Interview With Green Lantern Excelsior of the JLU
by Pixeleen Mistral on 06/09/11 at 3:09 am
Green Lantern Excelsior in the Bronyville sim before Bronyville was deleted (file photo)
This evening I chatted with JLU spokesman Green Lantern Excelsior hoping to discover why Kalel Venkman has been unwilling to discuss the JLU's Brainiac wiki leak situation in anything other than heavily moderated forums. While Green Lantern could only speculate on Kalel's motivations, he did tell me that all "private information" has been removed from the Brainiac wiki - although it will apparently be impossible to verify this - and there are those who would take issue with the JLU's definition of "private".
At this point, Green Lantern seems resigned to an ongoing conflict and told me "There's nothing we could do to convince people that the group has changed. Some folks would never believe that, no matter what evidence was presented. They just want us gone."
However, even in the worst case - a permaban for the JLU members - it seems that there could be a home from Mr. Lantern should he decide to return on an alt account and he volunteered that his first choice in land rentals would be Prokofy Neva's Ravensglass properties.
Somehow, I was not surprised.
Pixeleen Mistral: So Green Lantern - it seems like the JLU continues to be a target on SLUniverse
GreenLantern Excelsior: Yeah it's kind of obsessive over there
Pixeleen Mistral: but you guys are not backing down from what I can see
GreenLantern Excelsior: All of the private information was removed from the wiki. I suppose you could call that "backing down."
Pixeleen Mistral: Some of the SL residents might not believe that the private information has been removed though - is there any way to satisfy them?
GreenLantern Excelsior: Not that I know of. Maybe one of the master hackers can find it again and break in.
Pixeleen Mistral: it might work if there was a disinterested third party that was given complete access - but I am not sure who would be a disinterested third party
Pixeleen Mistral: so why did you guys remove the private information? did LL tell you to?
GreenLantern Excelsior: I can't really talk about that.
Pixeleen Mistral: ok
GreenLantern Excelsior: Different members had different ideas about whether it should be stored or not. I know some of us are happy that it's gone.
Pixeleen Mistral: my impression - and this is based on reading some of the leaks and watching the JLU membership fall - is that there has been some spirited discussion about keeping private information in your wiki
Pixeleen Mistral: at the same time I wonder if you can salvage your group's image
GreenLantern Excelsior: Some special interest groups are making a fuss over this. But SL Universe is not everyone on the grid.
Pixeleen Mistral: the factions you guys have been fighting for the last few years have pretty much nothing to lose at this point, so I would not expect them to be easily mollified
GreenLantern Excelsior: There's nothing we could do to convince people that the group has changed. Some folks would never believe that, no matter what evidence was presented. They just want us gone.
Pixeleen Mistral: well - if you get banned you could always come back on alts - I've seen that done before
GreenLantern Excelsior: Yeah! I could go live at Ravenglass maybe.
Pixeleen Mistral: I wouldn't recommend it
Pixeleen Mistral: I hear the landlord there is a real pain
GreenLantern Excelsior: From some of the posts I'm seeing on SLU, I'm thinking the landlord might be friendly
Pixeleen Mistral: good point
Pixeleen Mistral: are you concerned that this SLUniverse controversy might affect your relationship with Linden Lab?
GreenLantern Excelsior: That does worry me a little. They are making a lot of noise on Facebook and Twitter, hoping that LL will notice. Luckily it takes more than noise.
GreenLantern Excelsior: They are looking for any place to input their complaints. Unfortunately the only evidence they have was obtained by illegal methods so they will be in big trouble if they present it.
Pixeleen Mistral: you guys have not done anything illegal though?
GreenLantern Excelsior: I wouldn't say so. We saved the results of Google searches on a private website. I've always thought we should have had links to where we found the information, just to assure everyone that it wasn't obtained by going through people's garbage can or something.
Pixeleen Mistral: ok - so not illegal - but what about moral? I think a lot of the outrage I am seeing at SLUniverse is centered on things that offend people
GreenLantern Excelsior: Many of those people are offended that we patrol sandboxes without having a Linden Lab employee ID card.
Pixeleen Mistral: for instance - the thing about contacting C0d3c's family when he was in the final stages of AIDS - Deadly C0d3c had made arrangements well in advance for his friends to be contacted by his family - I know this because he told me about it
Pixeleen Mistral: I don't think you appreciate the level of outrage that you guys created with that stunt
GreenLantern Excelsior: I didn't know that. I looked at his sister's Facebook page, and contacting her was basically a spur of the moment thought on my part. I didn't do it on behalf of JLU and I didn't tell her my relationship to Deadly other than he was a friend. People who want to make that into an evil JLU revenge stunt are sick puppies IMHO.
