Intlibber: “I am sure Tizzers is in on it and works for the prof”

by prokofy on 10/07/07 at 5:55 am

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By Prokofy Neva

The story of Woodbury University — “Griefer U” — is now in the real-life Chronicle of Higher Education. You need a subscription to read the article (the link is just to the blog) — it’s one of those old-media proprietary establishments that needs a paid pass or sub, because the journalists and editors work for actual money, and advertisers help pay their bills — all strange concepts for the hacksters and script-kiddies of Second Life. Mark Wallace’s “guilt-by-association” meme is reproduced in the CHE — to the effect that the Woodbury U involves suppression of academic freedom and due process for property owners and failure to punish “the true digital criminals”. And Sean Fitzgerald, an Australian technology consultant, weighs in with his view that LL acted appropriately.

In any event, Woodbury U is emblematic of what’s wrong with Second Life — it’s just that the different factions left right, north, south, furry, norm, sandbox, settler can’t agree just what about the drama *is* wrong. Is it wrong because of “guilt by association” and “collective responsibility” and Lindens’ ostensibly heinous seizure of land without due process, nominally “for the good of the community” — a curious collectivized concept without legitimacy? Or is it wrong because griefers who are serial gridcrashers and determined conspiracists were able to infiltrate a goofy experimental college project whose designers should have been taken on faith as innocent? Or were the Woodbury U folks in on it all along? (That’s my theory).

Whatever the case, efforts even to ask questions about what really happened lead to outrageous attempts to silence reporters, from demonstrations calling for firing of journalists (such friends of free expression, eh?) to gridcrashing while goons and geeks with plausible deniability hover over the sim letting others with throw-away alt accounts pull the grid-crashing script triggers. So what else is new to say about it?

I’m waiting — as others are — to get answers to some of the basic questions like: Where is Dr. Clift’s supervisor? Are the board members apprised of this awful publicity generated by these scandals? Did Tizzers really get fired from her RL job — or was it really only an SL job (she still keeps the title on her avatar)? How come when you type in the course number and name of “Virtual Worlds” which was given here on the Herald comments, you are first guided to another course number, and then when you press on that, taken to a dead link? There is no such course — and indeed the School of Digital Arts in the Communications Department seems to be…not really started yet. So the mysterious commentor below who said essentially that the project was begun merely to impress the board, then let go astray and got purloined by PNs, but isn’t a conspiracy, begins to sound credible.

Why is it that I go on and on about a conspiracy? Well, because of all the many conversations I have had for months with Intlibber Brautigan, in April and May in which he made a remarkable trajectory. Now it can be told! First, he claimed that The Occurence at Woodbury was some kind of “social science experiment” about griefing (!), telling Random Unsung that the PNs funded the Woodbury sim (!), confiding that Tizzers Foxchase had invited the b/tards to make a base at Woodbury (!), and was spouting a cover story about Japanese iamges (hmm…sound familiar?)…then explaining that he had infiltrated Woodbury with his security people — and finally bragging that he had the Lindens doing his bidding getting them banned, then joining them and deciding my method of dealing with griefers — banning and putting names in a local police log for people to decide to include on their own parcel bans or not — was stupid.

But let the logs speak for themselves. Truly, these logs tell an amazing story, when read, and juxtaposed with all the subsequent claims and spins of Intlibber and the BNT gang. When you can’t get the comments to bring out the truth, Uri, go to the chatlogs. Here Random Unsung, Aging Hippie and erstwhile Night Manager at Ravenglass Rentals provides some insight:

2007-04-14 17:38:07

[14:24] Random Unsung: Hi, this “saturday attack” is probably a hoax just to tie people up in knots and distract them
[14:25] IntLibber Brautigan: No its not
[14:25] Random Unsung: I had Takit Leavitt attack the other day with huge plywood cubes and some other nasty goatse attack on a sim they always hit, but nothing else, not today
[14:25] Random Unsung: well have you seen any attacks yet?
[14:25] IntLibber Brautigan: thats because LL raided their bases yesterday
[14:25] IntLibber Brautigan: they HDD banned a bunch of them
[14:25] Random Unsung: yes Lindens told me today that they had gone to examine their objects
[14:26] IntLibber Brautigan: LL has also deleted a lot of weaponry off the asset servers
[14:26] Random Unsung: why has it taken so long to ban them
[14:26] IntLibber Brautigan: cause they wanted to nail them just before their big attack
[14:26] Random Unsung: well I couldn’t confirm that
[14:26] Random Unsung: I asked just that quesiton, knowing that the Lindens never met a script they didn’t like
[14:26] IntLibber Brautigan: PN was funding the Woodbury University sim
[14:26] Random Unsung: did they say that to you?
[14:26] IntLibber Brautigan: here’s some info for you
[14:26] Random Unsung: yes I had that news
[14:26] Random Unsung: that they were pretending to go legit and do emergency preparedness stuff
[14:28] IntLibber Brautigan: PN was also squatting the Paperboy & Co sim, whose owner seems to be quite absent
[14:28] Random Unsung: Hazim Gazov is still active constantly, LL never does a thing
[14:29] Random Unsung: which sim are “their bases” on? Are they still in Baku?
[14:30] Random Unsung: that’s where they always send me uninvited teleport requests
[14:30] IntLibber Brautigan: PN has not been in Baku
[14:30] IntLibber Brautigan: w-hat refused to work with them
[14:30] IntLibber Brautigan: /b/ in turn griefed baku and got banned
[14:30] Random Unsung: Hazim Gazov seems related to them, and he/she is always sending tp requests from Baku
[14:31] IntLibber Brautigan: Hazim is playing an interesting role.
[14:31] Random Unsung: You are so naive if you buy this crap that “W-hat refused to work with them” when they are the recruiters, aiders, abetters, substrate of the entire thing
[14:31] Random Unsung: um, well, don’t become so fascinated with the interesting role that you lose sight of the fact that these people cause business losses
[14:31] Random Unsung: I had Hazim leave a lovely texture on my voter machine that said “NEWBIE MURDERER” or some idiocy like that
[14:32] Random Unsung: because I was taking a poll about people’s attitude toward the unverified, in order to demonstrate that in facdt most people don’t have a problem with them
[14:32] Random Unsung: so she’s just plain stupid
[14:32] Random Unsung: for all her “interesting” qualities *cough*
[14:32] Random Unsung: Seriously IntLibber, I’ve been dealing with these people for 3 years. They play many manipulative games, as you well know.
[14:32] Random Unsung: And the chief one they play is the concept that one of them is “reforming” or “not working with others” or “taking them legit”
[14:32] Random Unsung: it’s all FAKE
[14:33] IntLibber Brautigan: Actually Hazim left a sign that said something like “Lets just murder the homeless”
[14:33] IntLibber Brautigan: it was a Swiftian comment
[14:34] Random Unsung: Um, you seem very well informed on Hazim’s activities, do you back them?
[14:34] Random Unsung: and it’s stupid, because i have regularly posted about the meaning of this voter, which proves my SUPPORT of the unverified with the facts of people’s attitude
[14:35] Random Unsung: it’s not about murdering the homeless
[14:35] IntLibber Brautigan: I don’t back them
[14:35] Random Unsung: and I really do have to WONDER how you know WHAT is on the griefing sign on MY FUCKING LAND
[14:35] Random Unsung: hello?
[14:35] IntLibber Brautigan: I’ve been making a point of educating myself about them
[14:35] IntLibber Brautigan: Hazim send me a picture
[14:35] Random Unsung: uh=uh
[14:35] Random Unsung: um, I do want to remind you that things like that scare away business, and cause actual US dollar losses
[14:35] IntLibber Brautigan: yes they do
[14:36] Random Unsung: so whiile I realize you are “fascinated’ with the ” itneresting” and think you are oh=so-intellectual for sussing them out, it’s crap
[14:36] Random Unsung: total crap
[14:36] Random Unsung: they are manipulative fucks
[14:36] Random Unsung: they will get you
[14:36] Random Unsung: indeed, they already have gotten you if you can’t grasp the essence of the communist Big Lie that lies back of this Leninst group

