Are Furries Doomed?
by Pixeleen Mistral on 21/07/07 at 1:28 pm
Fallout from enforcing bans on “Broadly Offensive” behavior may threaten furry avatars
by Cinnamon Twist, spicy reporter
Can furries yiff without being offensive?
Great Britain had many rules on the books for many years that it didn’t enforce in the American colonies. They were there, sure, but they were largely ignored. When Britain started to enforce rules in order to make the colonies more profitable, the colonists rebelled. Is this the fate of Second Life’s residents with regard to the notorious “broadly offensive” clause in the TOS?
In a recent article by the Herald’s award winning syndicated advice columnist Heartun Breaker, a reader asked Where do I find animals in Second Life who want to play animals… and play with me as I am?
The answer brings us to a string of even more interesting questions – some not which could be not safe for work.
Where do I find animals in Second Life who want to play animals… and play with me as I am?
The answer to that is, of course, everywhere one looks in Second Life. As the Lindens look to clean up the “broadly offensive” behavior that has been allowed to grow and develop unchecked since 2003, one of the many questions that will surely be raised involves the line between Furries and bestiality.
mounting evidence of virtual bestiality?
Most Furries in Second Life have adopted the classic “anthropomorphic” animal, like a cartoon animal. The Lindens even offer such an avatar as one of the basic shapes you can choose when you are born in Second Life. If one uses such an avatar, and one has sexual congress with another avatar, either human or furry, is that bestiality?
straw poll indicates some SL players will cross species boundaries
More to the point of the original question posed, what if someone looks for an avatar that looks less like a cartoon and more like a real animal? With some shopping, one can find avatars that will turn one into an anatomically correct dog or horse. Having sex with one of these creatures for real in many US states and foreign countries is a crime. Certainly many people find the idea of coupling with a dog or horse to be offensive. Will these avatars soon be banned? Can we logically assume that if the realistic animal costumes are banned then a case can be made to ban all furries in order to avoid the “gray area” that would ensue should the Lindens choose to ban “realistic” animal avatars?
In many shops, people are able to buy animal props, with poses and animations, that allow them to simulate sex with dogs and horses. These “animals,” though they look realistic enough, are merely sexual props; no more real than a ‘dildo’ or a sexual pose ball. Having sex with animals, or appearing to have sex with animals, however, is far more offensive than using traditional sex toys, so do they need to be banned? If so, how do we differentiate them from the other sex toys?
Where will the community draw the line with regard to “broadly offensive”? Will dildos, sexgen beds and Furries soon be a thing of the past?
Jonathan Hughes
Oct 19th, 2008
You say mistreatment? Let the tables be turned and have the four legged animal’s used the scalpel on you. Who would be saying mistreatment about whom then? You hypocrite. I know you would be crying foul if they asked you to be neutered or spayed. It would be just like a story I heard about a person who was criticizing a person because they did not want to go to war. The other person said that he was not being patriotic but when the criticizer was given notice that he was to be drafted and go to Vietnam. He began to cry like a baby. This is what you would do if the tables were turned.
The furrys and zoosexuals and good beastialists have a better way. When used on a bigger scale can have even greater benefits. There for let it be made legal for all.
Yes Sl; I understand it is not the sex that is bad but the attitude of the person engaging in the activity. A bad attitude is what causes bad bestiality.
Yes I know Reysqared, Ignorance’s abounds, and it is evidenced by what people say in hatred. It shows confusion between what is and what is not bad, and it shows blind hatred for someone who is different. This blind hatred can end in the hurt of another.
How dare say anyone say that we all hate, for not all want to hurt another human or four legged animal.
What Dahey; bigots have to realize they are bigots and change. You are right, the word Freedom that we are said to have is an illusion. To have true freedom one could walk around naked if they wanted to, and not be attacked by someone.
Your eyes are open to what the truth really is,
But please let us not be as bad as the bigots in wanting them harm. Let us be better than they are, for indeed we are better than they are in this regard, because we have a spirit with in us that the bigots don’t have.
