Shock! Philip Linden Invites Plastic Duck to Apply for Job at Linden Lab
by Alphaville Herald on 22/03/07 at 4:46 pm
What happens when notorious griefer Plastic Duck (aka Patrick Sapinski) inquires about the job of CTO Jedi at Linden Lab? Behold:
Hi Patrick, thanks for the contact! I don’t think you are a fit for the operations role, but you might want to apply for one of the engineering positions, from the description of your background.
best,
Philip
Um, ok, so Plastic *did* burnish his resume just a bit … claiming that
I have been managing a group of about 100 developers for over 3 years. We specialize in writing small and large business applications. Some of our major accomplishments include:
- Robust design applications and programming languages used to control custom robotics used by NASA and many major U.S. automotive companies.
- Designed, programmed, and maintained small networked grids used throughout the United States by the U.S. military and government to control, analyze, and store sensitive data and records.
Yes, we understand, Philip probably didn’t know who Patrick was, and perhaps this is his granola munching fattie huffing way of saying “get lost”. But then, we simply must ask, wtf is going on in this report about Plastic chillin’ with Rinutai Linden and Eggy Lippmann on the SL beta voice grid? Could it be that Plastic is now on the payroll? It’s ducky ducky ducky ducky world!
(Originally reported here, and confirmed via secret channels with Mr. Duck. Plastic Duck’s inquiry is below the fold).
Patrick Sapinski wrote:
Hello Philip,
I read your Second Life blog post and was intrigued by the position you described. I have been involved with Second Life for over 2 years now. Since I first joined, I’ve been recommending the fixes and optimizations that are just now being put into place by the Linden Lab developers. I have been managing a group of about 100 developers for over 3 years. We specialize in writing small and large business applications.
Some of our major accomplishments include:
- Robust design applications and programming languages used to control custom robotics used by NASA and many major U.S. automotive companies.
- Designed, programmed, and maintained small networked grids used throughout the United States by the U.S. military and government to control, analyze, and store sensitive data and records.
I would like to speak with you regarding the job position you described and am very interested in the possibilities of a future career at Linden Lab.
Patrick Sapinski
Chief Of Central Key Services
[yes, I know, the acronym would appear to be COCKS -- Uri]
Prokofy Neva
Mar 22nd, 2007
Plastic Duck doesn’t just “play a few pranks” as these chirpy whitewashers say over at ugotrade.com. He’s a hands-on, systematic, conspiratorial, serious destroyer, who, when he crashes the entire grid, causes real US dollar damage — it’s like a denial-of-service attack and is a cybercrime with real damages. Supposedly, he’s under investigation by the FBI, based on LL’s complaints, and LL even issued a warning to the Canadian media not to portray only his side of the story. Whether you feel that’s right or wrong, it can still be noted that he tells the most preposterous stories in order to get attention and whitewash his griefing.
The systematic, gross, and serious griefing he has done inworld, which is amply documented, involves stalking, harassing, spewing obscene particles, defacing RL pictures, etc. etc. is also not “a mere prank” but a serious offense.
He’s also a RL stalker, and he’s under investigation by the police.
One of the systematic griefing actions that he and other W-hats did was to try to get me to show up to this beta-test voice thing, so that I could be ridiculed. Runitai should be ashamed of himself for allowing Plastic Duck to be on the grid like that with the name Plastic Dix — in fact several of us had already repeatedly over weeks abuse-reported Plastic Dix for his inworld harassment and the Lindens did nothing, knowing perfectly well what was up. (He’s now finally removed from the list).
Right around the time of this voice testing, I posted a critical comment about the disgraceful decision of the American Cancer Society to enable W-hat to be one of the relay teams. I will definitely urge everyone not to take part in their fund-raising for that one!
No sooner did I post the article, at 2:30 am, as I happened to be up late waiting for a job edit to come back to me, then the phone rang at my RL home with Plastic Duck stalking me again — in the middle of the night! This time he asked, “Can we speak to your daughter?” who is a minor. This is sick stuff. It’s taped and reported.
