Rapist, At Your Service, Madam
by Alphaville Herald on 08/04/09 at 11:22 pm
by Alessandra Narayan
Roleplay themes are always controversial, right? Especially when it comes to sex and even so morewhen it’s about rough sex, hardcore, and reaching the imaginary worldof forbidden fantasies.
Of course everyone knows there are certain thingsyou must do to keep it safe - starting with not being specific about reallife details. Also, everyone should know that roleplay in Second Life is absolutelyconsensual: you don’t have to visit those areas, you can avoid them,you can teleport away if the guy/girl you’re playing with is a totalasshole, you can report him/her to Linden Labs, you can simply mutethem. What else do you need?
Anyway, I’ve decided to interview one avery talented roleplayer, Mr. Rendell Carter, an expert inrape as he usually spends his time at«The Mansion» or «Republic of Hayao».
Is his RP personality scary?Yes, of course. But in this interview, Rendell explains the big differencesand the long paths going from fantasy to reality.
Alessandra Narayan(AN) – What do you like most in SL?
Rendell Carter(RC) – The most interesting aspect of SL is that it’s a sort ofgiant laboratory in which the following question is posed: «How mightwomen act if they were invulnerable and anonymous?»
AN– Acting invulnerable and anonymous…how does that make you feel?
RC– I’m invulnerable and anonymous, too… of course. But I thinkthe interesting point is how it makes the women around me feel. Mentypically are «safe» compared to women – less concerned with ourown security, so the difference in behavior is, I think, somewhat different!
AN– So, the most interesting thing on SL for you is women’s behavior?
RC– Well… in a sense. Their behavior as a way of understandingtheir minds. Another key aspect, of course, is that the women who haveordinary bodies in 1st Life can have whatever body they wish to here.
AN– Is your second life totally dedicated to roleplaying?
RC– Yes, that’s kind of a title there. Of course, things go wrong– sometimes in a funny way. Rendell may set out to rape someone, slipon a banana peel and knock himself out. One of the women may get theupper hand… various scenarios occur – but certainly I’m always «after»sex… of some rather dark sort or another.
AN– Do you play other roles besides rapist in other sims/RP scenariosfor example?
RC– There are shades of things here. Certainly I’m almost alwaysthe sexual aggressor. Certainly in the two or three places I play regularly,the deck is stacked so that the women are likely to be my victims, ratherthan my lovers. On the other hand, I spend a lot of time in sexual RPplaygrounds simply reading profiles and chatting with folks – so Iguess, since that’s not really RP, I must amend my answer… probably60% of my time is spent RP’ing sex scenarios, and the rest is spentsimply chatting OOC, while my avatar stands and looks vacantly.
AN– Why your preference on rape? Why choosing such an unattractive AV?
RC– When I first appeared in SL, I had the default avatar… andI looked around. «Everyone» looked like a superhero in Armani.
AN– And the preference for being a sexual agressor, a rapist?
RC– Rendell is the sort of manifestation of my darker fantasies,particularly my early adolescence … an aggressive, oversexed man whocan force the frustratingly/uncooperative women around him to come across.I sort of backed into this: I was touring the various places in SL thatwere labeled «Adult» and found the Mansion. I observed for a few days,found myself interested, and found myself acting as the other men did,but maybe more coarsely!
AN– When you go to public places and people read your profile… wereyou ever insulted for roleplaying as a rapist?
RC– Oddly, no. There was one griefer who appeared in the mansionand IM’ed me on that point, but it wasn’t «public» in that sense.Let me say that it would be a little like being mean to Anthony Hopkins,the actor who played a cannibalistic murderer in «Silence of the Lambs».He’s not really a cannibal. I’m not really a rapist.
AN – Whatare your thoughts about LL’s concerns on some hardcore/mature sims?New restrictions seem to be coming up…
RC– I discovered RP on SL, and became kind of a specialist here.But the nature of 21st century communication is that socialnetworks of various sorts get created, linked up, and break down ina fashion unimaginable just 30 years ago. If the Lindens restrict SLtoo much, folks will go elsewhere. I don’t fully understand the restrictionsthat people have talked about, but as near as I can tell, they hopeto segregate adult content without otherwise interfering with it. «If»that’s all they’re doing, I’m OK with it.
Humble Rations
Apr 8th, 2009
No no no! You misread his profile! He’s a “Therapist” not “the rapist”.
mootykips
Apr 9th, 2009
LET ME TELL YOU A LITTLE ABOUT BEING A “RAPE EXPERT”. YOU SEE IT ALL STARTED TEN YEARS AGO IN BOLIVIA,
TheVoiceOfReason
Apr 9th, 2009
Wow, This guy needs a therapist. Fast.
Alyx Stoklitsky
Apr 9th, 2009
tl;dr, huge numbers of women have rape fantasies. Yes, we know.
Voice of Reality
Apr 9th, 2009
Voice of Reason – Why would he need a therapist?
If having these kind of fantasies calls for therapy, then I’m sure that 70% of the planet’s population would need some serious therapy. Everyone has had, has, or will have thoughts that run in this direction, if not more gruesome and horrible then rape.
In my opinion, people who see a problem with this kind of fantasy and roleplay, are the ones in need of professional help. Being unable to see the very clear distinct difference between fantasy and reality is a serious problem, that I have seen a LOT of people struggling with in much the same way you are.
Because it’s these kind of people who go out on killing sprees after playing GTA, or go out to rape women in RL after having roleplayed rape in Second Life.