Pixeleen Mistral: well - all I can tell you is that C0d3c made prior arrangements so that those he considered his friends would be notified
GreenLantern Excelsior: Okay. His sister did let me know via Facebook when he passed away. I expressed my regret and that's the last time I spoke to her.
Pixeleen Mistral: One thing I don't understand is why Kalel is not speaking up about all this
Pixeleen Mistral: I mean the JLU is taking a beating in at least some forums and Kalel is not speaking out. What is Kalel afraid of?
GreenLantern Excelsior: I don't know the exact motivation there. I suppose one idea is that people will lose interest sooner or later. I tried reasoning with the SLU folks and you saw where it got me. Nothing any of us could say will convince them that we aren't an evil menace to Second Life.
GreenLantern Excelsior: Maybe convincing them isn't high on some people's priority list.
Pixeleen Mistral: that could be a big part of the JLU's PR problem - Kalel is giving the impression that he is better than the rank and file SL players
Pixeleen Mistral: so he doesn't really care what they think - because he feels he is one of the best and brightest or something - that is not going to go over well
GreenLantern Excelsior: I wouldn't put it that way
Pixeleen Mistral: I'm just telling you how it appears
GreenLantern Excelsior: Maybe he doesn't feel like saying "Here I am, a giant easy to hit target, and I'm here so all the SLU members can throw knives at me." I felt like that for a while. That's another reason I'm not going back there, because it's impossible to reason with unreasonable people, and those are some of the most unreasonable I've met.
GreenLantern Excelsior: For example, I was suspended for showing real life details for someone who doesn't have a real life any more. Now we have Fred Rookstown revealing RL information but that's just fine. Also, someone linked to a blog where one of the pro-JLU folks says he may soon be homeless in RL.
Pixeleen Mistral: Maybe the problem is that when someone like Cheergirl Allen finds Kalel's spy prims hidden undergound on a sim where they were not authorized to be - and Kalel doesn't respond - it comes off like arrogance
Pixeleen Mistral: I never though I would see the day when a cheerleader would take on the super heroes - and the leader of the super heroes would not be brave enough to step up and explain himself
GreenLantern Excelsior: Cheergirl found a remote probe for a Thomas Conover sim radar that we were using to monitor that sim for problems as authorized by the Antiquity leadership. The probe hides itself underground by design. Obviously at the time it was rezzed, Kalel had build permissions there. They're trying as hard as they can to make that into something underhanded but they are failing at it.
Pixeleen Mistral: this just makes the JLU look weak and sneaky - you guys ought to rethink your approach - and Kalel ought to stop hiding behind you
Pixeleen Mistral: from what I am told Kalel was not authorized to put that probe in that sim
GreenLantern Excelsior: I heard different
Pixeleen Mistral: maybe Kalel should step up and explain why it was actually OK
Pixeleen Mistral: seriously GLE - this Kalel in the shadows thing makes you guys look even more creepy
GreenLantern Excelsior: He did talk about it, just not on SLU or the Herald: http://secondthoughts.typepad.com/second_thoughts///spy-vs-spy-kalel-venkman-replies-to-query-about-cheergirls-allegations.html
Pixeleen Mistral: perhaps he should talk about it somewhere that does not moderate the comments so heavily so there could be a dialog - or is Kalel afraid of dialog?
GreenLantern Excelsior: Some people enjoy Arguing On The Internet. Others think their time is better spent elsewhere. There's no fear involved.
Pixeleen Mistral: great - then when can I have an interview with Kalel?
GreenLantern Excelsior: I don't know his schedule. Drop him a notecard and maybe he will respond.
Pixeleen Mistral: oh good - I must be off his mute list then
GreenLantern Excelsior: I didn't know he had you muted
Pixeleen Mistral: my advice - you guys need to get your leader out in public answering questions - and not on heavily moderated forums like Krypton Radio and Second Thoughts
Pixeleen Mistral: you also need to get a third party that is above reproach looking over your wiki to verify that the private information is completely gone - and does not come back. that might be the only way you can turn this mess around
GreenLantern Excelsior: That's one thing that's nice about the Herald, that comments are unmoderated. I think it's pretty clear that it's also a hostile venue, so maybe that's part of the reason you haven't been offered an interview. You could always ask questions on the Krypton Radio topic and get your answers that way. I don't know how that third party thing would ever work although maybe some of the Mentor folks would be good choices.
Pixeleen Mistral: you guys need to stop doing secret things - because there is a large group that does not trust you at all now and that groups seems unlikely to give up anytime soon
GreenLantern Excelsior: They will never give up as long as JLU exists.
Ryokashi
Sep 6th, 2011
The information shouldn’t have been there in the first place! No shit people are doubtful when they’re claiming they removed it!
