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33 Responses to “Post Six Grrrl: Cindy Claveau”

1. 

   Prokofy Neva
   

   Aug 5th, 2005
   

   Cindy’s great. She’s really smart. If it hadn’t been for Cindy and her brilliant forum posts, I wouldn’t have read Shirky’s “A Group Is Its Own Worst Enemy” which in fact is one of those Internet dude’s essays that really has to be fought hammer and tong, and I’ll be doing that soon, I hope. But Cindy rocks. I do wonder if Aimee is going to cut off her right ear, however. I’m also indignantly thinking that there is *not a thing wrong with* karoake especially “Old Folks’ Karoake Night” which they have in my neighbourhood bar. So there. So it’s in this context that you should understand my query about what seems to me to be the unfortunate skin choice of the very beautiful Cindy…is that *cellulite*??? I mean those odd folds. Look, I speak as one whose own appearance-modes and skin options often look like road-kill but I just thought I’d ask out of curiosity.
2. 

   Cindy Claveau
   

   Aug 5th, 2005
   

   Prokkie, this is a fantasy world, remember? While I know we have a few folks using the new “pregnant” avies (next up: root canal scripts) what you’re really seeing here is not cellulite. It’s the odd combination of the pose and the obsolescent Poser 2 model which is the basis for the SL avatar. Some of the available poses are completely broken — I passed up some potentially good ones because they made my shoulders look like they were in the middle of my neck.

   I have about 12 skins available. The one in the pic is a Munchflower, and frankly one of the best I have for makeup, skin tone, and seamless look. But guys just wouldn’t understand — with us, it’s all about the makeup more so than whether our nips are on straight.

   Not to derail my 15 minutes of glory into a Shirky thing, but I thought he was just making observations on human nature. I found most of what he said to be pretty general and on target – at least in the ‘Groups’ paper. If you’re going to fight it, I hope you have some data behind you.

   Karaoke: Inspired by a birthday party I went to last Saturday night, where an older couple got up and sang horrible country music in such a way that birds were dying as far as 3 blocks away. Maybe it would have helped if I’d been drunk.

   Thanks for your comments, Prok. You’ve always been thought provoking, even when you’re maddeningly wrong

   Cindy
3. 

   Aimee Weber
   

   Aug 5th, 2005
   

   Cindy, you are as beautiful as you are charming. Congrats on a great layout.
4. 

   Prokofy Neva
   

   Aug 5th, 2005
   

   OH, ok I get it, and not to knock Munchflower, I just wanted to understand whether little fat rolls were considered hot now, and I guess they are, especially on you : )

   Oh, Shirky’s wrong, not in analysis of the group thing, but in celebrating the inner core…but now why are we not surprised? Data? Oh, well, would 2000 years of human history do for you?

   Ouch. Well my old folks’ karaoke in my bar runs to Sinatra and Bing Crosby and it’s relatively painless.

   Why didn’t Aimee answer me about whether she will be cutting off her ear?
5. 

   Aimee Weber
   

   Aug 5th, 2005
   

   I didn’t answer because this is Cindy’s moment and she deserves it.

   It’s not the place for me to spar with my long vanquished enemy.
6. 

   Prokofy Neva
   

   Aug 6th, 2005
   

   Aimee, you are so right, this is Cindy’s moment, and Cindy is uber cool in every way. But it’s an open blog and people can comment and one of the things that makes Cindy kewl is her devotion to critical dialogue — or so it seems thus far. And one of the ways she’s kewl, IMHO is that she keeps my friendship card and doesn’t delete it even if she no doubt vehemently disagrees with me on any number of subjects, whereas you sport I think 2 trifecta negs from 2 accounts of mine : ) (or will when I get the energy to go to your little store.)

   I guess what I thought about the Thinking Girl’s bio up there was that she first of all riddled it with references of stuff that I never heard of haven’t really read because it’s probably some facet of popular youth culture in America I just didn’t have time to tune into yet or some hip tekkie thingie that people get crazed about on the Internet, but then she’s got stuff like David Hume and Arthur C. Clarke and Frieda Kahlo’s works and so on that others might recognize and identify with too.