2007-04-22 03:01:48
[23:00] IntLibber Brautigan: (Saved Sun Apr 22 01:33:39 2007) random, you on?
[23:01] Random Unsung: hello?
[23:02] IntLibber Brautigan: [22:30] IntLibber Brautigan: [21:44] Tizzers Foxchase: How do I contact the Lindens in the game? [21:44] Entjemyma Panacek: best not to [21:44] Tizzers Foxchase: Explain. [21:44] Entjemyma Panacek: well were a terrorist group [21:44] Tizzers Foxchase: No, we are not. [21:44] Entjemyma Panacek: and have a base down there [21:45] Lobo Kong: IM Heretic Linden, I hear she is online [21:45] Entjemyma Panacek: yes we are [22:30] IntLibber Brautigan: [21:55] Tizzers Foxchase: I’m going to say it right now, if anybody in this group admits to griefing I WILL KICK YOU OUT. The University does not condone these actions and will not be held responsible for them. [21:56] Tizzers Foxchase: Honestly, I could care less what you do on your alts.
[23:02] IntLibber Brautigan is typing…
[23:02] IntLibber Brautigan: Tizzers Foxchase runs the Woodbury University sim
[23:02] IntLibber Brautigan: she works for the RL univ
[23:03] Random Unsung: Hmm, so you think it’s just infiltrated? or what?
[23:03] IntLibber Brautigan: no they have had a big base there for a while
[23:04] IntLibber Brautigan: we got their sim seized during the attacks last weekend
[23:04] IntLibber Brautigan: they used their academic credentials to get the sim back
[23:04] Random Unsung: well but if they say they will not condone it, but then say they “could care less” about alts, it’s odd
[23:04] IntLibber Brautigan: they are doing a social science experiment
[23:04] Random Unsung: well what the hell is up?
[23:04] Random Unsung: well that’s just great, that only encourages and validates griefing
[23:04] IntLibber Brautigan: the PN is a social science experiment in terrorism
[23:04] IntLibber Brautigan: and we are the guinea pigs
[23:04] Random Unsung: Well, I am not exactly buying that
[23:05] IntLibber Brautigan: unauthorized unethical human experimentation
[23:05] Random Unsung: I think the PN is organized of its own, and these Woodbury people have seized on them
[23:05] Random Unsung: and made a deal with them
[23:05] IntLibber Brautigan: the professor MC Fizgig
[23:05] IntLibber Brautigan: I have him in a PN outfit
[23:05] Random Unsung: and yes, that’s really sick, and the Lindens used to have very strict codes for governing experimentation
[23:05] Random Unsung: but they’ve thrown it out the window
[23:05] Random Unsung: after the marketing people came in
[23:05] IntLibber Brautigan: I have a nice pic for you to put in the herald
[23:05] Random Unsung: now there’s just a sort of blank where their essay used to be on this in the Knowledge Base
[23:06] Random Unsung: You know, I haven’t been following everything about the Woodbury stuff, when did it start?
[23:06] IntLibber Brautigan: I only found out about it two days before the big raid
[23:06] IntLibber Brautigan: JLU has been infiltrating them for longer
[23:07] IntLibber Brautigan: I have a chatlog of Tizzers specifically inviting the /b/tards to build a base
[23:07] Random Unsung: can you send the screenshot to dyerbrookME@juno.com because recopying out of SL only works to make those tga files that don’t upload well
[23:07] IntLibber Brautigan: okay
[23:08] IntLibber Brautigan: now that they have the sim back, they are rebuilding the base
[23:08] IntLibber Brautigan: calling it a ‘museum’
[23:09] Random Unsung: I’m looking at it now
[23:10] Random Unsung: how could it be that the Lindens would seize it, but then give it back?
[23:10] IntLibber Brautigan: cause thy must have a research contract deal
[23:10] Random Unsung: somehow, the feel of the PNs isn’t that they were merely created by a university, I think they exist on their own, but some deal is made
[23:10] Random Unsung: but LL doesn’t make research contracts
[23:11] IntLibber Brautigan: I suspect maybe the University has a contract with the Dept of Homeland Security to study terrorism
[23:11] Random Unsung: they used to shepherd in educational groups with their own last names and sims and whatnot, but they gave that up some time ago, there is too great a demand
[23:11] Random Unsung: I’m finding it hard to believe that they would take a thing like that off their sim.
[23:12] Random Unsung: And pursue people into the mainlands and destroy property.
[23:12] IntLibber Brautigan: there are three objectives I think they are itnerested in
[23:12] IntLibber Brautigan: and my suspicions have been confirmed by people with degrees in behavior psychology and mind control
[23:13] IntLibber Brautigan: a) study the mentalities of the types of losers attracted to commit terrorism, hate crimes, etc
[23:13] IntLibber Brautigan: b) study hwo to manipulate memes and propaganda that preexist to make a terrorist movement more or less virulent
[23:13] IntLibber Brautigan: c) study how societies react to terrorist activities
[23:14] IntLibber Brautigan: Prok, you know diplomacy, I know war, I’m a veteran, I recognise psywar ops when i see them
[23:15] IntLibber Brautigan: I recognise the griefers may have preexisted ina less virulent form
[23:15] IntLibber Brautigan: IMHO they have been made more virulent since Mudkips joined.
[23:16] IntLibber Brautigan: BTW: Mudkips lives in Burbank CA, where Woodbury campus is located
[23:16] Random Unsung: well something’s up for sure yes, but Mudkips isn’t the most virulent, he takes the time to post more literary things on forums
[23:16] IntLibber Brautigan: yes
[23:16] IntLibber Brautigan: like an academic
[23:16] IntLibber Brautigan: a propagandist
[23:16] IntLibber Brautigan: he’s not a storm trooper
[23:17] IntLibber Brautigan: he’s a yassir arafat
[23:17] IntLibber Brautigan: he never puts the bomb belt on himself
[23:18] IntLibber Brautigan: Here’s more possible evidence that they have a homeland security contract:
[23:18] IntLibber Brautigan: Tizzers has obtained my military records, so she says
[23:18] Random Unsung: oh geez
[23:18] Random Unsung: talking to him now
[23:33] IntLibber Brautigan: I’ll bet she’s giving you the cover story about preserving 4chan culture and art etc etc
[23:33] IntLibber Brautigan: ask her if she thinks its so important to preserve that stuff, why is she hiding it in the basement, and not putting it on display in a public museum for the public to appreciate?
[23:35] Random Unsung: [23:00] IntLibber Brautigan is Online [23:00] Cub Water Club Tower $200 Apt 5: A rental has expired. [23:00] St. Paul’s Cathedral: Received donation of L$20 from Katja Flanagan. [23:00] Cub Water Club Tower $200 Apt 5: Store rented for 7 days… [23:00] Teemu Sands gave you Please Add. [23:00] Second Life: Your object ‘Candlestick’ has been returned to your inventory lost and found folder by the Velvet from parcel ‘the Velvet: Kurt Vonnegut Jr. 1922 – 2007′ at Iron Fist 231.363, 68.1525 due to parcel owner return. [23:06] Moth Temple Preserve: Received donation of L$100 from Patrick Leavitt. [23:07] IntLibber Brautigan gave you MC Fizgig of Patriotic Nigras. [23:15] Moot Kappler shouts: WHO LEFT THE AGING HIPPIE UP HERE [23:15] You: Hey there [23:15] You: is it true that you are studying terrorism by making up a fake griefer group? [23:15] You: : ) [23:15] Moot Kappler: who told you that [23:15] You: well I’m checking out the story [23:15] You: are you a bot? you don’t have a face [23:16] Mo
[23:35] Random Unsung: oops wait
[23:35] Random Unsung: she’s saying the university has no control over the sim
[23:36] Random Unsung: you need to send this to the university president hang on
[23:37] IntLibber Brautigan: ok
[23:39] IntLibber Brautigan: cool
[23:40] IntLibber Brautigan: That school of Media and Culture used to be called the Institute of Interdisciplinary Studies
[23:40] IntLibber Brautigan: its run by a Dr. Cremer
[23:40] IntLibber Brautigan: I send him a post to his blog the other day
[23:40] IntLibber Brautigan: the next day i was IP banned from the whole Woodbury website.
[23:44] IntLibber Brautigan: BTW: They know you are Prokofy
[23:45] IntLibber Brautigan: Hazim has been hanging out there, he knows you are prokofy
[23:45] Random Unsung: oh sure I know, Hazim is a frequent flyer
[23:45] Random Unsung: I’m just seeing what I get out of them
[23:46] IntLibber Brautigan: Tizzers herself belonged to /b/SUPREMACY until saturday
[23:46] IntLibber Brautigan: quit it to save her ass
[23:46] Random Unsung: well she’s trying to draw me off into a private convo now, I think I’ll pass
[23:46] IntLibber Brautigan: nah see what you can dig from that
[23:46] IntLibber Brautigan: she might spill some stuff
[23:46] IntLibber Brautigan: she knows the heat is getting turned up
[23:50] Random Unsung: well the usual collection of asstards
[23:52] Random Unsung: it seems more likely it’s a student who has convinced some wealthy donor or professor to get this island and he odesn’ thave time to watch it
[23:53] Random Unsung: and she’s just doing the usual stupid kid thing on it
[23:53] Random Unsung: Trustifarians would be my diagnosis.
[23:55] Random Unsung: the girl is not bright, and not doing any study, it’s retarded
[23:55] Random Unsung: see the Woodbury website could be handled by kids, adults often do that, even at a university, those kids are 4 channers and they block you
[23:56] Random Unsung: that’s why a fax or snail mail to the president would be in order if you had time to bother
[23:56] IntLibber Brautigan: I’m going to pursue that