The rest of us sane people can clearly see the huge difference between Real Life and make believe, and will realize that doing something in a game (not attempting to start up the ‘is SL a game or not’ discussion) is completely different from doing such acts in RL.
Some people still live under the illusion that playing pretend rape or murder will make people rapists or murderers in RL. That’s not normal, please, if you think this way, seek professional help.
And please, VoiceOfReason, get a different name (cause it’s rather misleading) and stay the HELL AWAY from playing GTA and such games! Before you know it, you’ll be blasting random cars with a rocketlauncher for fun in RL.
A guy
Apr 9th, 2009
Sorry to burst your bubble but it isn’t normal to fantasize about raping people and most normal people aren’t fantasizing about being raped.
Also, insulting you is not even close to being like insulting Anthony Hopkins for playing the role he did in Silence of the Lambs. If someone offered me millions of dollars to play the part of a crazed serial killer in a movie, I’d do it too along with just about anybody else. Whose paying you millions to act all creepy and be an e-rapist in SL? No one because you’re just a fucking freak.
Lastly, I know this chick…actually, I think it was a guy. It was someone named Penance who used to write for this blog here. My buddies tell me she loves rape fantasies so you should look her/him/it up. Penance Sautereau is the name. You should meet up with it at it’s e-rape counseling center located in the whatever-the-fuck sim for epic lols.
corona Anatine
Apr 9th, 2009
re:
Some people still live under the illusion that playing pretend rape or murder will make people rapists or murderers in RL. That’s not normal, please, if you think this way, seek professional help.
fair enough
but if so -why is sexual age play banned ?
TheVoiceOfReason
Apr 9th, 2009
My concern is the recurring nature of the fantasy, he says, almost wistfully, that he spends 60% of his time role playing these scenarios. This isn’t an occasional dalliance into a forbidden fantasy, this is a near obsession.
Your video game analogy doesn’t hold water. This guy’s fantasy targets a specific gender for a specific act of violence. Games like GTA, your task is to kill or beat your opponent, you don’t know the gender, race or religion of your opponent, you just need to defeat or destroy them. If someone were to play a video game, and only decide to target let’s say, Asian opponents, and ignored opponents of all other races, then I would say he has a problem.
This is what this fellow is doing, he is targeting a specific gender, to commit a specific act of violence. And let’s not parse words here; rape is an act of violence it’s not a sexual act.
I don’t have a problem with role play or fantasy, imagination is what created second life, and that’s why I’m there.
We
Apr 9th, 2009
One man’s sickness is another man’s way of life. This activity is seriously wrong! But considering all the deviant behavior that goes in the metaverse otherwise hidden in real life, a BIG LOL at the afflicted – you’ll probably end up on dateline N B C where you’ll make some handy pocket cash in the process and the real world will shudder from the LULZ.
BDSM and Gorean sex slaves are extreme enough but crafty none the less; all out Rape is a sure sign of some kind of degeneration for the perpetrator or the attention seeking rape victim…seek help before it’s too late and some RL victim suffers from your weakness (it may just be YOU)!
Little Lost Linden
Apr 9th, 2009
This crazy therapist reminds of the Chronic WHAT!!!??? Cles of Narnia…
LOL
Apr 9th, 2009
I wonder what Linden alt this Troll is?
Carmen
Apr 9th, 2009
These are perhaps the most interesting comments i have seen on here. Everyone has raised good points.
Is the person sick for wanting to role play as a rapist? If not and its ok then why not age play?
My initial thought is yes sicko, and i am totally against sexual age play. However my thoughts were provoked by the references to console games where people use gratuitous violence with a goal to win. I know many people who play these games blowing people away in military games, killing monsters, killing each other with swords etc etc. I dont no of any one who wants to act this out in real life.
I think that if someone has the propensity to violence or rape or anything else role play, game play or just the net will have little or no influence, if someone is sick in the mind they will do what it is they want to do eventually.
That said i still feel that this sort of role play is unhealthy and more than a little strange! not least as there are women enjoying the other side of the role presumably.
For my part i just enjoy meetingpeople from different cultures and countries so its just a 3d social network though i enjoy peoples creations hugely be it a sim a building clothes etc.
So if you dont want to role play feel free to say hello
Pappy Enoch
Apr 9th, 2009
Now in a fake wirld, long’s he ain’t aftur chirren, Rendell kin du what he likes. An them gals goes to the “Mansion” a-knowin’ what am on offer.
Still, I gots a feelin’ that this feller needs sum Enoch-Holler RP to show him how it du feel on the receivin’ end of them rape-fantasies.
He gots a rite wide set o’ luv-handles, too…good fo’ hangin’ on when me n’ the boys yells “He sho has a nice mouf! Pass the the lard, Jethro! Now pull down them britches and squeel like a pig!”
Ain’t even got to pay me this time, Miz Pixeleen. I calls it Publick Service
Orion
Apr 9th, 2009
Ya know, in the end isn’t its all about different points of view? Different ways of thinking and experimenting with those differing trains of thought?
Role play is nothing more than the formation of a story, a book, a literary work in group form between two or more individuals. In the case of sexual, horror, or fringe role play how do these subjects differ from those represented by a Daniel Steele novel or a horror story? In Second Life or any other virtual world the only thing added is an animation, or a drawing which helps to enhance both the reader’s and the creator’s image of the story.