   But the jar for me was the Starry Night, not only because it’s *yours* but because Vincent van Gogh has been so Walmartized in American culture and so commodified in every single poster and frame store from here to Dubuque that it’s hard to understand what it means to “like” Starry Night. Do you like its mere starriness on your shoes without knowing the provenance of those stars? Have you ingestified this utterly commodified Dutch artist that most Americans with his reproductions in their den have no clue about? That’s the question. Your decision to put it on the shoes I’m going to chalk up to your absorption of the American commodification of van Gogh. That’s why I asked about the cut-off ear, to see if you were willing to take the bi-polar with the cool starry field and ask a little bit more about art on shoes. What next…shall we look forward to a skimpy bra with “The Scream” etched on it, Aimee? I’m sure that will look good “on”! I’m confident that Cindy thinks about these things, I’m not sure you do. Far from being vanquished, doll, the gloves haven’t even come off yet : )
7. 

   Cocoanut
   

   Aug 6th, 2005
   

   Prok, I don’t see anything wrong with people who like Starry Night or any other Van Gogh (or Renoir or anybody) on any level whatsoever. I even have a freebie Van Gogh entire outfit in my inventory. I figure to have looked at Van Gogh is useful for anyone, whether or not one has studied him.

   coco
8. 

   Cindy Claveau
   

   Aug 6th, 2005
   

   Aimee, thank you for your comments

   Prok, the difference between you and I is our appreciation of the nature of culture. You can either observe culture or you can influence it, you cannot force it to change. The irony is that the winner of American Idol has more influence over culture than those who simply bemoan its course. That is less about the simple-mindedness of culture than about immutable human nature. We value creativity – even bad creativity – but tend to ignore the ranters and ravers.

   In that vein Shirky, like myself, is an observer and as such is not responsible for the tides of culture. We *must* mark the passage of events and appreciate them as they happen in order to understand ourselves. Those who move and shake are those who inspire and lead, and for the rest of us there is only the choice of whether to follow or not.
9. 

   Prokofy Neva
   

   Aug 6th, 2005
   

   Actually, Cindy, you’re wrong. You sure as hell *can* force culture to change. Tiny example: I thought up the concept called the “FIC”. It is now the word on everyone’s lips. It’s a household adage, ridiculed or not, it’s part of the lexicon. Hell, even LL uses it in their recruiting ads and even did an April fool’s joke with it. This idea that the collective can have the power you assume and foist over on that “enlightened core” you thought you were celebrating with Shirky is just way off base. It can’t. You sure as hell can influence even the most mammoth, monolithic cultural ventures. Such is the power of the individual in human history. You don’t have to decide to follow, you can lead, even just a little, even in just a game.

   Coco, you just helped make my point, thanks.

   Anyway, back to looking at Cindy’s tits as well as admiring her brain…and giggling a little at that cute little love handle…oh well we’re only here for the articles anyway, right Uri?
10. 

    Cocoanut
    

    Aug 6th, 2005
    

    Vincent (Starry, Starry Night)
    Don McLean

    Starry, starry night.
    Paint your palette blue and grey,
    Look out on a summer’s day,
    With eyes that know the darkness in my soul.
    Shadows on the hills,
    Sketch the trees and the daffodils,
    Catch the breeze and the winter chills,
    In colors on the snowy linen land . . .

    . . . Starry, starry night.
    Flaming flowers that brightly blaze,
    Swirling clouds in violet haze,
    Reflect in Vincent’s eyes of china blue.
    Colors changing hue, morning field of amber grain,
    Weathered faces lined in pain,
    Are soothed beneath the artist’s loving hand.

    Now I understand what you tried to say to me,
    How you suffered for your sanity,
    How you tried to set them free.
    They would not listen, they did not know how . . .