2007-04-23 04:12:37
0:40] Random Unsung: Edward M. Clift, Communication, Woodbury University Premonition as profit: Hyper-capitalism and the cultivation of anxiety
[0:41] Random Unsung: http://www.russcomm.ru/eng/rca_news/2006/2006_07_01.shtml
[0:41] IntLibber Brautigan: nice
[0:41] IntLibber Brautigan is typing…
[0:41] Random Unsung: Does it get more clear than that?!
[0:41] IntLibber Brautigan: btw: They dropped 7 of my sims this morning
[0:41] IntLibber Brautigan: three tonite
[0:42] Random Unsung: how do you mean “dropped”?
[0:42] Random Unsung: I’ve written a query to Edward about his sim in SL
[0:42] IntLibber Brautigan: dropped as in crashed
[0:42] Random Unsung: I’ve had Hazim pay a rental box that doesn’t exist, which is very wierd
[0:43] Random Unsung: I can’t find any grief building however — yet
[0:43] Random Unsung: are they using that Grid crasher they’ve described?’
[0:43] IntLibber Brautigan: not here
[0:43] IntLibber Brautigan: we’re not mainland
[0:45] IntLibber Brautigan: oh, woodbury crashed too
[0:45] Random Unsung: interesting
[0:46] IntLibber Brautigan: Socrates Linden says theya re monitoring Woodbury very closely
[0:46] Random Unsung: well if they monitored it so closely, these goons would be gone by now
[0:46] Random Unsung: geez, that’s retarded
[0:46] Random Unsung: I mean, read the transcript from last night
[0:46] IntLibber Brautigan: esp after the griefing of the Virginia Tech memorial
[0:46] Random Unsung: they are so transparent
[0:46] Random Unsung: yes did you see Hazim threatened that on my blog?
[0:46] Random Unsung: I didn’t see it right away
[0:46] Random Unsung: what did they do?
[0:46] IntLibber Brautigan: they are calling Cho a “real american hero”
[0:47] Random Unsung: buridan has me banned and muted so I couldn’t reach him and the others weren’t responding
[0:47] Random Unsung: ugh
[0:47] IntLibber Brautigan: demanded that he be included in the memorial
[0:47] IntLibber Brautigan: they were using alts named GICHOAREALAMERICANHERO Hax, etc
[0:47] Random Unsung: horrible
[0:49] IntLibber Brautigan: btw: they were using the Prokofy dolls to impersonate you
[0:49] IntLibber Brautigan: FlipperA Peregrine bought it and thought you griefed the memorial
[0:49] Random Unsung: oh geez
[0:49] Random Unsung: I would never do such a thing
[0:49] IntLibber Brautigan: I know
[0:49] IntLibber Brautigan: you need to talk with him
[0:50] Random Unsung: buridan banned me when I came there merely because he’s a dick, with a long history of coming and griefing my events
[0:50] Random Unsung: I typed one sentence and he banned me
[0:50] IntLibber Brautigan: was this JT Buridan?
[0:50] Random Unsung: no I don’t talk to idiots like Flipper
[0:50] Random Unsung: no
[0:50] Random Unsung: buridan the joiito guy
[0:50] IntLibber Brautigan: dunno him
[0:50] Random Unsung: JT Buridan I think is in my tenants’ group
[0:50] Random Unsung: I’ve never seen any activity from him
[0:50] IntLibber Brautigan: JT Buridan is a griefer
[0:50] Random Unsung: I mean burdian
[0:51] IntLibber Brautigan: He runs a group called Merczateers Resistance Forces
[0:51] Random Unsung: right I see that now, they’re awful
[0:51] IntLibber Brautigan: was kicked out of the real mercz for griefing
[0:51] Random Unsung: I had to fight them in the sim Nick Rhodes
[0:51] IntLibber Brautigan: Mercz are fine
[0:51] IntLibber Brautigan: MRF are griefers
[0:51] Random Unsung: I don’t care for people who put up Soviet insignia
[0:51] IntLibber Brautigan: I’m sure
[0:51] IntLibber Brautigan: the real Mercz are just doing role playing
[0:51] IntLibber Brautigan: its SL combat under SLSALT
[0:52] IntLibber Brautigan: they rent one of my sims for their base
[0:52] Random Unsung: yes generally they don’t grief in terms of getting on the police blotter
[0:52] IntLibber Brautigan: they help me a lot with defense
[0:53] IntLibber Brautigan: Oh I have a story youd’ find enjoyable
[0:53] IntLibber Brautigan: one of the Mercz, Jonathan Arna
[0:53] IntLibber Brautigan: hes a RL cop
[0:53] IntLibber Brautigan: was their General of MPs
[0:53] IntLibber Brautigan: built their HQ building, a copy of the kremlin
[0:53] IntLibber Brautigan: he left the Mercz
[0:53] IntLibber Brautigan: sold the rights to the building to the Alliance Navy
[0:53] IntLibber Brautigan: AN attacked the sim, turned the building physical, and blew it up
[0:55] Random Unsung: hmmm
[0:56] Random Unsung: now there was a guy who was a RL cop that I knew under another name, from Columbus, OH that was more of a griefer than a cop
[0:56] Random Unsung: anyway, I’m not here to rp police with kids, I don’t want them

