Is Second Life Liberation Army Founder Part of a Corporate Spy Firm?
by Pixeleen Mistral on 19/04/07 at 12:13 am
Solidad Sugarbeet resigns from SLLA leadership – claims Marshal Cahill is part of real life “corporate intelligence/security firm”
by Bayesian Textbot
Today, the following notice went out to the Second Life Liberation Army (SLLA):
Dear SLLA members: Via an anonymous source, it has come to my attention that Marshal Cahill is the real life owner of Concentric Solutions, a corporate intelligence firm. As such, I cannot in good conscience remain in a leadership position in SLLA. I have tried to rectify this situation internally, and with limited success; however, the sensitive nature of this situation has left me no choice but to go public with this information. I wish you all the best, and it is my hope that SLLA will one day represent a true revolutionary vision not just for SL, but for RL as well. Sincerely, solidad Sugarbeet
I followed up with Solidad, who simply said: “I can’t reveal the source but I’m willing to stake my rep on this.” A closer look at the Marshal Cahill account reveals little of interest except that he’s managed to be around since 7/26/2006 and is only a member of a single group – his own. Even corporate accounts generally end up with a few extra groups on there.
Herald readers may remember our previous story about the paranoid delusional ranting of a security company called Concentric Solutions seeking to poke their nose into everybody’s business. We were all careful about everything we did for awhile, lest we be accused of being a terrorist.
This wouldn’t be the first time that this sort of honeytrap of strategy has been adopted by security forces. If true, this would hold to the pattern federal law enforcement has been following in trying to track down activists and radicals. Still, at this time it’s only a rumor.
While Concentric lists (through Metaterror.com) World of Warcraft, There, and Second Life as places it watches the public for signs of terror, they haven’t seen fit to let us know what avatar names they tend to use one way or another.
As this story was about to be sent in I received this notecard from Shan Bright entitled “CSI statement”:
Marshal Cahil, founder of the Second Life Liberation Army, is an officer of real life company Concentric Solutions International (http://www.concentricsolution.com/): a corporate intelligence company which boasts of employing US and UK ex-military and intelligence staff, and monitoring online games for information to pass back to the companies who employ them.
“Concentric monitors blogs, social networking sites and even MMORPGs (Massive Multi-Player Online Role Playing Games) in order to inform its intelligence program.” (source: http://www.concentricsolution.com/services.shtml)
I discovered this when I was approached by Keiko Ketsugo, SLLA Media Officer and a personal friend, and Roderick Lytton, who Keiko explained was an alternative avatar for Marshal. They asked me to build an office for a podcasting company they were starting called Singularity Media. At a meeting on the 12th of April to discuss the work, I was asked to build a third floor to house the Second Life presence of a third company, and given the URL “www.concentricsolution.com” to consult for further information.
I was shocked to discover the nature of the company’s work, and realised that many SLLA members – often committed anti-corporate and globalisation activists – would never have joined an organisation founded by an officer of CSI. I discussed the situation with the three SLLA members personally known to me – all of whom serve on the group’s Central Committee: Keiko Ketsugo, Keksakallu Klata, and Solidad Sugarbeet.
Solidad tells me she has resigned and plans to make this information public. I feel it is my responsibility to confirm her story, and put SLLA members in a position to decide for themselves what they wish to do.
I might add that I am myself an anarchist, and entirely support the demand for avatar self-rule also advocated by the SLLA. I believe the organisation needs to put its house in order, and ensure that it is honest, open, democratic, and genuinely serving the aims for which it was founded, and not in any way connected to companies like CSI who use online environments like Second Life to collect information for corporate clients.
Marshal Cahill was unavailable for comment at press time.
As SLLA members grapple with the possibility that they may have been infiltrated – if not founded – by forces opposed to their anti-corporate aims, the legitimacy of at least some of the early SLLA actions targeting high visibility corporate installations in SL is in question. Could Linden Lab have hired CSI to help in it public relations efforts? Certainly SLLA has been quite sucessful in attracting the attention of the mainstream media – for better or worse.
Prokofy Neva
Apr 21st, 2007
Um, gosh, excuse me if I don’t refresh the page every five minutes like you do, you obsessive wierdo, I do other things duh.
1. I don’t care what Frans says. Frans is not remembering it accurately. Perhaps the impression of the *first encounter* so struck his young and impressionable mind that he Copybotted it and imagines there are two. But there aren’t any two. I saw Aimee once, verifiable, with a nametag on with her name “Aimee Weber” on it.
2. I checked with Simone Stern earlier this evening to see what her recollection was. She recalled a) not seeing Aimee at the table with the Peregrines and b) hearing me saying I thought Aimee was there but that’s because c) somebody in the back room *said that* evidently because she was the earlier meeting that she would show up at this one. She had also gone out drinking with Spin and co. the previous night when I didn’t join them deliberately just because it would have been very unpleasant.
So it turns out Aimee was not there, or at least, we have one witness outside your little hothouse circle that says she wasn’t. I assumed she was there because YOU ALL said that there was a “second encounter” and I couldn’t for the life of me figure out what you meant. There wasn’t any. It was a two-day conference. The first day if she was there I didn’t see her at all, and it was the second day, which I missed some of because I had to give a talk elsewhere, that I saw her, if I’m not mistaken.
What you fail to understand, Cristiano, is that I have absolutely no vested interest in proving where and when Aimee showed up at these various meetings because I didn’t approach her or seek her out as you feverishly imagine. And I have no stake in trying to claim she’s somewhere she isn’t, it doesn’t matter. If she wasn’t, great, then the burden of proof is on YOUR to provide the information about this “second encounter.”
There wasn’t one.
3. I didn’t act in any bizarre way. If anything, these freaks acted bizarre by stalking me, forcing themselves on me, saying hi repeatedly, and trying to pounce and get a handshake before I could ID them. Pretty devious and juvenile stuff.
I personally think holding up crossed fingers silently was just the right amount of humorous gesture and signal to leave me alone required for an occasion in which Aimee Weber was thrust on me.
If I had tried to have some argument with her, no doubt we would have heard you bleating and screeching on Second Citizen for weeks, trying to implicate me in some unsavoury “lunchtime confrontation” as you did with Kendra at SLCC.
It’s almost as if you *crave some kind of show*. Sick. Show’s over, folks, go home.
There was no second encounter. I can’t even recall even seeing Aimee in some crowded foyer or something, because at one point when I thought I saw her, somebody pointed out that person as Jennyfur, I mixed them up. They’re alike, broadly speaking.