    . . . And when no hope was left in sight
    On that starry, starry night,
    You took your life, as lovers often do.
    But I could have told you, Vincent,
    This world was never meant for one
    As beautiful as you.
11. 

    Cindy Claveau
    

    Aug 6th, 2005
    

    Prok, please explain to me how inventing a term for a conspiracy “changes” a culture?

    Has the core group gone away? Have they stopped doing what they always do — produce more content and better content than the other 90% of SL?

    The individuals who have changed history have done so as I claimed – by leading and inspiring, not by ranting and venom-spewing. I’m thinking of Jefferson, Ghandi, Christ, Aristotle and Caesar among others. Why? Because they were persuasive enough to convince their cultures that change was in order. It does no good to stand on a box in Hyde Park and froth at the mouth.

    I really like the idea of Prok being a Post Sixx feature one day. I’ll even fashion a prim tin foil hat for him — I have the texture
12. 

    Cocoanut
    

    Aug 6th, 2005
    

    Oh dear, Cindy. You are using the same words now as Prok’s detractors. “Venom-spewing?” Come on, I gave you more credit than that. That one’s been used to death.

    It was never a “conspiracy”. You misunderstand the concept altogether.

    And it never referred to the “10 percent” who supposedly “produce more content and better content than the other 90% of SL?”

    What elitist nonsense. Incorrect, as well. It’s merely how some people would LIKE to define it. Which, handily, helps in excluding newcomers from the fold.

    There are plenty – Prok included – who produce prodigious amounts of good content who are and will ever be ostrasized from those in the nebulous and ever-changing FIC, some of them simply by virtue of noticing out loud when and where the Emperor wears no clothes.

    Moreover, Prok did change the culture with the coining of that term, in definable and visible ways, and to try to pretend he didn’t is failing to give credit where credit is due. He changed not only the lexicon of the game, but the way people in it actually think and frame their thoughts and actions.

    He didn’t cause these changes by creating something that wasn’t there; the cultural shift came because he observed and criticized what was there. That’s why it doesn’t matter if he is here or not; his ideas, being potent, must, and do, live on. And will live on until the core problems are solved (if ever).

    Tin foil hat? Somehow I thought you were intellectually above dismissing entire people along with all their observations and philosophies in such a rote and puerile fashion, Cindy. But at least you make it clear where you stand.

    coco
13. 

    Cindy Claveau
    

    Aug 7th, 2005
    

    Coco,

    “Venom spewing” was my own term and I don’t really care who said it before. i was never involved in the forum wars which occurred before I arrived. But I constantly see cases, and this column is an excellent example every week, where Prok takes every opportunity – no matter how inappropriate – to twist things around to his own unending agenda. This was supposed to be a lighthearted piece and a short bit about me. Not about the FIC or conspiracies or even about you, for that matter. Look at what happened. Same thing as always.

    As for cultural change, I don’t see how fabricating a term makes for ‘definable and visible’ change. Tell me one thing that has changed in SL because of that acronym? Just one. It has had less impact than Pet Rocks on the scale of things. Clever, perhaps, but hardly meaningful. The creators still create. SL still functions much as it did a year or two ago, albeit with more members. Get rid of the current inner core and there will always be another. What you and Prok apparently don’t grasp is that the inner core will always be there. Nothing you can do will remove that facet of human communal behavior.

    Next time you come to the party, Coco, bring your sense of humor. If Prok can make remarks about imaginary rolls of fat (to which I took no offense), maybe you should ask yourself why you feel compelled to jump to his defense over an equally harmless tin foil hat remark. I have never known Prok to need defending from anyone else. He’s a big boy — if he isn’t, he shouldn’t be looking at pics of pixellated boobies.

    Cin
14. 

    Cocoanut
    

    Aug 7th, 2005
    

    The fact that the inner core is always there isn’t the problem. It’s the procedure by which things are done in SL, which relies on the same old people all the time, that is the problem. Now we are seeing more things opened up to everyone, which is a good thing.