2007-04-26 05:11:58
[1:35] Random Unsung: Did you see the latest on Woodbury?
[1:35] Random Unsung: I got an answer from Clift, and it was snarky.
[1:36] IntLibber Brautigan: no whats up?
[1:36] Random Unsung: I wrote him asking for a comment on the antics there.
[1:36] Random Unsung: He wrote back with a reply that he would only speak to Reuters, the LA times, or the Chronicle of Higher Education
[1:36] Random Unsung: that what kind of reporter would seek a comment from him AFTER the story was done, blah blah
[1:37] Random Unsung: so I wrote back saying that the story had aged 2 weeks at least and cried out for coverage, and couldn’t wait for him to surface
[1:37] Random Unsung: nobody who had IM’d him in world or emailed him had answers, though in fact I didn’t write to him until after the article was up, but so what? Whoever heard of having to delay news coverage merely because one source is AWOL?
[1:37] Random Unsung: i mean AFK or whatever
[1:38] Random Unsung: so then I asked Robin Linden in the office hours: what’s up with Woodbury? What was LL doing about? She said “we have written the professor” and didn’t have a reply yet
[1:38] Random Unsung: so when I got my answer, I forward it to Robin and said, “Watch out, he’s in on it”
[1:38] Random Unsung: and she wrote back”It would be helpful if he didn’t get his 15 minutes of fame”
[1:39] IntLibber Brautigan: good
[1:39] Random Unsung: well I’m not sure how to read what she’s saying, whether that constitutes an acknolwedgement that he’s a problem
[1:40] Random Unsung: I’m fairly certain he *is* a problem
[1:40] IntLibber Brautigan: yes i do too
[1:40] IntLibber Brautigan: academics can be assholes,
[1:40] IntLibber Brautigan: definitely don’t believe in freedom of speech for others
[1:40] Random Unsung: oh totally, and Marxism is entrenched in these universities
[1:41] Random Unsung: well a normal academic, even some Marxist, would say, oh, I’ll check on that
[1:41] Random Unsung: but the fact that he was on the defensive tryingto discredit the very questioning process
[1:41] Random Unsung: that lets me know he’s in on it
[1:41] Random Unsung: but what the whole thing is really about remains opaque
[1:41] IntLibber Brautigan: some tried to force my grad student cousin to make me retract internet postings I’d made on global warming cause i talked about the socialist agenda of the Club of Rome
[1:41] Random Unsung: oh totally
[1:41] IntLibber Brautigan: other good news
[1:42] Random Unsung: the question is whether this is an FSB op of a typical variety designed to undermine Western youth, etc.
[1:42] Random Unsung: or whether it is merely this guy’s one wacky sectarian caper
[1:42] Random Unsung: or both, feeding into each other, accidently
[1:42] IntLibber Brautigan: Teeple and Blue Linden are giving defenders verbal consent to use blitzing and orbiting against griefers
[1:42] Random Unsung: where are they saying that?
[1:42] IntLibber Brautigan: said it to AlexanderJohn Herman
[1:42] Random Unsung: well they’ll have to say it once those new tools go in
[1:42] Random Unsung: in the forums or only in room chat?
[1:42] IntLibber Brautigan: in sim chat
[1:43] IntLibber Brautigan: Alexander asked what he could do against their attacks
[1:43] IntLibber Brautigan: Teeple asked if he had psitec
[1:43] Random Unsung: well ultimately, they have to stop prosecuting people who shoot griefers
[1:43] IntLibber Brautigan: he said yes
[1:43] IntLibber Brautigan: Teeple said, then use it
[1:43] Random Unsung: interesting
[1:43] Random Unsung: I haev repeatedly asked whether they wll end prosecution of chatlog distributors and users of weapons against griefers, they won’t respond
[1:44] IntLibber Brautigan: actually, he said specifically “Then you know what to do”
[1:44] Random Unsung: I asked again about the chat log in Robin’s office hours, she wouldnt’ respond
[1:44] Random Unsung: oh well that gives him deniability
[1:44] Random Unsung: I bet they won’t go ont he record with that tho
[1:44] IntLibber Brautigan: I believe it tends to vary among lindens, depending on what country they are from
[1:44] IntLibber Brautigan: American lindens I think are much more self defense oriented
[1:45] IntLibber Brautigan: the euro and aussie ones are much less so
[1:45] Random Unsung: well i had to deal with this Sejong Lidnen, and I tore him a new one
[1:45] Random Unsung: I have a voting poll on my property, perfectly legal
[1:45] Random Unsung: which raises the generic question: what should we do about grief builds? right next door is a deliberate provocative punkstore that bought waterfront to annoy everyone
[1:45] Random Unsung: and sure, people can do what they like on their land and build punk stores on beautiful waterfront
[1:46] Random Unsung: but then I can do what I like on my land, too, and have a poll about whether to boycott this business or how to handle it
[1:46] Random Unsung: so Sejong just comes and removes that
[1:46] IntLibber Brautigan: right
[1:46] IntLibber Brautigan: oh?
[1:46] Random Unsung: eys
[1:46] IntLibber Brautigan: thats not right
[1:46] Random Unsung: he manually contacts me inworld, with no due process
[1:46] Random Unsung: illustrating he’s a resident-turned-Linden with an axe to grind
[1:46] IntLibber Brautigan: is he asian?
[1:46] Random Unsung: he’s new, but has all this help info on his profile that lets me know he’s a Lindesident
[1:46] Random Unsung: yes Korean evidently but U.S. citizen he told me
[1:47] Random Unsung: so anyway, I tore him a new one and told him I would absolutely publicize the shit out of this, it was wrong
[1:47] Random Unsung: he lectuerd me about how we all had to get along, and I couldn’t have something criticizing my neighbours and it was “against the community”
[1:47] Random Unsung: and I said bullshit, this guy is “against the ocmmunity” by building shit on waterfront when we all have appropriate stuff
[1:47] IntLibber Brautigan: What I suggest is when you do stuff like that now, is contact a linden who is favorable to you to approve, so if sejong or others give you crap, you fob them off onto that linden
[1:47] Random Unsung: well what I did was finally tell hinm that I had AR’d him
[1:47] Random Unsung: he then contacted his superior
[1:47] IntLibber Brautigan: good
[1:48] Random Unsung: he got back to me and said, well put it out if you must but it’s against the community
[1:48] Random Unsung: I said, bullshit, you can’t define what a community is on my sim
[1:48] IntLibber Brautigan: right
[1:48] Random Unsung: I then protested to Robin as she is nominally in charge of these people, but not really
[1:48] IntLibber Brautigan: well your problem is you are a mainlander
[1:48] Random Unsung: I have islands too
[1:48] IntLibber Brautigan: yes
[1:48] Random Unsung: but I am resisting their concept of tool-induced covenants
[1:48] IntLibber Brautigan: on islands, you are the queen
[1:48] Random Unsung: I want covenants that people establish in groups on their sims to count too
[1:49] IntLibber Brautigan: sure
[1:49] IntLibber Brautigan: I totally think residents of mainland sims should be able to choose their own governance
[1:49] Random Unsung: they only recognize tool-based covenants but I feel it’s worth fighting
[1:49] Random Unsung: well you can to a point
[1:49] Random Unsung: but they don’t recognize it
[1:49] IntLibber Brautigan: well if a sim resident group votes to have a covenant in their sim, it should be applied by LL to their sim
[1:49] Random Unsung: ultimately, your only solution is to buy the island which now has more tier
[1:49] Random Unsung: well they claim they wlil have something like that
[1:49] Random Unsung: it opens up problems of course
[1:50] Random Unsung: 20 people who own 16 m2 parcels with grief signs could vote to have a covenant of grief signing and the rest of us owning on that sim will be blocked by majoritarian rule
[1:50] Random Unsung: so I have urged them to make it by meters, and of course that goes against their nutty egalitarianism
[1:51] IntLibber Brautigan: of course it should be by meters
[1:51] IntLibber Brautigan: and a 16 meter parcel shouldn’t have a vote, too small to be a residence
[1:51] Random Unsung: When telehub mall owners demanded and got the meeting with Philip Linden in 2005
[1:51] Random Unsung: he told us unequivocally: land will not be recognized as stake in this world
[1:51] IntLibber Brautigan: well it does in my estate
[1:51] Random Unsung: well they could undo the 16 m2 nonsense by making no parcel sell if it is under 256 m2
[1:52] IntLibber Brautigan: I apportion lag by land area
[1:52] Random Unsung: yes well I challenged him to explain why his business makes land a stake and sells it, thereby valuing it
[1:52] Random Unsung: but then he devalues it and calls it no stake once it is in my hands
[1:52] Random Unsung: that’s pretty fucked
[1:53] IntLibber Brautigan: so is Clift MC Fizgig or this Farland character?
[1:54] IntLibber Brautigan: another sim you should look at is Paperboy and Co
[1:54] IntLibber Brautigan: PN uses that as a weapons test sim
[1:54] IntLibber Brautigan: its apparently abandoned by the owner
[1:54] Random Unsung: yes I saw those messages
[1:54] IntLibber Brautigan: but tier is paid
[1:54] Random Unsung: Clift is Fizgig I think
[1:54] IntLibber Brautigan: ok
[1:54] IntLibber Brautigan: they have a MASSIVE base in Paperboy
[1:54] Random Unsung: do you think PN just moved in on a sim that this professor left untended, or is there more to it?
[1:55] Random Unsung: how do they set objects?
[1:55] IntLibber Brautigan: I am sure Tizzers is in on it and works for the prof
[1:55] IntLibber Brautigan: Paperboy and Co is public build
[1:55] IntLibber Brautigan: the owner appears to be japanese
[1:55] Random Unsung: if she whitewashes 4chan she has to be
[1:55] Random Unsung: ok
[1:56] Random Unsung: has anyone snapshooted or reliably placed who did the attack on Kula?
[1:56] IntLibber Brautigan: dont know
[1:56] IntLibber Brautigan: AlexanderJohn Herman and his air cavalry have been patrolling all the sandboxes
[1:56] Random Unsung: Is the Justice League this guy California Candor? or what is it?
[1:57] IntLibber Brautigan: JLU is doing its thing
[1:57] IntLibber Brautigan: oh, Hazim created Juice League Ultimate
[1:57] Random Unsung: oh
[1:57] Random Unsung: it’s a knock-off then
[1:57] IntLibber Brautigan: yes
[1:57] IntLibber Brautigan: he’s made a Kool-Aid avatar for the group
[1:58] IntLibber Brautigan: Hazim has a significant facility in paperboy
[1:58] Random Unsung: yes I should go screenshot I’ve just been too busy
[1:58] Random Unsung: well he’s lying about not being involved in the Kula attack surely
[1:59] IntLibber Brautigan: yes, Hazim is a serious character
[1:59] Random Unsung: Hazim is definitely the same person who was in the old Voted-5, and Kerian’s attempt to claim it isn’t the same person is merely a distraction
[1:59] IntLibber Brautigan: yes
[2:00] IntLibber Brautigan: geobbels law
[2:00] Random Unsung: this person goes way back like 2 years to the WTC
[2:00] IntLibber Brautigan: their comments to your articles are illustrative merely of their current stable of lies
[2:01] Random Unsung: oh totally, and that’s fine, it was created to give them a place to post their latest roster of lies
[2:01] Random Unsung: it’s interesting that in this thread, where they feel it’s “already about them” they refrain from the kind of race-baiting and vulgarity they impose on other stories
[2:01] IntLibber Brautigan: because you are in their living room
[2:02] Random Unsung: I generally refrain from talking to them, or speaking to them directly, or responding to them
[2:02] IntLibber Brautigan: confronting them on their turf puts them on the defensive
[2:02] Random Unsung: because that’s all part of legitimizing them, when they goad me inworld, I never respond, nor report on it, nor answer them directly
[2:02] IntLibber Brautigan: A good friend of mine was a juvie cop
[2:02] IntLibber Brautigan: he used to do his job very well
[2:02] Random Unsung: yes, well I thought the Woodbury thing had risen to the point where you had to go visit and throw them into offensive and surprise
[2:02] IntLibber Brautigan: by going around every night to where the kids hung out
[2:03] Random Unsung: yes
[2:03] Random Unsung: they are used to thinking of their hangouts as sanctuaries
[2:03] IntLibber Brautigan: saying “hey what are we doing tonite”
[2:03] IntLibber Brautigan: they’d leave
[2:03] IntLibber Brautigan: group somewhere else
[2:03] IntLibber Brautigan: he’d show up ther
[2:03] IntLibber Brautigan: and every other place
[2:03] IntLibber Brautigan: they’d go home
[2:03] IntLibber Brautigan: job done
[2:04] IntLibber Brautigan: they are targeting Badnarik
[2:04] IntLibber Brautigan: crashed it 26 times in two weeks
[2:04] Random Unsung: geez
[2:04] IntLibber Brautigan: Massen is under attack now
[2:04] Random Unsung: I’m looking at Fizgig’s profile, he even has a classic PN picture of the pool’s out guy in his profile
[2:04] Random Unsung: a pctuer of their parade
[2:05] IntLibber Brautigan: but they are trying to get the Merczateers, who own that sim, to countergrief them
[2:05] IntLibber Brautigan: so they can file ARs on them
[2:05] Random Unsung: oh well in that sense, the end of the whole silly AR system is a good thing
[2:05] Random Unsung: it was mainly used to settle scores
[2:06] Random Unsung: why are the PN’s so fascinated with black people?
[2:06] Random Unsung: are they pathetic white boys lol?
[2:06] IntLibber Brautigan: its giving white boys victim status
[2:06] Random Unsung: yes
[2:06] IntLibber Brautigan: so anything they do is forgiven
[2:06] IntLibber Brautigan: if they cry racism
[2:07] Random Unsung: why is it only now we hear about Woodbury when these avatars go back to January?

2007-05-14 02:45:44
Random Unsung: What’s up with the anti-voter 5 group, is that in fact a voter 5 in it?
IntLibber Brautigan: which?
Random Unsung: Anti Voter 5, the group you are in
IntLibber Brautigan: yeah
IntLibber Brautigan: who is a voter 5?
Random Unsung: well the group is not visible
Random Unsung: what is your point with that group?
Random Unsung: you do realize that they always create “anti” groups as a distraction device
IntLibber Brautigan: heres the group charter: Voter 5 is full of a bunch of W-Hat alts and ne’er do well Goons who try to crash the grid. I hate them, and I want them to leave Second Life. I own land, and they keep leaving phallic objects on my e-lawn. If you are against Voter 5 and that griefing idiot Hazim Gazov, then feel free to join this group.
Random Unsung: well, that’s obviously them, making a fake group
Random Unsung: they do that all the time
IntLibber Brautigan: Well, Alamareca is an aspiring journalist, actually, sees you as a role model.
Random Unsung: um, rolls eyes
Random Unsung: have you decided to go over to the dark side, IntLibber?
IntLibber Brautigan: not at all
Random Unsung: You do realize that their claims to be “separate” or “hating” or “even attacking” w-hat are all fake
Random Unsung: the first thing each alt does when they log on
Random Unsung: is send me a TP to Baku
Random Unsung: that’s their way of signalling the connection
Random Unsung: Baku is w-hat’s home base
Random Unsung: the v-5 also always join “the largest and most pointless group every”

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83 Responses to “Intlibber: “I am sure Tizzers is in on it and works for the prof””

  1. Banned

    Jul 10th, 2007

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  2. Alyx Stoklitsky

    Jul 10th, 2007

    Prokofy, you idiot. This chatlog is from APRIL.

    At the time, Intlib was unaffiliated with Tizzers and WU, and was as badly misguided about WU, PN and /b/ as you are.

