it is lame. I haven’t slanderized anybody, or said anything untrue. Can you say the same of every story you’ve ever written? Now that’s lame.
And don’t assume I’m older than she is, please.
~Ashtray
Laura McKnight
Apr 20th, 2004
Ashtray – Just to let you know because obviously you don’t… I do not whine and cry over things. I figured the whole day something was wrong- I had been complaining about his controlling the website long before the day of the election, and when everyone was contacting me saying they couldn’t vote.. I had every right to get angry. Of course objecting to foul play is called “whining” by illegitimate winners. Al Gore shouldn’t have just walked away the way he did. Now look at the mess we are in! People love to cheat and lie, and hate it when anybody calls them on it.
Ashtray
Apr 20th, 2004
Oh girlie, can you even talk about this without mentioning Al Gore or George Bush?? You just posted that you were crying. Or was that a lie?