LL Slashes Land Prices — Landowners Scream In Pain
by Alphaville Herald on 08/04/08 at 12:08 am
Early adopters may have difficulty recovering investments
by Pixeleen Mistral, National Affairs desk
Buy now before the price drop! USD$1650 sims to be USD$1000 by the end of the month.
Today, Jack Linden announced significant price cuts in new virtual land created by Linden Lab as part of it’s Second Life entertainment product. Previously, a simulated region of 65,535 m2 of mainland was offered at auction starting at USD $1250, but going forward, one sim of imaginary land assets will be placed on auction starting at USD $750 – a price drop of 40%. As of the end of this month, new islands will be available at the Linden Land Store for USD$1000 – currently islands are priced at $1675.
While initial purchase prices were slashed, the ongoing fees to retain “ownership” of the e-land are not affected – leading observers to speculate that Linden Lab is forgoing some immediate revenue to secure more monthly land tier payments.
Reaction to the move was swift, vigorous, and divided between the landless fanboi contingent and current landowners. Those who have purchased land are understandably concerned that a significant portion of their investment has been wiped out – literally overnight. A few residents suggested that this is another pre-IPO buff-’n-shine job similar to the notorious trademark controversy — benefitting the Lab at the expense of it’s most loyal customers.
Other residents reacted with glee at the prospect of “sticking it to the land barons” and buying even more land for less money. However, the carrying costs of Linden land is significant – USD $300/month per sim for new landowners, so while cuts in the purchase price may look appealing, the long term costs of virtual land from metaverse service provider Linden Lab are significant. How sustainable this is in the face of increased competition is unclear.
While we may never know the real reason for the sudden price cut, it seems likely that the Lindens are reacting to a combination of factors including other metaverse service providers such as OpenSim, a weak RL economy in the USA, and a business model that demands continuous expansion.
Perhaps the mood of the community was summarized best by Spontaneous Radio, who said, “Who is making these decisions at LL, “The Love Machine”. You call tier a maintance fee and what does it maintain? The grid is only maintaining a decrease in quality. I can TP half the time, residents can’t even pay us estate owners tier cause transactions fail. My avatar has its head up its ass, and now I see that my avatar isnt the only thing like that. The only part of your system that has not failed is billing, that is always on time. 13,000 private islands over 3 million dollars a month in maintance fees and you can’t even provide a grid that works. You have sold about 10000+ islands in the since you raided the price in Nov 06 and now you have lowered the price. another 7 million dollars that you took from resident and the grid gets worse.”
Digital Digital
Apr 8th, 2008
I think this is a great move but as a sim owner, I’m a little disappointed.
Theta Fargis
Apr 8th, 2008
Second Life can take its place as the most evolved destination on The Intersim or it can go the way of America Online, slowly asphyxiating itself until it is no longer relevant.
Marc Woebegone
Apr 8th, 2008
Just don’t know what to say!!!! Guess I got lucky they booted me so I didn’t get caught with thumb up my bum!
Guess that’s what happens when IBM gets involved instead of Apple; had it been Apple, the creative juices would have continued to flow and the grid would have had a chance to become something. Now, all one can see is black and big IBM LETTERS…… Profky’s getting what he / she deserves…. I’ll sleep well tonight.
LMAO!
MW
Bruno Ziskey
Apr 8th, 2008
It’s about time, now we can actually afford sims more.
Tenshi Vielle
Apr 8th, 2008
I smell desperation. Aren’t you happy you sold your sims already, P?
hmm
Apr 8th, 2008
I guess you’re right.
If Apple was the predominant company, prices would have gone UP, instead.
Mr. Piddles
Apr 8th, 2008
I have to say I’m not too upset about this. Lower startup costs for sims mean that more people will be able to buy them. That’s a pretty straightforward outcome. I’d have bought a sim long before now, if they were a bit less expensive. But unless something was left out of the main article above, tier costs are going to remain the same? So, if that’s the case, ‘land barons’ won’t lose any business at all, I’d think. In fact, for land barons it’s suddenly cheaper to acquire new land to sell, for which they may receive a lower purchase price from individual buyers, but for which they will continue to be paid a handsome sum on a weekly basis. And it would seem that most ‘land barons’ operate a business model where a big piece of their ongoing income derives from mark-ups on tier. If they pay $300 a month to maintain a sim, and the sum total of their monthly rent income on that sim is even as low as $400, they clear $100 for doing essentially nothing. Sorry, but I just can’t shed a tear for such people.