Economic Engineer
Sep 6th, 2011
“Pixeleen Mistral: so why did you guys remove the private information? did LL tell you to?
GreenLantern Excelsior: I can’t really talk about that.”
and you wonder why people don’t trust you?
Imnotgoing Sideways
Sep 6th, 2011
“They will never give up as long as JLU exists.”
Preeeeeeeecisely. (^_^)
So, please, stop existing and let the good people of Second Life have fun, for once. (^_^)y
potosi abonwood
Sep 6th, 2011
Pixeleen Mistral: that could be a big part of the JLU’s PR problem – Kalel is giving the impression that he is better than the rank and file SL players
Pixeleen Mistral: so he doesn’t really care what they think – because he feels he is one of the best and brightest or something – that is not going to go over well
GreenLantern Excelsior: I wouldn’t put it that way
Then how would you put it? Us regular users would really like to know why he feels the need to be up on a high horse looking down on us. If he really cared about the average person in SL then he wouldn’t be afraid to come down and talk to us. But all we get are crickets. That silence speaks more about his character than anything you, or anyone else, can ever say.
CheerGirl Allen
Sep 6th, 2011
GreenLantern Excelsior: Cheergirl found a remote probe for a Thomas Conover sim radar that we were using to monitor that sim…
LIE
He never had build permissions on that sim. Proof can be seen on the pictures i posted that clearly show the object in question was NOT set to the Land group of my Sim. NOT ANTIQUITY TEXAS!!!!!
Gaara Sandalwood
Sep 6th, 2011
“You could always ask questions on the Krypton Radio topic and get your answers that way.”
Except you never approve questions on KR that bring up the sensitive details that you can’t talk about, or you skirt around them.
LeeHere Absent
Sep 6th, 2011
Imnotgoing Sideways said…
“So, please, stop existing and let the good people of Second Life have fun, for once. (^_^)y”
What kind of fun would that be then?
CheerGirl Allen
Sep 6th, 2011
[11:37] Kalel Venkman: (Saved Sat Sep 03 12:09:26 2011) I believe the region in question was Texas Antiquity. Until recently we had offices there at the invitation of Jacon Cortes. He had asked the League to periodically patrol his estate, and to provide training for his estate managers with respect to estate security techniques and procedures.
Liar Liar Spandex on Fire
The Sim was NOT ANTIQUITY TEXAS!
Harold J. Lines
Sep 6th, 2011
So does GLE actually know for a fact that the information was removed from the wiki now, or is he still taking Kalel’s word for it, and expecting that to be proof enough for us?
Tinkleberry Yamabushi
Sep 6th, 2011
Hahahahaha! “Stop doing secret things.” Rich, yo! Would you care to give us all your sources? Every discussion you’ve had with, say, the WU people? How about you, Ryo? Tell us about all the things you’ve done with your griefer pals. Please. Oh, don’t worry. We’ll believe you. We’ll certainly believe you’ve told us the whole truth! HAHAHAHAHAHA!
lolol
Sep 6th, 2011
LOL reading all the drama and shrilling on the slu site is some funny shit.
Don’t stop now.
Gaara Sandalwood
Sep 6th, 2011
Some finer points I figured I would touch up on here, just to give some extra voice on the Herald:
“Cheergirl found a remote probe for a Thomas Conover sim radar that we were using to monitor that sim for problems as authorized by the Antiquity leadership.”
You do remember the part where the Ambassador of Antiquity said in his recent interview that he specifically told the JLU from the start of the alliance to not spy or patrol, and only to teach the estate managers how to better handle griefer attacks, right? Furthermore, that was left there for days after the Antiquity Ambassador completely cut ties with the JLU recently. Why did you guys leave it there?
“All of the private information was removed from the wiki. I suppose you could call that “backing down.”
Sorry, but just because I’m told this by a member of the JLU does not mean I am supposed to believe it 100%.
“Unfortunately the only evidence they have was obtained by illegal methods so they will be in big trouble if they present it.”
Keep tellin’ yourself that, if it makes you feel better.
“Also, someone linked to a blog where one of the pro-JLU folks says he may soon be homeless in RL.”
The pro-JLU in question being a known copy-botter who ripped someone’s stuff for his own benefit, and who pretty much discredits every bit of evidence shown about these events simply “Because he can”. Also, that blog post was public and available to just as many people as these Google searches your group claims to solely use for the searching and scouring of real life info.
“GreenLantern Excelsior: I can’t really talk about that.”
There seem to be a whole lot of things you can’t really talk about. Maybe people wouldn’t be as paranoid as you keep making them out to be if you guys were a little less, well, paranoid, and a little more open.