    These are the crazy conspiracy theories he cooked up before he finally saw the truth. At that time, he was ridiculed by myself, Tizzers, others just as much as you are.

    Perhaps you should take a leaf out of Intlib’s book at take the time to get to know us /b/tards properly, as he did.

  3. Verbena Pennyfeather

    Jul 10th, 2007

    [1:59] Random Unsung: Hazim is definitely the same person who was in the old Voted-5, and Kerian’s attempt to claim it isn’t the same person is merely a distraction
    [1:59] IntLibber Brautigan: yes
    [2:00] IntLibber Brautigan: geobbels law

    Seeing as how I personally approved anyone joining the old V5. No. You fail at internetting, Prokofy. Fuckin retard.

  4. Nina A

    Jul 10th, 2007

    This is becoming tedious now.

  5. Loloz Oh

    Jul 10th, 2007

    Prok you’re playing right into their hands. Mad props are in order, you da man now dawg.

  6. Prokofy Neva

    Jul 10th, 2007

    >Prokofy, you idiot. This chatlog is from APRIL.

    >At the time, Intlib was unaffiliated with Tizzers and WU, and was as badly misguided about WU, PN and /b/ as you are.

    >These are the crazy conspiracy theories he cooked up before he finally saw the truth. At that time, he was ridiculed by myself, Tizzers, others just as much as you are.

    >Perhaps you should take a leaf out of Intlib’s book at take the time to get to know us /b/tards properly, as he did.

    No, I’m not interested in being brainwashed and spun by lying conspirators. Hardly. I’m not “misguided,” as I continue to ask exactly the right questions.

    I’m quite aware of the fact that Intlibber began with these beliefs, then changed them under a barrage of indoctrination that he imagines he didn’t undergo.And that process is worth documenting and airing. I challenged *his* conspiracy notions then, as now. That’s ok, however, as *light has to be shone on this matter* and all the information examined. Some of the claims he made — like PN funding Woodbury, like Tizzers inviting the /btards to Woodbury, that Mootkips is in Burbank — these all bear revisiting and examination.

    I don’t see any of these claims actually being denied. I don’t see anyone coming forward with a legitimate story about funding and staffing.

  7. BeefX

    Jul 10th, 2007

    @Loloz Oh
    “Prok you’re playing right into their hands. Mad props are in order, you da man now dawg.”

    Extra points due to the fact that Prok wants to be a man

  8. Chav

    Jul 10th, 2007

    >indeed, they already have gotten you if you can’t grasp the essence of the communist Big Lie that lies back of this Leninst group

    A+ political satire, would LOL again.

    As a fan of this sort of hilarious right-wing paranoia, I can only hope that there’s more of this stuff in future.

    (Though in seriousness if the standard could be upped a bit this is a fasinating look at schisms between factions of the SL Right.)

  9. Thraxis Epsilon

    Jul 10th, 2007

    “No, I’m not interested in being brainwashed and spun by lying conspirators. Hardly. I’m not “misguided,” as I continue to ask exactly the right questions.

    I’m quite aware of the fact that Intlibber began with these beliefs, then changed them under a barrage of indoctrination that he imagines he didn’t undergo.”

    OK so let me get this straight… You now believe that people are getting brainwashed in SL by these groups you say are out to get you?

  10. Hazim Gazov

    Jul 10th, 2007

    >>[1:59] Random Unsung: Hazim is definitely the same person who was in the old Voted-5, and Kerian’s attempt to claim it isn’t the same person is merely a distraction

    YES, I AM VERBENA PENNYFEATHER, PLASTIC DUCK, I AM RANDOM UNSUNG, I AM ALSO INTLIBBER BRAUGHTIGAN! PLAY THE FINGERPOINTING GAME!

  11. mootykips

    Jul 10th, 2007

    hay guys how abouts some shooting missiles at the israelis

  12. Anonymoose

    Jul 10th, 2007

    DURKA DURKA MOHAMMED DURKA DURKA JIHAD

  13. Ethan Schuman

    Jul 10th, 2007

    Prokofy… as someone who normally enjoys reading your articles, I hate to say this, but… this article fails. Hard. A couple paragraphs of ranting followed by an obnoxiously long and outdated series of chatlogs do not a good news story make. Do better next time.

  14. Anonymous

    Jul 10th, 2007

    >Prokofy

    “No, I’m not interested in being brainwashed and spun by lying conspirators. Hardly. I’m not “misguided,” as I continue to ask exactly the right questions.”

    There you go again, sticking your fingers in your ears. THERE IS NO CONSPIRACY.

    “I’m quite aware of the fact that Intlibber began with these beliefs, then changed them under a barrage of indoctrination that he imagines he didn’t undergo.And that process is worth documenting and airing. I challenged *his* conspiracy notions then, as now. That’s ok, however, as *light has to be shone on this matter* and all the information examined. Some of the claims he made — like PN funding Woodbury, like Tizzers inviting the /btards to Woodbury, that Mootkips is in Burbank — these all bear revisiting and examination.”

    PN? Funding the Woodbury sim? PLEASE show me the evidence for this. You do understand that Mootykips hates Tizzers, and that PN have raided and crashed the sim on more than one occasion? Right?

    “I don’t see any of these claims actually being denied. I don’t see anyone coming forward with a legitimate story about funding and staffing.”

    It is funded by Woodbury University. Tizzers was left as the active Admin. She has also recruited four other individuals to act as admins when she isn’t around. I am one of these individuals.

    Stop bleating on about imaginary conspiracies, Prok. Intlibber wasn’t brainwashed. Do you think a bunch of bored teenagers are capable of *brainwashing*?

    Open your eyes and look further than the end of your own sims.

  15. Prokofy Neva

    Jul 10th, 2007

    >Prokofy… as someone who normally enjoys reading your articles, I hate to say this, but… this article fails. Hard. A couple paragraphs of ranting followed by an obnoxiously long and outdated series of chatlogs do not a good news story make. Do better next time.

    Sorry you didn’t like my article. The chatlogs are treasure-troves, and aren’t outdated, because they are absolutely relevant to the key elements of the conspiracy. For extra credit you get stuff like Interlibber crowing about the Lindens giving him the verbal go-ahead to rampantly defy the TOS and shoot people and use weapons on them if they are griefers. That was quite something, eh? Honestly, these are among the best and richest source of truths about Second Life in the history of the Herald.

    I also took care not to “rant” but tie my critique to larger themes about the non-state actor in RL. Oh, well, can’t please everybody.

  16. Prokofy Neva

    Jul 10th, 2007

    >There you go again, sticking your fingers in your ears. THERE IS NO CONSPIRACY.

    And this is something I’m going to buy from an anonymous poster without any name at all???

    >PN? Funding the Woodbury sim? PLEASE show me the evidence for this. You do understand that Mootykips hates Tizzers, and that PN have raided and crashed the sim on more than one occasion? Right?

    I don’t think “hate” is the word to apply when Tizzers’ own partner whom she “married” is a v-5 who is closely associated with, if not coterminous with, the PNs. Mootkykips said he paid for the sim. We’re waiting to hear more about this, to see if that involves more than $15 US.

    They crashed their own sims, testing weapons scripts to use on other people — and the Lindens found them doing this, and confiscated the sim. This isn’t disputed, nor is it rocket science.

    >It is funded by Woodbury University. Tizzers was left as the active Admin. She has also recruited four other individuals to act as admins when she isn’t around. I am one of these individuals.

    If you work for a public and open university and not a secret society, than you can come forward and a) give a Second Life name and b) even give a RL name on a website as most other educators in Second Life do! And we don’t have confirmation of this funding yet.

    >Stop bleating on about imaginary conspiracies, Prok. Intlibber wasn’t brainwashed. Do you think a bunch of bored teenagers are capable of *brainwashing*?

    They aren’t bored teenagers.

    They are indeed capable of very skillful brainwashing and indoctrination and “gaslighting”.

    Intlibber is indeed both a willing victim thinking he’s playing them in his spy games AND a chump.

    >Open your eyes and look further than the end of your own sims.

    I don’t have to. These people make house calls. They crash my sims. It’s not rocket science.

  17. JIVE

    Jul 10th, 2007

    My word, Prokofy, you’ve certainly stumbled into it this time, it turns out, as you’ve predicted, that Mootykips, Tizzers, Intlibber, Philip Linden and Bob Vila are all the same person! Kudos! Way to show those leninist conspirateurs who’s who!

  18. Anonymous

    Jul 10th, 2007

    Christ prok, you’re blind to everything that doesnt come out of your own head or sounds liek something in your favor, you’re also unusually obsessed with woodbury and tizzers, especially tizzers. Why her? why not focus on the people causing the problems, the PN? oh right, you cant, they arent on the game except when they attack. I bet they’re laughing at you at the moment for your accusations. especially because they loathe woodbury and half of them hate tizzers, a few actually believe she’s really against them. She’s about as involved in the PN as Penguins are involved in US international policy.

    You want a scapegoat, or else you have a serious obsession with her. Latent homosexuality much? Seriously, male avatar and an unhealthy fixation on a female player.
    You seriously need to get out of your chair, lay off the booze and get to a psychologist, prok. if you think EVERYONE is out to get you and is holding some epic conspiracy against you, you need help. It’s just a fucking game, most people do not care about such things except furry groups (and even with them, probably a small portion) and obviously you.

    go see a psychiatrist. seriously. You either have some form of latent homosexuality or obsessiveness and extreme paranoia from drinking too much.

  19. Alyx Stoklitsky

    Jul 10th, 2007

    >Prokofy

    “And this is something I’m going to buy from an anonymous poster without any name at all???”

    Oops, I forgot to enter my name for that post. Sorry.

    “They aren’t bored teenagers.”