4. What does it matter, Cristiano? This wierd obsessing about whether Aimee saw me once or twice, and got warded off as the evil she is with her deliberate and obdurate lies about me, claiming I’m making “death threats” and all the rest all this time. Pretty ridiculous.
While your white robes of righteousness are flowing, Cristiano, I suggest you turn your cannon around and fire some friendly fire at your own Second Citizen. If death threats bother you so much, how about this choice one directed at me today on SC:
“04-18-2007, 09:53 AM #38
reeneebob Birmingham
Come Richard, Ree’ll make it better
reeneebob Birmingham’s Avatar
My favorite part is her defense of saying ‘FAT COW’, that she used it
to shock Aimee into ‘shutting up’. Her reasoning is here….
She needs to shut up in the worst way, and pursue her art, and find more positive endeavours in SL and RL.
To which I say, POT KETTLE.
Prok needs to heed her own advice, or get her internet access cut off. There has never been a time, save for one particularly nasty psycho from the Duran boards, that I have actively wanted to throttle some dumb bitch over the interwebz (the psycho in question has cried cancer for sympathy at least twice and got caught lying both times so prok is in illustrious company). Prok, with her temorary va jay jay and lack of hygeine or social skills has now joined that illustrious group.
I also giggle that she feels superior to everyone when all she talks about is the glory days of the Sims Online. Wow. She sure is a winning personality who needs to live in a virtual world! What does it say when even the avatars hate you?”
Or how about an entire thread opened by somebody who took my blog writing and put it in a popular web application that determines whether you are “male or female” and concluded I’m female? Huh?
I think those are just 2 of the 4 or 5 threads open and running about me right this minute, as they have for weeks.
Going to get all worked up about those threats of violence, eh?
Ian Betteridge
Apr 21st, 2007
“In fact, those who consistently drag RL coin into the realm of SL expose themselves to be losers”
So tell me why you’re calling Aimee Weber a “fat cow” again? Because her avatar is nothing of the sort. Oh – you’re dragging “RL coin into the realm of SL”?
Or are you claiming that it’s EVUL AND ABUSE to call someone by their real life name on a forum, but FINE AND DANDY to refer to someone according to their real life appearance on a forum?
Keksakallu Klata
Apr 21st, 2007
Well I thought this thread was about the SLLA.
Just to say I am definitely not Marshal Cahill, and lots of people saw us inworld at the same time.
Keks
Keksakallu Klata
Apr 21st, 2007
Well I thought this thread was about the SLLA.
Just to say I am definitely not Marshal Cahill, and lots of people saw us inworld at the same time.
Keks
Economic Mip
Apr 21st, 2007
Yes Keksakallu, I saw you and Marshal at least four times together. Once I talked to both of you at the same time. It doesn’t make your movement any more respectable, necessary, or valid.
Yung Kakapo
Apr 21st, 2007
They’re probably using dialectical dematerialism to achieve such effective ubiquity. Engels would have been thrilled.
This is, really, fascinatingly interesting.
FlipperPA Peregrine
Apr 21st, 2007
On the first day of VW2007, not that anyone really cares, Aimee and I were talking. We had just met, and it was in the hallway where the bathrooms were, just inside the dual-glass doors that led into the theater. Prokofy did indeed walk by us, glare, and make a cross. It sounded like she was hissing at us, but apparently, she was hissing “Fucking Shit.” Prokofy then continued on into the theater. Simone Stern wasn’t in range of us at the time (this was Wednesday), and Aimee was not at the bar in question (Lit, in Brooklyn) on Friday when Joshua was present. It is a shame it has come to this, as I had a great time with everyone I hung with during the trip!
Prokofy Neva
Apr 21st, 2007
“In fact, those who consistently drag RL coin into the realm of SL expose themselves to be losers”
So tell me why you’re calling Aimee Weber a “fat cow” again? Because her avatar is nothing of the sort. Oh – you’re dragging “RL coin into the realm of SL”?
It’s explained on my blog, champ, and there’s no “hyprokisy” here whatsoever.
Aimee Weber and friends have been dragging my RL into their forums for more than a year now. Publishing my RL address — are you ok with that, Ian? Aimee is, she giggles and flirts with the people who do this.
Taking a picture of my RL door and sending it around, something that Aimee sanctions, and even claims I’ve “made a death threat” about because I’ve said about the person who did that to me that I’d “cheerfully strangle them”. Aimee giggles and flirts and cavorst with the people who did this. Are you ok with that?
Griefers have called me at home and even talked to my child. Aimee writes a column in which, instead of condemning that as wrong and going to far, she goes off on a literalist tekkie malicious tangent, saying that the word “assault” has been misapplied to describe this event, and shouldn’t we all just stop caring and maybe the victims deserve it. Yes, I *know* you’re fine with that malicious approach, but most aren’t.
Aimee has published, over the years, comments that I suffer from psychiatric problems and gender dysphoria and that I must have a crush on her, need to go on a blind date with her, or must be stalking her and she needs to alert the FBI (this, because I criticize her excessive presence, influence, LL-steered media coverage). Hello? You may be fine with that, but I’m not, and in fact many aren’t.
Yet she keeps it up, becomes emboldened in keeping it up with that sick crew at SC, and keeps posting day after day to threads started about me specifically to antagonize me, like one in which someone vows to throttle me (hey, where’s all those weeping limousing liberals concerned about death threats?!) and tries to analyze my prose to “out” my RL gender. Aimee presides, giggling, flirting, parrying, over all of this. That’s fine? No.
So I fight back. They fight dirty, and no amount of efforts to shame them, or expose what they do, or reason with them, or even ignore them works. So I’m happy to fight dirty, too. Maybe if I fight dirty, they’ll see just how awful those methods are. Since they’ve spent a year publishing my RL picture, defacing it, mocking it, describing me as an old, fat, string-haired lady they hope will die (Maxx Monde), and Aimee has been fine with that and even led the charge with the claim that I need to be prosecuted for libel (rolls eyes), I’m going to call her a fat cow. That might work. That might get to the heart of the problem. I hope it does!
>Or are you claiming that it’s EVUL AND ABUSE to call someone by their real life name on a forum, but FINE AND DANDY to refer to someone according to their real life appearance on a forum?
I’m glad you have such a keen and deep sense of justice and propriety, that you care authentically and sincerely *cough* about the use of real-life names on forums and the use of their real-life appearance as a way of taunting them.