“I think it’s pretty clear that it’s also a hostile venue, so maybe that’s part of the reason you haven’t been offered an interview.”
You mean it’s a venue that allows people to express their dislike of the JLU, right? Pretty sure that’s what you meant to say.
“GreenLantern Excelsior: They will never give up as long as JLU exists. ”
yeah, I wonder why…
/sarcasm
Gaara Sandalwood
Sep 6th, 2011
Even if it was Antiquity, in which case, it seems it isn’t. But just sayin’, ya know, in case you insist on the Antiquity route.
GreenLantern Excelsior
Sep 6th, 2011
Yes, the sim was Antiquity Texas, the sim where JLU had an office in the Texas State Capitol. Building and scripts are turned on for everyone in that sim, so the accusation that something underhanded was going on is simply untrue.
Victor1st Mornington
Sep 6th, 2011
“Also, someone linked to a blog where one of the pro-JLU folks says he may soon be homeless in RL.”
I was the person who linked the blog. hi GLE, im Victor1st…the guy who is the co-owner of the Dr Who Expo? That person who is “pro JLU” posted this info on his public blog which is read by his side of the dr who community.
Also, he is a CAUGHT and KNOWN copybotter who copied the base of a dalek avatar which the staff of our sim, who was interviewed by YOUR member made.
A KNOWN COPYBOTTER…
The kind of person the JLU is supposed to report? I dont see you reporting him, i dont see the rest of the high ups in JLU reporting him. Here’s a fact for ya GLE, the JLU only report “greifers” and copybotters if it does not interfere with the JLU’s plans of gaining a foothold in a community. Well guess what GLE, since the JLU are more than happy to fall into bed with a known copybotter in the dr who community you can consider the Dr Who group and the bulk of the community’s front door slammed in you and your group leaders face.
Gaara Sandalwood
Sep 6th, 2011
Again, if it was in Antiquity:
Read where I said that the Ambassador desired no spying or patrolling, at all, and also, read where I said he openly cut ties with you.
Your office, and that device, should have been gone for a while, and took discovering by another player, and a Linden on the scene, to get rid of it.
Just like your group claimed Corsi wasn’t the final word in FurNation and that because you were friends with an estate manager, you could enter as you pleased.
hobo kelly
Sep 6th, 2011
someone recently said that when they ran a whois on the JLU servers it came back to somewhere in arizona. Glendale I wonder? how long until the search warrants show up at his door?
GreenLantern Excelsior
Sep 6th, 2011
I misspoke when I said that private information had been removed from the wiki. We removed all the PERSONAL information from the wiki. None of it was private, because it all came from Google searches on public websites. And it’s all gone now.
As I understand it, Jacon Cortes knew about and authorized the probe which was placed in Antiquity Texas. Maybe he should have told CheerGirl about it so she wouldn’t have been so surprised to find it there.
Gaara Sandalwood
Sep 6th, 2011
GLE, you claim is very hard to believe. Not JUST because I don’t completely trust you at this point, but because of things I already brought up at SLU:
1. So you’re telling me that you got someone’s private medical information, and in PARTICULAR, all of that information on Tux Winkler, via Google? I know some people have apparently displayed this info, but they didn’t display it for your wiki. Just because you are capable of viewing it does not mean you have a right to document it.
2. If you DID do it all through Google searches, that means you have a few people regularly googling for specific individuals that you consider targets, trying to glean as much information as possible, which is obsessive and creepy.
Even if it’s not entirely illegal, you can’t deny that that isn’t exactly the moral high ground approach.
As for Antiquity, I see you’re pushing the blame off to him. Granted, he should have cleaned everything out. However, he possibly had no idea that that device was there, and didn’t it ever occur to you to go:
“Well, Jacon, we have a radar device on your sim, that we feel you should remove if you no longer wish to be affiliated with us”
Did it never occur to bring that up with him?
Internet Winnar
Sep 6th, 2011
Interweb n00bs! u all forgot the 1st lesson of the tubes and now ur whining like little bitches!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7eIUOUfhoJ8
We
Sep 6th, 2011
@GLE
Regarding private/public information:
Just because you can find something on google, doesn’t mean it’s “public” information.
For example, if a person had a public page where they said their real life name, address, medical history, etc, and then put down “I use this account in SL”, sure that’s public information. They themselves are willfully connecting that information in one place and putting it out there.
On the other hand, if you know someone’s e-mail address, put a google search into it, find another alias they use, search that, find another e-mail that connects to a site that uses a real life name and address, that is private information, you simply are following a search & analysis thread. The person didn’t intend this information to be public or connected, and just slipped up in leaving a trail to follow.