Ugotrade.com and the Herald shouldn’t be white-washing a psychopathic liar and Internet-histrionics attention whore like this in this manner, making it seem like all Plastic Duck does is get up to little fun tricks like making little funny machinimas that satirize SL or making prank letters to Philip. Next thing there will be a story about how he’s calling the Lab and asking if they have Prince Albert in a can.
What he’s trying to do in leaving a voice tape at LL in the beta, or at my house, is to get caught. What he’s doing in giving his name to the Toronto Star is trying to get attention, and taunt people, and trying to get them to catch him. It’s just a sad sick little ritual, which the Herald is fueling.
Squiggleberry!
Mar 22nd, 2007
Prokofy Neva doesn’t just “Post a few lines” as these chirpy whitewashers say over at ugotrade.com. He’s a hands-on, systematic, conspiratorial, serious destroyer, who, when he blog posts, causes real US dollar damage — it’s like a denial-of-service attack and is a cybercrime with real damages. Supposedly, he’s under investigation by the FBI, based on LL’s complaints, and LL even closed thier own forurms in order to not to portray his side of the story. Whether you feel that’s right or wrong, it can still be noted that he tells the most preposterous stories in order to get attention and whitewash his griefing.
The systematic, gross, and serious griefing he has done inworld, which is amply documented, involves stalking, harassing, spewing obscene words, defacing RL pictures, etc. etc. is also not “a mere prank” but a serious offense.
He’s also a RL stalker, and he’s under investigation by the police.
One of the systematic griefing actions that he and other Ravenglassers did was to try to get me to use less words, so that I could be ridiculed. Runitai should be ashamed of himself for allowing Prokofy Neva to be on the grid like that with the name Prokofy Neva — in fact several of us had already repeatedly over weeks abuse-reported Prokofy Neva for his inworld harassment and the Lindens did nothing, knowing perfectly well what was up.
Right around the time of this voice testing, I posted a critical comment about the disgraceful decision of the American Cancer Society to enable Ravenglass to be one of the relay teams. I will definitely urge everyone not to take part in their fund-raising for that one!
No sooner did I post the article, at 2:30 am, as I happened to be up late waiting for a job edit to come back to me, then the phone rang at my RL home with Prokofy Neva stalking me again — in the middle of the night! This time he asked, “Can we speak to your Budweiser?” This is sick stuff. It’s taped and reported.
Ugotrade.com and the Herald shouldn’t be white-washing a psychopathic liar and Internet-histrionics attention whore like this in this manner, making it seem like all Prokofy Neva does is get up to little fun tricks like making little funny machinimas that satirize SL or making prank letters to Philip. Next thing there will be a story about how he’s calling the Lab and asking if they have Prince Albert in a can.
What he’s trying to do in leaving a voice tape at LL in the beta, or at my house, is to get caught. What he’s doing in giving his name to the Toronto Star is trying to get attention, and taunt people, and trying to get them to catch him. It’s just a sad sick little ritual, which the Herald is fueling.
Baba
Mar 22nd, 2007
Prokofy, you have to admit sometimes Plastic just shoots a few dicks at people and leaves it at that.
myshinator
Mar 22nd, 2007
“Right around the time of this voice testing, I posted a critical comment about the disgraceful decision of the American Cancer Society to enable W-hat to be one of the relay teams. I will definitely urge everyone not to take part in their fund-raising for that one! ”
So you’re saying it’s ok to deny money for cancer research because they’re in league with griefers?
That makes absolutely no sense.
Prokofy Neva
Mar 22nd, 2007
Yes it’s ok to deny money for cancer research because they’re in league with griefers. ABSOLUTELY. That’s EXACTLY what I’m saying. What’s next, Ageplayers Against Cancer? Seriously, you need to get a grip.
A charity shouldn’t be using nefarious means to get money. That’s certainly not what this well-known charity is like. They don’t go into certain crime-ridden cities and neighbourhoods in RL and say, hey, let’s get the mafia and the gangsters to run relays for our cancer research!
Instead, they get businesses in good standing, pillars of the community, to help with the effort. It’s an exercise that strengthens both the reputation of that company for doing good and the ACS itself. It’s their formula, and it works.