Since I’m *sure* you have these values universally, and not just in application to me, I hope you’ll roll back your viewing of Second Citizen for a year, follow it through the publication of my real-life picture defaced in game; follow it through the stalking and ridiculing of me; follow it through the publication of my real-life home address inviting stalkers; then link over to Second Cast and SL Insider and see Cristiano and Aimee justifying and applauding attacks on me, and then, gosh, I hope you will apply your not-newly-found moral values where they really need to be applied.
But..you won’t…because..you believe in using first-life names on forums, and then once having said that, you can’t be against the stalking, ridiculing and outing of their address now, can you?
Thanks again for helping to expose the basic nullity of your positions, Ian!
Joshua Nightshade
Apr 21st, 2007
“Aimee Weber and friends have been dragging my RL into their forums for more than a year now. Publishing my RL address — are you ok with that, Ian? Aimee is, she giggles and flirts with the people who do this.
Taking a picture of my RL door and sending it around, something that Aimee sanctions, and even claims I’ve “made a death threat” about because I’ve said about the person who did that to me that I’d “cheerfully strangle them”. Aimee giggles and flirts and cavorst with the people who did this. Are you ok with that?”
Stop misrepresenting this. You threatened to strangle me, Cris and Aimee in the comments where you banned us from your site. This was a month before the griefer gave me the photo of your door. You banned me because of the w-hat bust thing. I know it’s convenient to lie otherwise, but you threatened me well before I ever tried to get the photograph reported and your threat was in no way related to that.
Prokofy Neva
Apr 21st, 2007
>On the first day of VW2007, not that anyone really cares, Aimee and I were talking. We had just met, and it was in the hallway where the bathrooms were, just inside the dual-glass doors that led into the theater. Prokofy did indeed walk by us, glare, and make a cross. It sounded like she was hissing at us, but apparently, she was hissing “Fucking Shit.” Prokofy then continued on into the theater. Simone Stern wasn’t in range of us at the time (this was Wednesday), and Aimee was not at the bar in question (Lit, in Brooklyn) on Friday when Joshua was present. It is a shame it has come to this, as I had a great time with everyone I hung with during the trip!
Flipper is making this up, entirely, using a hodge-podge of what Frans saw himself with his own eyes, and what Aimee hysterically imagines (I’ve often noticed that the Toxic 20 are able to engineer foli a deux like this at the drop of the hat).
I did not see Aimee until this woman next to Frans appeared with a nametag. Whoever Flip was with by any glass doors didn’t register with me. And again, I’ll note that I had trouble telling Jennyfur and Aimee apart, because I didn’t at first recognize Jennyfur, since she had changed since SLCC 2, and when later I had seen both Jennyfur and Aimee, I had trouble remembering which was which, they are roughly similar.
I didn’t hold up any cross or his or do anything by any glass doors because I didn’t know this person was Aimee.
I recall distinctly seeing Flip three times:
o on the first day, handing out badges
o on the first day, handing out box lunches
o near the bar trying to say hi to me on the metaverse meet-up
I can only report what I remember accurately. I don’t think it’s *that hard* to report such things or difficult to remember them.
If I can meet someone *once* and hold up a cross and say “fucking shit” to them, gosh, Flipper and the rest of the gang would have to concede that it would be no difficulty at all for me to admit — if it were the case — that I had seen them *twice* and held up crossed fingers. I mean, WTF? However, I doubt I’d do that, simply because once is a joke, twice is actually indicating some actual desire to ward off evil which frankly, I think can be warded off much like pouring water on a certain movie witch and watching her melt. Next time, should I try sprinkling holy water lol?
It’s like the problem Joshua keeps falsely raising of me allegedly calling him a “rapist,” when what I called him was a “psychotic” and I wouldn’t have a problem calling him a “rapist,” truly.
If confronted with Aimee *twice* gosh, I’d like to think I’d rise to the occasion and hold up a cross, but I think I’d not be likely to do that. But I don’t recall any actual confrontation with Aimee except with Frans.
So now it occurs to me…hmmm…did I hold up crossed fingers against Flipper? No, I don’t think so, because he’s not evil, not banal lol.
I can only report what I saw, what I remember, and what makes sense. I just don’t see any “second time” and I think Aimee is hallucinating it and Flipper is misremembering it and induced by her to recall it differently.
Ultimately, whether once or twice, the bottom line is that I do not wish to meet Aimee Weber, confront her in any way, or have anything to do with her. That is, if someone would like to arrange a televised debate, sure, I’d do that, if there were witnesses and a tape, to prevent her lies and misrepresentations. However, I know that she will never consent to that, because ultimately, she knows deep down she is hysterically exaggerating stuff to get her way and she knows it won’t keep working.
Joshua Nightshade
Apr 21st, 2007
I find it hilarious that you’re backtracking on this, when the day you did it you gloated that “Ofcourse you did” because that’s exactly how you should “ward off evil.”
It’s HYSTERICAL.
Cristiano Midnight
Apr 21st, 2007
Prokofy,
Why would anyone need to analyze your prose to figure out your gender? You have appeared in public and stated your name – and stated your RL gender. You being a female in RL is hardly an unknown, hell it was known back in TSO.
As far as all the ridiculous claims that Aimee and I wish you RL harm, stating that your ongoing antagonistic behavior against others is directly related to what happened to you. It doesn’t make it right – I have never once said it was fine for Plastic Duck to call you – I just said I was not surprised that it would escalate, given your relentless attacks on people. It is hardly brain surgery to understand that if you attack enough people, someone is going to attack you back. You take no responsibility for your actions, but it doesn’t mean you have no responsibility for them. You try to spin that into wishing you RL harm, which is just ridiculous. It is acknowledging that you could very easily minimize any risk to yourself by not constantly pissing people off.
Here again we have someone confirming your actions. You can keep claiming everyone else is lying Prokofy, but you look really stupid. Who knows, maybe you behave that way so often you don’t even remember it, but you did it twice (once was bizarre enough). If only a crucifix could ward you off.
Cristiano
Cristiano Midnight
Apr 21st, 2007
By the way, notice how Prokofy uses “Aimee Weber and friends” to blame Aimee for anything that anyone else does, simply because Aimee is associated with them. It is a ridiculous tactic. People are responsible for their own actions. It all comes down to Prokofy’s obsession with Aimee and her blaming her for everything ever done to her.
Prokofy Neva
Apr 21st, 2007
>Why would anyone need to analyze your prose to figure out your gender? You have appeared in public and stated your name – and stated your RL gender. You being a female in RL is hardly an unknown, hell it was known back in TSO.