Online role play has been taking place for years now in many forms, even back in the early days of modem based bulletin board systems and cheesy online services like AOL and CompuServe. For years now the general rule has been the same as what we all follow in the real world. If you don’t like the subject of the story, read another book. Just like on IRC if you saw a chat room called #RP-RapeNGrape with a subject like “For those with a secret desire for women dressed as giant grapes.” If you’re not into raping giant grapes then you don’t go into that chat room.
Now this whole mess about censoring any form of role play or literary work is honestly quite scary! In the end these are nothing more then stories, simple fictional works. How does the act of censoring and outright banning such subjects differ from the Nazi book burnings of the WWII era? There is no difference and the only thing that this sort of censorship does is to create a precedent for thought crimes legislation.
Corona Anatine
Apr 9th, 2009
‘consensual rape’ would be an interesting legal definition
im curious about how this would work
for a female avi to roleplay being raped she has to consent to it
by going to the ‘mansion’ sim
so then – any female who goes to the mansion is ‘just asking for it’ ?
im sure i have heard the same excuse given by RL rapists
TheVoiceOfReason
Apr 9th, 2009
I didn’t read anyone above advocating that this form of role play be banned or censored. I’m only going to speak for myself in my response.
My concern in my first response was the amount of time this guy spends thinking about rape role play. Certainly nipping in for the occasional taste, while not my cup of tea, isn’t going to be harmful. However this guy spends 60% of his online time indulging his violent fantasies. Seeing as he’s come to the attention of this online journal, one can make the assumption that he spends quite a bit of time online.
One can’t control what fantasies he or she has, however when an individual allows a violent fantasy to become part of what defines them as a person on a day to day basis, that’s a warning sign.
Debi Dastardly
Apr 9th, 2009
(Rendell may set out to rape someone, slip on a banana peel and knock himself out.)
And wouldn’t I like to be right there with a club in my hands when that happens. Another thing about women having rape fantasies, Spend some time with real rape victims like I have to in my rl job and if you are still fantasizing about rape after that you are a low form of degenerate scum that seriously needs help or to be locked up.
I don’t really care what others do on sl or anywhere else unless it makes light of such a serious crime against women.
Orion
Apr 10th, 2009
@VoiceOfReason:
I wasn’t exactly responding to anyone in particular, but the section of the article that mentioned Linden’s possible ban on this sort of material. But, while we’re at it.
“My concern in my first response was the amount of time this guy spends thinking about rape role play.”
Well, sure that could be cause for alarm. But on the same token what of those who spend hours reading graphic horror novels, biographies of serial killers, etc. And what of the people who spend months, even years writing such things? Everyone has some form of fascination, even obsession be it Disney-esque or dark and disturbing.
I personally have had my fair share of dark role play scenes, for example in one sim that’s since gone offline my character was a ghost that haunted a warehouse downtown who would lure unsuspecting passersby inside and seduce them before changing into a more gruesome form and attacking them. Sometimes, these scenes would go on for hours. One exceptionally good one I remember (where I wound up possessing my victim) lasted for about 8 hours give or take. Sure, I’ll admit the sexual parts were kind of hot and heavy but in the end it was more about forming a story that shocked and enthralled both myself and the other player.
Voice of Reality
Apr 10th, 2009
Re: Corona
“but if so -why is sexual age play banned ?”
Because some people in the US Government cannot see the difference between reality and fantasy, and decided that fake imagery of child porn is just as bad as actual real childporn.
And some German reporters couldnt see the difference either, along with hundreds of people who read their articles (also via this blog) and decided that there was indeed no difference between reality and fantasy, and started to get on LL’s case about it.
And LL is in the US, they have to stick to the (stupid) US law, and has paying customers, so they had to do something about it to keep them happy…
A little detail to note here, is that as long as the “child” AV is not human, sexual ageplay is still allowed. In the office hours dramafest that followed the ban on sexual ageplay, the Lindens have made this very clear.
Re: Debi Dastardly
“I don’t really care what others do on sl or anywhere else unless it makes light of such a serious crime against women.”
How about GTA then? That makes light of voilence, murder, and there’s a real neat way you can get your money back from hookers after the sex: Kill them.
No-one *in reality* gets hurt by those games, no-one in reality gets sexually abused by being abused in Second Life. THAT is the key issue… It’s fantasy, not reality.
This difference is most important.
Example. in RL, I woulndt hurt a fly. A mosquito yes, but they’re ffing annoying. But I digress. I like to think I’m being as good to thy neighbour as the bible asks me to be, kind to humans and animals alike, I dont even like to have a vocal argument with friends, as it makes me feel like a less nice person.
However, if one (as a player or an NPC) run into me in Grand Theft Auto, I’m the biggest bastard around. I kill for fun. Walking away too slow? Molotov on your ass. Running away after I drag you out of your car to steal it? Bet on it that your car’s front fender will be the first and last thing you’ll feel slamming into your spine at full speed. I kill indiscriminantly, as long as you’re not dead, you will be if I get close enough. And if you’re already dead on the virstual tarmac? I’ll put a few more bullets (read, complete AK-47 clips) in your corpse just FOR FUN. And I’ll be laughing while I do it (in RL).
Does these actiona have ANY influence on my behaviour in RL? No.
Because I know that doing such things in RL would make me a bad person, and will hurt other people.
There’s the difference, reality VS fantasy. a BIG difference.
A difference some people just cant understand, or only partially.
Remember the whole Hot Coffee debacle with GTA3? Someone made a hack to the game to bring back content that was intentionally left out of the official game, showing actual nudity and sex. It generated a huge shitstorm.
