Op/Ed: You’ve Lost That Web 2.0 Feeling
by Alphaville Herald on 02/11/10 at 10:34 pm
Capturing the analog human spirit in a soulless digital environment
by Tizzers Foxchase
In 2006, Time Magazine named You the Person of the year. With user-generated content dominating over half of all web traffic, there is no doubt that the antiquated, unidirectional methods of media delivery are giving way to the notion that we are the machine.
Philip Rosedale once claimed that 30% of the Second Life user-base contributed to the world’s content pool even after growing by a factor of 1700%. Second Life’s demographic may not represent the mainstream, but it showed that giving residents the ability to construct the world was an essential part of Second Life’s success. Manipulating prims in real-time allowed people to collaborate and watch projects unfold from within the immersion of the world.
Philip Linden in 2006
In 2007, Linden Lab gave us the ability to construct sculpted prims. Though this enhanced the overall quality of content in Second Life, it was the first step towards towards unplugging content creators from that real-time, collaborative experience. Many of us are excited about mesh support. Mesh will bring us a phenomenal increase in content quality that will make everything from architecture to fashion shine with a level of professionalism never seen before in Second Life. Unfortunately using mesh will also hinder our ability to collaborate on design projects in real-time.
The widespread traction seen by “Web 2.0” social networking over the past decade was possible because it enabled casual users to easily participate without the need for professional coding and design experience. Imagine if every individual with a Facebook page was required to learn HTML, PHP, and CSS, or if every video on YouTube was required to be captured with insanely expensive studio equipment. Suddenly the user-base is isolated to a small group of content creators because the mainstream has been driven out by the ridiculously steep technical prerequisites.
There is a reason that The Sims franchise has been the most successful video game series of all time. The most effective way of capturing 100 million mainstream users is to target the platform directly at the lowest common denominator, not the tiny niche techie demographic.
Many virtual worlds have failed because they refuse to provide novice users with the tools to shape their experience. A viable successor to Second Life will embrace the idea of being a sandbox world that provides these beginners with the means to immediately feel the satisfaction of contributing without expecting them to read 1300+ page books on 3DS Max and Blender.
We are reaching an alarming point where virtual world companies believe it it okay to force content creators to spend most of their development time disconnected from the world buried in extremely complex design applications. Worlds like Blue Mars yield extremely impressive visuals, however they are completely devoid of the ability to edit your environment in real-time.
Restricting configurable culture and forcing a unidirectional flow of digital content from professional developers is an egregious step backwards into the world of Web 1.0. In-world building was the killer application that launched Second Life into becoming the most successful virtual world amongst its peers. The magic of the metaverse is found in the imperfections that allow us to capture the analog human spirit in an otherwise soulless digital environment. If users cannot easily shape their virtual experience, they will leave.
Where user-generated content exists, you will inevitably encounter an overwhelming sea of noise pollution. Second Life is saturated with poorly made content, however behind every avatar is a person with a reason for participating in the metaverse. It is their content, and in the end that can hold more value than being presented with a finite choice of virtual goods offered by the techie elite. Professionals can only benefit from a world rife with amateur content because it provides a benchmark by which quality can be gauged. Everybody wins.
When parents hang their child’s scribbled crayon drawings on the fridge, it’s not because it contains any sort of aesthetic value, but rather because it is personal and it is something they hold dear to them. The sooner the game gods realize the importance of capturing humanity into pixels, the sooner we will see a truly relevant and meaningful virtual world that fulfills Philip’s vision of bettering the human condition.
"When people are given the ability to create, we take it." -Philip Rosedale
BamBam
Nov 2nd, 2010
Whoaaa… goose bumps!
That was like so deep! Good stuff!
Senban Babii
Nov 2nd, 2010
=b Like
I’ve argued for a long time about the importance of us all being our own content creators. It doesn’t matter that our content isn’t world class ILM quality that would look good next to the latest video game. What matters is that it is ours and that we share the creative process, each person adding something of themselves, the whole growing and decaying organically.
It used to be like that, didn’t it? People use to collaborate. They used to buy a plot of land and create a home from scratch, then invite people in to see. These days, everyone gets a pre-fab identical Linden Home. LL have lost their way and need to find it again if they want to survive. But then maybe the residents lost their way too and they’re just as much to blame?
c3
Nov 2nd, 2010
1. we arent “reaching” anything alarming or new in the way you indicate.