Um, you tell me, champ. Why would someone need to *start a thread* and be an obnoxious *fucktard* and ridicule and belittle me *once again* by trying out the prose of a “famous transgender” and finding “wow, golly, gee-whiz” that they are “really female”? It’s an unnecessary and mean-spirited swipe. It’s not for general good fun, or they’d merely talk about themselves, and not *start it with the aim of ridiculing me*.
Explain that, why don’t you, instead of goading me once again about how my information is outed — in fact, originally against my will, and in fact, originally with *your help*. Fuck you, Cristiano.
>As far as all the ridiculous claims that Aimee and I wish you RL harm, stating that your ongoing antagonistic behavior against others is directly related to what happened to you. It doesn’t make it right – I have never once said it was fine for Plastic Duck to call you – I just said I was not surprised that it would escalate, given your relentless attacks on people. It is hardly brain surgery to understand that if you attack enough people, someone is going to attack you back. You take no responsibility for your actions, but it doesn’t mean you have no responsibility for them. You try to spin that into wishing you RL harm, which is just ridiculous. It is acknowledging that you could very easily minimize any risk to yourself by not constantly pissing people off.
Walker Spaight understood this perfectly. I find it increasingly hard even to debate these issues that are perfectly grasped by those in the intelligentsia with its humanitarian values with those like you, who aren’t in the intelligentsia and don’t have humanitarian values, but substitute mediocre tekkie extremism and literalism for more subtle things.
Making a climate of impunity and incitement — that’s a concept your little mind isn’t grasping at all.
Justifying, belittling, shifting blame — these all contribute to a climate of incitement.
I’m mystified why writing *pieces of journalism* and *my blog* and abuse reporting *actual acts of griefing we can all agree on* about the actual heinous deeds of Plastic Duck and W-hat is somehow something that should lock-step lead to me being harassed at home.
Huh?
Again, Cristiano, you are deliberately, maliciously muddling different things, or perhaps you’re just not intelligent to get the distinctions (or both).
I write about Plastic Duck and his evil deeds — deeds even you can agree are evil, things like grid-crashing, or things like making RL busts of me to deface or things like unleashing the tub-girl particle textures on my tenants. That’s something I’m supposed to “take responsibility” for? Like…that’s a bad thing? THEY need to take responsibility for doing those bad things, I don’t need to be punished for writing about them.
That’s one set of facts.
The other set of facts is that I criticise you, Aimee, Joshua and all your little Romper Room friends for your political views; your heinous actions; your nasty comments on the forums. That’s unrelated to Plastic Duck, v-5, Verbena, and all the rest.
So now you step up, and essentially say this: “I hate Prok, and Prok has criticized me tracking people’s IPs and joining in outing his gender, and I hate what he writes on his blog, therefore when some other evil force, which I might concede is bad, too, goes after him and calls him at home, I’m going to at least golf-clap that because it’s what I wish could be done, but propriety prevents me.”
Because that’s what you’re saying. You’re saying whatever critique I run of the FIC and battle I have with you over your despicable behaviour on the old official forums and at SC, which none of you have taken to the extreme of calling me at home over (!), it’s fine for Plastic Duck to do that, and I need to “take responsibility for being harassed by Plastic Duck” because I’ve “gone too far with everybody” and “Go Plastic Duck!”
It’s really faulty and sinister logic, and despicable, and Mark was right to call you on it.
>Here again we have someone confirming your actions. You can keep claiming everyone else is lying Prokofy, but you look really stupid. Who knows, maybe you behave that way so often you don’t even remember it, but you did it twice (once was bizarre enough). If only a crucifix could ward you off.
I’m definitely not lying. I can only report my experience. I saw Aimee once, not twice. I saw someone later I thought might be Aimee, but was corrected, it was Jennyfur. And later, people said Aimee was there, I took them at their word *shrugs*. I have no reason to lie about something; you have every reason to lie because a) you weren’t there and b) you children concoct worse and worse stories every day at SC as a form of amusement.
Prokofy Neva
Apr 21st, 2007
>Stop misrepresenting this. You threatened to strangle me, Cris and Aimee in the comments where you banned us from your site. This was a month before the griefer gave me the photo of your door. You banned me because of the w-hat bust thing. I know it’s convenient to lie otherwise, but you threatened me well before I ever tried to get the photograph reported and your threat was in no way related to that.
Joshua should stop lying so shamelessly, it’s making him a laughing stock. The record easily shows his lies. Oh, now we’ve got me “threatening to strangle” not only Joshua, but Cris and Aimee? Gosh, that’s rich! What the record shows is a colloquial exclamation about being willing to “cheerfully strangle” anyone who comes near me in RL aimed at Joshua, since he was the one doing that. And it’s said after many, many repeated efforts by Joshua to troll, harass, goad, grief, and expose RL information.
That comment was based on his defacement of the bust and his constant posting of “sitings” and I don’t claim that the door incident came *before* this I merely *list it* as one of the many bad things he has been involved in. Do note, Ladies and Gentleman, throughout these days of posts, Joshua has never reacted to my comment about his posting of “sitings”. He knows they exist, and he is ashamed of them, and never reacts to them or admits them because they, more than anything, damn him as a creepy stalker and open up doubts about every single other thing he says, and he knows that.
Once Joshua has gone over the edge like this, trying to get in good with people, making a false claim that now I’m making death threats against Cristiano and Aimee (!), which even they know isn’t true (unless they are too far gone), then the jig is up. It’s readily apparently that Joshua embarked on this entire sick stunt of stalking me merely to get in good with people whose patience he was trying. His stock is low, and now he’s making another desperate bid to raise it again.
Here’s the link to my original comment:
http://secondthoughts.typepad.com/second_thoughts/2007/01/open_sourceclos.html
The banning of Joshua came after a persistent, griefing, trolling and false claim of “censorship” with my publication of a chat script, and a malicious and cunning refusal to admit the evidence supplied amply that there was no intent of censorship, but just a location that didn’t pick up all the chat, and a willingness to have anybody publish whatever was missing.
Read the note, it’s instructive. Here’s what’s said: “So fuck off, Joshua. And never come near me in RL or SL. I will cheerfully strangle you.”
There is no reference to Cristiano or Aimee whatsoever. Even they aren’t claiming that, and they could.
Joshua Nightshade
Apr 21st, 2007
Prokofy how crazy are you? I’ve commented EVERY time you say that that yes, we used to live near each other, and yes, when I ran into you in real life I commented on it twice.