Cause, you shouldt let people who are old enough to see such violence, see something sexy in a computer game… that will only create rapists. OMG.
That’s how silly this all really is.
No-one is getting hurt in SL, no-one is getting raped in SL. Because it is not real.
Re: (also Corona)
“‘consensual rape’ would be an interesting legal definition
im curious about how this would work
for a female avi to roleplay being raped she has to consent to it
by going to the ‘mansion’ sim
so then – any female who goes to the mansion is ‘just asking for it’ ?
im sure i have heard the same excuse given by RL rapists”
there’s a difference tho. There’s no places in RL where women can go to to get raped, and where they can just TELEPORT OUT at any given moment if they didnt like it.
You can do what you want in SL, just as much as you can avoid what you want by not going there, or teleporting away. So yes, women that visit this rape sim, indeed give their full consent. If they woulndt, they’d just go away or not go there in the first place.
Stephie
Apr 10th, 2009
I think it’s pretty nice to see a guy RP a rapist and actually look the part. It’s that what Gor is about anyway? The only difference is all of those guys look the same; big, buff, manly men who look like they’ve just come out of a cartoon.
TheVoiceOfReason
Apr 10th, 2009
I think the problem here, the lack of an emotional connection. How would you react to a sim that simulated lynching? Or perhaps a game that allowed you to navigate planes into simulated World Trade Centers? What would your reaction be to a sim that allowed you to act out beating infants? Think of the most gut wrenching emotional scenario that you can imagine Orion, now think of someone acting out that scenario for sexual pleasure.
Carmen
Apr 10th, 2009
I have to agree to an extent with voice of reality, this is not real. Though food for thought, the rapey might well enjoy the role play, the rapist also, however no sane women would act this out in RL, however the rapist might well wish to act this out in RL.
Case in point, i dance in a virtual club with a virtual man, he struggled to accept that this was not real, he became quickly OTT despite my advising him to calm down etc etc. Point being that he struggled to seperate SL from RL I chose to make exscuses and tp’d away. Problem solved though in rl its not so easy is it!!!!
VOR
Apr 10th, 2009
“Think of the most gut wrenching emotional scenario that you can imagine Orion, now think of someone acting out that scenario for sexual pleasure.”
Rule 34.
Orion
Apr 10th, 2009
@Carmen – “I have to agree to an extent with voice of reality, this is not real. Though food for thought, the rapey might well enjoy the role play, the rapist also, however no sane women would act this out in RL, however the rapist might well wish to act this out in RL.
Case in point, i dance in a virtual club with a virtual man, he struggled to accept that this was not real, he became quickly OTT despite my advising him to calm down etc etc. Point being that he struggled to seperate SL from RL I chose to make exscuses and tp’d away. Problem solved though in rl its not so easy is it!!!!”
That’s where the different usage scenarios for SL come in to play. Typically a dance club would be considered a social venue, similar to a chat room. In comparison role play sims operate differently wherein you have two modes of chat being in character and out of character. In character text is usually said using normal world chat where out of character text is marked using ((double parenthesis and signifies what the character’s author is saying outside of the story)). For example:
Orion Shamroy sneaks up behind the suspicious looking man and quickly wraps his arm in a headlock around the man’s neck while knocking him off balance with his foot. In a struggled, angry voice he booms “I know it was you who stole the money from my father’s safe you scumbag! You’re gonna pay!”
Evil Thug struggles and twists, jabbing his elbow repeatedly back into Orion’s ribcage in an attempt to break free. Strained and winded he cries out in panic, “AAHH It wasn’t me! You got the wrong guy!”
Orion Shamroy: ((Ooh! Nice response dude!))
Evil Thug: ((Thanks!))
Normally that sort of structure is enough to keep it all in check. But sure, sometimes you’ll run into a player who starts taking it out of character. In cases like that the other players and sometimes the sim admins will step in and tell them to keep it in story. If a player continues to mix and take the story out of character most times the other players will terminate the scene and report the incident to the sim admins who will warn, warn, then ban.
Orion
Apr 10th, 2009
@VoiceOfReason – “I think the problem here, the lack of an emotional connection. How would you react to a sim that simulated lynching? Or perhaps a game that allowed you to navigate planes into simulated World Trade Centers? What would your reaction be to a sim that allowed you to act out beating infants? Think of the most gut wrenching emotional scenario that you can imagine Orion, now think of someone acting out that scenario for sexual pleasure.”
My reaction would be simple. If I don’t agree with the subject matter or find it distasteful I just wouldn’t visit that sim. I may not like or agree with what goes on there but I whole heartily respect their right to do as they wish provided its kept within the fictional realm. Its the difference between censoring yourself from things you do not like and forcibly censoring others by cramming your own personal ideals, judgments, and system of beliefs down the throats of those who believe and think differently. Try and follow my logic on this:
“AGH! I can’t stand all these damned furries! They’re weird, annoying, and when they have sex its nothing more then bestiality! These people are just downright sick in the head!”
“Oh these age players are disgusting! So what if they’re adults with diaper fetishes dressing as kids, in the end they’re nothing but pedophiles!”
“Ugh these combat players just take things too far! How could they spend all their time shooting and murdering each other?! Sooner or later one of them is going to take their little game into the real world and we’ll have a massacre on our hands! They need to be stopped!”
“Look at all these idiots running around having sex on Second Life! This is sick! Its like a bunch of people playing with anatomically correct Barbie and Ken dolls. Oh this is too much, someone has to put a stop to this!”