Bigots allow all kinds of violence on TV and movies, yet hide genitilia from every conceivable place of view. On animal toys statues every thing that is made three dimensional and on two dimensional plain like paper as to make humans subconsciously think that the showing of Genitilia is worse that killing, deception, revenge, innocent death from war, you get the picture,
Or someone is giving a dog sex male or female when they asked for it. Come on people, the things that you are rejecting are not on the same level as the things that we are accepting. There is only one being that would be against the nudity and sex, can you guess? I will help you, Satan would glorify in the things that we allow to show on TV, in the movies. He would be glad to have people view things around them as being“its” being niter male or female because it is God that made male and female. Wake up Bigots to whom you are really worshiping. For God would never glory in those things.
Hazimgazovx; In Gods eyes of what you do in the killing of the animals in this war craft is murder, because it desensitizes you to respect life.
Lewis Nerd; what do you have against Gays anyway? Do you feel you have the need to feed the dark spirit of hate in your heart? All you have to do Is to resist this darkness and it will flee from you.
Second lulz vigilante; If I could have the sex organs of a dog I would be there with bells on and so would you. Imagine the possibility of ejaculating for half an hour.This would be any human male and female ultimate fantasy come true.
Can furrys yiff without being offensive? I think the ones who are offended by furry sex and anatomically correct what ever should get a life that they enjoy and leave the furrys zoosexuals good beastialists and Gays alone to enjoy their chosen life. Remember the phrase. Do unto others what you wound want others to do unto you. Don’t play the
Hypocrite
Jonathan Hughes
Oct 20th, 2008
You say mistreatment? Let the tables be turned and have the four legged animals used the scalpel on you. Who would be saying mistreatment about whom then? You hypocrite. I know you would be crying foul if they asked you to be neutered or spayed. It would be just like a story I heard about a person who was criticizing a person because they did not want to go to war. The other person said that he was not being patriotic but when the criticizer was given notice that he was to be drafted and go to Vietnam, He began to cry like a baby. This is what you would do if the tables were turned.
The furrys and zoosexuals and good beastialists have a better way. When used on a bigger scale can have even greater benefits. Therefor let it be made legal for all.
Yes Sl; I understand it is not the sex that is bad but the attitude of the person engaging in the activity. A bad attitude is what causes bad bestiality.
Yes I know Reysqared, ignorance abounds, and it is evidenced by what people say in hatred. It shows confusion between what is and what is not bad, and it shows blind hatred for someone who is different. This blind hatred can end in the hurt of another.
How dare anyone say that we all hate, for not all want to hurt another human or four legged animal.
What Dahey; bigots have to realize they are bigots and change. You are right, the word Freedom that we are said to have is an illusion. To have true freedom one could walk around naked if they wanted to, and not be attacked by someone. Your eyes are open to what the truth really is.
But please let us not be as bad as the bigots in wanting them harm. Let us be better than they are, for indeed we are better than they are in this regard, because we have a spirit with in us that the bigots don’t have.
Religious Bigots allow all kinds of violence on TV and movies, yet hide genitilia from every conceivable place of view on animal toys, statues, every thing that is made three dimensional and on two dimensional planes like paper as to make humans subconsciously think that the showing of Genitilia. Or someone who was giving a dog sex male or female when they asked for it. Come on people, the things that you are rejecting are not on the same level as the things that we are accepting, Are the acts of sex and nudity worse than killing, deception, horrific violence, revenge, and innocent death from war, you get the picture.
There is only one being that would be against the nudity and sex, can you guess? I will help you, Satan would glorify in the things that we allow to show on TV, in the movies. He would be glad to have people view things around them as being“its” being niter male or female because it is God that made male and female. Wake up Bigots to whom you are really worshiping. For God would never glory in those things we allow on TV and the movies.
Lewis Nerd; what do you have against Gays anyway? Do you feel you have the need to feed the dark spirit of hate in your heart? All you have to do Is to resist this darkness and it will flee from you.
Second lulz vigilante; If I could have the sex organs of a dog I would be there with bells on and so would you. Imagine the possibility of ejaculating for half an hour. This would be any human male and female ultimate fantasy come true.
Can furrys yiff without being offensive? I think the ones who are offended by furry sex and anatomically correct what ever should get a life that they enjoy and leave the furrys, zoosexuals, good beastialists, and Gays alone to enjoy their chosen life. Remember the phrase. Do unto others what you wound want others to do unto you. Don’t play the Hypocrite.