Also, I think it’s probably not the healthiest attitude to immediately worry about how this market correction – and that’s what it really seems to be – affects the fatcats. I really don’t care how it affects the Anshe Chungs, as long as it means less expensive means by which individual people can have their own sim. I have nothing against the early adopters like Chung, who had the foresight to realize a new market niche in SL and exploit that niche to earn a pretty penny. Good luck to them, I say. But part of being an entrepreneur is taking a risk that the market might not always support your dreams of profit. Things change, and no one should be guaranteed eternal riches. Some small-time ‘land barons’ might fold, some will sell off their 20 sims to 20 people who just want their own island. And so it goes.
Nacon
Apr 8th, 2008
What? you don’t expect lower prices? How retarded do you have to be? You should know that all computer’s value goes down because there are newer computer out there. Meaning those servers are OLD! (idiots)
And of course, it’s a good thing to have lower prices. Screw the sim owners anyway.
shockwave yareach
Apr 8th, 2008
Nobody is ever guaranteed that their investment will be profitable or even break even. Period. Anyone who bought land or islands in SL thinking they were guaranteed to get their money back is foolish. All of you who bought SGI or SUN stock in the mid 90s, did you get YOUR money back? I suppose all the speculators who built all those empty condos in Miami will get every nickle back as well?
Two ways to look at land in SL – business or pleasure. If you bought land to have fun then you are still having fun with it regardless of what it costs today. That 8800GT costs less today, and you are still having fun with it, right? It’s only a loss if you sell it. And if you view it from a business pov, any loss on investment in a business is deductable from your income tax. Of course, taking such a direction means your income from SL is taxable too.
Prokofy Neva
Apr 8th, 2008
Did Pixeleen get an early tip-off from her secret Linden squeeze to dump her land before this announcement? Good for her!
Many people don’t get it about land barons. Marc Begone himself doesn’t get it about land barons, which is why he did lousy at it. Land barons don’t care what the prices of land is. They only care about their margins. If it is cheap, they’ll buy more and mark it less and make X margin of profit. If it is expensive they will buy less and still make X margin of profit. They don’t care. The only problem is the 30-day cycle and an announcement like this that wipes out 40 percent of a holdings’ value overnight. It could have been staged better, but the Lindens have all kinds of exigencies as I explain in my blog articles.
I fail to see why I “get what I deserve” or why anything changes THAT much. I’m protesting vigourously because they make decisions without us, and I see a much worse problem about the whole IBM thing in the artificially and massive pump that IBM’s relationship gives to OpenSim and opensourcing of SL’s software. That’s much more of a problem than some corporate suits behind a firewall per se. They’ve always been behind a firewall.
People might ditch some of my rentals to go buy land now that it is cheaper — but that’s a cycle I’m very familiar with for a very long time and don’t expand at anything but the tiniest rate as a result. And while people then many go out and buy cheap land, whoops, then they keep paying the same tier. Then they realize that if they rent, they can have the same land and less tier. Then they try to sell their land — whoops.
At this point, with this massive price drop, the message that your land, when you buy it, cannot be resold, has really, really burned in. It won’t be part of the immediate lore of those coming in new now, but they’ll figure it out like everybody else has figured it out when it cycles through against them.
IT’s just far more massive now, and the glut may also occur with a continued slump in memberships, I just don’t know. The Lindens need to get up mainland premiums and also mainland and island maintenance and this is how they are doing it.
Hiro Pendragon
Apr 8th, 2008
Wow, you mean… over time the cost of computers drops? SHOCKING!
Rockwell Ginsberg
Apr 8th, 2008
Yes Prok, interesting timing on PM’s part. I took those two sims off her hands, and (regrettably and greedily) held on for too high a price until this crash happened. So I dumped them for a $400 loss. Not blaming that on her, I wanted to sell first and ask questions later, but her timing is most curious…
Cockhoenut Koala
Apr 8th, 2008
WELCOME TO THE WORLD OF TECHNOLOGY.
WHERE EVER GROWING COMPUTER PERFORMANCE ALWAYS CAUSES A DROP IN COSTS.
so don’t whine.