What’s happening in SL is that Jade Lily and the other organizers have never grasped that they should copy this formula in SL exactly as is, because they don’t understand business and how to work with a varied community but only understand their littles hothouse FIC cliques and how to make publicity man-bites-dog stunts like “let’s get the griefers to do good”. It discredits the ACS; it whitewashes people who have NO INTENTION of becoming “good” but are just laughing up their sleeves.
I have no idea whose BAD idea this was to get the griefers involved in relays, but they should be sent to the doghouse. It’s just BAD JUDGEMENT.
What probably happened is that Jade or one of the others was relentlessly bothered by one of these W-hatters who was cunningly trying to whitewash themselves, and they caved, thinking it was clever. At least I hope it wasn’t an idea that came unilaterly
I can see that I’ll have to do stuff like write to the real-life leadership of the ACS to make them aware of this really bad judgement call because Jady Lily and company just cannot get it through their thick heads: it’s not about enhancing your clique and giving you all points and thinking up wacky ideas like this out of the blue, it’s about the entire business community, a diverse menu of businesses and projecting some sense of respectibility. Here in the third year running, Jade Lily and co. still haven’t made it possible for any business to be a sponsor and easily get visiblity for their logo. Instead, she’s got this “team” system which in SL terms turns into little feted cliques doing their little activities and congratulating herself.
There’s another cancer support group I support that sent me a notecard about themselves and where to read up on them to establish their credibility, and in a no-nonsense-way, sent me 6 kiosks to put out that people can contribute to. The money comes to me and is scripted to automatically to that charity’s avatar, so that I can see whether the placement is working and whether people bother to contribute, and then can move it around if necessary.
The FIC is generally soft on W-hat — Aimee and Flipper have ensured that softness by hanging out in SC and accepting W-hat as “normal” and “ok” and “not to be condemned.”
Squiggleberry!
Mar 22nd, 2007
Yes it’s ok to deny money for cancer research because they’re in league with Black People. ABSOLUTELY. That’s EXACTLY what I’m saying. What’s next, Jews Against Cancer? Seriously, you need to get a grip.
A charity shouldn’t be using nefarious means to get money. That’s certainly not what this well-known charity is like. They don’t go into certain crime-ridden cities and neighbourhoods in RL and say, hey, let’s get the Black Folks and the Jews to run relays for our cancer research!
Instead, they get businesses in good standing, pillars of the community, to help with the effort. It’s an exercise that strengthens both the reputation of that company for doing good and the ACS itself. It’s their formula, and it works.
What’s happening in SL is that Jade Lily and the other organizers have never grasped that they should copy this formula in SL exactly as is, because they don’t understand business and how to work with a varied community but only understand their littles hothouse FIC cliques and how to make publicity man-bites-dog stunts like “let’s get the black people to do good”. It discredits the ACS; it whitewashes people who have NO INTENTION of becoming “good” but are just laughing up their sleeves.
I have no idea whose BAD idea this was to get the blacks involved in relays, but they should be sent to the doghouse. It’s just BAD JUDGEMENT.
What probably happened is that Jade or one of the others was relentlessly bothered by one of these black people who was cunningly trying to whitewash themselves, and they caved, thinking it was clever. At least I hope it wasn’t an idea that came unilaterly
I can see that I’ll have to do stuff like write to the real-life leadership of the ACS to make them aware of this really bad judgement call because Jady Lily and company just cannot get it through their thick heads: it’s not about enhancing your clique and giving you all points and thinking up wacky ideas like this out of the blue, it’s about the entire business community, a diverse menu of businesses and projecting some sense of respectibility. Here in the third year running, Jade Lily and co. still haven’t made it possible for any business to be a sponsor and easily get visiblity for their logo. Instead, she’s got this “team” system which in SL terms turns into little feted cliques doing their little activities and congratulating herself.
There’s another cancer support group I support that sent me a notecard about themselves and where to read up on them to establish their credibility, and in a no-nonsense-way, sent me 6 kiosks to put out that people can contribute to. The money comes to me and is scripted to automatically to that charity’s avatar, so that I can see whether the placement is working and whether people bother to contribute, and then can move it around if necessary.