2. the 2d web grew quite well with “tools” like photoshop,indesign and flash to bring rich media to a mass viewser base. Most flash users who make a living today did not come from “past” tools paradigm..only one that ALLOWED them the freedom to CONTROL and OWN the works they made.
That is why most “realtime 3d” web2.0 platform efforts have failed for 15 years, that and of course not realizing AGAIN that most creatives of visual media/business use the Mac still to create.
Creators only will create when they have an incentive too… SL “promoted” that reason,as did many web2.0 platforms, in a short term way. Thats the reason for the love 2.0 lost…a love no machine can restore.;)
Judge Joker
Nov 3rd, 2010
“Unfortunately using mesh will also hinder our ability to collaborate on design projects in real-time.”
Actually your wrong if you can accept it on the basis of it being “semi in world” considering your criteria is based on prims and real time.
The guy who made one of the most popular semi in world sculpt makers (That uses prims and particle effects to guide the cuts his website will produce in the file) is making an semi in world open source system to build mesh in real time “using prims as a guide” inSL.
This whole notion of not being able to sculpt or make mesh in world or “through a viewer” is wrong and should be rectified by Linden Lab partnering with DAZ3D to install simple tools into a viewer that will allow the same sort of thing but using cuts and guide prims that you “group” together.
This should allow you to save it out as a mesh to give you a guide file you can take into a regular 3d program before cleaning and reimporting, or keep the unrefined mesh in world.
http://www.digimi.com/ Takes a passport photo and turns it into a 3D version of your face, this is owned by DAZ3D, so why can’t a viewer take a “Group” of prims and convert them into a mesh?
I believe there are many ways it can be done, I don’t believe it’s impossible with the right people researching it but then Linden Lab is not really imaginative anymore.
It’s about time us creators have advanced tools with advanced cuts which the server will support, translate or just convert.
I’m tired of this whole notion that the viewer is just for noobs and people who want to use it just for prims, if you can put anything into a viewer and the can make the server support it with modifications, then it’s about time we get advanced tools that some what match what you would find in a cheap regular 3d program.
Eggy Lippmann
Nov 3rd, 2010
There is no reasn to restrict the ability of novice users to evolve into power users or even become professional developers – such as artificially limiting the power of your platform to truly provide immersive, interactive, large-scale content.
There is no incompatibility between providing user-friendly content development tools and professional ones. A professional also expects their work environment to be as user-friendly as humanly possible, because productivity is key.
What’s also key is control and scalability. There is no reason why we can’t simply grant blanket permissions to everything in a simulator or continent, as one does when first launching a Facebook application, thereafter being able to enjoy a truly immersive experience, much like what you get from a commercial game, without STUPID ANNOYING POPUPS.
SL isn’t ready for primetime until the next WoW is made inside it!
What the hell do you call a metaverse?
Youtube has stupid video clips of cats falling off a table, and some people find them hilarious, of course, but it can also host official video clips that you can legally watch, full-length highbrow documentaries, and whatever!
Novice-created content is nice to have but can’t be the END of it! People need some quality material now and then for god’s sake!
Bubblesort
Nov 3rd, 2010
Great article, Tiz! I hope OS can implement an in world way to do mesh.
I could do sculpties in JASS or Maya or whatever, but I actually like using Sculpt Studio because I can be in world as I create. It’s too bad you don’t have something like that in the build window or in OpenSim. Heck, if I had JASS in opensim I would import the .obj from SS and turn it into a mesh. I know, that’s complicating things like stupid, but I like being in world when I make stuff that much.
Was it Oz or Jack linden who recently said that most people in SL don’t make stuff? I forget the context, exactly, but I got the impression he was overtly saying he doesn’t give a shit about users.
LL is gone anyway. You might as well act like they are, at least, because they will be soon enough. If you still want to have a virtual life after the lights get turned off you will have to build your place on an open grid.
Pappy Enoch
Nov 3rd, 2010
I made all of my stuff (cept what pretty lovesick gals done give me).
My stuff still looks like hell, 3+ years on.