BTW, for the comments about Aimee and Cris, you should scroll down a bit further. You can see that Aimee quoted it, yet you deleted the comment where you threatened Cris and Aimee. Hot. Glad I still have those screenshots.
Cristiano Midnight
Apr 21st, 2007
Prokofy,
You are fucking insane. Now you are claiming you didn’t also threaten to cheerfully strangle me? Get help you, seriously. I have never seen anyone backtrack so much. My god, the whole thing was documented at the time it happened. I found the idea of you hopping a plane to South Beach to attack me quite funny, so I didn’t take it as a threat. Quit making ninja edits to your blahg in a vain attempt to look like such an idiot. You are sinking lower and lower. It’s bizarre.
Cristiano
Prokofy Neva
Apr 21st, 2007
Um, gosh, Cristiano, wheee, what fun, trying to play gotcha?
I’m referring to the *original encounter* with Joshua, which he was implying falsely was a triple threat of himself, Aimee, and Christiano, which was ridiculous.
And I don’t remove any thing whatsoever from my blog, that’s silly. I have no reason to. I stand by my words.
Here’s what I said:
”
Save away, see you in court. I don’t retract and withdraw a thing.
Like I said, if any of you creeps who wish me harm in RL and have repeatedly goaded me and urged RL damage to happen to me, were ever to come near me in RL, I will cheerfully strangle you. So seriously, fuck off.”
“If any of you creeps” refers to you, too, Cristiano, surely. Or any of you in SC”.
It’s hard to imagine that Aimee would make up an entire quote, and then even say “oops, that post got deleted,” I didn’t even understand what she meant at the time. Now I see she’s concocted something. I have no idea why she did that.
I don’t delete quotes. They stand. There’s a blanket statement referring to all of you, but not to anyone specifically.
But if you are concerned that there’s any lack of clarity anywhere here, or concerned that somehow, I am unable to stand up against myself against bullies, let me rehearse it for you one more time, in a more public place:
FUCK OFF, CRISTIANO, AND IF YOU EVER COME NEAR ME IN REAL LIFE, I WILL CHEERFULLY STRANGLE YOU.
There, better? I hope so! Because I seriously need you to fuck off and stop inciting others to stalk me on public broadcasting and blogs. It’s really evil.
Cristiano Midnight
Apr 21st, 2007
BTW, Prokofy, here is your full comment, that you removed, though oddly forgot to take out of Aimee’s quote of it in the same blog entry:
“Now, listen up, dickhead. I am banning YOU here too under my newly-concieved rule of banning those who not only harass, stalk, ban, attack and play gotcha (that by itself is annoying, but not grounds for banning) but combine that with wishing harm of me in RL.
You’ve done that in spades on the Second Cast broadcast — and Mark Wallace, God bless him, stood up to your evil bullying. You were wrong in making it seem that I deserve to be assaulted by griefers because I exposed their tactics and reported on them in the Herald and my blog.
If we have to wait for our world to become better by having Cristiano doing the right thing, hell will freeze over.
Do not come near me, in RL or SL, or you, too, will find that my self defense will be very motivated, and I will cheerfully strange you, too. And that’s a promise.
Whine, squeal, take out newspaper ads, get the police to bug my phone, do what you need to do, Cristiano, but you seriously need to fuck off.” -Prokofy Neva
Prokofy Neva
Apr 21st, 2007
>Prokofy how crazy are you? I’ve commented EVERY time you say that that yes, we used to live near each other, and yes, when I ran into you in real life I commented on it twice.
Joshua did not live near me. It’s not possible. Notice how he’s now conveniently “moved”. Notice how he’s never been able to explain why, even if he did live near me, which he didn’t, he would persist in stalking me and reporting on my movements, making the preposterous claim that he not only lives near me in a city of some 8 million people, but that he can constantly “accidently” run into me.
Joshua Nightshade
Apr 21st, 2007
I haven’t moved at all. I’ve lived in the same apartment building for over three years now. Eight million people don’t live in our neighborhood Prokofy. Running into you on the street twice isn’t “constantly” reporting on your movements. But then again you think shaking hands with someone out of politeness is attempted murder.
kirpaan
Apr 21st, 2007
Uh oh, think I found a hole in your story, prok. Frans wrote that he an aimee were talkin about your Dracula fucking shit routine from the day before. That was before you even came over to them. So if the first time you did the fucking shit trick was when frans was there, how aimee know what was comin? Was she lookin into the future?
Either you did it to her once before, or she saw what you were about to do in a vision!
Cristiano Midnight
Apr 21st, 2007
My god, Prokofy, you are a piece of work. Every time you are shown to be the psychotic lying bitch that you are, you try to wiggle out of it by saying “oh no, look over there! I didn’t say I didn’t say it, I didn’t say it when I said the original thing”. You know what, choke on that imaginary cock of yours. I am so sick of your ridiculous games – you are not even a decent liar or worthy of responding to. When you are exposed, you just try to divert attention with sheer volume of text or make up some new lie that you think might stick if you repeat it often enough. You are a seriously delusional, twisted windbag with delusions of importance. If you represent the “intelligentsia”, god help us all. You represent the pathologically disturbed.
Cristiano
Joshua Nightshade
Apr 21st, 2007
“FUCK OFF, CRISTIANO, AND IF YOU EVER COME NEAR ME IN REAL LIFE, I WILL CHEERFULLY STRANGLE YOU.”
Heh, Urizenus, sure you want Prokofy on your site making death threats to others?
Cristiano Midnight
Apr 21st, 2007
Prokofy,
Joshua did not move, you did apparently. Based upon the address that comes up by searching for your name and Brooklyn in Google, Joshua lives only a few blocks away from that address. How long have you lived at your current residence?
Cristiano
Ordinal Malaprop
Apr 21st, 2007
Quite seriously: every single one of you, Prokofy, Joshua, Cristiano, “kirpaan”, whoever, basically needs to shut up. Much as it is odd to say it, the Herald is one of the few avenues for unfiltered discussion of events regarding SL these days.
A bit of back-and-forwards wordplay, nobody would argue with that in itself, it livens things up. On the other hand, all of this personalised “oh you did X to Y in NYC” stuff, following on from blog A and forum B, is completely and utterly irrelevant and uninteresting to every single person on the planet apart from perhaps three of them, and disrupts every single bloody thread.
Prokofy Neva
Apr 21st, 2007
>Prokofy,
>Joshua did not move, you did apparently. Based upon the address that comes up by searching for your name and Brooklyn in Google, Joshua lives only a few blocks away from that address. How long have you lived at your current residence?