P. Mahoney
Jan 6th, 2009
…I personally have no quarrels with the avatar stuff. I believe that beastiality is wrong inherently, simply because it involves (more often than not) animal abuse.
Furries are a touchy subject. I know quite a few furries who actually have no intention of crossing the line between the avatar (furry cartoons, etc) and beastiality… further, these people find sexiness in the “furry” moreso than actual thought of beastiality. How? Well there are a number of answers for that, none of which would appear in anything less than a psych journal.
One thing I do have to say. Insulting furries by calling them fur “fags” is personally insulting to me. I’m bisexual. Your rhetoric implies that you’re the kind of people who all object to any alternative lifestyle in general. Fag? meaning faggot? Well hello, I didn’t think we lived in the (60’s 70’s 80′ even 90’s). It’s 2009. Wake up. Save your biggotry for a generation that cares.
Spadesrun Hotshot
Jan 20th, 2009
Look, the issue is irrelevant as far as I’m concerned. What people choose to do behind closed doors are behind closed doors for specific reason. They don’t care to hear everyones opinion.
Drama, that chases people away from SL. People come on sl to have fun. Furry, Tiny, Gay/Lesbian, slavery, sex orgies. There are many things here that might be illegal to do in real life. I for one am of the opinion that everyone is intitled to do what they wish so long as they take resonable efforts to not offend others.
If they have sex with animals on their own land inside a building or away from public view …. let them. That’s why we have a maturity option. But running around a public mall as a naked human avi with an animal hanging a boner …… that would be publicy offensive.
The bottom line is that whether they are playing animals, or gay/ lesbian or slaves, in truth they are humans consenting to the behavior and no one is forced to do anything against their will. Nor is anyone getting hurt unless you want to discuss people hurting each other in emotionally based relationships. But that is not a given in any of these relationships.
If you find it offensive …. don’t watch! Don’t participate. Don’t associate.
exits soap box stage left ………..
A friendly face.
Feb 11th, 2009
Woohoo, another revival!
To any and all haters, I’d like to kindly remind you that technically speaking, we’re animals. Humans are…you guessed it, mammals! We exhibit the exact same animal characteristics that, hey, dogs do! We have the need for survival…yeah, take that in.
We eat, we drink, we sleep, we keep ourselves warm, we find shelter so that we can survive cold months or natural disasters. I think these are things that most mammals try to do.
Oh, and we reproduce.
And on the /very/ old comment that animals are about being dominant when it comes to sex…well, have you LOOKED at humans lately? How many people have rape fantasies, how many times have people been strapped up and WHIPPED because they got off on it? And yet, no one has ANY problem with a girl being basically tortured, so long as she consents to it.
You’re so sexually repressed that you can’t accept that someone likes something different? Hell, how many hentai pictures are out on the net that depict girls having sex under the age of 12? How many pictures are there of women tieing up a man and putting a full on mask on him that has no eye holes and zips up completely in the front? And then said woman steps on the mans genitals while wearing high-heeled stilettos?
You complain about “animal cruelty.” That’s a load of bull. Animal cruelty rages through the world every day. We slaughter chickens and pigs, cause we’re hungry. We kill flies and mosquitoes, cause they’re pests. We kill deer and quail, cause it’s fun. And hell, we kill people. Cause they’re pests. AND it’s fun. (I like to quote the late George Carlin; Ignorant people should really look him up sometime.) Show me someone who is viciously attacking a dog and I’ll agree it’s animal cruelty but otherwise, shut up. Oh, and by the way…a few of you animal cruelty idiots should think of this: We castrate animals. We like to use “nice” words; “neuter” and “spay”. But it’s the same thing. It’s the exact same thing as if you took a guy and chopped his penis and balls off. It’s the same thing as (Hey, this actually happened!) girls having their clitoris’ forcibly removed so that they won’t experience sexual pleasure and cheat on their husbands!
Humans do more damage to themselves than any other species on this planet. We seem to think that we’re so much better than everything else, and why? Because we can communicate with each other? News flash, ALL animals can do that.
Because we’ve made things out of steel? What’s so grand about that? All we’re doing is helping to speed up killing the planet. But that’s a different subject. Back to animals.
