Extra!!: Philip Calls the FBI. W-Hats Shit Themselves
by Alphaville Herald on 14/12/05 at 9:47 pm
by Dow Jonas
Philip Rosedale, CEO of Linden Lab, announced at a resident virtual winter holiday party in Second Life’s Wengen today that he is turning to real-world authorities to investigate Monday’s deliberate crashing of his virtual world’s grid.
When the party was bombed today by a griefer with pixelated C-4, Rosedale, whose avatar is Philip Linden, was bumped around the sim. The overcrowded Linden-run sims appeared to be a prime target for an attack during the season’s top event.
Bedecked in a red Santa’s cap and blue shirt, the Monetarized Socializing Platform Mogul danced around a roaring bonfire set for the occasion and said, “This seems about a good a time as any to tell you that I am turning over names to the FBI.”
Linden said that he viewed Monday’s grid crash like any denial-of-service attack on an Internet web page.
The CEO’s announcement was greeted with cheers by residents toasting marshmallows around the virtual fire.
Asked by a reporter to clarify what kind of prosecution he might seek, Linden said, “Yes, we will turn over data to the FBI. That is what we are doing. Already in progress.”
Hastening away to a real-life party with investors, Philip Linden declined to comment on queries about whether the 14-day suspension handed out to an unnamed resident for a “global attack” reported on the Police Blotter this week was related to the grid crash, or whether it was the limit of Linden Lab’s actions.
He did not name the attackers nor specify whether they were related to members of W-Hat responsible for 2 other global attacks this year.
Kiss
Dec 15th, 2005
Damn, another one. Where do you get all these dumbasses Uri?
To answer your question directly Tranny the civil damages case will almost certainly not be filed until after the criminal investigation is concluded.
As for your considering it a laughing matter I can assure you that these cases do exist in general although it’s the first one of I’ve heard of involving an internet game. Our firm has prevailed in two civil cases against individuals who launched DoS attacks.
I wish the Lindens well and hope they stick with this and aren’t just trying to blow smoke.
Fallen Hasp
Dec 15th, 2005
Your education wont make what youre suggesting right, just or fair .. It just makes you another educated asshole.
TrannyPet Barmy
Dec 15th, 2005
Kiss, it’s *YOU* who evidently have has no idea of what they’re talking about.
Yeah *IF* the FBI knew they had a case then i agree, they would be ‘all over this’ and the publicity for them would be wonderful. However, contrary to you claiming that this would be an “easy case” for them, it wouldn’t be, because of the things already mentioned in this thread. Taking something on and then failing in getting a conviction, even over one of the above technicalities, and showing themselves to be wasting taxpayers money, all in the public eye, is not going to do their image any good now is it Kiss ?
About the only thing you’ve gotten right so far is “third rate wanna be DoS attackers”, but then again, in my opininon all DoS attackers are wannabe hackers any way.
Advice, stick to your virtual world, let it flow into the real if you have to, but dont go publicly posting your opinion based around this overflow – it’s not Hasp embarrassing themselve’s it’s *YOU*, ‘save yourself some dignity’
TrannyPet Barmy
The REAL ONE
ps. btw, are you going to share a link with us that shows where this is getting picked up by the news ? I hardly call some one’s blog news btw
urizenus sklar
Dec 15th, 2005
So you think C|Net is someone’s blog?
TrannyPet Barmy
Dec 15th, 2005
Kiss, yes i dont dispute there are cases where a DoS attack can be successfully proven to be illegal, however, there is a LOT more to this case than you obviously understand.
I’m not going to reiterate all the points yet again, read the above posts properly, then reply.
I definately would like to know when the damages hearings would be though. If i laugh even 1/2 as much as i am right now over some of the comments being made in here, it’ll be worth the air fare !!! I really should put this down very soon, or i’m not going to be able to sleep for laughter.
TrannyPet Barmy
The REAL ONE
TrannyPet Barmy
Dec 15th, 2005
No Uri, i dont, i was asking for a link so i could see the ‘news’ on some site other than the blog that you had already given a link to.
Do you have the link ? I still dont see one ?
TrannyPet Barmy
The REAL ONE
urizenus sklar
Dec 15th, 2005
You can scroll up to comment #42 and read it *carefully* this time, or you can just click THIS.