>Cristiano
Um, why are YOU stalking me now, Cristiano? Geez, that is surely lame. I have no comment on my real life address, where I live, what my moves or non-moves have been in the past 25 years. It’s not your business. Joshua’s claim is false.
Many people have the exact same name as me, as we’ve already long ago established with the first round of Google witch-hunting you enabled to remain on your site for quite a time to harass me. Now you yourself are engaging in such witch-hunting and clawing at privacy. Why am I not surprised?
Christiano, you are deeply insecure, and deeply empty inside as a result. You would think that having mention in Business Week would be enough to make you forego childish pursuits like asking someone on the Internet where their real life house is and whether they moved, and accusing *them* of lying because they refuse to confirm the infantile stalking antics of another person.
Why?
Because your once unchallenged pride of place of Second Life is clipping. That’s sad, indeed. In fact, I even feel generically sad about it, but not sad for you, as you’ve always been an asshole and treated others badly on the forums.
What have you created, designed, *done* lately except whiney podcasts where you and your sixth grade girls’ school mates giggle and laugh at inside jokes?
Come on, Cristiano, straighten up your socks, shuffle more heavily into your light loafers, and do something creative and real for once. Stalking me on the Internet is only a badge of dishonour. It puts you in the club of losers. Could it be that you, yourself, are also a fat cow, Cristiano? If so, take comfort. Many fat cows move on to great glory. Cows for glory, Cristiano!
Joshua Nightshade
Apr 21st, 2007
What have you done EVER, Prokofy?
Whined. That’s what.
Prokofy Neva
Apr 21st, 2007
*your once challenged pride of place is SLIPPING. In fact, I know a half dozen people who make more than you do, with far more volume and velocity of creative content in SL, who should have been on that list, and not you, Cristiano.
Cristiano Midnight
Apr 21st, 2007
Ordinal,
Thanks for your input and scolding, however, none of this would be here if Prokofy yet again had not found a way to attack Aimee unprovoked in the comments of an article that is not even about her. Hell, there is another recent article on here that has over 100 references to her in the comments, and the story was not about her. Prokofy cannot resist blaming all the evils of the world upon her. I will not shut up when Prokofy continues to publish the shit she does on her blog, as well as use the Herald as another attack venue to continue it. If you don’t like it, I’m sorry, but it is not your site to control.
Cristiano
Joshua Nightshade
Apr 21st, 2007
Ordinal, seriously. I didn’t even comment in this article at all until today, and I’m ALL INSIDE IT EVEN WHEN I WASN’T HERE.
Get a grip. Your ability to not see reality is really grating my nerves.
Cristiano Midnight
Apr 21st, 2007
Prokofy,
You can try to divert attention and make up shit about me being insecure – I’m not insecure in the slightest. You continue to state that Joshua was lying, that he could not possibly live by you. So it is fine for you to publicly claim he is lying and a rapist, but anyone who disputes you with evidence is a stalker? It doesn’t work like that, sorry – just in your sad, pathetic world. I could care less where you live – thankfully we are multiple states away. Who said I looked you up anyone – I pointed out that the addresses are near each other – I didn’t say anything about looking them up myself. I tend to like to have facts before I make a claim about something, something you should give a try for once.
As far attacking my looks, good luck with that one. That is your best thing yet. Fat cow has no impact on me lol. It did make me laugh though, thank you.
Cristiano
PS – none of this diverts from the fact that you approached Aimee TWICE in person, you crazy bag lady – something far more menacing than a phone call. I would not want you anywhere near me.
Cristiano Midnight
Apr 21st, 2007
BTW, Ordinal, what is prompting you to read any of this? If you don’t like it, skip over it – this is in the comments of several days old story, it’s not like you are bing forced to read it against your will.
Prokofy Neva
Apr 21st, 2007
>is completely and utterly irrelevant and uninteresting to every single person on the planet apart from perhaps three of them, and disrupts every single bloody thread.
Good point, Ordinal! I’m working on my rebuttals page, in order to be able to respond to things like this in the future with one link, once, so as to avoid distraction and clutter. I really am sick and tired of it myself. Each time I post an article, I can count on these bloodsuckers and leeches to come and attach themselves to me like limpets.
However, on this particular thread, it’s not as off-topic as you imagine. And Cahill himself as reproached me for not “caring more” about an attempt to out his RL, since I’m supposed to be the champion of not doing that, being victimized myself.
Several people have sent dossiers to me purporting to show the link between Aimee Weber and the SLAA. I didn’t report it at the time, it seemed suspect and specious. One person persisted in detailed explanations purporting to show how certain textures had to be the same and showed the Aimee fingerprint. I have no idea if this is true, or how to check it given my limited abilities in PSP etc. I raise it as part of the general discussion. It’s as good a theory as any, that American Apparel, a kind of wierd business to start with, with an eccentric CEO, would do something like hire intelligence officers, or think up a fake guerilla group to help sag the flagging press coverage of them after their first big hit. Good a gimmick as any.
Basically, as odious as you found it, Ordinal, and I sympathize with your concern, the root of the matter here between the story of Cahill and the story of Prokofy Neva is exactly the same, and that’s why I argued it, and that’s why Cristiano argues it. Can you use RL information to attempt to gain conformity and discourage dissent or any other activity in SL? Some think you can.
Cristiano, Aimee, Joshua, and many other fucktards at SC believe that in order to argue against someone’s dissent, to silence them, to punish them, to trump them, it’s ok to go after them in RL, and find out stuff about them, and in Aimee’s case, make allegations about their problems, and even minimize and ridicule griefers against them. Those tactics are “ok” to them because they think they have to fight a greater evil, which is Prokofy.
Why do they go after Prokofy? Because Prokofy makes the profound statement that:
o Linden Lab is not the idealistic, democratic, liberal, generous, hip, happenin’ place everyone imagines, but has a group of favourites and pets and privileged ones they elevate over others — giving the lie to their democratic image. Far from being open and fair, they in fact are believers in a Spartanist merit-based and secret privileging system that operates not by democracy and providing openness for all, but by creating a ladder of incentive and privileging to reward those who are loyal and “contribute”. They consciously groomed a set of pets to go on to greater things, and they believe that method of Sparta, selectivity, favouritism, intense training, secrecy, works better than Athens, which is openness, democracy, creating opportunity for all.
o The entire world of techdom has this strain in it, that open source, which they purport to show as some big Creative Commons and democracy thing, is in fact a closed society into which only certain priests with high abilities and loyalty who “get it” get to be admitted.