We think we’re so hot because we can kill predators to survive? Y’know, ancient man had a way of surviving too…he hid. Until he developed the club. Then he viciously beat any animal that might wanna eat him to live. And he beat on helpless animals until THEY died…so he could eat. And sometimes he still didn’t live. Then he developed the more hardcore weapons…guns. That’s right. If we’re bitching about people liking being furries, why don’t we bitch about Johnny Everyman down the street who’s bragging about that new moosehead on his wall?
People like what they like. Get over it. Ignorance, despite popular belief, is NOT bliss. You wanna live in the “Golden Era”? Move to America; We’re heading there again right fast. Sexual repression will run rampant, and all you people who’ve never done anything more than Missionary will be happy again.
Y’know that one sexual position, Doggy Style? I wonder why they call it that…
Take a step away from being an ignorant jackass long enough to have an intelligent thought.
I’m sure this revival will bring the usual onslaught of trolls who go “lulzfurfag” and so I’ll stomp you assholes out right now by saying I’m not, nor have I ever been, a furry or interested in BEING a furry, NOR have I ever been gay. Now, I’m sure you all enjoy bashing everyone else because you need to vent all your unsaid feelings from when your priest felt you up, but shut up. You say you can laugh at yourselves? Take a look at yourselves then. You’re picking on people for a lifestyle choice…that’s like saying John Madden is an idiot because he’s a football announcer. Or saying Dane Cook isn’t funny because three of his little routines are almost similar to another comedian’s work. Just as pointless, just as stupid, and just as useless a comment that’s ever been said.
Of course, I bet most of the haters won’t read this because it’s not in chatspeak, dissing everyone and everything like they do. But anyone with half a mind should be able to grasp the logical side of this.
Everything that is alive is an animal.
We are animals.
Therefore, there really is no such thing as “beastiality.” Just sex. Inter-species sex, to be sure. But sex nonetheless. And honestly. If you don’t like it, no one is sitting behind your computer chair with a knife to your throat forcing you to look at all the yiffing you supposedly hate so much. And if you think there is, or you just CAN’T manage to stop looking at all this stuff you hate, get yourself checked out. Preferably at an insane asylum.
VMan
Apr 18th, 2009
Let’s get one thing straight “Friendly” Face. I don’t hate furries or anyone with a harmless PRIVATE sexual fetish or preference. I disagree with them, sure, but the ones I can’t stand are arrogant self-aggrandizing assumptive pigs JUST LIKE YOU…and unlike you I’m not going to use these insults as a substitute for my argument. (Seriously, condemning your opponents as ‘ignorant’ is inexcusable)
You assume any opponents reading this to be fine with any sexual depiction. No, not me, I find any sexual depiction of children unacceptable for the same reason I disapprove of bestiality and the same reason they’re outlawed in many countries. The participants are not competent and the act, nay, the very concept is harmful to people and society.
Do you get it yet? Animals are not competent because their brains are not developed. I will make a point that humans are indeed superior to and have merit to control every other species on the planet. Why? S E N T I E N C E. We fully developed our brains and became self-aware first; we dominated and inherited the Earth, WE WON. Now if the other animals want to enjoy the benefits that human ingenuity has produced like shelter or nutrient-enriched food, they have to give back with their milk or their wool, or their heads if we’re hungry. They don’t speak up for themselves or rebel, they just blindly follow the path we’ve carved for them. They don’t question because their brains are too underdeveloped for cognition, they’re just too stupid. Just. Too. Stupid.
Ever hear of a lemur landing on the moon? How about a sloth bear achieving mach speed? What was the last chicken you heard of that developed cures for deadly diseases? Sure, animals have been useful to test and derive these cures and to keep us warm and fed…but it’s not like they for a moment thought of anything other than their next mealtime.
Something else I must stress is that furry is NOT A LIFESTYLE. It is a private sexual fetish. ‘Course, it’s becoming less and less private every day but that’s beside the point. There are other fetishists out there but they don’t develop a self-proclaimed subculture and cry persecution when someone disagrees with them. There are no tentacle cons. There is no such thing as BDSM pride. The furries who act this way bring ridicule upon themselves. A sexual fetish is NOT a lifestyle and it is NOT something to be proud of.