TrannyPet Barmy
Dec 15th, 2005
ty, a post i obviously missed.
cheers
TrannyPet Barmy
The REAL ONE
ps. I hope the “*carefully*” bit isn’t trying to imply anything Uri ? My point on reading posts “*carefully*”, related to “reading *carefully* before replying[to a post]“
Fallen Hasp
Dec 15th, 2005
Youre doing a fantastic job, Uri. Thanks for the support Tranny. I respect everyone’s opinion and would just like to have a voice also. W-hat and others harrassed me constantly when i was a Second Life resident and i just find it ironic that the same people who LL is going after now, they didnt have the time to deal with the entire 8 months before I cancelled my account, when id brought the problem to their attention. I didnt mean any personal disrespect to Kiss. I dont think much of people who lord over others and try to degrade their intelligence etc. You dont have to do that to make a point.
Plastic Duck
Dec 15th, 2005
Dear TrannyPet Barmy.
Shut the fuck up.
Plastic Duck
THE REAL ONE
TrannyPet Barmy
Dec 15th, 2005
Now i can’t wait for the CNet news, of :-
“Today, LindenLabs got laughed out of court, and told to fix their system, as so many people have suggested they do previously. The court held that, due to LindenLab making no effort to remove commands that are currently available within their scripting language that serve no useful purpose, other than to create the attacks that their complaint concerns, along with publicising their availability and demonstrations of their use on one of their sites, no criminal act had occurred due to unacceptable use. On the contrary to the initial complaint brought by LindenLab, the court finds LindenLab to be negligent in system support and implementation.”
thats going to be a funny old day, and i’m going to be here saying “told ya so”
Cheers
TrannyPet Barmy
The REAL ONE
urizenus sklar
Dec 15th, 2005
Tranny, I understand what you are saying, but I think it is a very problematic position to hold. If our online behavior can only be checked by code, then we are doomed. It means that the code for all of us must be nerfed to the point that the game or world is safe from any possible abuse of the code.
I really have issues with the idea that code is the only law that is legit. In the real world someone might go into a china shop and smash it up, and we don’t say “oh they should have bubblewrapped everything and glued it down or put it behind bullet proof glass — the china shop made it sooooo easy to vandalize!”. In RL we understand that all of us have the ability to be destructive, but we moderat our behavior. If people don’t moderate their behavior and are destructive, they go to jail or must go to civil court. I don’t see why our online lives should be any different.
Now, there are two issues in this case that are being run together. One is the behavior of the W-hats in world, and the other is the alleged global attack(s) which brought down the entire grid. It is clear why the Lindens would want to go to the authorities in the latter case. If it leads to downtime it becomes easier to quantify the economic damage and easier to make people understand what the crime was: a business was taken offline!
If this goes to court I don’t think it will be laughed out of court. To the contrary I think a lot of prosecutors would love to get their hands on this one, and in a way this is troubling. The prosecutor can play the old scary hacker meme. Remember when a jury was convinced that Captain Crunch could start world war three by whistling into a telephone or something? Remember what happened to Phiber Optik? Lots of basically good people have been demonized and done serious time for what is basically exploratory and not destructive hacking. Here we have what is could much more easily be spun by a prosecutor as intentionally destructive behavior.
Any prosecutor could have a field day with those Something Aweful forum discussions of how they are going to grief SL. I’m sure the Linden’s saved them (I know I did) and I’ll bet they are already in the hands of the FBI.
All I can say to the W-Hats is this, for all I know you are innocent, and even if you aren’t I hope you don’t go to jail, but if you do, Don’t drop the soap in the shower.
TrannyPet Barmy
Dec 15th, 2005
Dear Plastic FUCK
i guess you’re unable to accept a hint to do something positive then, and would prefer to piss people off with your pathetic almost laughable scripting abilities ?
Oh boy aren’t you the clever one, you can write scripts in a language more akin to BASIC than it is to Java, as so many scriptors like you would like the rest of the SecondLife world to beleive.
It probably took you the best part of 2 years to work out how to write your wonderful “i can crash a grid script”, i’m just wondering how long into that 2 years it was before you graduated from wearing the cotton wool buds on your finger tips ?
I guess you can’t take a hint as to how fucking mentally retarded you actually appear to the rest of the coding world in continuing to run the same script over and over way beyond any proof of concept ideal, for no other reasons than to “get a reaction”, and for the “hey look at me look at me i can crash a system” appeal. Even a 3rd rate wannabe would try new approaches instead of just running the same old crap over and over again, you are truely pathetic !!!