And also, the cost that dropped is the cost that matters least. Who cares if it costs $1000 or $1675, either way, when you sell the sim, you try and make most of that back. But for those of us who hoped to resell sims bought near $1675 will have to take a loss. It is the TIER that adds up over time.
Witness X
Apr 8th, 2008
Prokofy, what is wrong with your head that you have to invent these worthless conspiracies? Pixeleen makes her trade off of this journal which could be shut down any second for trademark infringement. The trademark rules were every bit as bad as this announcement, if not more so for her as well as any other residents who operate using the trademarked terms.Would you accuse Jewish residents who sold their land in Germany just after Hitler took over of trying to keep their profits if the value coincidentally dropped after?
Prokofy Neva
Apr 8th, 2008
No, Hiro, the cost of computers didn’t come down by 60 percent or even 40 percent overnight. Duh. Don’t be a friggin ass. The cost of simulating land in people’s imaginations came down drastically by 60 percent because other people who can perform the service of simulating land in people’s minds are threatening that first set of people with their fantasy light and shadow show. That’s all. No computer actually got cheaper; no server rental cost; no programmer’s salary. If anything, those will get more expensive. Server costs, if they came down, didn’t come down all today in 60 percent of a drop.
No, what came down was the Lindens’ willingness to hold value, allow value to accrue, and provide a check and balance against their own creator and engineer classes in their corporativist scheme. Trust me, when this whole thing plays out over the next year, my analysis if this will not sound unlike oh, Smoke Wijaya’s lol.
Prokofy Neva
Apr 8th, 2008
Did Pixeleen get a notice from the Lab that they want the Herald to take down its use of the mark? If so, they ought to refer the lab to secondlife.reuters.com that didn’t take its use of the mark down, and have some fun with hit. And wait. And dicker over it. And maybe throw a pro bono lawyer at it. Because the Lindens are not likely to pursue it that heavily if it doesn’t directly seem to occur in an advertising capacity.
Pixeleen could just change the name and logo and ignore them and call it the Metaverse Herald, and start covering all the other worlds more.
Pixeleen should be asked if she got a tip just like any person of power needs to be asked who appears to have sold their land handily or changed their trademark handily well before these events.
For example, FlipperPAY and other Sheep like Tenshe and anyone in the OnRez gang — did you have any early indication of this zealous pursuit of trademark against those with SL in their name like SL Boutique?
As for Jews selling their land in Germany, the analogy doesn’t hold at all, unless I’m supposed to ask whether Pixeleen is Jewish, but I hardly see that as relevant. Obviously Jews seeing Hitler take over have a very heavy signal to sell their land. Jews not knowing that Hitler is going to take over a year before he does can’t know unless they get a special signal.
anon
Apr 8th, 2008
@Rockwell Ginsberg
I don’t think you need anyone to tell you that a lot of people are concerned about what the lab has been doing as of late. I also don’t think I need to tell you that this trademark crap is really bad for the herald and has infuriated a *TON* of people.
Don’t sit there and blame other people because you got the short end of the stick on this deal. No one had any way of knowing it would end up like this. Frankly, I’m surprised she held on to those sims for so long. As someone who has been around SL for years and has been watching the platform slowly deteriorate she had noticed that things are awry much sooner than most of us.
Most herald contributors felt the same way it seems but pix wasn’t running a business on that land or anything unlike people like Prokofy who have retained their land.
It’s funny how the people who are hating on pix here all seem to be people who now wish they had dumped their shit too. I guess that means the two of you should know who to be angry at then….
Giant Fucking Penguin
Apr 8th, 2008
The KGB is coming for you prok. I’m srs. They’re gonna abduct you and give you anal probes and everything. The leninists are everywhere trying to take over America and Second Life as part of their super sekrit plan to crash the economy and make d3adlyc0d3c president <3
whisper2u
Apr 8th, 2008
You are right Cockhoenut. The burden of Sim ownership is how it costs USD$3600 a year in Tier to play. The first year of Sim ownership at the old prices: $5275 U.S to play… (the cost of a new Mazsda RX7 sports car in 1975) The first year of Sim ownership at the new prices: $4600 to play… Not that big of a difference.
If you take the long view and look into the second year: $3600 either way…
Now there IS one way to look at this where the lower INITIAL sim cost MIGHT make a difference: To those who have dreams of starting some kind of Business on their Sim which will IN THEIR HOPEFULL HEARTS generate enough income to at least cover the monthly Sim Tier and break even… To those players of the SL game the nearly Half Off sale prices for new Simulators probably is a big thing.