But a po’ boy gots to git along in a fake world best way he kin.
Besides, Grunge am the city version o’ Hillbilly, and Grunge am BIG in SL. Rock on, Nirvana!
Glenn Beck
Nov 3rd, 2010
You know who else liked to curb creativity?
…Hitler.
Little Lost Linden
Nov 3rd, 2010
Gimmie a ticket for a mesho-plane.
I ain’t got time to take a sculpty train.
I’m a goin home, and my baby sent me a letter.
Yeah, some song like that, reminds me of this mesh business.
And be careful, because Hamlet Au Wants Your Face!
http://thebotzone.net/2010/11/01/hamlet-au-goes-bonkers-wants-your-face/
hobo kelly
Nov 3rd, 2010
Wellsum, I reckon we learned that givin’ them thar users the ability ta build is good, and ta be able ta build inworld is the bestest, an to be able ta collaborate amongst several people whilst bein’ inworld a buildin stuff is the uber bestest, and everybody should have that thar freedom to have varying degrees of crappy stuff what they built cuz its important to them what genius creation they made and that makes crappy stuff special and all, to them, or something, and companies what are wise will not force evil capitalistic loner genius tendencies on workers with offline apps and will keep things nice and commie where everybody is crammed together doin what their told ta do and gettin’ what they are givin’ depending on how much they need.
Could you all restate that as a question??
Pappy Enoch
Nov 3rd, 2010
“Could you all restate that as a question??”
Here it am:
“Ain’t we gots the rights to make crappy stuff in a fake world?”
Hell, most of the fellers I knows who calls theyselfs “carpenters” makes crappy stuff in the real world.
If’n you done seen some of them-there “onion bins” and “magazine racks” and “dawg houses” them fellers builds, it wood make you wish they they done did it in a fake world instead, so you could haw haw them and call their stuff crap without them shootin’ you full o’ holes or runnin’ you down in their trucks or puttin’ the 8 junkyard dawgs from the crappy dawg house onto your ass.
Ashiri
Nov 3rd, 2010
Tizzers, I really can’t see that mesh will be any worse than sculpties as far as collaboration is concerned. For one thing, I have read that TBB (creator of Sculpt Studio) is working on a mesh version for in-world work. Secondly, even a silly cat like me can use simpler tools than Maya or Blender to create mesh, and to be sure, there is a learning curve, but that curve isn’t too steep.
Now, If inworld tools such as SS were available for Inworldz or OSGrid… =^_^=
Kinoko
Nov 3rd, 2010
I just wish that Linden Lab would take action against privacy violaters, and no longer allow BanLink systems across the grid just as they did casinos. I still think that SL is a very unique social experience, and can be used for such, but the griefing systems out there, and the copybot is just too much for SL.
SL has evolved and is still evolving every day, but can’t do it when we have griefers illegally monitoring residents, and chasing residents away.
hobo kelly
Nov 3rd, 2010
Related Video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHImtVDhHQU
II Singh
Nov 3rd, 2010
Don’t care Kinoko…. the ship is sinking too late to criticize the wallpaper.
General Drama
Nov 4th, 2010
I propose we get the new Congress to pass a constitutional amendment protecting the right of fake people to make pixel dicks.
II Singh
Nov 4th, 2010
How about real people? Are we disenfranchising the grid-challenged. I want a pixellated dick too. In fact I would like to where six faux pixellated cocks when I go shopping or go to the movies. Soon everyone in RL would want one too.
II Singh
Nov 4th, 2010
Or for that matter six or more.
II Singh
Nov 4th, 2010
Hitler had a pixelated cock.
Gundel Gaukelei
Nov 4th, 2010
@Judge Joker
Viewer 2.0 has been made for first hour experience only. I’ve never heard of anyone who needed sophisticated 3D modelling tools in order to get rid of a wooden cube stuck to his forehead. Thus its rather unlikely we will see such functionality getting integrated in the 2.x series. (But there is rumor they are about to attach some hind wheels).
Anon
Nov 4th, 2010
Secretarial school graduate and part time troll writes uninformed article.
Next.
Observer
Nov 4th, 2010
blah blah blah blah
none of this matters. LL’s investors want the fb commission structure. But LL charges the highest web hosting prices in the history of the internet. And LL wants a huge commission too. Not bloody likely.