    Well, ok, you’re right – I turned 20 last month. WOW!

  20. Prokofy Neva

    Jul 10th, 2007

    >Christ prok, you’re blind to everything that doesnt come out of your own head or sounds liek something in your favor, you’re also unusually obsessed with woodbury and tizzers, especially tizzers.

    I’m not obsessed, I’m merely reporting on a story that YOU asked to get to the bottom of in April, and I’ve stayed on it, and remained skeptical, and looked for objectivity, something you’ve abandoned as you’ve been shilled and taken in by these professional flatterers.

    When they begin to grief me for my reportage, I take an even more keen interest!

    >Why her? why not focus on the people causing the problems, the PN? oh right, you cant, they arent on the game except when they attack. I bet they’re laughing at you at the moment for your accusations. especially because they loathe woodbury and half of them hate tizzers, a few actually believe she’s really against them.

    She’s the administrator of Woodbury, and if she were acting in good faith, she’d have all these people banned, and wouldn’t have her sim crashed, now, would she? She’d be asking the Lindens for help, instead of accusing them of taking away her academic freedom now, wouldn’t she.

    If she’s “actually against them,” why did she a) take payments from them b) invite them to form a base and c) — most importantly, in fact start out as a b/tard of even high ranking, we’re told, whitewashing the new nature of the group with the most devious of them.

    And spare me the intel reports about how PN and v5 and Woodbury Security are all different. Any child can see the textures, lingo, MOs, duh. They’re all in it together.

    What I don’t see is why YOU, an avowed Snowcrasher elite ancapper, whould be making cause with these hooligans. Unless it’s expedient to help you rid the grid of people who expose your evil ideology. Hmm, that could be it!

    >She’s about as involved in the PN as Penguins are involved in US international policy.

    Yes, google “Penguin” as in “Penguin Group” and the phrase “U.S. international policy” and hey, what a coinkydink, eh?
    http://browse.barnesandnoble.com/browse/nav.asp?visgrp=nonfiction&N=1138482&Ne=1137470+1138482&z=y

    I realize you conspiratists love to leave little trails of clues around like that.

    >You want a scapegoat, or else you have a serious obsession with her. Latent homosexuality much? Seriously, male avatar and an unhealthy fixation on a female player.

    Rolls eyes. I would think that in this day and age, this sort of intolerance, and language right out of the 1950s like “latent homosexual” would be inexcusable in discourse. Apparently not.

    >You seriously need to get out of your chair, lay off the booze and get to a psychologist, prok. if you think EVERYONE is out to get you and is holding some epic conspiracy against you, you need help. It’s just a fucking game, most people do not care about such things except furry groups (and even with them, probably a small portion) and obviously you.

    Actually, I don’t drink, and this concept that I’m somehow an alcoholic cat lady in need of psychiatric assistance is risible.

    I hardly think I take SL as seriously as someone with a mutant and devious strain of the RL libertarian movement does founding all kinds of “investment” and “security” groups in SL. My God, must not leave much time for a REAL JOB.

    >go see a psychiatrist. seriously. You either have some form of latent homosexuality or obsessiveness and extreme paranoia from drinking too much

    I think psychiatrists don’t undertake to “cure” homosexuality, nor do they even attempt to cure “latent homosexuality” which I don’t think is a valid diagnosis out of the DMV these days.

    As I rarely drink, and am not paranoid, I can only conclude that I’ve hit home here with these articles and rest my case.

  21. Anonymous

    Jul 10th, 2007

    “Actually, I don’t drink”
    “As I rarely drink”

    so, you do drink? just not mutch? or did you pull another backtrack right on your own foot?

    anyone else catch that little slip? oops, looks like you walked right into the trail of shit you are spewing from your mouth.

  22. Prokofy Neva

    Jul 10th, 2007

    >”Actually, I don’t drink”
    >”As I rarely drink”

    >so, you do drink? just not mutch? or did you pull another backtrack right on your own foot?

    >anyone else catch that little slip? oops, looks like you walked right into the trail of shit you are spewing from your mouth.

    It’s not a slip, it’s the same thing, and what’s sad is that someone would be reduced to distracting from their own instability and character by trying to smear another.

    No, I don’t drink, as a generality. Why, do you? I imagine drinking and simming is what is causing some of your problems and reversals and hallucinations then, Intlibber.

    I rarely, if ever drink — I think the last time I had a beer was when someone bought me one at the art show with DTV.

    Joshua Nightshade tried this harassment tactic, thinking that if I was bullied and harrassed and lied about enough on this made-up issue, something could be put over on me. But anyone who knows me, who has come to public events, who talks to me regularly, just knows that I just happen not to be one of those people who drinks regularly, as so many do. It’s just not my thing.

  23. Tizzers Foxchase

    Jul 10th, 2007

    >”thinking that if I was bullied and harrassed and lied about enough on this made-up issue, something could be put over on me”

    Wow! That sounds strangely familiar. *rolleyes*

    So tell me, how does it feel to be on the other side Prok?

  24. Prokofy Neva

    Jul 10th, 2007

    Tizzers, could you confirm or deny whether you have lost your position as “SL administrator for Woodbury” and what exactly *is* your current affiliation with Woodbury. Are you an enrolled and mastriculated student?

  25. WitnessX

    Jul 10th, 2007

    Oh wow. This is a load of garbage. We all know Inblubber doesn’t know his own head from his ass and he might have been in the dark during that time. Now might not be so in the dark, Now he’s let dubious people into his fold such as Tizzers, Hazim, and Maldavious Figtree and he STILL doesn’t know his head from his own ass and now he’s not even sure which way is up or down.

    No need to call out Prok, Prok stumbles on Prok’s own without anyone’s help.

    I am WitnessX and I approve bashing of this article :P

  26. Prokofy Neva

    Jul 10th, 2007

    >Oh wow. This is a load of garbage. We all know Inblubber doesn’t know his own head from his ass and he might have been in the dark during that time. Now might not be so in the dark, Now he’s let dubious people into his fold such as Tizzers, Hazim, and Maldavious Figtree and he STILL doesn’t know his head from his own ass and now he’s not even sure which way is up or down.

    >No need to call out Prok, Prok stumbles on Prok’s own without anyone’s help.

    I am WitnessX and I approve bashing of this article :P

    What is a load of garbage? What Intlibber said back them? Maybe, maybe not. Can you confirm or deny?

    I haven’t “stumbled,” I’m merely publishing matters in the interest of the public’s right to know on issues of national security.

    A kind of PNt-a-gone papers, if you will : )

    I agree that Malodorous Figree is right out of the same horror movie as Angel Fluffy.

    But if you have concluded that Intlibber has gone astray by bringing Tizzers, Hazim, etc. into his fold, then why bash the article?

    I’m just trying to get at the truth here.

  27. Maldavius Figtree

    Jul 10th, 2007

    Prokofy I am surprised by the childish remarks and the resort to name calling such as “Malodorous Figree”. You can be assured that I will put all of my effort into making sure you get the help that you so greatly require. As I have stated a report has been sent regarding your threats and actions. Hopefully those reading it now can help you through your current condition.

  28. Madelena Rossini

    Jul 10th, 2007

    OFFICIAL RESPONSE FROM BRAUTIGAN AND TUCK HOLDINGS: Any conversations which occurred off the record in a private chat with another resident in Second Life are merely theoretical banter, and not categorical statements on the position Brautigan and Tuck Holdings takes with regards to Woodbury University, or any other institution or organization present in Second Life. Brautigan and Tuck Holdings does not condone, encourage, support or otherwise endorse any griefing activity in Second Life. Brautigan and Tuck Holdings works ardently to seek positive ways forward for all organizations in Second Life through dialog and diplomacy. Brautigan and Tucks Holdings respects the author’s right to her opinion on this matter, and her right to publish old theoretical conversations in her articles. However, Brautigan and Tuck Holdings believes that Woodbury University should be brought back under responsible supervision and in an environment of adequate security and admissions policies.

  29. Anonymous

    Jul 10th, 2007

    “I’m merely publishing matters in the interest of the public’s right to know on issues of national security”

    nuff said. good example of how far gone prok is on the crazy scale.

  30. Anonymous

    Jul 10th, 2007

    oh shit, i cant beleave i missed this part, get this

    “[23:07] IntLibber Brautigan: I have a chatlog of Tizzers specifically inviting the /b/tards to build a base”

    WHERE ANYWHERE IN THAT ARTICLE IS SAID CHAT LOG?

  31. Just a Thought

    Jul 10th, 2007

    National security?

    Dear god it looks like Prokofy is still at it.

    How many people have to tell you and how many times must you be told Prokofy? Second Life is NOT a Country? There is no Nation for you to protect!

  32. Anonymous

    Jul 10th, 2007

    Prokofy,

    I am a student at the university. I have NOT lost my position as the SL campus administrator. Things are going to change for the better when we are back online. I will be working with a group of designers, architects, and graphic artists to create a new campus with an emphasis on traditional educational, or at least within the parameters of the Linden definition of education. The /b/ stuff will still exist, but it’s nothing more than that (and it never was).

    Check out this article:

    http://theubiquitouslibrarian.typepad.com/the_ubiquitous_librarian/2007/06/second_thoughts.html

    People are fascinated at the underground section of the campus. It gave life to the sim and made it feel like a living-breathing place rather than a dull mock-up of a real life campus.

    I find it a little disturbing that you are so obsessed with trying to defame my character over this. Things got out of hand. I did not even know who Prokofy Neva was until you posted the “Griefer U” article. There was never a conspiracy, although I am a bit flattered that you think I am capable of such things. Be sure to say hi at the SLCC next month, I’ll buy you a glass of wine or something.