And thats what I think LL is playing at: Lureing in those SL members who have dreams of buying a sim and putting their UBER SUCCESSFUL business dream into play which will no doubt start paying off in LINDEN LOLLY so fast that they probably won’t have to cover any more than oh… 1 or at the most 2 months of Tier out of their own pockets before said UBER SUCCESSFUL plan really kicks in and covers things. Yahuh, right. Good luck baby.
If Land Barons usually buy Used Land, Land Barons being another player in this senario too because they think they have an inexhaustable UBER SUCCESSFUL business idea too, those Used Simulators they buy already exist and LL isn’t going to get to take in the initial $1000 U.S on their activity, which makes me think they are after new first time Sim owners with the big dreams of business success.
And then by month 4 when the new sim owner has worked their rear end off and made say 50 bucks U.S the picture starts to change and then in steps the WE BUY LAND barons to save the day and take away the nasty land that is running the new Sim owner to the poor house, for pennies on the dollar… and then the whole Cycle plays out again…
WHEW MY HEAD IS SPINNING… what kind of a Black Hole Vortex Trap has Linden Labs created here anyway?? Second Life…
The little devil who is sitting on my left shoulder is urging me to say one more thing (darn you little devil): If you take $300 U.S dollars and go to tigerDirect.com and buy a Blowout AMD Desktop computer, (instead of the $1000 U.S. that LL wants to charge you) you could have your very own 25 sims and 375,000 prims, and NO TIER TO PAY EVER if you dedicate it to being an OpenSim server… and then you would have your own giant private sandbox, or you could connect to one of the new growing, free, GRIDS that are expanding fast right now…
Hummm… decisions, decisions…
Ari
Apr 8th, 2008
LOL
If APPLE got involved instead of IBM – shit would *just work*.
As for this “land” price drop, I just love how estate owners are whining that the ‘value’ of their estates have just dropped.
Yo, idiots: you only lose money if your SELL. Pffft.
My opine here:
http://slreview.wordpress.com/2008/04/08/estate-oweners-lose-big-omg-pffft/
pn
Apr 8th, 2008
Prococksuckerfy says “I’m protesting vigourously because they make decisions without us”
hey moron, they are a private company and dont have to ask anyone anything.
Tenshi Vielle
Apr 8th, 2008
Hay Prok, KGB called me looking for you.
DinkyHockerShootsSmack!
Apr 8th, 2008
Hay Tenshi, The ex-Governor of NY called me looking for you.
Prokofy Neva
Apr 8th, 2008
HURRRR. HOW DO I LOST SPACEBUX ON LAND SALES?
Spankubux
Apr 8th, 2008
Marc Woebegone: steal anything lately?
Witness X
Apr 8th, 2008
The analogy doesn’t hold up because you don’t use your brain. Let6 me break it down for dumb little kitty lady.
Hitler takes over Germany = Bad Environment for Jews
LL Clamps down on trademarks= Bad environment for Pixeleen
Jews sell land, Pixeleen sells land
Here, according to you:
Falling SL Land Prices = Pixeleen got insider trading tip in advance
Which, following the analogy would be equivalant to
Falling German Land Prices = Jews got insider trading tip
Can you see where your ramblign lgoic fails?
Hiro Pendragon
Apr 9th, 2008
“the cost of computers didn’t come down by 60 percent or even 40 percent overnight.”
No, more like 18 months. Say, isn’t Second Life 6+ years old?
Marc Woebegone
Apr 9th, 2008
Hey Spankubux Linden:
When did the company let you off the teen grid?
MW
Ava Cartier
Apr 9th, 2008
You do know that as soon as you bring Hitler into the argument, you’ve lost it?
Spankubux
Apr 9th, 2008
MW: Do you steal from your clients too?
Cockhoenut Koala
Apr 9th, 2008
Prokofy lost it long before she started making Hitler comparisons.
She must be listening to the Hymn of the Russian Federation too much.
Witness X
Apr 9th, 2008
In other words, Ava, you have no idea how to counter the argument. In what way is that losing?
Linda Zhao
Apr 9th, 2008
This has more of an impact on estates then on mainland sims. Mainland sims never sold for the $1500 starting bid anyway. They sell for slightly less than what that land can be resold for in world after being carved up. A nice beach sim today goes for about $3000 at auction and can be resold in world for $3500 to $4000 in equivalen lindens. I don’t see why that would automatically change just because they lowered the initial bid price.