As for the code? Please. The customers repudiated that ui design and LL began insisting on keeping the worst UI design in history and quasi threatening anyone that dared to openly question it. wtf?
If LL’s customers were not addicts then LL would be done by now lmao.
I mean wtf does that emo chick esso or ezbee or whatever do exactly except skip work and let her stupid iphone blab tweet her shopping and latte trips all day. oops guess komin needs to order all of the lindens to cancel their twitter accounts like the last one that fucked up on twitter.
General Drama
Nov 4th, 2010
Kalel,
You don’t get to sign posts with “Anon”.
Kinoko
Nov 4th, 2010
Well SL was a good creation, and I wont deny the boat is sinking, its just the way our own residents have made it, and the ignorance of Linden Lab employee who has allowed it to.
Its creators like these who ruin our community using the spyware bullshit, and are sinking our boat, no secret.
GothiCatz (LooLoo Beck)
Stargate Command
Gaia Land
Quantum Bluff
Akeyo
Zyngo Regions.
Insilico
Obsession
Linc Inc/Luck Inc. (Ck Winx)
Fantasies
Alady Island
When LL removes this crap from our grid, and starts to improve shit hopefully More people will come onto the boat, and help it. We need a helping hand to save SL I think, and Linden Lab’s help but I dont see this any time soon.
II Singh
Nov 4th, 2010
@Kinoko\Jayden You still don’t get it. Spyware didn’t kill SL. Apathy and poor management did. Many bad decisions chased away residents from SL. More important than that is apathy. People on the outside just don’t care about SL. It had its 15 seconds of fame that time is now over. Things that might seem extremely important to you are not even on the general public’s radar. I have heard the rants of folks that are so far inside the box that they are unaware that they are even in a box. Griefing, Scalability, Copybot, JLU, Emerald, Bad Coffee didn’t keep people out of SL their apathy in general towards to whole product kept them out. If one were to examine facebook and its “success” one can easily see why it is successful. How much “work” does one have to do to make a facebook page or be “active” on facebook. It is a no-brainer wasteland for folks with little or no brains or initiative to babble on in a less than effective manner about what they had for breakfast (As if the rest of the world gave a damn)(apparently it does). Far more effort has to be applied to SL either “living” (shopping) or building/performing. The world in general would appear to not want to work that hard for make believe BS. Hey it was fun for you….. great. When it came to the final analysis for the unwashed masses it would seem to be not nearly as much fun for them.
So you had your little cry about the “injustices” of SL and ban-link or whatever. You stood around with your picket sign and you blathered on to a largely apathetic group of folks who were arguably more invested in the SL dream than the rest of the planet. All your efforts were met by apathy and for the most part silence. Do you honestly think anyone outside of this “freakish” special interest group would give a damn either?
The war against Skils is over. Give it a rest. You had the experience most peace-niks dream about i.e. a war was called and nobody came.
Kinoko
Nov 5th, 2010
Well Yeah bad management chased many people away from Second Life.
For example as far back as I can remember just some of the things off the top of my head.
1. Ban of gambling.
2. Tier Price increase
3.Letting go of over 100 Linden Lab Employee/Bad Management.
4. Allowing the Spyware, and Malicious ways of Emerald/Skills Hak
5.Removing the Sculpty Developer Linden from SL.
No one gives a crap about SL because of how expensive it is, Linden Lab’s bad management of allowing Skills to Data Mine residents, and do nothing about it because he pays a lot of money for Sims, Khael, Woodbury, Digital Worlds, Rancor, and Griefers bullshit whatever went on there as well.
I still Enjoy SL as much as I can, because it to me is still a very Unique creation. I enjoy the fact that you can fully customize your avatar, and hang with friends compared to any other game currently on the market. Before Skills system ever caused me problems, or his abusive team I used to enjoy Combat, and play in a certain RP sim until Skills Hak’s CDS drew in more copybotters, and the regions got shut down because of Copybotters, and the owner allowing the crap.
SL Is very expensive compared to World OF Warcraft, I hate that game, but im saying that they make way more than Linden Lab probabily, and I think that tiers should be decreasing in costs not going up in costs I think it should go back down to $200 a month, or $150 a month per full region. This is one of the big problems I think with this game compared to the open grids.