    As for my sense of humor, I admit I don’t have much of one when it comes to things like this.

    As for being compelled to jump to his defense, I am mainly defending the ideas, since I independently share many of his ideas, and have observed the same things he has.

    One thing that has changed is people (including the Lindens, I think) think twice before just relying on the same old circle, I think, or expecting everything to go to the same people, before setting up or doing anything in which there isn’t equal opportunity for all.

    coco
15. 

    Prokofy Neva
    

    Aug 7th, 2005
    

    See, I knew if I worked at it long enough I could out Cindy as FIC. Welcome to the FIC, Cindy lol! I don’t mind the tinfoil stuff. And sorry, but that *is* fat and we suggest: stop drinking those fattening margies at all those clubs! lol.

    Now, seriously, the idea that 10 percent of the people create for the 90 percent is something Will Wright and lots of others said but what you’re forgetting is *who gets to decide whether the 10 percent are any good?* Hah! You thought YOU decide? DEAD wrong lol. The 10 percent forget that it’s often NOT THEM lol. They may they they’re at the top of their game…but they can be gravely mistaken, the market can decide, they can be out on their ass, and replaced by others. That’s what has the FIC living in fear and using every means, legal and illegal, to force others out of the economy and off the forums.

    Venom? Hardly. True hard-hitting analysis and accurate facts mixed with occasional sarcasm. Venom is stuff like what you see from nerferder on here.

    As for changing the culture, of course when an analyzed group becomes more analyzed it can retaliate by becoming more self-aware and circle its wagons, which it did — and that is an effect on “culture” however modest. It can also try to satirize the parody and parody the parody and end up looking more unconsciously self-expressed and look more analyzed than it was when it first began as merely inchoate tropisms.

    And the FIC salivated on cue by creating all kinds of “FIC Swag” and “FIC Art”. It was the greatest explosion of content they’d seen in a long time. A scientific analysis of all their so-called content creation over 60 days or 365 days would show that some of their best work was being done in the creation of FIC art and swag, as well as group creations, happenings, events, conceptual installations written about by Hammie, etc. So I rest my cast on that one.

    The core waxes and wanes at different places at different times. Often the core justifiably gets a whack when there is a mass democratic revolution just around the corner. The core gets its identity by identifying with those in power but then whoops sometimes the power is overthrown and they find themselves yesterday’s newspaper. You haven’t studied enough about how cores form and get refreshed and renew or die. You think just because you’re in it, it will last forever! Not! LOL

    Well, Cindy, either you want the boys to jerk off to your pixel boobs or you want to have an intellectual debate, which is it? Of course, we can move off Uri’s blog, which I feel I’ve taken over too much lately, I need to get back to my own blog lol.
16. 

    marilyn murphy
    

    Aug 7th, 2005
    

    prok, why does she have just your two choices to choose from? if she bothered to answer why cant the answer be neither or both or more? choosing other peoples choices seems anathema to your usual theme. but then maybe i dont understand your theme, which is very possible.

    cindy your appearance here graces the herald, and i am so proud to have you as a post sixx girl. ty for posing.

    marilyn
17. 

    nerferder
    

    Aug 7th, 2005
    

    Coco – if you replace Cindy’s name with Prok’s in your last two posts, it would be MUCH more fitting.

    Try as you may, it’s painfully obvious you are a follower. “independently” my arse…

    Prok – venom from Nerferder? Yeah, I call people “arrogant assholes”, and the like – not.

    You are insecure, and you’re taking that out on other people by disparaging them by making fun of their names, supposed “fat” (I would never have never dreamed it, but it seems Prok’s ideal for women is based on moronic American fashion rags), and the like. Going after things like these are signs of a truly weak argument. Keep up the good work! Someday you’ll graduate junior high!

    Back to Coco – the only thing that has changed since Prok came on the scene (and is still changing) is that Prok has become virtually a universal joke now. His name is even used as an adjective or verb to indicate when someone is being incredibly self-serving, supercillious, extremely obtuse, or downright illogical. It’s a shame to be sure, that such an intelligent person gets so mired in hatred. Smart? Yes. Logical? Hell no.