Oh no wait, you changed the texture didn’t you ??? Woah, heavy stuff, you truely are L337, can i join your crew, oh please please let me in your ultra hardcore ‘scripting’ gang – LMFAO
Some how i suspect that there’s only one of you morons that actually wrote the code, i still reckon it took the 2 years at least for a moron anthing like yourself to learn how, but i suspect that the majority of you WHat freaks cant do bugger all but drag a script into an object and type something along the lines of “/10 L337 k1LL” hence the continued use of the same script over and over again. About the same ranking as the lowest of the low, the downloader haxx0r, the ones who download scripts/exploits, then act all elite because they can type a command or click a button to initiate it runnig against a machine.
As much as i feel you and your friends won’t get prosecuted, i really hope you do, you’re quite obviously the fucktard that the majority of these people here describe you and your friends as and totally deserve it. On top of which, again as much as i feel Kiss et al wont be able to press for any damages, i really wish again that this could be successful, perhaps since you cant see what a complete retard you look, if you had to pay for the L$ lost, that may make a dent in your fake “i can download and run a script” ego.
What really pisses me off though dickhead, is that i am called a ‘griefer’ to, i am made to look like you by being called the same name by LindenLab. The fact of this is, you truely are a griefer, a complete asshole in my opinion, you will kill EVERY ONE’s enjoyment, and cause all business’s virtual cost, for no other reason than to “get a reaction” and “hey look at me, look what i can do”. That is just out and out pathetic. At least when i got in trouble, it was called for, i was retaliating against some one shooting at me, or choppsing off at me. We are not the same, i may well be a ‘griefer’ under the current definition of such, but, you and your friends truely are complete assholes who need to be removed, not only from SecondLife, but from the internet as a whole.
Was this reaction enough for you Plastic Fuck ? I have news for you
it wasn’t reaction, read, digest, wake up to your reality.
cheers
TrannyPet Barmy
The REAL ONE
ps. i’m afraid i dont succumb to intimidation my feathered friend, and certainly not to the level that “SHUT THE FUCK UP” constitutes
Fallen Hasp
Dec 15th, 2005
There was supposed to be a system in place to deal with this. They skipped from suspensions into calling the FBI and didnt ban the accounts. The language allows for the griefspheres to be executed and they were using the software with permission. And, i dont agree that real life consequences transfer into a virtual world. Otherwise prostitutes would be arrested for selling sex in game. Well, many of your points seem valid Uri. I just dont believe this is ethical. And, as annoying as those kids have been . . I dont want to see anyone go to jail. I have lost all respect for LL. I cant believe they set those kids up to take a fall over a stupid game. By not creating any boundries for those kids they basically gave their consent. Handing them over to the FBI now seems like entrapment.
TrannyPet Barmy
Dec 15th, 2005
LOL @ dont drop the soap in the shower
Uri, your points are all, bar one, valid in my opinion especially what you say about a prosecutor having a field day manipulating the uneducated in what is and isn’t hacking, exploiting etc etc etc ….. (partly why i’m speaking up some in these threads, when people are being misled either by themselves or others)
The issue i am raising here is that having the flag variables available to allow these sort of scripts to be written is contrary in implication to “we dont want you to crash our grid”. If LindenLab don’t want the grid crashed, then why supply the attackers with the tools to do so ?
Ask yourself this ? Why haven’t lots of people stolen a couple of million L$ by issueing a command to pay themselves cash that they don’t have ? Simple, they can’t, the code has been written such that you can’t just issue a command to pay yourself cash that you don’t have. In the scenario that you describe, not regulating in world activity by code, every one would be able to do exactly that, help themselves. The code regulates what you can and can’t pay yourself, so why not regulate ability to replicate objects accross sim boundaries ?
Despite any misconceptions of the online virtual community being some utopia, this fact is simple, there will *ALWAYS* be assholes in the world that will always take advantage of any thing they can, for what ever reason, if only to gain attention(as in Dumbfuck Duck’s case). It doesn’t matter if LindenLab win this or not, next week there will be another asshole doing the same, it will never end. Removing the piece of code that allows the exploitations to occurr stops the problem dead, it can’t happen again. Sure more exploits will be found, but thats the nature of the beast, patch them and plug them. It’s a lot less cheaper in court costs and user’s virtual losses. At the end of the day, continually shelling out large amounts of cash to see court cases through, over and over, or a minimal amount of investment in updating code once per exploit ? It really doesn’t take a business guru to work this one out.