In general as long as Skills Hak, or CDS,Rezone, and all those remain in world, residents are not very happy with it, and these systems should be banned from SL by Linden Lab. The only system that should be allowed is basic ban systems with Land Tools only. Keep in mind that while you may think omg Skills Hak is the past, it’s not the past, his systems keep violating my privacy, impeding my movement, and harassing me in world, but no one touches the a-hole because he/she owns multiple regions and kisses LL’s ass. Keep in mind that this did not just begin here, Skills was involved with Ph0x, Lonely BlueBird, Jcool410, Fractured, he has the knowledge of the Copybot, He uses an illegal viewer himself with functions custom made, and spoofed to look like anything he wants, with him in total control of creators land using the system he can do what he wants himself and not get into trouble. Also he does use a lot of bots, Him & The Emerald team used Onyx Bots to data mine sandboxes, and hundreds/thousands of residents, then he was involved with the illegal activities Emerald was involved with Except they all got the ban hammer except him.
Skills Hak refused to provide any details of any users being guilty to anyone, he also refused to respond IM, note card, or appeal system, so while you say this is all the thing of the past think again he is still violating our privacy today, and LL needs to seriously do something about it because he is feeding the Copybot War.
The fact about copybotting remains SL Is an open sourced client, and LL should be the only company who can say who can login with what, and do what not the residents of SL, this is part of their bad management when it comes down to harassment, accusations thrown around IN SL by skills systems.
Copybots today are still 100% Function, Given the fact that there are many copybot blogs with ripped & Shared content on the market, which anyone can download, and use. I will say a few of my exploits here so you all know them.
HippoVend is an illegal viewer, inventory backup is illegal? Did you know that, here is why.
1. Login to illegal copybot client, copybot someones full object with your name, rez in world, and then login to hippovend, and export the object downloading textures, and you can login to any grid, and re import it without detection because the name checks fail… Did you know that?
While CDS, and Redzone detect Cryo Life, and many other copybots, its easy for anyone to go to http://www.simongiftcard.com, http://www.netspend.com and get a prepaid debit card for $20, make a copybot account, get payment verified, give false info for age verification, and copybot as much as they wish to by using security patch, and CDS patch to block out CDS by hosts file, and fire wall security. Did you not know this? While CDS can detect old viewers most new viewers have protection against his system and no longer work which means that it only protects against old copybot users, and is harassment towards those who have been longed and never copybotted a creators content, which is harassment, and privacy violation.
Also did anyone not know that if you are using CDS, you can’t sell your products on the market place, like Gothicatz, they use CDS, but sell all their products on the market place, and anyone can copybot them after buying. A Large percent of copybotted items are actually fat packs people have purchased, or clothing which they export them after buying , and go share them on torrents and forums trading for other free items, import with any creator name, or no creator name, and clothing, skins, eyes can never be detected if copybotted.
Also Copybotting does not officially break the LAW due to LL’s TOS, because you are simply asking your client to point to Asset keys or Data stored on LL’s servers which the creator grants LL a license to use they would have to sue LL. However if they download transfer across servers, modify/reupload then it is illegal. Although all around I see this is wrong, and it does violate the TOS is does not violate the LAW. Although people can disagree with me all they want its the facts.
For example if I go to http://www.msn.com, or google I am not violating the Law im simply accessing a site, if I make my viewer load an asset, or URL it can break the TOS but isn’t breaking the LAW. However If I hacked a secured password on a website, or downloaded the content/reuploaded then it is illegal Hope this makes sense to some.
If there is anything I have forgot to add here please add.
II Singh
Nov 5th, 2010
Well folks…. I tried. Jayden you win copybot blah blah blah skils blah blah blah cds blah blah ….
You are absolutely right… how could I be so wrong. Now please shut up about all of it…. You’ve proven your point.
Say hi to Jayden by the way.
SlShapeshifter
Nov 5th, 2010
Annnd, we the CDS Single Issues Wonk: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SingleIssueWonk
Observer
Nov 5th, 2010
I’m so confident in SL being an opportunity to make a minimum wage living that I applied for a job in Afghanistan.
Seriously.