Linda Zhao
Apr 9th, 2008
Whisper2u, how do you find these open grids?
Aya Pelous
Apr 9th, 2008
Oh god. its ridiculous how everyone is screaming about OWNing something. So what? A price drop thats great. Gets more people in the market, and well why not have more competition with other mall owners or club owners? Why not? Why is it so hard to accept that YOU wont be the only one with a club/sim/mall. Everyone is different. Let them buy land and let them be merry
JustHad ToSayIt
Apr 9th, 2008
Booohoooo!! Its funny how those who say everything should be dictated by the “market” are now crying foul. If the “market” had dropped overnight the result would have been the same – would you have cried then too? or is it only fair when the market makes your holdings worth more? All LL did was simulate a market drop, and well it is a simulated world, a simulated market and simulated land – so why not if it lowers the cost of ownership. You are crying over 2 months tier and there is already a bail-out offer for those caught near the deadline that is more than generous.
Those who purchased much earlier are crying about the lose of potential profits, well tough, profits are never guaranteed so stop crying about it – you made your money back already plus more. If you didn’t then you got bigger problems than this to worry about, like why your business plan is not working for you anyway.
Prokofy Neva
Apr 9th, 2008
Witness, Hitler is irrelevant.
Fact: Pixeleen managed to get rid of her laggy sailing land for a good price moments before the Lindens announced slashed land prices and announced a coming glut.
Question: Did Pixeleen get any insider tips?
That’s all. Yes or no. No need to reach back into the 1930s, when you can just ask: did he or not? End of story.
I find it totally childish to be getting rid of land over the trademark thing when nothing happened. It should have been saved up for a dramatic action when/if the Lindens did anything.
Happy Camper
Apr 10th, 2008
Offers kleenex to the crybabies….
This is a good thing coming from Linden Lab. If more people can own islands, that’s great.
And if you people can’t stomach risks in making an “investment” (and I am using that term loosely with regards to SL) then get out. Go put your money in a Treasury bond or a Certificate of Deposit. What are you doing with thousands of dollars of real-life grocery money or mortgage payments or rent that you can’t afford to lose???
Ric Mollor
Apr 10th, 2008
The grid list for OpenSim servers is at http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Grid_List
I believe that only the OSgrid network will allow anyone attach a privately hosted sim to their grid. However, since this is a rapidly changing field, others may allow this in near future.
All grids can be connected to by the standard Secondlife viewer.
Several grids are currently offering free sims ($0 startup & $0 tier), however that too may change at any moment.
A turnkey setup of the OpenSim project for Windows is at http://www.openlifegrid.com/Support/Downloads/tabid/67/Default.aspx for those that wish to run a sim on their own PC. It is possible to run both the simulator and the viewer on a single PC.
Witness X
Apr 10th, 2008
You saying it’s irrelevant does not cancel the argument. It is very relevant because the analogy shows you why asking that question makes you an idiot. You want an answer to your foolish question?
NO
No, no, no, no, no.
She sold her land because the area was hostile for her. The land drop afterwards was coincidental.
Let me break it down again so your simple little brain can process it.
Hitler=LL
Jews=Pixeleen and co.
Take over of Germany=Clamp Down on trademarks
Follow the analogy like one of your cats would follow a mouse. Pixeleen dumped her land because the territory was becoming too hostile for her. She left while she had the opportunity, much like most Jews tried to dump their land and get the hell out of Germany right after Hitler took power. After both events, the prices of the land dropped significantly. Did they get insider tips? No, the obvious tips that the place was becoming hostile was enough of a tip to get out of Dodge.
On a more economic note, Do you know what causes land prices to fall? TOO MANY PEOPLE SELLING THEIR LAND! If there is an overload on the market, then obviously there’s no way to sell at full price. This happens in any market where supply out paces demand. Mainland people, including Pixeleen are dumping their land as they are aware that the company is going into a serious downward spiral. This is leading to a large increase in available land, which is naturally going to lead to lower prices. When these lower prices become sufficient enough to give LL competition, even they must lower their prices.Mainland people dumping their land, coupled with far too many of those CSI islands means there is far too much supply, so they must take steps to increase demand. Pixeleen is not following some insider tip, Prok. She’s just part of the cause.