I really can’t see why some people here are having such a large problem grasping this concept, it’s really not tricky.
TrannyPet Barmy
The REAL ONE
TrannyPet Barmy
Dec 15th, 2005
hah, its now time to depart to my bed for a good hard Wa…………. sleep
To all of those capable of polite and intelligent discussion this evening, it’s been a pleasure and i bid you good night, to all the others …………. nah, i wont lower to it.
Look forward to continuing this heated discussion further tomorrow, unless of course this becomes old news fast, and something new and stimulating arrives.(and no Rubber Plastic Cup, i’m not referring to delivery of your blow up doll)
ttfn
TrannyPet Barmy
The REAL ONE
Raymond Polonsky
Dec 16th, 2005
Do you read any of your posts Tranny? Seriously. You contradict yourself half of the time. I mean look at all the posts you did just now and how long they are on a topic you have admitted know nothing about.
First, a Syn/Smurf attack was not what happened here so therefore it WAS irrelevant.
Second, you are basing your knowledge of the law based on UK laws which do not apply as this is the USA.
Third, reread the UK CMA that you seem to love so much and you will see this type of attack is illegal in the UK as well.
Fourth, get over yourself and the ‘I only speak about what I know’ know it all attitude, because as you are showing your ignorance and erogance instead of your vast knowledge. Wrap that one around your noggin a second, if you can pull it out of your ass of course.
I know you said you been programming 30 years so you are at least 40 something and living in the UK. Are there not better things to do in the UK for someone of your age? Didn’t that new drinking law go into effect for 24/7 drinking? Get out and get away from the computer for a bit. I think you could use a break. You’re getting all heated up over nothing that truly affects you, but mere words.
Raymond Polonsky
Polonsky & Churchill
Second Life In-Game Lawyers
Plastic Duck
Dec 16th, 2005
Dear TrannyPet Barmy.
Shut the fuck up.
Plastic FUCK
THE REAL ONE
Wyvern Sieyes
Dec 16th, 2005
im not a scripter myself and most of it goes right over my head …
but as i see it the W-hats are nothing more than cyber terroists!!!
in my view there is not alot to stop greifers as to do so would lead to a draconian scripting system.
as the internet and world wide web is so infinnite there will always be back doors and new ways of greifing ppl.
plug up one hole and another one will open.
to try and stop all type of greifing would proberly along the line infinge on free speech.
and then what have we got???
a vitual Big Brother system where you cant do anything without being scrutanised..
this will be an on going war between basicly good and evil.
if you find an acceptable solution to this please tell the world leaders as im sure it could help in fight on RL terrisom.
basicly. put up with it as its not going to go away any time soon.
do what you like to get rid of the griefers but theres only going to be another one to take his place.
No One of Consequence
Dec 16th, 2005
Tranny:
You seem to have ignored the third option.. It’s very likely that the FBI will just not care. They have a rumored tendancy of only focusing on cases that have real economic impact. A couple game servers crashing because their administration doesn’t know how to run them properly, probably won’t warrant much attention beyond a form letter response.
Kiss
Dec 16th, 2005
Could the FBI just file and forget about this? Sure, it’s possible.
Could the whole thing be just huffing and puffing by LL? Sure, it’s possible.
However, it’s not “just a couple of game servers crashing because their administration doesn’t know how to run them properly”. It’s game servers crashing because of a premeditated, intentional attack made by someone with the intent to cause them to crash.
I realize that everybody and his brother his has been throwing out analogies, but some of them do come close. For example: If you were to come into my house and trash it my having left the door locked or unlocked is irrelevant – your a vandal for having done so.