I’ve talked with Uri about this a fair amount and he could have probably waged this war more successfully, with better literary and scholarly footnotes, and more credibility — but he didn’t, for whatever reason. Uri chose to remain absolutely uninvolved in the LL forums, it was odd. He chose to focus exclusively on the Herald. It was a good call for him.
His theory is that the tekkies and the geeks are so incensed at my message, which is a valid one, that they’ve tried to find ways to goad me and poke me into a fury and make me spend all my time fighting them off, which only makes me look stupid.
I respond to his theory with a pointed stick of my own: all that is needed for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing. If more people would stand up to these problems of the FIC and LL (which are emblematic of the Metaverse’s problems to come), then it won’t be necessary for one person to take a comic and exaggerated role in doing this. And to the extent that people DO stand up to the Chadricks and the Jeskas and the Torleys of the world, they are abated. But you do have to fight, and fight hard, and fight even crazy hard because there aren’t enough troops.
These two truths, which I hold to be self-evident, make up the core of the FIC and tekkie-wiki theories of Prokofy Neva.
These two truths are anaethema to Cristiano, Aimee, etc. because they have been rewarded in this system, and want it to stay.
Everything else is just permutations of those two themes — I illustrate how they are being feted and how the system is closing to opportunities and becoming blind to others’ creativity — they claim it is not. And on and on.
What they do in this fight is say, “We find those two truths to be so abhorrent, that we will even dredge up RL information and use it to try to shame and harass and intimidate the person we don’t like saying those truths.”
I’ve always found that to be abhorrent. But having exhausted all other remedies, I would have to concede that only that weapon of trying to shame someone about their RL appearance might work. After all, they think it works, and use it on me. It *doesn’t* work on me, but they do successfully bully into tears some of their own using this method.
Now comes the SLAA issue, which may or may not be intertwined with the FIC (I have a hunch it is).
What’s germane and generic to both issues is the concept that RL info can be dredged up and deployed in an SL fight.
Can it?
Well, yes and no. I would weigh on the side of saying “no”.
If I were solidad, I wouldn’t go hounding this person named Cahill. If I suspected the thing was a dodge and fake, I’d leave it and start a real thing. In fact, I’ve been in groups like that in SL before, suspected they were fake and designed to just create targets or manipulate people, and I’ve left them. Then they hollow out and die, as others realize the same thing. That’s what you do with a thing like the SLAA.
But what if what solidad found out was so sinister, so awful, that the public should know?
What if he found out that a large corporation in Second Life, perhaps secretly egged on by Linden Lab, had purchased the services of this Concentric Circles thing in order to deflect possible anti-corporate sentiment in SL?
Wow, that’s Pentagon Papers type of material, and I believe that in that case, IF it were true, that solidad would be proper in bringing this info forward.
We all sure DO need to ask the question: who paid for the SLLA and why? They’ve gotten an awful lot of expert ink, and very sophisticated PR ink, including this Unofficial Guide.
So…what’s up, doc?
I don’t think LL had anything to do with this because I don’t think they’d a) be organized enough to do this or b) be motivated. They have a nice fallback position: “We never help corporations”. Of course they *do* but the mantra they recite works well enough to ward off concerns.
Would the metaversal sherpas — the same ones paying bounties for catching the SLLA be responsible? Sure. They may be interesetd in showing their clients they can ward off evil spirits by using classic Tsarist and Leninist displacement and false-Dmitry techniques to distract and discredit — tactics copied the world over in revolutionary movements of all types.
But again, I think that’s too clever by half for people who are basically trying to just get their mountain of work done. It’s just too much work doing stuff like this.
Could a security firm bent on showing people that it can make fake groups, get media that distracts from real dissent or ensure continued coverage of your corporation in a sympathetic position (“Why those meanies! I don’t like AA t-shirts but gosh, that was MEAN what they did to AA maybe I’ll buy their t-shirts etc.) — could they do this? Yes.
or some combination of the above — or Hamlet does it as an experiment — or something.
Point is, the SLLA is not what it seems. But how far can you go in challenging it?
Prokofy Neva
Apr 21st, 2007
>As far attacking my looks, good luck with that one. That is your best thing yet. Fat cow has no impact on me lol. It did make me laugh though, thank you.
>Cristiano
>PS – none of this diverts from the fact that you approached Aimee TWICE in person, you crazy bag lady – something far more menacing than a phone call. I would not want you anywhere near me.
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Joshua Nightshade
Apr 21st, 2007
Fat cow.
Prokofy Neva
Apr 21st, 2007
>Fat cow.
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Catriona Decatur
Apr 21st, 2007
I still think Keks is hot.
Ian Betteridge
Apr 22nd, 2007
Ordinal: “Much as it is odd to say it, the Herald is one of the few avenues for unfiltered discussion of events regarding SL these days.”
I’d pretty much decided to stop spending precious minutes that I’ll never get back responding to Prokofy, who persists in simply lying about her so-called “enemies” in order to promote her own agenda. But unfortunately, when I read comments like yours about the Herald, I realise that I can’t.
Prokofy’s ludicrous accusations (Aimee Weber behind the SLAA is today’s hot one) have to be opposed here. If SLH is worth reading, then it will attract an audience – an audience who might, because of SLH’s position, take Prokofy’s accusations at face value if they’re not opposed. Throw enough bullshit, and some of it will stick – and Prok is the best thrower of bullshit on the internet.
“Prokofy”: “It’s explained on my blog, champ, and there’s no “hyprokisy” here whatsoever.”
Ah yes – you’re “pushing back against their aggression”. Except that you “push back” in the same way Volkert Van Der Graaf “pushed back” against Pim Fortuyn. You take a perceived slight – almost all of which are non-extent – and use it as justification for vicious and persistent personal attacks.
Aimee offered – as you will no doubt know – to simply cease all comments about you, talking about you in any way, and having anything to do with you. Since then, you have persistently and aggressively attacked her, including your vicious and factually inaccurate “rebuttal”, which – because you know it’s mostly lies – you have closed comments on.
Of course, you’ll no-doubt claim that it doesn’t matter what Aimee says in public, in fact “behind the scenes” she’s pulling the strings of a campaign to destroy you. Which only goes to demonstrate that you are both jealous and paranoid.
Prokofy, I’m going to ask you one last time: please, stop this insanity and start using your talents for something constructive, instead of attacking people.
Ordinal Malaprop
Apr 22nd, 2007
Oh, I’d forgotten all about this. Honestly, you would think I’d have more constructive things to do with my time. Apparently not.