The FIC is generally soft on black people — Aimee and Flipper have ensured that softness by hanging out in SC and accepting blacks as “normal” and “ok” and “not to be condemned.”
Plastic
Mar 22nd, 2007
Prokofy, for the love of god find a new hobby. This is boring. I haven’t even called you since that first time. People are fucking with you in my name because you post these comments and blogs about it. They think it’s funny that you get so angry about it.
I used to just google for my name on your blog because sometimes you’d write something entertaining, but I can’t even do that anymore. It’s old, and pretty sad.
Your claims are compelling, however completely baseless. If you truly want to be convincing, then get your facts together and write something unbiased, with proof and proper citations. Grid attacks, stalking, defacing, harassment, let’s see it. I’m sure herald readers would love to read something a little more thrilling and eventful than some of the crap the SLH has been trying to pass off as news recently.
Come on Uri, you can do better than this. I was too embarrassed to post this e-mail on my own blog, so I resorted to using the rarely read SL thread on SA.
Schwartz Guillaume
Mar 22nd, 2007
The money comes to me and is scripted to automatically to that charity’s avatar, so that I can see whether the placement is working and whether people bother to contribute, and then can move it around if necessary.
either you’re confused or you’re doing a little skimming off the top
Gopher Xenograph
Mar 22nd, 2007
There’s another cancer support group I support that sent me a notecard about themselves and where to read up on them to establish their credibility, and in a no-nonsense-way, sent me 6 kiosks to put out that people can contribute to. The money comes to me and is scripted to automatically to that charity’s avatar, so that I can see whether the placement is working and whether people bother to contribute, and then can move it around if necessary.
1. Thats impossibile scriptwise.
2. What is the name of this alternative cancer support group, so I can look up the 501(c) on them.
3. If you are endorsing them Prok, I’ll be forwarding their president/board of directors some choice nuggets of your wisdom.
Cocoanut Koala
Mar 22nd, 2007
I wouldn’t be about to contribute to something W-Hat is part of.
coco
Prokofy Neva
Mar 22nd, 2007
>1. Thats impossibile scriptwise.
wrong-o
forward away, asswipe, I fear not.
Prokofy Neva
Mar 23rd, 2007
>The money comes to me and is scripted to automatically to that charity’s avatar, so that I can see whether the placement is working and whether people bother to contribute, and then can move it around if necessary.
>either you’re confused or you’re doing a little skimming off the top
Um, no, Madame Schwartz, this *is* how it works — and BTW, that’s how many charity and fortune-telling objects work.
In fact, you’ve been banned for so long, you may have not have caught up with everything that is au courant in SL.
The person pays an object that is your object. It is scripted to pay your object, and then goes through your account and pays the person handling the charity immediately and automatically.
It’s not possible to “skim” from it because the procedure is automatic.
The charity involved knows full well how it works; the person knows there is no scamming; the Lindens know there is no scamming or skimming because they can look in my account at any time.
Barking up the wrong tree here, griefer.
Prokofy Neva
Mar 23rd, 2007
>The money comes to me and is scripted to automatically to that charity’s avatar, so that I can see whether the placement is working and whether people bother to contribute, and then can move it around if necessary.
>either you’re confused or you’re doing a little skimming off the top
Um, no, Madame Schwartz, this *is* how it works — and BTW, that’s how many charity and fortune-telling objects work.
In fact, you’ve been banned for so long, you may have not have caught up with everything that is au courant in SL.
The person pays an object that is your object. It is scripted to pay your object, and then goes through your account and pays the person handling the charity immediately and automatically.
It’s not possible to “skim” from it because the procedure is automatic.
The charity involved knows full well how it works; the person knows there is no scamming; the Lindens know there is no scamming or skimming because they can look in my account at any time.
Barking up the wrong tree here, griefer.
Prokofy Neva
Mar 23rd, 2007
Plastic Duck’s whiny teenage-like loser voice is unmistakeable. It’s a definite voice print. The accent is Canadian…but not completely.
I’ve amply documented all of Plastic’s griefing either in a few articles in the Herald, or a few articles on my blog. You’d think I had spent my life with this to hear them talk, but it’s a matter of calling them on their bullshit, documenting it, exposing it. They especially hate that I call them on the big lie of the “only a few bad apples” meme.