“Good god, you mean to tell me there are virtual prostitutes now? Oh, that’s just pathetic. Things like that should be illegal!”
“What? You mean to tell me there’s a game out there where people can make a virtual version of themselves and do anything they want? Oh, that’s just downright creepy! Why would anyone spend so much time, money, and energy on such a useless waste of time? That game is just downright unhealthy and needs to be shut down!”
Hitler: “UGH! I can’t stand all these darned Jews! They’re dumb, dirty, rude, and just plain inferior. Something has to be done about them before they corrupt the whole of society!”
Bin Laden: “Ok, that’s it! I’ve had it with these infidel Americans and their flashy ways! Look at how they treat their women, letting them run around barely clothed with their faces exposed. This is intolerable! They must be stopped!”
Religious Extremest: “Homosexuality is just wrong! Its a sin and it needs to be stopped at all costs!”
Creationist: “Darwin’s theories are fake, a myth, and they go against the teachings of the bible! How dare they teach this filth to my children!”
LOL
Apr 10th, 2009
What is this poor Rapist going to do once linden Lab creates thier Mainland XXX Ghetto?
TheVoiceOfReason
Apr 10th, 2009
@Orion
Once again you’ve made the leap that I’m advocating censorship, which I’m not. My original point, which I strayed from in my last post, is that Rendell has made rape a major part of his life. If everyone is willing to participate in these rape fantasies as the occasional detour to sate their curiosity, fine. Rendell has chosen to take an appalling act of violence and make it part of his identity. He needs to seek help, these are not normal thoughts to be having on a daily basis. These thoughts are a day to day occurrence for him and he needs to seek counseling.
Satan
Apr 11th, 2009
Orion, you have just revealed yourself to be a furry since only a furry would have the audacity to make a comparison between the genocide of millions of jews and people wanting to censor furries for being disgusting faggots. I’m even more amazed that you seem to actually believe your own bullshit. Kill yourself immediately.
Unfortunately for you, there is no comparison. There is certain behavior that society accepts and certain behavior that it doesn’t. Rape fantasy and furry-ism are not accepted by mainstream society because they are the products of very sick minds. It isn’t normal at all and if anyone I saw in real life told me about their furry e-sex or rape fantasies then they’d get their head knocked back. Dead serious.
I think it’s amazing that all of the sexual deviants are coming out of the woodwork to defend a practice like this. Such as whoever that idiot was up there trying to defend ageplay. People who are engaging in rape fantasies and ageplay are *SHOCK* shown to have predispositions to this sort of behavior in real life. This means that you’re most likely a real life rapist and whoever-the-fuck is probably a real life child molester.
And what the fuck is this? Rape fantasy a literary work??? I call total bullshit on this one. That is an extremely transparent attempt at trying to get non-psychopaths to accept your position as normal. It was fail though, as are most such pathetic attempts to justify this sort of behavior. No publisher is going to publish a literary work that is just comprised of several hundred pages of rape fantasy. That isn’t literary work at all. What you’re doing isn’t an art so stop trying to bullshit plz, kthxbai.
Johnny S
Apr 11th, 2009
The danger with this sort of thing is that there is a process of normalisation going on. Sure, most people have deviant fantasies of some kind or another, but what keeps them fantasies is our experience that they run counter to social norms (ie we hear what happens to rapists in prison). Once someone starts hanging around with a bunch of other people for whom the deviant behaviour is acceptable, then their internal controls get loosened, and for some this will be enough to tip them from thinking about something to doing it. This is how mild-mannered family men can turn into sadistic death-camp guards, in the right circumstances.
Mikano
Apr 11th, 2009
@ Orion – you whole heartedly respect this guy’s right to wanting to rape people??? wow, wtf are you on. I don’t care if this guy is only thinking or playing out rape in a fictional world or not, no one on earth should make such awful fantasizes apart of his or her daily lives. even though it’s just pretend, even though it’s not real, such fantasties and thoughts will sooner or later start making an impact on one’s reality. the problem at hand is not focused on your logic of only staying away from the sim he’s playing in and doing whatever he pleases. the real problem is that there is a real life man out there wanting to play out raping women for the thrill of it because he can do so. that is not only sick, but wrong on so many levels. I don’t even care if the women ask to be raped by him..such daily thoughts can soon become of real life tendencies in the end. this guy seriously does need some help and fast.
Corona Anatine
Apr 11th, 2009
re
No publisher is going to publish a literary work that is just comprised of several hundred pages of rape fantasy.
so who then is publishing the works of John Norman ?
Corona Anatine
Apr 11th, 2009
re Unfortunately for you, there is no comparison.
but there is a good case for comparion tho – all are forms of blind intolerance
There is certain behavior that society accepts and certain behavior that it doesn’t.
this is also true of islamic societies and of nazi germany
modern western societies have no more grounds for claiming thier prejudices are valid than any other society.
for the record i am also opposed to rape and child abuse
but i am also oppoesed to those who would use real violence against those who have/talk of imaginary fantasies
Archie Lukas
Apr 12th, 2009
Not surprised of his role play
looking that that -you’d never get a real woman impressed.
Stop eating the burgers and fries slobo
and
report to my surgery,
I’ll remove your nuts for you, no charge;
no anti-social urges and you might be a nicer character
gaining weight won’t bother you, cos your a fat bastard already.