There is no doubt of course (and I don’t think anybody is denying) that a DoS attack is a ToS violation. The question is whether a DoS attack warrants being banned from the game, or rises to the level of being a criminal act. Case law is clear – it’s criminal. However, like a lot of “laws” some are enforced and some aren’t. We shall see.
me
Dec 16th, 2005
i have not read all of the comments, but i go to say this. lets break down some things here. i see the term “virtual world” flung about a lot, unfortunately the server this runs on is in the “real world”. From my brief read and no experience in SL, correct me if i’m wrong, but exploits in the software were run from a remote host. so far the story is, exploits run against remote server. this happens frequently on the internet and everytime i have followed the story (i do network security, so i follow a lot of these stories) the people running exploits if caught are punished. Maybe you have some gripes against SL (which you appear to), but that is unrelated to this. If a law has been broken it is not SL’s responsibility to enforce US law, it is US lawmakers and they have chosen the correct path in reporting this. If they take law into their own hands than they better have damn good lawyers to protect themselves from US law. FBI may or may not investigate, but if you run a server on the Internet and people exploit it, you can turn to the authorities no matter what is running on it, UNIX, windows, SL, IIS whatever. You should do your own security, but you do not have to do your own law enforcement.
TrannyPet Barmy
Dec 16th, 2005
Raymond
final time, then no more wasting time on you, i’ll address the issues you appear to have :-
Do you read any of your posts Tranny? Seriously. You contradict yourself half of the time. I mean look at all the posts you did just now and how long they are on a topic you have admitted know nothing about.
All the time Raymond, another suggestion for, perhaps you should to ? Maybe you wouldn’t post comments full of poor english and grammar. You say i admitted to “know nothing about” this topic ? Where exactly did i admit this then oh great Raymond ? I seem to remember saying “no, i don’t know everything”, which i don’t, however, i do have a fair understanding of this field of law, and computing. It’s only you who seems to think i made some admission contrary to this.
First, a Syn/Smurf attack was not what happened here so therefore it WAS irrelevant.
Like i suggested to you recently, try reading the pages that you post urls for in your comments. You’ll see on one of them SYN/Smurf are mentioned, as forms of Denial of Service attacks, which i think you’ll find is what is being discussed in this topic ? Perhaps you may do yourself the favour adding “knowing what the discussed topic is” to your list of prerequisites for posting. I’m actually surprised as to why you question my following up the SYN/Smurf forms of DoS in this discussion, being the ultimate uber-genius you seem to think you are. Actually no i’m not ………..
Second, you are basing your knowledge of the law based on UK laws which do not apply as this is the USA.
No body said i wasn’t, infact as i’ve already said in response to your comment of this nature previously, i even said in my initial post making reference to the UK CMA, that i was using the UK as an example, but added that the UK’s laws and the US’s are not disimilar.
Third, reread the UK CMA that you seem to love so much and you will see this type of attack is illegal in the UK as well.
I don’t need to reread it, there are 3 offences covered, any one of which could cover a Denial of Service attack, however, if you read my previous comments, you would understand that in order for any of these to be applicable in this case, the access to the grid would have to have been UNAUTHORISED just as the title of the offence sections states.
I also notice you make a claim yet again here, and fail to show where you think the UK CMA covers this particular Denial of Service ?
Fourth, get over yourself and the ‘I only speak about what I know’ know it all attitude, because as you are showing your ignorance and erogance instead of your vast knowledge. Wrap that one around your noggin a second, if you can pull it out of your ass of course.
Unlike you Raymond, i do only claim knowledge as knowledge when i KNOW it to be so. I think it’s you who needs to get over the fact that you actually *know* nothing on this subject, and are desperate to not appear lacking knowledge in some field of law, simply because you’re trying to make an easy buck in game professing yourself to be some form of lawyer. These silly little personal attacks of yours say it all. It’s quite often the case that when some one is unable to argue with knowledge related to the discussion, they’ll lower themselves to the personal attack tactics that you appear to be littering this discussion with.
I know you said you been programming 30 years so you are at least 40 something and living in the UK. Are there not better things to do in the UK for someone of your age? Didn’t that new drinking law go into effect for 24/7 drinking? Get out and get away from the computer for a bit. I think you could use a break. You’re getting all heated up over nothing that truly affects you, but mere words.
I’m not entirely sure where you’re getting this “you’re getting all heated up” thing from ? Do i appear angry to you ? Perhaps that’s just what you wish was the case. No Raymond, i don’t get angry over forum posts, least of all over some personal attacks from just another retard thinking he can win some battle for credance through personal attack. Do you think you’re getting any where ? 90% of the people on these forums have seen your type before i’m sure. You’re nothing special, you’re not fooling any one, the tactic has been seen time and time again by the likes of yourself. Oh and i see we’re moving towards the “you have no life” lines now ?(yet another tell tale sign of a wannabe, lol, i should write a book on forum behaviour)
Why don’t you try posting some comments void of personal attack, and try simply addressing the facts or showing some reasoning to what you say, instead of just making a claim that something is illegal and leaving it at that. If you were in a real court, prosecuting such a case, you’d have to show LOTS of reasoning, simply because of the possible mitigating circumstances surrounding a case such as this.