  33. Gaius Goodliffe

    Jul 11th, 2007

    “…and am not paranoid…”

    Hahaha… too funny.

  34. Prokofy Neva

    Jul 11th, 2007

    That last post is from Tizzers.

    >I am a student at the university. I have NOT lost my position as the SL campus administrator.

    Did you or did you not have a RL job in the university, and can you confirm that the “SL administrator” *is* the RL job? Why was it said you lost it?

    Can you supply the name and email of your supervisor and a web page about the course — other than Dr. Clift — for this information to be validated?

    >Things are going to change for the better when we are back online. I will be working with a group of designers, architects, and graphic artists to create a new campus with an emphasis on traditional educational, or at least within the parameters of the Linden definition of education.
    The /b/ stuff will still exist, but it’s nothing more than that (and it never was).

    Um, if the /b/tard stuff “still exists” then no educational exercise, traditional or experimental, will be able to take place, and the entire thing will lead to confiscation and banning again.

    The problem isn’t any Linden “traditionalism” or hidebound attitude toward education — dear God, no, that’s not a sin you can lay at their door, quite the opposite.

    The problem is that you are your little griefing buddies imagine that this noveau radical chic is something you can sell to clueless adults as “digital arts” to help them make feel “with it”. I’d love for some of the board members to come to SL and see the textures, words, and activities of your racist, obscene, griefing groups.

    >Check out this article:
    http://theubiquitouslibrarian.typepad.com/the_ubiquitous_librarian/2007/06/second_thoughts.html

    Yeah, I did. The guy’s merely an apologist. He’s an accidental traveler who didn’t see griefing because it happened when he wasn’t online.

    May people know better.

    >People are fascinated at the underground section of the campus. It gave life to the sim and made it feel like a living-breathing place rather than a dull mock-up of a real life campus.

    As I posted to Ubiquitous’ blog, the issue isn’t about dead buildings. I’m all for removing dead stupid buildings. It’s about infantile racist and obscene griefing posing as innovation.

    We’re all clear in our minds on that, Tizzers, grow up

    >I find it a little disturbing that you are so obsessed with trying to defame my character over this. Things got out of hand. I did not even know who Prokofy Neva was until you posted the “Griefer U” article. There was never a conspiracy, although I am a bit flattered that you think I am capable of such things. Be sure to say hi at the SLCC next month, I’ll buy you a glass of wine or something.

    No thanks, and no, I’m not obsessed, and no, I am not “defaming” characters *I’m reporting on your obscene, griefing exercises and sim-crashing posses”.

    You seem to forget that your husband is a banned griefer and gridcrasher even if you can always wear white gloves, seemingly. You’re like those girls who go to Latin America to become the lovers of daring revolutionaries and then whoops find themselves in jail for aiding and abetting violent rebel activities. It’s the modern cyber equivalent.

  35. Raz Welles

    Jul 11th, 2007

    I think it’s gotten to the point where I’ve stopped reading the article and I start looking for the comments that have something new to say.

    My reading experience has doubled in richness since that decision.

  36. Anonymous

    Jul 11th, 2007

    >>I will be working with a group of designers, architects, and graphic artists to create a new campus with an emphasis on traditional educational, or at least within the parameters of the Linden definition of education. The /b/ stuff will still exist, but it’s nothing more than that (and it never was).

    Oh good, more racist and horrid material from 4chan’s /b/ image board (or various other chans as well.) You can create a unique campus without the /b/tard stuff, challenge the norm, without the /b/tard stuff. Yet you still continue to push something that stems from a vile source. This source swimming with sick minded people who over run the actual creative and funny people. Are you going to display the “Nigrasaurus” again? Are you going to display the “Pool’s closed” banner with the racist portrayal of a black person? How about the other great things posted on /b/, like smashed animals? Or the wonderful “Shood da Whoop” which is another racist image inline with the old black face comedies?

    It leaves one to wonder WHY exactly you need the /b/ stuff? Is it simply for shock value? Do you really need this to push thinking outside the box? The arguments of “It’s just an image board” or “It’s just for the lulz” do not cut it Tizzers. The article you linked to does not even mention where all these “memes” and images came from. I’m sure if this person spent more time “lurking moar” in the chans they wouldn’t be so awed anymore

    The question still remains, why continue to push /b/ when it’s not needed?

    Here is what typical /b/ material is. Anyone so willing to look do so and judge for themselves…but be warned alot of this links hold some grotesque things:

    http://www.itsoverninethousand.com/ (somewhat cleaner of the sites, not by much, good place to see what the /b/ “mentality” is like)
    http://img.420chan.org/b/
    http://www.7chan.org/ (go to the /b/random board listed on the side)
    http://www.4chan.org/ (agree to the terms if you so choose and go to the Random board on listed on the side)
    http://img.4chan.org/b/res/32596031.html (this thread on 4chan is particularly lovely…bleh)
    http://www.not420chan.com/i/ (another 420chan board, /i/ for invasion, many illegal activities go on here such as and not limited to: illegal DOSing of sites, hacking and hijacking a person’s accounts, credit card fraud, harassment, stalking, so on and so forth)

    This is but a small example of the Chan behavior, where the bad far outweighs the good and creative of some of the people. This is what Woodbury promotes by making a /b/tard/Chan “shrine” or “museum.” Keep in mind Janelle Kyomoon, if you ever read this, that THIS is what you are linked with everytime you come to Woodbury’s defense since THIS is what they are linked to and promote. /b/ and the chans fall into the status of a cult.

  37. Prokofy Neva

    Jul 11th, 2007

    >Prokofy I am surprised by the childish remarks and the resort to name calling such as “Malodorous Figree”. You can be assured that I will put all of my effort into making sure you get the help that you so greatly require. As I have stated a report has been sent regarding your threats and actions. Hopefully those reading it now can help you through your current condition.

    I think it’s a proper nickname for someone who actually imagines they can *threaten you* with a report to the FBI (!) and accuse you of making threats to personal safety over state borders (!).

    Anonymous has made a good case for showing that the chans and b/tards are a cult; Janelle isn’t an innocent duckling, however, she’s in on it; she’s one of them, and following the same mendacious M.O.

  38. Prokofy Neva

    Jul 11th, 2007

    >OFFICIAL RESPONSE FROM BRAUTIGAN AND TUCK HOLDINGS: Any conversations which occurred off the record in a private chat with another resident in Second Life are merely theoretical banter, and not categorical statements on the position Brautigan and Tuck Holdings takes with regards to Woodbury University, or any other institution or organization present in Madelena Rossini is Intblubber’s hired PR flak. She describes herself on her inworld profile as an ordained minister, yet she belongs to that bigoted and religion-hating group called “Nobody Expects the Spanish Inquisition”

    Intlibber is right to disassociate himself from accurately published chatlogs from April and May that illustrate his own knowledge and his own allegations of the determined and conspiratorial nature of these griefing groups.

    His belief that they can be reformed boggles the mind. It’s good it’s on the written record, however, so we can all see it flame out again and all of them get banned, just like Satyr and Woodbury 1.0 before them — because nothing else can be expected but destruction from the nihilist b/tards.

  39. Tizzers Foxchase

    Jul 11th, 2007

    Prokofy, the day you can produce some solid proof that I have done more than just “stand there” or “rented your house” is the day I will bow down to your almighty knowledge of the universe and declare that you’ve won. I married Hazim because I think he’s a HILARIOUS kid and is extremely intelligent. I’m sick of having to answer to you and your clique. Woodbury is going to operate how it wants without you or anybody else’s commentary. Welcome to the free world.

    For those people that actually believe the rubbish that Prokofy makes up, who is more foolish… the fool or the fool that follows?

    I’m done replying to this crap. Goodbye, adios, sayonara, auf wiedersehn, do svidaniya.

  40. HazimGazovX

    Jul 11th, 2007

    Lol, never link to a thread on 4chan, it’ll be gone in 10 minutes, you retard.

  41. HazimGazovX

    Jul 11th, 2007

    http://voter5.info/horror/index.php?album=porn

    All of everything on 4chan condensed into one tidy little photo album.

  42. Anonymous

    Jul 11th, 2007

    To “Anonymous”: 404 on the thread. If you were to lurk moar, you would learn that threads are automatically deleted on imageboards after a certain period of time, especially on 4chan, where old man time has epileptic seizures.

  43. Anonymous

    Jul 11th, 2007

    >>”OFFICIAL RESPONSE FROM BRAUTIGAN AND TUCK HOLDINGS: Any conversations which occurred off the record in a private chat with another resident in Second Life are merely theoretical banter, and not categorical statements on the position Brautigan and Tuck Holdings takes with regards to Woodbury University, or any other institution or organization present in Second Life. Brautigan and Tuck Holdings does not condone, encourage, support or otherwise endorse any griefing activity in Second Life. Brautigan and Tuck Holdings works ardently to seek positive ways forward for all organizations in Second Life through dialog and diplomacy. Brautigan and Tucks Holdings respects the author’s right to her opinion on this matter, and her right to publish old theoretical conversations in her articles. However, Brautigan and Tuck Holdings believes that Woodbury University should be brought back under responsible supervision and in an environment of adequate security and admissions policies.”

    This line is the real kicker: “Brautigan and Tuck Holdings works ardently to seek positive ways forward for all organizations in Second Life through dialog and diplomacy.”