This is something the JLU has done to get their information, Maverick especially seemed fond of connecting loose threads to get a bigger picture on the “intel”. Not to mention the other ways of getting information like personal e-mails, interviewing friends (or former friends, like the person saying she’d tell all about Corsi), and tracking people down in SL conventions or other real life scenarios.
So no, not everything you get is from google, nor is everything got by google considered private information.
hobo kelly
Sep 6th, 2011
Ok, everybody stop right now and read this. This is your survival guide. It will help you arm yourselves against these vile stalkers, Venkman, Excelsior, Tamtam, Neva et al. It will require that you actually stop and clear your mind and read some text and take the time while you read the text to actually comprehend. Re-reading it a second time is ok. Especially look at the Methods section and the extra links at the bottom. It will explain a lot of things including Forums Disruption tactics. Read now:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cointelpro
hobo kelly
Sep 6th, 2011
some takeaway excerpts:
“The program was successfully kept secret until 1971, when a group of left-wing radicals calling themselves the Citizens’ Commission to Investigate the FBI burglarized an FBI field office in Media, Pennsylvania, took several dossiers, and exposed the program by passing this information to news agencies.”
could be rewritten:
“The program was successfully kept secret until 2009, when a group of left-wing radicals calling themselves The Wrong Hands burglarized a JLU wiki server run out of Simi Valley California, took several hundred wiki pages, and exposed the program by passing this information to news agencies.”
and also:
“…the FBI conducted a sophisticated vigilante operation aimed squarely at preventing the exercise of First Amendment rights of speech and association, on the theory that preventing the growth of dangerous groups and the propagation of dangerous ideas would protect the national security and deter violence”
could be rewritten:
“…the JLU conducted a sophisticated vigilante operation aimed squarely at preventing the exercise of SL TOS rights of speech and association, on the theory that preventing the growth of dangerous groups and the propagation of dangerous memes would protect the Grid and deter griefing”
are you part of this operation Linden Labs? how deep in this mess are you Linden Labs?
Gaara Sandalwood
Sep 6th, 2011
I found this VERY similar:
“COINTELPRO tactics included discrediting targets through psychological warfare, planting false reports in the media, smearing through forged letters, harassment, wrongful imprisonment, extralegal violence and assassination.”
There’s evidence of each of those things in some way, except maybe assassination, and even then that could be compared(albeit a bit of a stretch), to things like the Drone1 mass eject where Kalel got an alt into officer position in W-Hat and ejected every non-officer member.
CheerGirl Allen
Sep 6th, 2011
@GLE
what language do you need me to say this in.
THE SIM I FOUND THE KALEL’S SCRIPTED PRIMS IN AND POSTED PHOTOS ON SLU WAS NOT ANTIQUITY TEXAS.
I know it, Kalel Knows it, TJ Linden Knows it.
Trinity
Sep 6th, 2011
“I looked at his sister’s Facebook page, and contacting her was basically a spur of the moment thought on my part. I didn’t do it on behalf of JLU and I didn’t tell her my relationship to Deadly other than he was a friend.”
…
Senban Babii
Sep 6th, 2011
@GLE
Okay, I want to address two points here.
“That’s one thing that’s nice about the Herald, that comments are unmoderated. I think it’s pretty clear that it’s also a hostile venue, so maybe that’s part of the reason you haven’t been offered an interview.”
Have you ever seriously considered the fact that the reason you come up against so much hostility is that there is so much to be hostile about? Let’s discount Krypton Radio and Prok’s blog because we know they’re heavily moderated to present specific views and agendas to present facts as you want them to be perceived. However in open discussion, you encounter huge amounts of hostility. Yes, some comes from people and groups who you have traditionally created friction with but increasingly we are seeing the common user of SL voicing their hostility to your group and its actions. You can’t simply brush it under the carpet. You really need to pause and realise you’ve crossed way too many lines for way too many people.
“GreenLantern Excelsior: All of the private information was removed from the wiki. I suppose you could call that “backing down.”"
Okay, here’s my second point. The hostility is not simply about the collection and storage of private information. Yes, that’s a big part of it but it’s not the whole issue. The collection of *any* information is a flawed approach. For those here who don’t read SLU, let me provide this link. In it I proved that the JLU’s wiki entry on myself was badly wrong, mistakes that even taking a thirty second glance at my SL profile would have corrected yet the JLU were seemingly more interested in creating tenuous links between myself and Tux Winkler. If the JLU can make even such simple errors with publicly available information, can you not see that any wiki entries must be treated as entirely unreliable in their accuracy? And given that the JLU reference this wiki before their AR parties or when seeking background facts about a resident, do you not see how amazingly flawed your whole system is?
http://www.sluniverse.com/php/vb/general-sl-discussion/63339-jlu-harvesting-ip-addresses-299.html#post1366646
To reiterate. Removing the non-SL data is a step in the right direction although I personally don’t trust that you have. However the bigger issue is the methodology of the JLU as a whole. Your whole system is heavily flawed and morally repugnant. You need to completely renounce any form of AR party, any form of covert intelligence gathering and put right whatever you’ve done wrong where possible (such as that issue with Drone1 Resident). And you need to own your mistakes. No more denials, no more weaving around the spirit of the TOS, no more spin doctoring.