Oh, and I’m absolutely delighted that you made that “Everything that is alive is an animal” crack. This displays your own ignorance and serves to discredit you, (and unlike you I have tangible evidence to justify this accusation) ‘cause guess what? PLANTS are alive. So are bacteria. So are insects. QED. Also, not all animals can communicate. Higher life forms have developed simple signals and other communication methods, but none have developed it as fully-fledged and complex as humans. Some animals can’t communicate at all.
Just for clarity, bestiality is defined as sexual intercourse between a human and a different animal…so it does exist, and I think it to be wrong for my reasons previously stated. If people want to get off to depictions of anthropomorphic animals I won’t stop them…but there is a thin line between that and bestiality. If they’re looking at fantasy cartoons, fine. If a real animal is depicted, arrest them. Bestiality is *nearly* as bad as pedophilia in my book because it follows the same principle.
If you respond to this, I must insist that you refrain from any unjustified derogatory terms and assumptions. Thank you.
BernieD
May 19th, 2009
It maybe a VIRTUAL world.
But it Still has REAL world connections..
Its Populated by REAL People. Living Virtual lives.
If its Wrong to do something in reality.
Why is it ok to do it in a Virtual Reality..??
And where do you draw the line..??
Allready Snuff has reared its Ugly head.
And child avatars being involved in Sexy Photo shoots.
Dont say it doesnt happen. Bc it does.
You Wouldnt tollerate it in real life. But here you will.
I for one dont want the boundaries being pushed further and further till they get to the point where ANYTHING is allowed.
This is MY Virtual life too.
And i dont want it poisoning by sickos and perverts.
Maz
Aug 4th, 2009
well lets see hmmm though in sl we choose who we are cause we may not in real life shouldn’t depict whether or not we would have sex with animals in rl or if it is considered bestiality, i am in second life what is considered a HYBRID the cross between a human and an animal however i would not have sex with an animal just because i like this look in second life it depicts my personality not my sexual preferences i suppose next you wont allow neko’s vampires werewolves elves, or robots due to the fact that it is not a human species come on you motherfuckers stop fucking up our happy little world we escape to cause real life sucks and we just want to have fun what next your going to ban same sex marriage on sl too. O.o point given ITS A FUCKING GAME….. yes you can make real money off of it yes you can have sex on it but it doesnt make it in any point a reality that is why there are many species on sl cause its a fantasy game. you wanna talk about banning shit then ban teens from it get rid of this dumb ass idea of merging the teen and adult grid cause its going to fail you are still going to get teens going into adult areas cause they are going to find mommy and daddy’s drivers license and register themselves fucking duh it happens now do you have any idea how many reports i send in a day reporting teens in my adult club how many bans and ejections i do from my land you want to enforce something enforce something more intelligent stop wasting your time with bs like ooh they have fur you cant have sex on second life or all furry,neko avatars are to be gotten rid of WTF get a life leave ours alone i love the fact im a human avi with a fox head hands and tail cause it looks cool it distinguishes my personality which is what its about finding you making yourself different not about oh they have virtual animal sex cause no its not the case its a human “role playing an animal” thats like putting on a Halloween costume and having sex
Minareth Irata
Oct 1st, 2009
I sure hope Linden Labs is ready to take some major financial damage if they ban all furries, even heard they plan to ban nekos and anything else non-human as well. Would be absurd, and it might mean their downfall, as a lot of the community chooses not be human, and a lot are furry, but there are also furries who are just furry for the sake of being furry, like the folks in Luskwood for example. I’m kinda curious how Linden Labs is going to deal with this, but I bet it won’t be pretty.
Ronnie Alvarez
Oct 3rd, 2009
These creatures are ambition to mankind and they are not like we’re remember that , each an other child is drawing, watching, playing, or dresses as a furry …FORGODSAKESPLEASESTOPTHISONCEANDFORALL!
SLuserChaos
Jan 14th, 2010
yeah… um… how do i put this… oh yeah… anyone who takes the appearance of what happens when your mom blows a dog is considered a… bitch!
Cake
Feb 24th, 2010
Christ… more stupid internet users gone trolling.
Sometimes i wonder if anyone reads these articles to not be offended?
A Lie
Feb 24th, 2010
You do know that this post is nearing its 3rd birthday, right? Jesus, don’t you have other things to do than find posts from the stone ages to bump?