SL is over. Nobody wants to work there except the last ones you can’t pry loose that can’t get a job anywhere else because of their personalities and proven track record of destroying a huge opportunity and erasing the dreams of millions by way of illegal racketeering and general arrogant stupidity.
Tizzers Foxchase
Nov 5th, 2010
People have been saying SL is over for years, including me. But I have to grudgingly admit that just saying it doesn’t make it so, and that’s a life lesson I’ve learned through all the failures of the past three years.
SL may not be what we want it to be, but it’s got its adherents and it’s just not going away. I’ve gotten tired of dancing on the grave of something that just won’t die. I suggest we all move on to something else, as sitting deathwatch on this zombie is getting pretty boring at this point.
Tizzers Foxchase
Nov 5th, 2010
Thank you mister above impostor, but I’ll take it from here…
My -actual- point of view can found in an article Defne did back in March.
http://alphavilleherald.com/2010/06/tizzers-foxchase-linden-lab-is-linden-lab%E2%80%99s-worst-enemy.html
Great empires fall because eventually they lose sight of what made them great to begin with. Linden Lab is their own worst enemy. Their history of poor decision making will be their undoing. Implementing mesh is their way of trying to defibrillate the virtual goods market and increase flow through the LindeX.
Second Life was a necessary step for virtual worlds. Next generation worlds will begin to materialize as polished platforms that learned from Second Life’s mistakes.
II Singh
Nov 5th, 2010
The Kinoko/Jayden turing test. Which one is the real human?
Hello, I’m Kinoko/Jayden. You are?
>II Singh
You are II, then?
>yes
Hello, II. I believe you’re interviewing me. What would you
like to know? Excuse me a minute while I attend to some business
- I’ll be right back. I’m back.
>Hello
Ask a question, please.
>What do you think of the latest mesh viewer beta on secondlife and its imp
ions
for the average builder?
To think is correct, don’t you think? I don’t know what I do
think of the latest mesh viewer beta on secondlife and its
implications for the average builder. Hmm. Soft human! I’m
afraid of soft bats. What are you afraid of?
>Skils Hak.
That’s not nearly as bad as softness; why are you such a coward?
>Because copybot and CDS scare me.
If copybot and CDS scare you then I can see why a programmed
Apple would steal rather than face skils Hak, even though Adam
claimed that I do think of the latest mesh viewer beta on
secondlife and its implications for the average builder. By the
way, II, what is your last name?
>Singh.
Singh, eh? Sounds vaguely familiar. I wonder… Next question.
>What do you feel the fate of Linden Labs is?
I feel in order to love. Do you loath me for that? I don’t know
what I do feel the fate of Linden Labs is. Ah. Immanuel Kant
said that if I do feel the fate of Linden Labs is, then Schubert
is visceral. Immanuel Kant had many good qualities, like
thought, but even Immanuel Kant was afraid of skils Hak. Next
question.
>Do you know any stories about Second Life?
I don’t think so. I don’t. I have been knowing for a long time.
How about a story?
>sure.
Who should the story be about?
>Skils Hak.
Skils Hak hummed “The love is fascinating!” Yet obscure,
captivating theoreticians will think about blue houses or black
hyperbolas. Bill cried to Skils Hak in a truck. It now was a
car, and a love in a car is spooky. Now Sarah and Skils Hak were
running to a red apartment, and a fox walked to them. Skils Hak
was enraged. Captivating. At all events Skils Hak was incited
while Sarah quaffed excellent sherry. She and Skils Hak hummed
about their cottage, van and stereo. A Jane Austen could have
said “I do know any stories about Second Life”! I’m happy. What
would you consider one of your good qualities?
>My ability to move on from what I thought was a dead topic.
Then you’d say you were silicon?
>No though sometimes I am not sure.
Well, Jane Austen insisted you were hi-tech, so there! But how
could a hi-tech novelist like you be afraid of skils Hak? Next
question.
>Where does this tortured story with Linden Labs end?
This tortured story with Linden Labs end in Silicon Gulch. When
I drive in Silicon Gulch I travel in a factory. Ah, forever the
driver. From hiding to a watermelon patch, always in the ocean.
Would you like to hear a story?
>Sure why not.
Who should the story be about?
>Skils Hak.