Senban Babii
Sep 6th, 2011
Okay, make it three points.
“[17:37] Kalel Venkman If it’s the truth, then we can escalate to his employers.”
[17:39] Samantha Lowell Send a copy to his dean , mayhap?
[17:40] Kalel Venkman Name A (full, flubbed)[ ? ]. It should be send to the IT department at University[ ? ], which is where he works as a Job[ ? ].
[17:40] Kalel Venkman Sorry – that’s Name A (full, corrected)[ ? ].
[17:40] Kalel Venkman Sending a copy to the head of Name A[ ? ] IT would probably be a good idea too.
Taken from http://trollmanual.com/wiki/Meeting_of_Apr_11,_2010
And this is why you encounter so much hostility. It’s fully deserved in my opinion.
Cathiee McMillan
Sep 6th, 2011
@GLE
Cheer DID not find it in Antiquity!!!!! SIMPLE END OF STORY stop trying to say it was found in that sim.
2nd IT WAS PURCHASED by Ka’el, the Creator of the DEVICE has nothing to do with it. KA’EL placed it and USED IT.
Get it thru your THICK HEAD.
Yes it is TRUE everything you may have found for you secret WIKI was thru Google searches. YOU ARE NOT LICENSED Private Investigators to STORE this information in 1 LOCATION.
YOU ALL HAVE LIED every chance you get. First their is NO PRIVATE info then its OHHH their was, BUT NOT NOW.
You tell me HOW can we TRUST anything you all can SAY.
You screwed your self in this GLE by lying and changing your stories.
We can go look at the old wiki and post alot of crap, and guess what it is all true WHY cause Ka’el claimed it was a breach of DMCA!!!
BEST to do is make public your WIKI so people can see it all.
Ka’el should speak to in SLU or here. IF HE HAS NOTHING TO HIDE.
JLU you all are CYBER STALKERS plain and SIMPLE
Please look at this and see you all fall into the majority of this stuff.
A number of key factors have been identified:
False accusations. Many cyberstalkers try to damage the reputation of their victim and turn other people against them. They post false information about them on websites. They may set up their own websites, blogs or user pages for this purpose. They post allegations about the victim to newsgroups, chat rooms or other sites that allow public contributions, such as Wikipedia or Amazon.com.
Attempts to gather information about the victim. Cyberstalkers may approach their victim’s friends, family and work colleagues to obtain personal information. They may advertise for information on the Internet, or hire a private detective. They often will monitor the victim’s online activities and attempt to trace their IP address in an effort to gather more information about their victims.
Encouraging others to harass the victim. Many cyberstalkers try to involve third parties in the harassment. They may claim the victim has harmed the stalker or his/her family in some way, or may post the victim’s name and telephone number in order to encourage others to join the pursuit.
False victimization. The cyberstalker will claim that the victim is harassing him/her. Bocij writes that this phenomenon has been noted in a number of well-known cases.
Attacks on data and equipment. They may try to damage the victim’s computer by sending viruses.
Ordering goods and services. They order items or subscribe to magazines in the victim’s name. These often involve subscriptions to pornography or ordering sex toys then having them delivered to the victim’s workplace.
Arranging to meet. Young people face a particularly high risk of having cyberstalkers try to set up meetings between them.
Cathiee McMillan
Sep 6th, 2011
@GLE:
This is what Kalel said over in Second Thoughts
[11:37] Kalel Venkman: (Saved Sat Sep 03 12:09:26 2011) I believe the region in question was Texas Antiquity. Until recently we had offices there at the invitation of Jacon Cortes. He had asked the League to periodically patrol his estate, and to provide training for his estate managers with respect to estate security techniques and procedures.
LET ME REPEAT THE FIRST LINE FOR YOU
“I believe the region in question was Texas Antiquity. ”
So HE DOESN’T even know!!!!
SO Cheergirl found a device on her land!!! WHY did your Leader place it there? WHY WAS he STALKING HER?
IS he scorned cause cheerleaders never dated him in highschool?
You all really need to stop the stalking of SL residents.
YOU ARE NOT THE PROTECTORS OF SECOND LIFE!!!
Tux
Sep 6th, 2011
‘GreenLantern Excelsior: For example, I was suspended for showing real life details for someone who doesn’t have a real life any more.’