Orion
Apr 12th, 2009
@ Satan – Do yourself a favor and sit in on a middle school history class. Be sure to read the section of the text book having to do with the Nazi censorship and propaganda campaigns. In particular the book burnings. Their movement wasn’t just about the slaughtering millions of Jews, a great deal of it was to do with policing the thoughts and ideas of an entire society! Artists, writers, musicians, poets, and anyone who created or admired works that were considered deviant or against social norms were placed right along side the Jews in the concentration camps. And yes, for your information sexual deviants and even those who exhibited signs of deviant tendencies such as gays, lesbians, transsexuals, BDSM practitioners, fetishists, and probably even furries too (if such a thing existed back then) were thrown into the camps and exterminated along with the rest of them.
As for no one publishing these types of stories I can only guess you don’t read all that much. Run a quick search on Barnes and Noble for the keywords “rape fantasy” or “rape fiction”. You’ll get at least 2000 hits containing works which contain at least some mention of rape in the plot line if not at least a few pretty detailed rape scenes. Pick up any grocery store romance novel and you’re bound to come across at least one pretty detailed scene where the main character is forced into some kind of sexual situation.
@Johnny S – “Sure, most people have deviant fantasies of some kind or another, but what keeps them fantasies is our experience that they run counter to social norms (ie we hear what happens to rapists in prison).”
Its exactly those social norms reinforced by laws that stop this sort of behavior from moving into the real world. To take these acts out of the realm of fiction and fantasy would be to break both the law and society’s norms. That alone is enough to stop people from bringing these fantasies into reality. To discuss, fantasize, and even create fictional works based on such themes is not against the law and while it may or may not be in bad taste does no physical harm nor does it break any social norms.
If someone is so inclined to go out and rape someone in the real world then chances are they would do so with or without the blessing of a subculture of story tellers and fiction writers.
VoiceOfReality
Apr 12th, 2009
Satan, Johnny S and Mikano all make this little mistake;
What you’re basically saying is, that fantasizing about rape (or child milestation tho I concider that the same) would make one probably a rapist in RL, either already being or having the danger of making one.
and I quote.
“People who are engaging in rape fantasies and ageplay are *SHOCK* shown to have predispositions to this sort of behavior in real life.”
“even though it’s not real, such fantasties and thoughts will sooner or later start making an impact on one’s reality.”
*SHOCK* There is no proof in that direction. Yes there’s been research into fantasies among people who comitted such crimes, but that only proves that a rapist also fantasizes about raping.
Well, Duh. But to draw the conclusion on that, that everyone who fantasizes about it will be or become a rapist is just insane.
Just like they thought in the early 1950′s that comic books were a danger to the children in the same way. All our parents would have to be criminally insane if they had been right about that.
Or how they still think today that seeing anything remotely sexual will turn people into rapists. The reason why movies and games nowadays have blood, gore and violence a-plenty, but if only ONE nipple is shown, all hell breaks loose. Remember the MTV awards? That’s not something I call sane.
Censorship is exactly what follows from seeing danger in fantasy, VoiceOfReason. Have a good google to the MPAA. they were formed to protect the people of America from the mind altering dangers of all media available. All they do is censor away bits and pieces of works of art, and some works are not available at all because of thier reasoning. And they’re not even a government (controlled) board, just a group of random people who think they have the right to tell people what they are allowed to see. And their word is law.
To go back to my GTA anology…
It’s been said about one of the high school massacre’s murderers (dunno which one anymore) that the killer actually played a LOT of GTA, and that the game brought him to empty his clips onto his fellow students and teachers. But he already was insane, no normal, clear thinking person would concider doing such things for real. EG he already was insane when he started to play GTA and got these ideas.
Who hasnt had thoughts, ideas or fantasies about doing stuff that would land you in prison for several years if not longer? I sure have. I thought about killing my teachers, bomb or set fire to my school, chug a molotov trough the window at that place that fired me for a stupid reason.
But, why didnt I? Why do most people not act upon these ideas?
Because we’re still sane people who are very well aware of the results… loss of life possibly, and a heap of trouble for ourselves.
If you guys would be right, then better send the police to my house and lock me up, I have and have finished every single game in the GTA series, China Town Wars excluded. I have no DS.
PS you guys should apply for a job at the MPAA. You’d love it, watch films all day and write notes on why you think it shoulndt be shown to anyone. Flash of a nipple? STRAIGHT to the adult sections in seedy videostores. Only blood, gore & violence? no sex or nipples? Good for a PG label.
Just Me
Apr 12th, 2009
I fly around in SL all the time, but I don’t try to fly in RL
Jumpman Lane
Apr 12th, 2009
i used to hang out at a dump called abusers and victims back inna day and in between rapin chix i talked shit to the foriegn rapists lmao. those germans really got into it. i’d steal their rape victims and organize trains on silly lil trix. i’d always start off with “wtf you doin on my side of town! now ya gotta pay a pussy toll!”
Satan
Apr 12th, 2009
Orion, if either one of us needed to sit through another middle school history class it’d obviously be you. Besides the fact that I write professionally (which actually requires one to read rather a lot, just ask Mark Wallace and Peter Ludlow) instead of playing furry and telling everyone about it and rushing to the comments section on SLH to try and justify other sexual deviants, what you and I define as deviant behavior are clearly two different things. We aren’t talking about rounding up the gays and putting them in deathcamps. I don’t know where you’re from, but here in the USA it is perfectly acceptable to be gay. And I happen to be bisexual myself.