    Ahem…

    http://www.secondlifeherald.com/slh/2007/06/alliance-navy-b.html

    Intlibber Brautigan the head of BnT was heavily envolved in this Furry Death Camp. His and his VP’s defense on the matter to, summarize and not direct quote, was that this was done as revenge on the AN for crashing Inlibber’s sims and whatnot since it was claimed the Lindens would do nothing. Intlibber’s defense was that he helped fund the venture but his involvement ended when he handed things over to the Woodbury /b/tards, which is a pretty shaky defense knowing that the /b/tards would push things very far. Intlibber then came out, after the fact, to sate that he did not condone what the Woodbury /b/tards did with Tizzers Foxchase as one of the people at the helm (she was suspended for her involvement in this Furry Death Camp.) It’s somewhat funny that just now Intlibbers brings in PR person to try to handle things, but I believe his hand in this will always follow him. Here’s a polite suggestion PR person, please don’t defend Intlibber and his company, just please step away before you get in too deep. I generally mean this Miss Madelena Rossini, don’t be dragged down by all this with everyone else.

  44. Prokofy Neva

    Jul 11th, 2007

    >Prokofy, the day you can produce some solid proof that I have done more than just “stand there” or “rented your house” is the day I will bow down to your almighty knowledge of the universe and declare that you’ve won. I married Hazim because I think he’s a HILARIOUS kid and is extremely intelligent. I’m sick of having to answer to you and your clique. Woodbury is going to operate how it wants without you or anybody else’s commentary. Welcome to the free world.

    Renting the house is part of the criminal complicity, and is part of a griefing intent conspiring to get resident permissions and use membership of the group to harass furries and others.

    You might do well to read up on this concept here, for example:
    http://forensic-evidence.com/site/Police/guilty_presence.html

    “In order to convict a defendant on an accountability theory for a crime committed by another, the prosecution must present evidence which establishes beyond a reasonable doubt that the defendant was not just present at the scene of a crime with knowledge the crime was going to occur, but that the defendant shared the criminal intent of the principal, or that there was a common criminal design which included the defendant.”

    You’ve sunk yourself here and elsewhere by acknowledging that you joined, supervised, invited, celebrated, b/tards and give that their criminal intent in making at least 2 sub-groups for griefing was known to you, you might well find yourself liable.

    Second Life isn’t real life; the Lindens both do more and do less when it comes to establishing criminal conspiracy. And of course, each state/country might parse these issues differently.

    There is a moral code, however, from the Judeo-Christian heritage that makes our civilization, which informs the law and people’s morals. It includes the concept of “holding the cloak” (Acts 7:58), or “laying robes at the feet of,” i.e. when Saul of Tarsis (who became St. Paul) guarded the robes of those who stoned St. Stephen. Somehow, I think you are a good long ways from Damascus…

    >For those people that actually believe the rubbish that Prokofy makes up, who is more foolish… the fool or the fool that follows?
    I’m done replying to this crap. Goodbye, adios, sayonara, auf wiedersehn, do svidaniya.

    The questions remain unanswered, and the criminal intent to grief clear!

  45. Anonymous

    Jul 11th, 2007

    >I’m not obsessed, I’m merely reporting on a story that YOU asked to get to the bottom of in April, and I’ve stayed on it, and remained skeptical, and looked for objectivity, something you’ve abandoned as you’ve been shilled and taken in by these professional flatterers.

    lol what I never asked for a story, and I doubt many people did either, you got pissed because someone stepped on your e-lawn.

    >When they begin to grief me for my reportage, I take an even more keen interest!

    It’s not that, it’s because you rave on about batshit crazy shit. get over yourself.

    >She’s the administrator of Woodbury, and if she were acting in good faith, she’d have all these people banned, and wouldn’t have her sim crashed, now, would she? She’d be asking the Lindens for help, instead of accusing them of taking away her academic freedom now, wouldn’t she.

    Ah yes, because she can be there 24/7. Oh and when griefers crash your sim when you’re not there, well that’s your fault too then, huh?

    >If she’s “actually against them,” why did she a) take payments from them b) invite them to form a base and c) — most importantly, in fact start out as a b/tard of even high ranking, we’re told, whitewashing the new nature of the group with the most devious of them.

    a) never happened, intlibber clarified this, he was horribly misinformed, besides, it’s an educational institution with a 25k institution in hollywood that could easily buy several islands if it wanted to, why would she need money from them? also, why would they pay her when they could buy their own shit if they had such money? Oh right they dont.
    b) There was never a base at woodbury for them, again, this was misinformation provided to intlibber by some biased sources who wanted to see SOMEONE burn for peace of mind. The PN stopped making bases after their last fort in the game was demolished. They got smart and moved their base of operations outside of the game. everyone who knows anything knows this. c) she is a /b/tard, and she’s highly respected. your point? oh yeah, you think /b/tard = PN. this is very false. it isnt all black and white prok.

    >And spare me the intel reports about how PN and v5 and Woodbury Security are all different. Any child can see the textures, lingo, MOs, duh. They’re all in it together.

    Common cultural connections, many of them do share one common ground. 4chan’s /b/ board, however, not all /b/ are griefers. woodbury /b/tards = good /b/ PN and v5 = bad /b/ there is a difference.

    >What I don’t see is why YOU, an avowed Snowcrasher elite ancapper, whould be making cause with these hooligans. Unless it’s expedient to help you rid the grid of people who expose your evil ideology. Hmm, that could be it!

    ..WHAT.

    >Yes, google “Penguin” as in “Penguin Group” and the phrase “U.S. international policy” and hey, what a coinkydink, eh?
    http://browse.barnesandnoble.com/browse/nav.asp?visgrp=nonfiction&N=1138482&Ne=1137470+1138482&z=y

    …What the fuck are you going on about?

    >I realize you conspiratists love to leave little trails of clues around like that.

    Uh. no. You read into a meaningless comment, I thought of the most obscure thing the US military or administration could possibly be involved in. There was no subtle comment, you created that in your own mind.

    >Rolls eyes. I would think that in this day and age, this sort of intolerance, and language right out of the 1950s like “latent homosexual” would be inexcusable in discourse. Apparently not.

    I CALL THAT DODGING THE QUESTION. what intolerance? I’m serious, you seem to be in the closet on this one, and reading down since you say you’re not an alcy, this must be the case!

    >Actually, I don’t drink, and this concept that I’m somehow an alcoholic cat lady in need of psychiatric assistance is risible.

    Well if you arent a wino, then the above is the most logical explanation for your obsession for tizzers, you also want her to eat you. hrmm, pretty questionable.

    Oh, and everyone sees you need mental help. just fyi. it isnt a rumor or a notion, everyone knows this.

    >I hardly think I take SL as seriously as someone with a mutant and devious strain of the RL libertarian movement does founding all kinds of “investment” and “security” groups in SL. My God, must not leave much time for a REAL JOB.

    I have a real job. Also, I’m not who you think I am. lol. I’m as far from who you think I am as you can get lol.

    >I think psychiatrists don’t undertake to “cure” homosexuality, nor do they even attempt to cure “latent homosexuality” which I don’t think is a valid diagnosis out of the DMV these days.

    Never said they do, I’m talking about your other problem, such as your delusions of grandeur, your obsessive behavior, and your general paranoia thinking everyone is out to get you.

    >As I rarely drink, and am not paranoid, I can only conclude that I’ve hit home here with these articles and rest my case.

    ..not paranoid. LOL OH MY GOD YOU ARE SUCH A COMIC GENIUS, GIVE HER A HAND EVERYONE.

    Also you managed to hit home with a ball of mud. now clean it off the side of my fucking house. it smells strongly of feces.

  46. Like2Drive Ferraris

    Jul 11th, 2007

    >As I rarely drink, and am not paranoid, I can only conclude that I’ve hit home here with these articles and rest my case.

    Yeah all good journalists make up crazy theories and try to prove them with rumours and hearsay too.

  47. Prokofy Neva

    Jul 11th, 2007

    > she is a /b/tard, and she’s highly respected.

    Glad we’ve established THAT point! In case anyone doubted it!

    >And spare me the intel reports about how PN and v5 and Woodbury Security are all different. Any child can see the textures, lingo, MOs, duh. They’re all in it together.

    >Common cultural connections, many of them do share one common ground. 4chan’s /b/ board, however, not all /b/ are griefers. woodbury /b/tards = good /b/ PN and v5 = bad /b/ there is a difference.

    There is no categorical difference between Satyr and Woodbury. Both are confiscated. For cause.

  48. Coincidental Avatar

    Jul 11th, 2007

    About the conspiracy theory of very dumb terrorism testing. History and modern world is full of live data on terrorism, but anyway, if somebody has too much money, any funding is possible in America.

    But until proven otherwise, I think that this terrorism testing thing was just a story made up by a liar to distract from he/her.

    What comes to Intblubber, he repeats this I-am-on-your-side tactics to spy and deceive. It so easy to flirt with Mother-Prokofy by saying: “I’m anti-Leninist too!”. Lindens will hear: “I am anti-Anshe Chung too!” Really? What a nice surprise. Maybe he became more anti-Anshe Chung when she wanted her monies back.

    His racist anti-Asian position is a little bit difficult, because 10% of the readers of Second Lie&Heresy come from Asia, in addition to the significant Asian population in the USA too.

  49. The One

    Jul 11th, 2007

    Have you ever thought that you may be contributing to escalating all this “griefer activity” yourself by continuously stoking the fire? Why not let the fire extinguish itself and stop talking about Woodbury- just go through the normal channels of reporting and stop stirring this kind of stuff up. One need only to look at the comments to see that the ones involving Woodbury are disproportionately more replied to than almost any other story– or is this what the Second Life Herald wants?

    Calling people Leninists, conspirators, griefers, and a whole slew of other things aren’t exactly polite tea party conversation. In fact, I’d think they’re pretty similar to something called “fighting words”:
    http://americandefenseleague.com/fightwds.htm

    The limits to free speech apply to everyone, including editorials.

  50. A & G

    Jul 11th, 2007

    Why do people need second life?

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