PRKOROFY NEAVARA CAAATS
Mar 23rd, 2007
AGHGHHHHH CAAAATTSS AAJGHHGG
cickmy lunt
Mar 23rd, 2007
does anyone [besides prok] really believe that the w-hats are internet terrorists hellbent on destroying WEB 2.04234221
or is she just some lunatic with a vendetta against plastic
Plastic
Mar 23rd, 2007
Prokofy, you claim to have documented and exposed my griefing in a few articles and blog posts, but do you have any actual proof, or by documenting do you mean that you’ve just repeated the same accusations over and over?
Prokofy is right about the donation boxes. Such a function is just a few lines of LSL. The only way to “scam” such donation boxes is to refuse debit permissions, however a well scripted donation box would use states to disable the money event if no debit permissions were obtained.
By the way, I only ever called you once, Prokofy. If you’d like I can sell you some voice recordings that you can get analyzed privately. It’d be much cheaper than trying to convince any courts to do voice matching, and could still be used as evidence in my favor if I ever need to counter sue
Mudkips Acronym
Mar 23rd, 2007
You know, someone should really write a “piss SL nerd off” argument generator in Java or something.
___name___ is not just a griefer. He is a _____ (terrorist, stalker, scammer, destroyer of private property, communist, fascist, destroyer) who ____ (malicious act analogy to serious business: misunderstanding of DDoS, comparing cocks to terrorism, arson, etc) and ____s (other malicious act analogy). I was simply _____ing (insert innocent sounding verb here. Walking in a garden, listening to live music. Building. Coincidentally, nobody ever says yiffing. Perhaps the furfags should stand up for their e-rights.) on ____ (usually “my land” but sometimes someone else’s or public) with my _____ (friend, colleague, business partner. Gorean sex partner is never here). This has cost me ____ (amount of Linden e-currency, sometimes real money. Note that all claims involving real money are bullshit.) and this is a ____ (crime, federal offense, etc. Insert scary noun here). He is being watched by ____ (insert government agency) and the police for e-terrorism in the form of shooting e-penises on my e-lawn on the e-game of Second Life. (Never “shooting dicks on my lawn” directly. It’s always terrorism). _____ (group or individual: PN, W-HAT, Plastic Duck) are a bunch of criminals and I will stop at nothing to get them thrown in jail.
For example:
Plastic Duck is not just a griefer. He is a real life stalker and internet terrorist who does actions comparable to DDoS attacks and costs me real money. I was simply beta testing a voice application with the American Cancer Society. This has cost people thousands of dollars and this is a crime. He is being watched by the FBI and the police for terrorism. Plastic Duck is a criminal and I will stop at nothing to get them thrown in jail.
or
Mudkips Acronym is not just a griefer. He is an anti-American fascist terrorist leader who hates freedom and property. I was simply building in a sandbox with a colleague. This has cost me OVER NINE THOUSAND dollars and this is a federal offense under Federal Law E293290193.1020a.1bb7. He is being watched by the CIA and the police for terrorism. Mudkips and his ilk are a bunch of criminals and I will stop at nothing to get them thrown in jail.
Mudkips Acronym
Mar 23rd, 2007
also, i had to do this
Plastic Duck doesn’t just “play a few pranks” as these chirpy whitewashers say over at ugotrade.com. He’s a hands-on, systematic, conspiratorial, serious destroyer, who, when he crashes the entire grid, causes real US dollar damage — it’s like a denial-of-service attack and is a cybercrime with real damages. Supposedly, he’s under investigation by the FBI, based on LL’s complaints, and LL even issued a warning to the Canadian media not to portray only his side of the story. Whether you feel that’s right or wrong, it can still be noted that he tells the most preposterous stories in order to get attention and whitewash his griefing.
The systematic, gross, and serious griefing he has done inworld, which is amply documented, involves stalking, harassing, spewing obscene particles, defacing RL pictures, etc. etc. is also not “a mere prank” but a serious offense.
He’s also a RL stalker, and he’s under investigation by the police.