This ^ is disgraceful. Not about you being suspended, but simply for saying this.
Dave
Sep 6th, 2011
What? Bronyville is closed? I was there yesterday. By accident, I assure you…
Nelson Jenkins
Sep 6th, 2011
Allow an independent investigative commission outside Linden Lab to audit your database and all source code of the system. Until you complete this and the commission publishes a report stating that JLU does not participate in data harvesting, I will not believe what you say, and neither will any other competent internet user.
Still waiting.
Mexico
Sep 6th, 2011
The chat spies were not in Antiquity Texas so STFU. Go here and look north than turn about 30 degrees to the right.
http://slurl.com/secondlife/Antiquity%20Tejas/222/166/16
You can match the screenshot perfectly with every bump of land. The only difference is your parcel borders would be red unless you joined Cheergirls group. Porky can eat a bag of dicks too because it is not in public build.
http://www.sluniverse.com/php/vb/attachments/general-sl-discussion/23689d1314981032-jlu-harvesting-ip-addresses-clipboard01.jpg
Yep
Sep 6th, 2011
Go getem Tiger
paul
Sep 6th, 2011
I volunteer to be the independent investigative committee!
LeaveAReply
Sep 6th, 2011
I have the two Connover radar, the SIM connover radar and the HUD version. The remote sensors are able to send information to the HUD radar but can not say if the SIM is under grieffer attack.
With the HUD version you can kill anyone in damage zones like rausch or combat core. But you can add your own attacks, for example you can add orbiters, followers, deformers, laggers, clusters and of course chat spy.
The important is not the remote sensor, the important is the inventory of the sensor.
Dave Bell
Sep 6th, 2011
I’m not subject to US Law, and where I live this JLU data-collection and storage would be illegal. The key word is not “private” but “personal”, and the whole issue is something of a minefield. An IP address might be personal data, because it can identify an individual. It also might not be, but the legal advice is to treat it as though it is.
Most of the practical details should be good professional practise, such as keeping the data safe, secure, and accurate. It doesn’t look like they are handling “safe and secure” all that well.
It isn’t that difficult to make this sort of data collection legal, where I am. but the secrecy about the JLU itself–no RL contact details that would satisfy a lawyer, and no obvious chain of responsibility–looks really bad.
One thing we don’t have, which I think some US states have, are laws regulating private detectives. I think JLU would be caught out by the duck test on that.
SPACETARD
Sep 6th, 2011
Sorry GLE,
All I see is a bunch of side stepping.
You guys really are a bunch of asses.
Jumpman Lane
Sep 6th, 2011
Could I be reminded again why Cheergirl has such a hard on for the JLU! of course they are tardy saps & CheerTurd and her turdy pals like to masquerade as virtual rights champions but something ain’t jivin here! Lol if I have to investigate this crap Ima tell it all and tell it like it us!
@ CheerSap Allen! um go bimbo go hehehe u ain’t quit sl yet! U will in the end I swear it!
Bunjie
Sep 6th, 2011
I think it’s pretty sad, I find him cuter as a Brony that seems to be breaking the boundary I all ready erected (pun intended) so as not to participate in that part of the furry fandom.
But it feels manipulative in some way as I have a soft spot for furries, as is the same premise and intent that they always stated was the reason they wore superhero costumes, to get new residents to feel they’re able to save them and to break mental boundaries so people will be sympathetic to them and their cause or needs.
Evidently I could imagine they knew SL was bringing in allot of furries, which is why they wanted to monitor furnation and hang out with friends there, not just because of the PN attacks, I see the same with steelhead visits to curry favor with the steampunks, it’s all a manipulative impressionism by targeting the largest factions/groups and interests.
He really does encourage me to perhaps look into that fandom area more than he ever would have done with the whole superhero thing, I used to think they we’re good for tv/comics/movies/books but drew the line at real life rp/larp/psychotic superhero shakedowns.
And as It’s been going on for far too long I’ve lost the moral outrage, I guess the JLU have just notched up so much shit, degree by degree I’ve got used to it…. Not that it’s right either way so I hang around and hope it comes to a conclusion with some closure.
Maybe that’s part of the problem the JLU have lost the moral outrage and moral guidance, they just got used to doing things that we think are tremendously awful by raising the bar each time they went out and fought with anyone or other groups.
But still the fact they’ve inadvertently spent 3+ years getting to know many residents real lives, loves and experiences and still haven’t grown a heart to counter the progressive loss of their morals is astonishing.
Spend 2 weeks with someone you hate, and get to know their life and back story and if you don’t at the minimum start to understand them in some way or why they do things, you’re too far gone down a rabbit hole and should seek help before you’re a danger to others.