Prove what you know, rather than proving what you don’t know, and that the level of your arguements are personal attacks. Ultimately though, i stick with my suspicion as to your knowledge/ability, and suspect that you’re incapable of such a post, and the only thing that you’ll be able to follow this post with is yet more personal attack, as oppossed to any reasoned/proven refutation. PROVE ME WRONG
TrannyPet Barmy
The REAL ONE
TrannyPet Barmy
Dec 16th, 2005
Kiss
It’s a good approach you have taken, work on the grounds of what it *definately* is, a DoS attack, then work on the considerations that need to be taken into account to ascertain weather any illegal/criminal activities have taken place. I think there are a few considerations that need to be taken into account before any one can evaluate this attack as being criminal or not. Let’s see if i can get this message accross put in this format :-
a) Since the scripting language allows for such a script to be written, and since this is well documented by LindenLab themselves, would the running of such a script be deemed fair usage or not ?
It’s like the example some one else gave, about manipulating urls in order to get a cgi script to perform an unintended operation. If you had to manipulate the system in order to get it to do something it shouldnt have, then yes, i would agree with you that it’s totally illegal.
But take this particular case is more comparable to a web developer writing the some code to be executed when a user clicks a link given to them in his web application, and that bit of code having a bug in it causing the whole system to die ? The user did nothing but click on a link that the application supplied them with, they didn’t have to manipulate anything, and they consequently cause the whole system to crash. You really see that as illegal ? If you do that would mean i could simple put up a site that does exactly this, invite you to visit it, and as soon as you clicked the link, i could sue your ass to hell ?
b) Who/What was the source of the grid attack ? Who’s machine was the source of the attack ?
The machine that script would have been running on would have been one of LindenLab’s(scripts are compiled and executed server side), remember, currently, it’s not illegal at all to publish a script exploit, or to be in posession of such scripts, it’s only actually the execution of such a script that is illegal, so it wasn’t actually until the point the script was executed that any activity at all *may* be considered illegal. The script was actually compiled by a LindenLabs machine and executed by a LindenLab’s machine(unless of course you truely beleive the whole game to reside in it’s entirety on each user’s machine)
c) Were measures taken that deemed the person(s) responsible for the attack unauthorised users of the system ? Were measures taken to prevent such usage from occurring ?
If the attacker(s) were not deemed unauthorised users and therefore were authorised to use the system, and the system didn’t openly allowed for such an attack to occurr(openly implying documented scripting features), and that the attacker(s) had to do something outside of the scope of normal usage to initiate the attack, then, there may be a case. How ever, the crux of *this* particular attack is, the user wouldn’t have had to do anything outside the scope of normal usage in order to launch this attack. As mentioned already in A), the LSL language openly allows and documents commands that allow such attacks to be initiated.
One final thing i’d like to add to this though Kiss, i think one thing that many people here are failing to recognise, is that this isn’t your straight forward “take a web site out of action” case, which i would fully agree with you as to it’s criminal nature, and success rate of a case. But this is plain and simple, webservers are designed to not be taken out of action by remote sources. The only exception to this being some one who writes poor code on the webserver that it’s self causes the system to deny it’s self service. The biggest difference between what LindenLab’s are experiencing, and the usual run of the mill DoS’s is that LindenLab’s game servers themselves allow for such server states that cause things to fall over, through the LSL language, and because of this, your main consideration should be the fair/normal usage issue. If it’s fair and expected usage(and personally if i openly document some feature, i would expect it to be used sooner or later) of a system, how can it possibly be illegal/criminal ?