One of the systematic griefing actions that he and other W-hats did was to try to get me to show up to this beta-test voice thing, so that I could be ridiculed. Runitai should be ashamed of himself for allowing Plastic Duck to be on the grid like that with the name Plastic Dix — in fact several of us had already repeatedly over weeks abuse-reported Plastic Dix for his inworld harassment and the Lindens did nothing, knowing perfectly well what was up. (He’s now finally removed from the list).
Right around the time of this voice testing, I posted a critical comment about the disgraceful decision of the American Cancer Society to enable W-hat to be one of the relay teams. I will definitely urge everyone not to take part in their fund-raising for that one!
No sooner did I post the article, at 2:30 am, as I happened to be up late waiting for a job edit to come back to me, then the phone rang at my RL home with Plastic Duck stalking me again — in the middle of the night! This time he asked, “Is your mom scared?” And said “you’re moving with your auntie and uncle in Bel-Air.”
I whistled for a cab and when it came near the licenseplate said fresh and had dice in the mirror. If anything I could say that this cab was rare, but I thought naw forget it, yo home to bel-air.
I pulled up to a house about seven or eight, and I yelled to the cabby yo, home, smell you later! Looked at my kingdom I was finally there. To settle my throne as the prince of bel-air.
cickmy lunt
Mar 23rd, 2007
CickMy Lunt is not just a griefer. She is a communist who has a huge avatar of a dinosaur with prok’s head on the top which blocks my view of the DDR screen. I was simply hanging around in baku with my w-hat budz. This has cost me one linden. She is being watched by lowtax and the radian serious business police for e-terrorism in the form of making e-fun of e-nobheads in the e-game of Second Life. W-HAT are a bunch of criminals and I will stop at nothing to get them thrown in jail.
yeah i can see what you mean
theさいきょう５
Mar 23rd, 2007
This one time in band camp I stuck a flute up my pussy.
theさいきょう５
Mar 23rd, 2007
FOR SERIOUS NO I’M NOT LYING ITS THE INTERNET I WOULD NEVER LIE
Rezza
Mar 23rd, 2007
People seem to get so pissed off about folks who compromise system integrity, but don’t you realize that the majority of these people are the ones who inevitably make systems MORE SECURE?? They compromise systems as a challenge.. annoying the hell out of us, but in the end we get better security from those who REALLY mean to do REAL damage, like steal credit card numbers and personal data.
rezza
Mar 23rd, 2007
And by the way, Prokofy is a paranoid and delusional dildo. And no, I am not associated with W-hat or any of those folks.
Pawl
Mar 23rd, 2007
I think this man is a hero.
Schwartz Guillaume
Mar 23rd, 2007
In fact, you’ve been banned for so long, you may have not have caught up with everything that is au courant in SL.
just because you can’t easily find my name in Search doesn’t mean I’m not still around, dearie-pie
BTW I’ll be in Manhattan this weekend, would you like to meet up at Katz’s for some pastrami sandwiches
Schwartz Guillaume
Mar 23rd, 2007
ALSO, thanks for clarifying how the donation process works; from the way you originally wrote it, it sounded like you were being paid, not one of your objects
Arahan Claveau
Mar 23rd, 2007
I’m only responding because there is a slim chance that someone may read Ms Neva’s rants and actually take her seriously.
This vendetta has gone on way too long and people are bored of it. Only this time she has stooped so low in her personal attacks that she is actually attempting to sabotage genuine Relay For Life fund raising efforts.
Hopefully people can see for themselves how despicable this is and choose to ignore her.
Soleil
Mar 23rd, 2007
Why is being on the SL beta voice grid such a big deal? Anybody can go on.
Cynic
Mar 23rd, 2007
News? Where?
Phil invited ME to apply for a position at LL! Now if I’d taken him up – THEN you’d all have cause to worry… wailing and rending of clothes would have ensued in certain circles for sure!
Still, in case no one noticed, he’s been calling in EVERYONE to apply (talk about desperation).
Now, assuming that Plastic Duck reply is genuine – and I for one would be very surprised if it were – there’s some sense in it. Phil and co, might feel that having the little fucker where they can keep an eye on him might be desirable? ‘Better in the tent, with us, pissing out, than out there with the rest of the rabble pissing in?’