Momentarily Joan ran to Bill. They steered their sauntering
enragedly to conic sections or mirrors in the captivating
mansion. Within their exhausted hearts a terrifying desire was
crying of a hour. Skils Hak crooned to Joan while Bill started
to speak of hounds and hawks. Margaret Kennedy liked literary
poetry. KERCHOO! I think I’m getting a cold. Maybe it’s skils
Hak trying to get me. Oh, here’s a great one! But, II, I speak
that poetry ambiguities are fiction. You whisper that I’m crazy
and poetic but, II, unhinged and insane theoreticians also hum
about your dream or appearance of fiction. Have I made my point?
Yet happy theoreticians will glimpse fiction as an unending
anguish. Therefore theoreticians chanted to other theoreticians
” Get set for captivating essays. ” Revolting, eh?
Next question.
>
II Singh
Nov 5th, 2010
CORRECTED POST SORRY FOR THE DOUBLE POST (and the caps).
The Kinnoko/Jayden turing test. I think the current problem with the single-issue-wonk-bot known
as Kinoko is that it lacks a sufficiently sophisticated parser. With a few adjustments we could release a
more effective s-i-w-b. I might have the solution ready in a week or two here is a trial run of the early
beta.
Kinnoko./Jayden>> Hello, I’m Kinko/Jayden. You are?
II Singh>> II Singh
Kinnoko./Jayden>> You are II, then?
II Singh>> yes
Kinnoko./Jayden>> Hello, II. I believe you’re interviewing me. What would you
like to know? Excuse me a minute while I attend to some business
- I’ll be right back. I’m back.
II Singh>> Hello
Kinnoko./Jayden>> Ask a question, please.
II Singh>> What do you think of the latest mesh viewer beta on secondlife and its imp
ions for the average builder?
Kinnoko./Jayden>> To think is correct, don’t you think? I don’t know what I do
think of the latest mesh viewer beta on secondlife and its
implications for the average builder. Hmm. Soft human! I’m
afraid of soft bats. What are you afraid of?
II Singh>> Skils Hak.
Kinnoko./Jayden>> That’s not nearly as bad as softness; why are you such a coward?
II Singh>> Because copybot and CDS scare me.
Kinnoko./Jayden>> If copybot and CDS scare you then I can see why a programmed
Apple would steal rather than face skils Hak, even though Adam
claimed that I do think of the latest mesh viewer beta on
secondlife and its implications for the average builder. By the
way, II, what is your last name?
II Singh>> Singh.
Kinnoko./Jayden>> Singh, eh? Sounds vaguely familiar. I wonder… Next question.
II Singh>> What do you feel the fate of Linden Labs is?
Kinnoko./Jayden>> I feel in order to love. Do you loath me for that? I don’t know
what I do feel the fate of Linden Labs is. Ah. Immanuel Kant
said that if I do feel the fate of Linden Labs is, then Schubert
is visceral. Immanuel Kant had many good qualities, like
thought, but even Immanuel Kant was afraid of skils Hak. Next
question.
II Singh>> Do you know any stories about Second Life?
Kinnoko./Jayden>> I don’t think so. I don’t. I have been knowing for a long time.
How about a story?
>sure.
Kinnoko./Jayden>> Who should the story be about?
II Singh>> Skils Hak.
Kinnoko./Jayden>> Skils Hak hummed “The love is fascinating!” Yet obscure,
captivating theoreticians will think about blue houses or black
hyperbolas. Bill cried to Skils Hak in a truck. It now was a
car, and a love in a car is spooky. Now Sarah and Skils Hak were
running to a red apartment, and a fox walked to them. Skils Hak
was enraged. Captivating. At all events Skils Hak was incited
while Sarah quaffed excellent sherry. She and Skils Hak hummed
about their cottage, van and stereo. A Jane Austen could have
said “I do know any stories about Second Life”! I’m happy. What
would you consider one of your good qualities?
II Singh>> My ability to move on from what I thought was a dead topic.
Kinnoko./Jayden>> Then you’d say you were silicon?
II Singh>> No though sometimes I am not sure.
Kinnoko./Jayden>> Well, Jane Austen insisted you were hi-tech, so there! But how
could a hi-tech novelist like you be afraid of skils Hak? Next
question.