Be that as it may, unfortunately, you and your ilk are free to imagine whatever nasty shit you want to imagine. Our society tolerates the idea that some of this disgusting shit is going on behind closed doors – albeit grudgingly. The line between what is acceptable and what isn’t is crossed when it involves harming others. If you don’t think this is so then you should walk into your nearest pub or bar and proclaim loudly your love for rape fantasy, furries, and ageplay, in loving detail. While you’re at it, try doing the same at your workplace. When you get fired by your boss and/or lynched by a gang of angry half-drunk people and you SCREAM at them about “persecution”, the jews, and the holocaust I will laugh my ass off. There is no way for you to make these sorts of behaviors acceptable. Sorry, it just isn’t going to happen. Period. You will get beat down by even the most pathetic social outcasts on the planet.
It is apparent that neither you nor Corona have any real-world experience. My guess is that one or both of you likely claim to have aspergers or some equivalent in order to try and justify your social ineptitude.
You can cry about it all you want to and you can bring up the nazis and other fascists that rose and fell over the centuries, but in the end it won’t change the fact that you’re both pathetic antisocial sexual deviants who fantasize about screwing farm animals, raping people, and molesting children. Your own words do more to insult you than I ever could.
@Corona
I know you like to drum up factionalism like this is some sort of europe versus western civilization thing, but it isn’t. It’s normal people versus weirdos. Social norms tend to transcend imaginary lines drawn between countries. It’s just human nature.
@VoiceofReality
Your GTA comparison isn’t valid either. People don’t think that seeing sexual content is going to turn people into rapists. People don’t think that seeing anything is going to turn anyone into a rapist. It’s not what you see that is the problem. It’s how you think.
Like I said, I seriously doubt that there are ANY literary works comprised of SEVERAL HUNDRED PAGES OF RAPE FANTASY. That’s not to say that some literary works don’t have rape scenes. Again, most of those scenes weren’t written with the intention of turning people on either. Then again, I wouldn’t know if there really is some sort of niche market for deviants such as yourself, you know, since I live in REALITY here where you and your yiff-pals are obviously NOT.
It’s a moot point anyway. We aren’t talking about literary works or grand theft auto at all. We’re talking about some sick pervs in a video game that get their rocks off on pretending that they’re committing horrific crimes, forcing themselves on other people.
As for the GTA-rape comparison I lol’d. Comparing killing video game characters with fantasizing about raping people? Surely even you could do better than that.
TL;DR Congrats on being pathetic
Corona Anatine
Apr 12th, 2009
re
“some sort of europe versus western civilization thing”
???
what was that about living in a weird version of reality?
Homosexual are also part of human nature
as is the underlying casue of facism
which Satan displays so well-
after emphasing his authority =I write professionally
Satan attacks anyone who disagrees with his veiwpoint
=…you and your ilk are free to imagine…nasty shit
society tolerates ….this disgusting shit
one or both of you likely claim to have aspergers or some equivalent
your social ineptitude
you’re both pathetic antisocial sexual deviants
this needs no comment reality
and a person who considers themselves in touch with the world – comes out with this :
It’s normal people versus weirdos.
Social norms tend to transcend imaginary lines drawn between countries.
what you and I define as deviant behavior are clearly two different things.
I don’t know where you’re from, but here in the USA it is perfectly acceptable to be gay.
try being bisexaul in some countries and see how long you live
Corona Anatine
Apr 12th, 2009
the best description of ‘normal’ I have heard is that it like a
sphere with the more normal someone is the closer to the centre of the social sphere they are
except in the real world the sphere is hollow and everyone lives on the edge
this is shown to be true in the case of satan too
Corona Anatine
Apr 12th, 2009
here in the USA it is perfectly acceptable to be gay.
really ?
Fred Phelps (Westboro Baptist Church)
“If you got to castrate your miserable self with a piece of rusty barb wire, do it.”
“Hear the word of the LORD, America, fag-enablers are worse than the fags themselves, and will be punished in the everlasting lake of fire!”
“You telling these miserable, Hell-bound, bath house-wallowing, anal-copulating fags that God loves them!? You have bats in the belfry!”
“American Veterans are to blame for the fag takeover of this nation. They have the power in their political lobby to influence the zeitgeist, get the fags out of the military, and back in the closet where they belong!”
“Not only is homosexuality a sin, but anyone who supports fags is just as guilty as they are. You are both worthy of death.”
“AIDS is a racial disease of Jews and Niggers, and fortunately it is wiping out the queers. I guess God hates queers for several reasons. There is one big reason to be against queers and that is because every time some white boy is seduced by a queer into becoming a queer, means his white bloodline has run out.”
“AIDS is not just God’s punishment for homosexuals; it is God’s punishment for the society that tolerates homosexuals.”
“Homosexuals are weak, morally sick wretches.”
Paul Cameron
“I think that actually AIDS is a guardian. That is I think it was sent, if you would, about forty years ago, to destroy Western civilization unless we change our sexual ways. So it’s really a Godsend.”
“Homosexuality is a crime against humanity.”
“Causes of homosexuality include: ‘sex with animals’”*
“Unless we get medically lucky, in three or four years, one of the options discussed will be the extermination of homosexuals.”
Michael Savage (Savage Nation)
“Oh, you’re one of the sodomites. You should only get AIDS and die, you pig. How’s that? Why don’t you see if you can sue me, you pig. You got nothing better than to put me down, you piece of garbage. You have got nothing to do today, go eat a sausage and choke on it.”*
I don’t know where you’re from, but here in the USA it is perfectly acceptable to be gay.
ok I will take your word for it
mootykips
Apr 12th, 2009
hey “corona anatine” protip your enter key is not a “win argument” button ~*hope this helps*~
VoiceOfReality
Apr 12th, 2009
Re; Satan
Quote: “The line between what is acceptable and what isn’t is crossed when it involves harming others.”