Prokofy Neva
Apr 22nd, 2007
Um, I didn’t say “Aimee is behind the SLLA”. I said people have sent me dossiers claiming this, and I think it’s a valid question to ask, merely because of the sequencing — Aimee makes the AA build, it gets some media hype hits, it languishes, then the SLLA appears and attacks it, and attention is revised, for evermore. Of course, there may be no causal relation, but it surely is worth asking whether the companies being attacked by this entity in fact made it up, as a way to get cool street cred in some fashion. Evidently, Ian, despite being a “scientist” you are unable to mount hypotheses and think them through and entertain variants of explanations. That is the hallmark of an open society. It’s proof of your closed nature that you cannot distinguish between a question and a hypothesis, and some sort of statement of fact, and begin to shrilly bleat like a stuck lamb about something you imagine was stated as fact.
Aimee has done no such thing, as she continues to participate in threads started to mock me, and make comments. My rebuttals are all truths, and the comments are closed simply to prevent an endless run at them by various anonymous fucktards, as they are a resource, not a thread for discussion.
I fail to see why it is “jealous” and “paranoid” to ask an underwear seamstress and sometimes builder in Second Life to stop making false claims that I incite violence or make death threats. It’s ridiculous, and she knows it, and it’s evidently part of a syndrome for her.
Ian, when was the last time you refreshed your blog and wrote anything or made any contributions? I make them constantly. I will not stop rebutting these sorts of lies. I do hope to consolidate it into one big mega thread soon, however.
Joshua Nightshade
Apr 23rd, 2007
Aimee has offered both you and Coco twice a public and transparent “cease-fire” and you and Coco both continue to harass her. Aimee hasn’t posted in any threads mocking you at all since making said offer, because she’s quite rightly terrified for her life after you and Coco psychotically, insanely and frighteningly stalked her and attacked her in real life. Aimee hardly posts anywhere anymore because she’s frightened of you and Coco. You’re a liar to claim otherwise.
Aimee has still managed, despite the considerable fear she has for you after demonstrating that you have no grip on sanity in person, to be a bigger soul than you and offer a “truce.” In response to that you continue to attack, lie, lie, attack, threaten, lie, insult, harass, lie — did I mention lie?
Ian, Prokofy has no talents. She can’t even start drama effectively.
Cocoanut Koala
Apr 23rd, 2007
I am not harassing anyone. And anyone who knows me knows that.
Your characterization of me isn’t helping your case, as it is absurd.
coco
Joshua Nightshade
Apr 23rd, 2007
To make this point even clearer, one only has to read through Aimee Weber’s posts on Second Citizen to see she hasn’t, in fact, talked about Prokofy at all in weeks, since offering said truce to Prok and Coco.
You have to read back 75 posts to find a single thread about Prokofy that she’s posted in– except wait! She’s responding to other people, none of whom are making comments about Prokofy. So while, yes, she’s posting in a “Prok thread,” the thread in question was started by a new reader to SC who was wondering who Prokofy is. Not a thread intended to make fun of Prok. And Aimee’s involvement in said thread isn’t even about Prokofy either.
So again, more lies.
Joshua Nightshade
Apr 23rd, 2007
“I am not harassing anyone. And anyone who knows me knows that.
Your characterization of me isn’t helping your case, as it is absurd.”
Your obsessive and misdirected “alcoholism dossier” was harassment. And incorrect. Your refusal to acknowledge and apologize isn’t helping your case, and it is absurd.
Prokofy Neva
Apr 23rd, 2007
>Aimee hasn’t posted in any threads mocking you at all since making said offer, because she’s quite rightly terrified for her life after you and Coco psychotically, insanely and frighteningly stalked her and attacked her in real life. Aimee hardly posts anywhere anymore because she’s frightened of you and Coco. You’re a liar to claim otherwise.
>Aimee has still managed, despite the considerable fear she has for you after demonstrating that you have no grip on sanity in person, to be a bigger soul than you and offer a “truce.” In response to that you continue to attack, lie, lie, attack, threaten, lie, insult, harass, lie — did I mention lie?
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Joshua Nightshade
Apr 23rd, 2007
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Exactly; you were cornered and caught lying, again; I didn’t expect you to respond with anything but crap.
Here’s my RL number: 1-900-LOL-PWND.
Cocoanut Koala
Apr 23rd, 2007
Damned if I would ever even THINK of “apologizing” for collecting those quotes. What a ludicrous notion.
Aimee has been talking about taking Prok to court for over a year now, and one of the things she talked about using was the drinking issue.
I compiled a list of posts she herself made about she herself drinking, and gave it to Prok for him to use in case of a lawsuit.
It was defensive. Not something I decided to do for no reason. Somehow you and others have the idea that you can be as harassing and aggressive as you like, for as long as you like, and no one will ever dare to even mount a defense or call you on any of it.
Well, that isn’t the case. Other people have rights, too. If people want to constantly throw out threats of a lawsuit, other people just may decide to gather evidence to counter it.
coco
Joshua Nightshade
Apr 23rd, 2007
Again, Aimee has NEVER said she was going to take Prokofy to court.
Why you continue to lie about this is completely beyond me.
Find a post where she threatened to sue Prokofy. Saying that someone’s actions are libel isn’t threatening to sue someone. It’s pointing out the obvious.
As a defense, it failed. It was absurd. It was ridiculous. Prokofy accused Aimee of being an alcoholic. Your “defense” was to find a bunch of humorous quotes that had the word “alcohol” in them. Uh…. yeah? That’s TOTAL proof that Aimee’s a drunk. Except no.
So again. If Aimee’s been threatening to sue Prokofy for a year now, surely there’s ample posts you can provide with that threat. Get to it, since you love to troll Aimee’s posts so much. Back your claim up.
Hopefully you can do a better job with this than you did with failing to provide proof of where Jenn and Flip banned Prokofy from the SLCC.
Prokofy Neva
Apr 23rd, 2007
>Find a post where she threatened to sue Prokofy. Saying that someone’s actions are libel isn’t threatening to sue someone. It’s pointing out the obvious.
>As a defense, it failed. It was absurd. It was ridiculous. Prokofy accused Aimee of being an alcoholic. Your “defense” was to find a bunch of humorous quotes that had the word “alcohol” in them. Uh…. yeah? That’s TOTAL proof that Aimee’s a drunk. Except no.
>So again. If Aimee’s been threatening to sue Prokofy for a year now, surely there’s ample posts you can provide with that threat. Get to it, since you love to troll Aimee’s posts so much. Back your claim up.
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