TrannyPet Barmy
The REAL ONE
TrannyPet Barmy
Dec 16th, 2005
Dear Spastic Fuck
By your own admission, you *ARE* a 3rd rate, wannabe, attention seeking nobody, i wonder how much you’ll cry at your lack of attention/reaction when every one in SL moves onto another system that doesn’t allow for 3rd rate wannabe haxx0r exploit scripts such as yours, or, when SL finally code you out (which i have this feeling will not be long
)
TrannyPet Barmy
The REAL ONE
Fallen Hasp
Dec 16th, 2005
Kids test limits. Its what they do. Its the responsibility of LL to set boundries for them and make the space safe for everyone. If they can not make the space safe then they have the right to remove individuals from it. LL has ultimate authority in this space. Therefore, LL is ultimately responsible for what occurs within it (unless the software is accessed illegally without consent). LL alone is responsible for the griefing and server attacks that occur repeditively by authorized users of their software. And, i strongly suspect these kids are being used as pawns in a campaign. Well its going to backfire. We arent that stupid. If this is how you treat your own users, handing them over to the FBI and trying to destroy their real lives, for publicity or whatever backwards goals youre trying to achieve, how can any of your users feel safe in your space ever again? LL has ruined their credibility. Scripters cant manipulate code in game without risking not only their account but now their real life is jeapordized? How do you know other cases wouldnt be turned over to authorities? If they would do something like this to kids they didnt take the time to ban then i guess anyone can be LL’s next scapegoat. They should have banned those kids. Nothing anyone says here is gonna change that truth.
So unless you can show us where they banned them and they came back unauthorized using the software, this entire case is in reality an attack against all gamers online. You should be as outraged as we are.
TrannyPet Barmy
Dec 17th, 2005
SPOT ON
TrannyPet Barmy
The REAL ONE
Aliasi Stonebender
Dec 18th, 2005
Well, not that anybody is reading this at THIS late date, but… Prok
!= is common shorthand for “is not equal to.”
So, Code != Law means “Code is not equal to Law”; in short, I’m *agreeing* with you.
“=” != “!=”, in other words.
TrannyPet Barmy
Dec 18th, 2005
hmmmm unless you’re a low life BASIC coder i think you probably meant :-
“==” != “!=”
unless of course you really did mean to use the ‘assignment’ operator as oppossed to ‘equality’ ? Not quite so clever if you really did mean to use the assignment operator, but there you have it, take it or leave it.
TrannyPet Barmy
The REAL ONE
Prokofy Neva
Dec 18th, 2005
Um, Aliasi, it’s not “common” short-hand — at least not anything that is standard for “common”. You won’t find it in the AP style book, the Chicago Manual of Style, or Strunk & Wagnalls, not that any of these literary source books matter to you.
Perhaps it is “common” in “l33t speak” or something (it doesn’t appear to be any common mathematical symbol, but of course I could be wrong — however we were always taught that this was the symbol that looked like a diagonal slash through an equal sign
http://www.w3.org/Math/characters/html/symbol.html (like on this page)
I didn’t even notice the ! — but anyway, I’m glad to hear that you agree that code is NOT equal to law.
TrannyPet Barmy
Dec 19th, 2005
LMAO @ “not common shorthand”
Prok, only about 95% of all programming languages out there use it to denote “not equal to” !!!!!!
here you go http://www.htmlite.com/perl014a.php (these are ‘common’ comparison operators, common to many languages)
but then of course, your word should stand, since you know better than any one of us of course. *all hail The Great Prokofy Neva*
TrannyPet Barmy
The REAL ONE
Ben Kerensky
Dec 20th, 2005
I disagree with this article. I have not been shitting myself this entire week due to surgical circumstances that require a liquid-only diet.
You SL Herald types are pretty quick to drop our name.
Urizenus
Dec 22nd, 2005
Discussion of this has *finally* been taken up by the eggheads on Terra Nova. Good discussion though.
http://terranova.blogs.com/terra_nova/2005/12/the_solution_to.html
Shei Domino
Dec 30th, 2005
I swear to god this is the stupidest thing I’ve ever read.
The SL community continues to baffle me. It’s even stupider then I remember every single time. My brain caves in on itself every time I visit the SL forums or this goddamn cesspool that calls itself a source of information. Half of what you guys cover is just badmouthing W-hat, calling them a “community of griefers” or saying they’re “shitting their pants” because of some legal threat against nobody in particular. But I guess that’s the most you guys can muster for news, since the SL community is so vapid. What else are you going to cover? “New and Unique Vampire S&M Club built?” “Furries: are they gay, or what?” There’s just nothing there. So you just talk trash about W-Hat and say they’re shitting their pants over some legal threat that can’t possibly be aimed at them, anymore than you could aim a legal threat at any other group in SL. Plastic was in the “people who like plywood cubes” group! Call the FBI.
I’m embarassed to be in the same world as you people, honestly.