Nelson Jenkins
Sep 6th, 2011
@ Dave Bell
The collection of personal data, private or not, is illegal per California Penal Code 653.2 if it is done to place the person in reasonable fear for his safety or the safety of his immediate family, to cause them unwanted physical contact or injury, or to facilitate harassment. (ding ding ding ding ding)
Cathiee McMillan
Sep 6th, 2011
As i have said this before. Kalel and the members of the JLU who are doing this are not Private Investigators. I have yet to see their Investigator license to hold any of this information.
Posing as an Investigator can get them in legal trouble.
They are not a Neighbor hood watch.
I have a Neighbor hood watch in my RL street but i don’t go snooping into peoples lives. Plus i know my neighbors.
I DO NOT know the members of t he JLU I do not trust them to keep any data SL or RL on me and my family or friends.
Its that simple NO ONE ASKED them to do this.
If they can present me with their Investigator license in the next day then i will stop.
Reader
Sep 6th, 2011
“…If they can present me with their Investigator license in the next day then i will stop.”
No you won’t. This is all you have. And you love that they have INFO on you because it makes you feel wanted. Don’t hide from that.
Kiddoh
Sep 6th, 2011
@Reader
What are you, retarded? If it’s all they have then they would have no choice but to stop.
Reader
Sep 6th, 2011
@Kiddoh
Read much? Let me explain it to you nerd. This dude Cathiee won’t stop, because this ‘drama’ is all he has. Not that any of these JLU will produce a license mind you, but even if they did, JP would ignore that and be clammering for more attention, by ‘bitch’ing about something else. I’m starting to wonder who is obsessing more now, JLU or you nerds? SLU has fallen into a funk. Prok kicked your measly asses over there. Time to turn off your computers, go watch Sponge Bob and have some milk & cookies.
Cathiee McMillan
Sep 6th, 2011
@ Reader,
Exactly the JLU will not produce a license which is the whole point they can’t and won’t.
I am sorry you don’t feel that the JLU is doing is wrong.
But I don’t desire my RL to be stalked by these people thru Second Life. They are people I don’t trust.
I see obviously your one of my fans that reads that hate blog about me. why not go and post on the hate blog Reader or start your own.
hobo kelly
Sep 6th, 2011
ok mischief makers, time for an afternoon cartoon while you are taking a break from suckinglife. come on along and lets see what the Cartoon Machine has in store for us today. Oh my mischief makers, this one is short but good. hope you like it. lets watch now!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qzd1h0QZ968
paul
Sep 6th, 2011
@ cathiee
Where in Reader’s commentary did you get the impression that he “don’t feel that the JLU is doing is wrong”???
Can any of you drama queens get it through your pea brains that just because someone is not favor of drama filled self serving lynch mobs, it does not, de facto, make them supporters of or apologists for costumed vigilantes? Maybe that is expecting too much of y’all, intellectually. I am sure by now, Reader and I are on some damn secret griefer database like this:
00456: Paul, personage, possible JLU affiliate or even member.
I suppose the hypocrisy of finding someone guilty by presumed association that you all ascribe to while simultaneously condemning the JLU for exactly the same thing is lost on you.
also, Reader is right, Prok totally is kicking all your asses on that SLU blog.
Reader
Sep 6th, 2011
@Cathiee (JP)
No need to go to that fail-blog about your life, it obviously served it’s purpose (repeatedly) and there are numerous other places to tweak your noodle – like here. You draw bad conclusions because you ARE in fact the essence of that fail-blog:
JLU felt compelled to ‘research’ second life users, stored those findings obtained from the public domain in a centralized place, amassed plenty of infos over the years without a doubt and FAILED to secure it. Smart & prudent? Hardly. Broke the law? Like Prok keeps reiterating; “Show ‘us’ the case!” otherwise shut the **** up.
WU/TWH/professors/nerds/fanatics form a lynch-mob and exude mass butt-hurt in their attempts to expose them (JLU) on the net because none of them have the balls to take things to the next level, choosing instead to run a smear campaign to oust them from SL; to somehow discredit their name. Admirable? Potentially if it was approached differently IMHO. They want attention but then they don’t; they abhor the name calling and finger pointing then fall victim to the same – and – they suffer self denial in all of this by the mere fact that they are the banned types to begin with (most of them anyway..). Makes all kinds of sense. LOL
And observers that comment on the complete stupidity of ALL of this are automatically JLU supporters; OK, right ! Whatever you say. Don’t be an idiot. Back to the basement with you JP; the next scintillating episode of Sponge Bob is coming up next. Lesson number one for you JP is (should have been) – Get off the internet.
The whole thing smacks of children in a day-care center fighting over toys that don’t even belong to them. Mental Midgetry at it’s best.