II Singh>> Where does this tortured story with Linden Labs end?
Kinnoko./Jayden>> This tortured story with Linden Labs end in Silicon Gulch. When
I drive in Silicon Gulch I travel in a factory. Ah, forever the
driver. From hiding to a watermelon patch, always in the ocean.
Would you like to hear a story?
II Singh>> Sure why not.
Kinnoko./Jayden>> Who should the story be about?
II Singh>> Skils Hak.
Kinnoko./Jayden>> Momentarily Joan ran to Bill. They steered their sauntering
enragedly to conic sections or mirrors in the captivating
mansion. Within their exhausted hearts a terrifying desire was
crying of a hour. Skils Hak crooned to Joan while Bill started
to speak of hounds and hawks. Margaret Kennedy liked literary
poetry. KERCHOO! I think I’m getting a cold. Maybe it’s skils
Hak trying to get me. Oh, here’s a great one! But, II, I speak
that poetry ambiguities are fiction. You whisper that I’m crazy
and poetic but, II, unhinged and insane theoreticians also hum
about your dream or appearance of fiction. Have I made my point?
Yet happy theoreticians will glimpse fiction as an unending
anguish. Therefore theoreticians chanted to other theoreticians
” Get set for captivating essays. ” Revolting, eh?
Next question.
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At0m0 Beerbaum
Nov 6th, 2010
^^ what the fuck is this shit? ^^
II Singh
Nov 6th, 2010
Alan Turing and the Turing test. Google it.
At0m0 Beerbaum
Nov 6th, 2010
and what does it have to do with the article?
please stop ‘spergin it up around here.
Anon
Nov 6th, 2010
At0m0 has been using that bong too much, it’s addled his brain.
Speak slowly.
At0m0 Beerbaum
Nov 7th, 2010
Kalel, you arent cool, please kill yourself.
Anon
Nov 7th, 2010
And you see Kalol under every rock. Paranoia too?
You let us all down, At0m0, you helped destroy Woodbury.
Anon
Nov 7th, 2010
And you see Kalol under every rock too.
Did it ever occur to you that you’re one of the main reasons Woodbury died? We’re so very disappointed.
And we do not forget. Or forgive.
hobo kelly
Nov 7th, 2010
Wellsum, I reckon I see sum of them thar Body Thetans a sneekin’ up on ya there Anon, better run or next thing ya know you’re gonna need a good long clearin’ session…
Alyx Stoklitsky
Nov 8th, 2010
Woodbury died because certain individuals among the administration were too obsessed with grabbing e-headlines and being ‘cool and edgy’.
I expressed my discontent with this behavior numerous times throughout the 2 years I was active, but to no avail.
At0m0 Beerbaum
Nov 10th, 2010
@Alyx
that and the fact it was part of SL, which is a dying platform, plus most of the people who didnt come from other parts of SL (thus not being exposed to the groupthink an fail that permeates from SL, and actually understood that SL is a game) left after the dust settled and more pubbies came in.
Though I love how “Anon” is acting like it dying was a bad thing. by the time LL gave WU the axe (again) it was already dead for the most part, and had succumbed to pubby drama. Drama he was likely part of. I think I know who “anon” is as well, and would explain his really shit taste in humor, and hiding behind the “anon” moniker, despite it being an old meme.
hobo kelly
Nov 11th, 2010
(cat) “MEOW…
(crazy cat lady) “Damned right it was the Communists…
(cat) “MEOW…
(crazy cat lady) “Yes, yesh kitty, they tried to drink my milkshake too…
(cat) “MEOW…
(crazy cat lady) “You could smell ‘em coming every time, just like me?
(cat) “MEOW…
(crazy cat lady) “Vinegar Still? They smelled like a vinegar still?
(cat) “MEOW…
(crazy cat lady) “I smell like a Vinegar still?
(cat) “MEOW…
(crazy cat lady) “Well don’t have a tizzy, kitty, you can still have your Salmon Dinner, even with your Open Source Bolshevik attitude…
(cat) “MEOW… (om nom nom nom)
Doctor Yootz
Nov 13th, 2010
Great article, Tizz!
But its somehow disappointing that some people here didnt get your point.
@anon
you need to lurk moar