Your problem is that you’re so damn busy looking under the table for a shady deal, you can’t see what’s sitting on the table itself. Pull your head out from under the tablecloth for five minutes and see what’s going on in broad daylight. You jsut might learn something.
RO
Apr 10th, 2008
What until everyone paying hard money for sims/tier and memebership fees in SL finds out that the memebership numbers are being cooked by something near 25% or more. LL may not be involved with this directly but the fact remains that its happening and LL is not enforcing the TOS to stop it. Could this be another hidden part of the new shine job being pushed forward due to a future IPO move or just an oversight. I really hope its the later!
Its also interesting to see this move by LL comes just days after a conference of Metaspace service providers in New York City. You think theres some heat being felt in San Fran to keep market share?
DinkyHockerShootsSmack!
Apr 10th, 2008
“That’s all. Yes or no. No need to reach back into the 1930s, when you can just ask: did he or not? End of story.”
“HE”? OMG! THAT’S AVATAR MURDER! Fucking hypocritical cow.
Once again Prok shows us what a lying, double-talking asshole he is.
CAN’T POST ON MY BLOG WITHOUT AN SL NAME! Unless you disagree with me, then I’ll just ban you anyway, even if you have an SL name – I’ll claim it’s not well-known enough.
That’s ok Prokky-child, you’ve got your little crazy-corner blog down to just your sycophantic amen choir, Anne The’Tool and the rest of the hangers-on who think they are better and smarter than the rest of us. Oh how thought provokying that blog is – where you either have to kiss the blogger’s ass or you’re booted. Isn’t that what Prok screams about in OTHER blogs? Yeah, he does. He must feel very proud about how he sanitizes any disagreement from that tinfoil coated blog.
Hypocrite.
And cry me a river about prices. It isn’t a diabolical plan, screwhead. Did you know that components for computers have dropped fairly significantly in recent months? No, you wouldn’t, because you’re a potato chip and diet coke eating end user who thinks he knows it all but really has no fucking clue. Like a freshly caught carp laying on the banks, too stupid to realize he is dying of hypoxia.
Rip
Apr 10th, 2008
What you want bet that SL sim prices come down even more at the end of 2008? That will be just about the time the opensim platform project will be out of alpha testing and into beta! Those of you that are interested in learning more about OSP can go here to the main Wiki…. http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Main_Page
Prokofy Neva
Apr 10th, 2008
Witness, you are a damned fool, plain and simple. Anyone who could possibly find fault with my reasoning is, to be completely blunt, dumb as a post. Why don’t you do us all a favor and just drop dead, you stupid little griefer. You can try to justify yourself however you want, but at the end of the day the fact remains that I am right and you are wrong, and that’s how it’s always going to be until you try using your little brain.
Oh, and for the last time, I hate cats.
Prokofy Neva
Apr 10th, 2008
>Did you know that components for computers have dropped fairly significantly in recent months? No, you wouldn’t, because you’re a potato chip and diet coke eating end user who thinks he knows it all but really has no fucking clue. Like a freshly caught carp laying on the banks, too stupid to realize he is dying of hypoxia.
Uh…so they dropped 60 percent, did they? Links please?
Prokofy Neva
Apr 10th, 2008
April 10, 2008 at 06:30 PM — that’s not me at that post, an impostor.
Prokofy Neva
Apr 10th, 2008
I need a Premium Herald Account (TM) that provides me with editorial certification based on my known IP number range that my posts are really from me. I’m sure many would like to take advantage of the gold-plated certified Herald subscription that provides IP Certificated Posts (TM) and also an annual cocktail party on the Herald yacht.
Witness X
Apr 11th, 2008
In other words, Prokofy, you didn’t get the flocks of loyal subjects agreeing with you so, lacking the ability to delete your previous words, you’d rather say it was another conspiracy? Does it ever end with you?
Reality
Apr 11th, 2008
considering that I can build a PC with enough power to run Second Life at a comfortable frame rate for less than a thousand dollars ….
Prokofy Dearie – look it all up yourself.
Rip
Apr 11th, 2008
Passes Prokofy the exlax, you seem to need this more than we do your Wordyness! Proky Ive seen your comments all over the Blogs and to a person, no one seems to like you, why is that? Oh Well! Try the exlax maybe it will help!