    You’re riding the anchor down into the depths with him, by the way. That’s a shame, because I get the feeling you aren’t truly malicious as is Prok, more likely a nice person who is easily manipulated by users like Prok.

    He routinely insults the people who run this site, and they STILL stroke his ego. Absurdity and blindness at it’s finest!

    Carry on soldier! Fight the good fight!
18. 

    Cocoanut
    

    Aug 7th, 2005
    

    You wish, Nerf.

    coco
19. 

    Prokofy Neva
    

    Aug 7th, 2005
    

    Sure, Marilyn, she can chose either, both, or none lol — but it’s also my right to ask her to chose. BTW, I have no hang-ups about insisting on seeing women as rail-thin waifs or something, I like love handles, it’s fine, I’m just startled to see them in SL because it is *SL* where that American male ideal of the model-thin women holds supreme. So don’t off that stereotype on me, I’m not the maker, purveyor, or wearer of these skins lol.
20. 

    Ardith Mifflin
    

    Aug 7th, 2005
    

    I made a brief trip out to this festering cesspool, and I’m afraid it’s even worse than ever before. Why you tolerate his/her vitriolic slander is beyond explanation.
21. 

    Cocoanut
    

    Aug 7th, 2005
    

    Because, Ardith, the professor believes in as much free speech as is practicable. People don’t get thrown off from here just because others don’t like what they are saying.

    I’ve shared SLH and on TSO boards for two years with Prok, and somehow the world hasn’t come to an end in either place.

    And Nerf, how would you know what has or hasn’t changed since Prok came on the scene? You’re younger than I am on the game.

    coco
22. 

    Prokofy Neva
    

    Aug 7th, 2005
    

    Ardith, see, this is how it works, and how the Big Lie and the great Cloud of Ignorance gets kicked up around forums by people like you. Do you see any “festering cesspool” here anybody? I don’t. Do you see any vitriol, except from neuferder and Ardith? I don’t. I see debate, I see sharp comments sometimes but I do not see any “festering cesspools” or “vitriot”. There’s no malice on my part, nor on Cocoanut’s, and I dare say none on Cindy’s. But there is on yours. That’s the difference. I think this kind of blog is a good exercise because it illustrates it so clearly. I’m not the one who describes people as having mouths like “bung holes” that need “cyberlocution,” hmm? I just very playfully talked about love handles — no viciousness there, just humour.

    Cindy began to chime in too with this “venom-spewing” stuff — but where is the venom-spewing? I ask this in all sincerity> Is it that *any* criticism and *any* rebuttal of your arguments is “venom” if you don’t win? Is THAT what it means to be in that illustrious 10 percent core? I suspect it does. I suspect that’s the root of the problem.

    Please, pick out even one thing in this thread that has any venom in it. It has appreciation, and sharp debate. Not venom. The venom spews from those who have an utter incapability of assessing themselves critically and seeing themselves other see them.
23. 

    nerferder
    

    Aug 8th, 2005
    

    Coco, are you smoking something? “Younger than you on the game”? Think again. I had been here quite a while when your whining voice dove into the fray without doing any research. I have no clue what you are basing this fantasy on. I will say that it’s par for the course coming from you, however. Keep deluding yourself. Maybe someday Pinnochio will realize he is just wood and strings.

    Prok, you live in a fantasy world. I’ve seen you tell people to “suck your dick”, so spare me.

    That was “bung plug”, you dolt, and it’s an old-fashioned stopper for a cask. Of course, you know this, and are just trying to twist shit around again to make some lame-ass point about someone who sees through your charade. You can fool some of the people, some of the time, but you can’t fool all of the people, all of the time.

    That cask that is filled with your self-loathing, which you systematically take out on others. You can’t care for others when you hate yourself.