Personally though, having his mailing address, I think I’d be considering more… definite measures, under the circumstances. But then, I, fortunately, am not Phil…
Could be his alt though…
Think about it.
Allana Dion
Mar 23rd, 2007
Like Arahan, I am only writing here to contradict Prokofy’s message and hope people think about what they read. I won’t waste my time arguing or commenting on the people piling on with sad little jokes.
“A charity shouldn’t be using nefarious means to get money. That’s certainly not what this well-known charity is like. They don’t go into certain crime-ridden cities and neighbourhoods in RL and say, hey, let’s get the mafia and the gangsters to run relays for our cancer research!”
I’m guessing you don’t do a lot of charity work, thats ok, no one is required to. People give as they are able. But no, you’re wrong. Trust me, when your goal is to, for example, feed the hungry, you take any donation that is offered. I’ll take a box of canned food for the food bank from a criminal, and do it with a smile, as soon as I would from the local quilting club and I have.
Whether it’s RL gangbangers or SL “griefer groups”, whatever dirt is under a person’s fingernails becomes irrelevent when you can use that person to make the world a little better.
“it’s about the entire business community, a diverse menu of businesses and projecting some sense of respectibility. Here in the third year running, Jade Lily and co. still haven’t made it possible for any business to be a sponsor and easily get visiblity for their logo.”
No, wrong. I’ts not about the businesses involved, it’s not about the people involved. It’s definately not about promoting any single enterprise. It’s about helping people and having an impact on the world. It’s about, in this case, finding a cure for a fatal disease.
So a bunch of people (who cares who they are) got together, played a silly game, and contributed to a worthy cause. This is never a “BAD idea”. There should be even more of this happening.
And to Prokofy: If plastic or someone else really is still calling your home, that is wrong and yes it should be stopped. So stop it. Change your number. You DO have some power over this.
Allana Dion
Mar 23rd, 2007
“I wouldn’t be about to contribute to something W-Hat is part of.
coco”
You would choose not to contribute to a worthy and important cause if you have the ability because you don’t like who it’s other contributors are?
*sigh*
Reality
Mar 23rd, 2007
The saddest part of all of this is that if you take Prokofy’s guilt by association method to the ultimate end …. each and every person using the internet itself is supporting a ‘Griefer’.
We all know that is quite silly – but that IS the ultimate end of that kind of argument.
Lordfly Digeridoo
Mar 23rd, 2007
Prokofy Neva wants you to die of cancer!
I should make t-shirts.
Urizenus
Mar 23rd, 2007
I like Prok, but I definitely want the T-shirt for my collection of Prok-themed T-shirts.
This having been said, I don’t see that Prok’s position here is screwy. We would definitely expect an outcry if the cancer ward of a hospital received a million dollars from a mob boss or drug kingpin. These issues come up all the time. I’m not taking sides, I’m just saying that it is the standard question that would be raised in an ethics class. The theory is that if you accept their contribution to a good cause, you make them look legit and people may overlook their bad activities, which, in some cases may outweigh the good of their contribution (I’m not saying that’s the case here) and ultimately lead to more bad happening (even if under the cloak of apparent virtue).
Anyway, it’s a point to argue and I don’t see that either side needs to be acused of wearing tinfoil hats.
Inigo Chamerberlin
Mar 23rd, 2007
An obvious point seems to have been overlooked here. W-Hat, the Goons, whatever you want to call them have set a system that lets PEOPLE play a game. A rather clever, though simple game. By paying to play the game THOSE PEOPLE contribute to a worthy cause (I’m assuming here that W-Hat aren’t skimming a little off the top – to help cover ‘costs’ shall we say?)
Whatever, the contributions go down in the records as coming from W-Hat, largely because off how scripted payment systems work. And, I suppose a few W-Hatters play the game too, thus contributing a little to the total ‘earned’ – for a worthy cause.
However – the vast bulk of the ‘W-Hat’ contribution comes from non-W-Hat members paying to play, knowing their payment is going to a good cause.