“There is no way for you to make these sorts of behaviors acceptable.”
You’re hitting the nail on the head with that first line, but missing it completely with the second.
As well as contradict yourself… but at least you tried.
No-one is getting hurt with Rendell’s fantasy roleplay, nor is anyone getting hurt by any of the various roleplays in SL or elsewhere. So, there is no real problem with it. (note the real there versus fantasy. As I said earlier, there lies the difference and the link to my GTA anology. Just noting as you appearently missed that one.)
Wether or not these behaviours are acceptable, is indeed as you say in the first quote, depending on if someone gets hurt. Which is not the case.
You might not feel it’s acceptable for anyone to do anything in Second Life that isn’t your cup of tea, but appearently for LL it’s acceptable enough to not forbid it entirely and just tolerate it, albeit on private sims or the coming adult mainland.
And LL’s opinion is really the only one that matters.
Orion
Apr 12th, 2009
@ Satan (Once again)
RE – “If you don’t think this is so then you should walk into your nearest pub or bar and proclaim loudly your love for rape fantasy, furries, and ageplay, in loving detail. While you’re at it, try doing the same at your workplace. When you get fired by your boss and/or lynched by a gang of angry half-drunk people and you SCREAM at them about “persecution”, the jews, and the holocaust I will laugh my ass off.”
Umm, use some common sense will ya? There’s a time and a place to discuss certain topics. Nobody of their right mind would walk into a bar full of rednecks and scream “I’m gay!” (No offense to Pappy on that one!) Just as no redneck in his or her right mind would walk into a gay bar and scream “Ya’ll a gern ter hell!” As for discussing such things at work, I guess it would depend on the environment you worked in. At my job (I work in higher education) we often troll over different issues around the water cooler, one recurring topic is freedom of speech. So yeah, in that regard I’ve spoken about this with my co-workers and even my superiors when the topic arises, not in great detail of course but some generalized examples were raised. Nobody was fired and in the end we all (including a few of the professors and administrators) enjoyed debating the topic.
As for the comments section of an article having to do with fictional rape and the possible censorship / banning of the subject – yes I’d say that would be an appropriate venue to discuss the history and ramifications of limiting free speech. If it wasn’t, I’m quite sure the moderators of the site would have either removed or flat out rejected all of our comments by now.
RE – “There is no way for you to make these sorts of behaviors acceptable. Sorry, it just isn’t going to happen. Period. You will get beat down by even the most pathetic social outcasts on the planet.”
Nobody is trying to make the act of physically assaulting someone socially acceptable. This is about having and protecting the right to talk and write about such topics without limitation.
Satan
Apr 12th, 2009
@Corona
You’ve already deteriorated to the point that your arguments no longer have any substance whatsoever. And I’d rather be known for attacking other people when their opinions differ from mine than be known for being a rapist and child molester who also fantasizes about barnyard sodomy. Make sense? I thought so.
In b4 more RAAAAGGGE.
Debi Dastardly
Apr 12th, 2009
I still say anyone who supports making light of such a serious crime is sick beyond repair. Try and justify your degenerate behavior all you want normal people see you for what you really are.
Satan
Apr 13th, 2009
Yeah I know. I love how Orion goes from realizing that he isn’t going to be able to convince people that he is right with his ‘logic’, to immediately jumping to claiming that he is a university professor in order to convince everyone that, “Hey, see? Rapists have real jobs and lead normal lives too!”. Comedy fucking gold, Orion, but I call bullshit on that too. No one at an educational institution is going to tolerate you talking about your rape fantasies, especially after all of the school shootings and shit.
Satan
Apr 13th, 2009
@Corona
You can dig up useless quotes like that all day long. They’re free to speak out all they want and it’s still acceptable for people to lead their own lifestyles in that respect regardless. And yeah, you should take my word for it, since you know, I live here and not in whatever shitbox country you’re from. That’s why the rich and famous in your country are traveling here to go to college instead of going to school at your fucking dumps. Most likely if you aren’t in the USA your education is on a sixth grade level. So what can someone with the intellectual capacity of a child tell me about anything in my own country? That’s exactly what that great genius, Montana Corleone tried to do. I suppose next you’re going to start claiming that our streets are filled with bodies like Beirut, amirite? HAHAHAHAHAHA!
Satan
Apr 13th, 2009
It is interesting though that you mentioned AIDS in a few of those quotes. I am an AIDS patient and I happened to write a front page story detailing it and advocating marijuana law reform that appeared on newsstands all over Augusta, GA, one of the most conservative parts of the USA. The article was met with overwhelmingly positive responses from readers and even garnered national attention from NORML and the Marijuana Policy Project. Thus, incidentally, your own quotes have served only to prove me right.
I am still recognized as a talented journalist and my associations STILL include politicians, police officers, business owners, radio personalities, famous musicians, and authors, none of whom even batted an eye in response to the article accept in some cases to express their condolences. This in a time where everyone still thinks of AIDS as a gay disease, even though heterosexual HIV infections are shown to be more prevalent today (though that’s not how I contracted it in my case).
I think I have amply proven my point. Back to the short bus with you. My e-dick is like 9 inches and no one has won an e-pissing match with me yet.
lol
Apr 13th, 2009
How come you guys act like society somehow violated your rights by expecting you to not rape people?