    Don’t you have something better to do than ridicule Cindy’s “fat”, and call her FIC? Like harrassing SL person(s) that you are trying to gumshoe? You know, like Ulrika? Trying to dig up RL dirt on her IN PUBLIC, while crying out the other side of your mouth that Nolan revealed yours? Anyone who cares to see what I am talking about just head on over to sluniverse.com. The hypocrisy is there for all to see, and the coward hasn’t even replied after he was called out for it. http://www.sluniverse.com/forums/FindPost5788.aspx

    Rudimentary social skills possesses he not.
24. 

    Prokofy Neva
    

    Aug 8th, 2005
    

    I can’t seem to get logged into Cristiano’s site, which is why I didn’t answer. It seems he does grab IPs — a routine thing all sites do — and may use them to ban people — hey, it happens!

    That was a *very* useful little exercise, that query on SLun. Of course when I wrote my query about Ulrika, I wasn’t “hypocritical” but well aware of the slew of criticism that would follow. But sometimes it takes contemplating how something will affect *one of their own* to get the FIC to articulate a policy. I’m glad Cristiano is now on the record as saying that if something isn’t on the first-life profile of an SL resident, then it isn’t fair game for discussion on the SL forums. Amen! I’m happy to fall on my sword just to get him on the record with that, well worth the trip! I’m also glad to have Cristiano establish that in his “rants and rumours” column, he’ll let people publish questions that some might think help spread rumours or slander people, and won’t remove them, even if they violate his own TOS, which bars libel and slander (even like the SL TOS which is more vague on this issue). SO one cancels out the other.

    I feel in the matter of Ulrika, however, urgent national concerns override some considerations. If one very privileged resident, very visible on the forums and in the world, turns out to have a very obvious reason for those privileges and for that getting-away-with-murder on the forums, the public should know. I actually don’t care one whit about Ulrika and her private life, but if that can account for the outrageous favouritism and excesses she gets away with in SL, it might be worth examination. Since I”ve been called worse than hypocrite by Sluniverse.com I fear not.

    I think asking a question on their rants page about a high-profile privileged persona is a far cry from their jackal-pack outing of my RL and other offenses as a malicious retaliation for my very valid critic of the FIC — which gets more valid by the day.

    Is is a shame that Cindy’s moment in the sun is ruined by this same old boring debate? Well Uri, you can remove all the posts here if you want to just keep it a girlie page, but you know, I took Cindy seriously when she said she wanted some more than just the usual T&A.

    BTW, another useful exercise that’s been performed here is that we now have full, final, and indisputable evidence that Nerferder is Cienna Samiam. Hehehe.

    Oh, and so sorry to mix up bung holes butt plugs, whatever, guess I need to work more on my gay nomenclature, hmmm?

    Oh, and I didn’t say Cindy is fat — she’s great. I just poked fun at her skin a bit. It’s still a really pretty skin. I do think she’s FIC though or she wouldn’t have started up this chime about “venom”. But it’s ok, the FIC is dead, long live the FIC, heheheh, its ranks are getting refreshed as Cristiano leaves to go play WOW etc.

    Anyway, are we done now? I hope so!
25. 

    nerferder
    

    Aug 8th, 2005
    

    Wow!

    Spinnin’ wheel, spinnin’ ’round!

    Prok, it’s amazing the lengths you will go to when attempting to cover your tracks.

    Experiment my ass.

    Ulrika has been warned, more than once as far as I know, so your theory is bunk.

    Where exactly in the TOS does it say it’s ok to discuss someone’s RL, if they (supposedly) have some connection to a Linden? It doesn’t, and you know that. Nice try.

    Say it with me – H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-T-E. And in SO many ways. Freebies are socialist, unless “I” use them. RL info is off limits, unless “I” explore it. Calling people cursewords is not ok, unless “I” do it, and no, that’s not venom, it’s just “reporting”!!! What a class act. You poor, transparent fool.

    Priceless!

    Sincerely, your “not valid”, not Cienna “interlocutor”, whom you keep treating as a “valid interlocutor”, and labeling as Cienna.