OK, if you want to stand on your ‘principles’ and refuse to involve yourself with W-Hat in any way shape or form, fine. Pat yourself on the back. But I don’t really think you are hurting W-Hat in any way shape or form. You are only hurting a deserving cause.
OK, W-Hat is involved and getting a lot of public credit. So what? You think anyone’s going to turn a blind eye to their less than benign activities because ‘they’ contributed a lot? You think that’s going to make a difference? The only thing it’ll make a difference to is a worthy cause loosing your support because you are allowing prejudice against a small group to blind you to the good they are, however cynically, doing…
Remember, there’s no such thing as ‘clean’ money. It’s how it’s USED that matters. And to be used for good it has to be channeled to a good cause.
Inigo Chamerberlin
Mar 23rd, 2007
Uri
Ethics be damned! Cancer is an ugly thing. In this case, for me (and maybe I’m unethical) pragmatism wins out.
Kerian Bunin
Mar 23rd, 2007
I’ve noticed that a lot of people blame the Herald for consistently doing goon related stories that people don’t consider news, yet if you notice they always seem to have the most heated discussions, tons of comments, and tons of views, while it might not be the most newsworthy it certainly does them good. I would publish all this stuff if I were in their position.
>:3
Mar 23rd, 2007
Haha, I love how Prokofy’s gone so far off the deep end normal people are just trying to ignore her now.
Jorus Xi
Mar 23rd, 2007
/me quotes coco
“I wouldn’t be about to contribute to something W-Hat is part of.
coco”
Best be unassing secondlife most rikki tik then eh?
Marsellus Wallace
Mar 24th, 2007
Perhaps Philip was just being nice to Plastic? I too contacted Philip at one point about a certain position. Here are parts of the e-mail thread that occurred before the phone interview I had with James.
In response to the e-mail I sent Philip:
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Hi Jeremy,
Nice to meet you! I’ll answer an unconventional email in an equally
unconventional way. First, I’m copying James Cook – he was one of the
first developers of SL, is a critical part of LL, and is mind-alteringly
smart. He also lives in Sacramento, so may I suggest that you guys just
figure out a way to meet and we take it from there.
As to the customer service issues, I am copying Daniel, who runs
customer service. He can read this through and either see what we are
doing wrong or defend our thinking on the charges.
best,
Philip
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Here is James e-mail to me shortly after this:
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Jeremy,
I’m one of the developers on Second Life. I was employee 5, so I’ve been here since the beginning.
Send me your resume.
I presume you are this JC Soprano:
http://www.alphavilleherald.com/archives/000089.html and that you used to run one of the Sims Online mafias. A primary interview question, if you get an interview, will be “Convince me you’re not evil.”
Sorry to take so long to respond, but I had a family medical emergency. It’s better now.
James
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After I sent him my resume I did the phone interview with James shortly after. There were no telecommuting opportunities at the time and I did not feel like driving to San Frisco everyday to go to work (90 minute commute with no traffic) so it was not a good fit at the time. Perhaps they see value in “virtual celebrities” or they see the inherit(sp) skill they may have obtained to get to where they are. Who knows?
Look at it this way… Kevin Mitnick(sp) is now a security consultant after he did hard time for computer crimes. The best way to protect your virtual assets to have people in place who know how to unprotect them. Sounds bass ackwords I know, but most techy companies think inside the box and what they need is someone who will think outside the box.
Marsellus Wallace
whateva
Mar 26th, 2007
Typical of Marsellus to slip in here and make it known that he once applied for a job at LL too. My guess is Marsellus is a wee bit upset cause the Herald didn’t give him this attention when he applied at LL. Your post was nothing more than a sad attempt at a shameless plug for yourself. It is irrevelant if you were able to get an interview as well because you are not on the same level as Plastic Duck, who is a 100% guaranteed certified griefer that LL is completely aware about and has been over the last 2 years. You Marsellus are not known to LL on any level other than just being someone who roleplays a wannabe mafia godfather. This isn’t an insult to you or meant to be its just the truth accept it and deal with it.
Marsellus Wallace
Mar 28th, 2007
Ummmm.. Ok? lolol
Marsellus Wallace
P.S. Hi tp! Missed you! haha