    *Laughs until sides hurt*

    This is more fun than a trip to DisneyWorld! No lines to wait in, and the characters are equally as funny!
26. 

    Ardith Mifflin
    

    Aug 8th, 2005
    

    Prokofy Neva: you are a motherfucking piece of shit.
27. 

    Cristiano Midnight
    

    Aug 8th, 2005
    

    FYI, don’t blame your technical issues on me – you are not blocked from posting on my site.

    As for leaving your accusation, I asked Ulrika – she found it hilarious, so it was left there. I figured you would spin it ridiculously somehow – and voila, you did. One thing you never do is disappoint – you are so predicatable one could set one of Francis Chung’s watches by you. Have a lovely rest of your summer.
28. 

    nerferder
    

    Aug 8th, 2005
    

    Prok>>> “I just wanted to understand whether little fat rolls were considered hot now, and I guess they are, especially on you : )”

    I did not say that you said she was quote unquote “fat”.

    I said you were making fun of her “fat”. One’s a noun, and one’s an adjective. But you know this, and are playing dumb as usual. Tell me something new! Ummm… LOL! Duh! LOL! Duh! LOL!

    What does “fat rolls” mean prok? I was unaware that it was a compliment.

    I am eagerly awaiting your next set of excuses for behaving like a 13 year old boy. Wait, I take that back, that is grossly unfair to 13 year old boys…

    prok>>> “Is is a shame that Cindy’s moment in the sun is ruined by this same old boring debate?”Sure is, too bad you had to turn it into the same, sophomoric, boring debate. Oh well, I suppose you just can’t help yourself, what with your non-existent self-control mechanism.
29. 

    Urizenus
    

    Aug 8th, 2005
    

    are we really arguing about the political correctness of discussing virtual cellulite and the offense that it might bring? Just wondering.
30. 

    Prokofy Neva
    

    Aug 8th, 2005
    

    We are definitely talking about pixelated cellulite, Uri, and we are deadly serious. And I want to repeat, for the record, that I love Cindy’s love handles. They’re scrumptious. I imagine she’s not talking to me anymore tho. Oh well.

    Ulrika has been warned, but never suspended, and clearly deserves to be, if the TOS were equally applied. Glad she got a laugh, but I dunno, is it true or not? Youth wants to know. As for “technical issues” on Cristiano’s site, I guess that’s what they call it now ROFL.
    Um, I didn’t spin it ridiculously, I just set it up and told the truth about it, you all bit. So *you* spin all you want ROFL.

    If someone has a connection and *they get excessive privileges and never get punishments when they deserve them* yeah, I believe in the national interest, for the public weal, it is good to discuss it. Indeed it is. Or are we living in a monarchy or an autoarky or what are we living under? Not any system I want to live under. So it’s important to behave *as if* we lived under something else, whatever the sordid little realities.
31. 

    nerferder
    

    Aug 8th, 2005
    

    Uri>>> “are we really arguing about the political correctness of discussing virtual cellulite and the offense that it might bring? Just wondering.”

    I could really care less about the juvenile antics of this supposed intellectual. I am simply illustarting his hypocrisy and giving free advertising for the newest product from Proktor & Shamble, New & Improved Ultra-Spin Laundry Detergent! It gets out all those messy stains you leave behind on the internet! Now available in Stockyard Breeze scent!
32. 

    nerferder
    

    Aug 8th, 2005
    

    I love the smell of envy in the morning!

    Now get in that river and surf boy!

    And take off that headband! You look like Olivia Newton John or something!
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    Colette
    

    Aug 10th, 2005
    

    Cindy -

    Congrats and stuff – you look great ^^

    Kinda jealous my photo shoot didnt get to turn into a massive debate =pPp

    Oh well.

    Take care ^^ – um yeah hun, I didnt want to mention it before with everyone watching and all … but you are naked in these pics! … Just thought youd want to know. *hugs*

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