SLCC 2011 Drama!!! Avatar Identity: Privacy and Transparency in Social Media
by Pixeleen Mistral on 20/09/11 at 3:31 am
Mysterious threats leads to last minute SLCC program revision - a pattern of harassment?
The first indication I would be playing another round of Second Life as a real life alternative reality game came a few hours before the SLCC 2011 panel discussion on Avatar Identity: Privacy and Transparency in Social Media.
I was eating lunch, sitting next to Brent Baum and comparing notes on the SLCC experience. I'll have much more to say about Brent's surprising adventures soon - his impressive background in the entertainment business and abruptly terminated one year tenure in SL provide a fascinating perspective on Second Life. Our conversation was interrupted by news that there was a change in plans for the Avatar Identity panel discussion. Apparently the conference organizers had yielded to pressure by a party who they would not name. The panel discussion would not be streamed into Second Life as originally planned and there were issues with my biography, although it had been published at the SLCC site weeks ago.
Oh noes! More bad luck for the long-suffering SL players!!! Maybe Second Life isn't very good for attending meetings after all. Is this why Rod Humble can't seem to significantly improve player concurrency?
The bearer of bad tidings consoled me with the promise that the session would be taped and posted sometime after the conference. Last week, the discussion deemed potentially too controversial to air live in SL was made available here.
Before I go on, I'd like to thank the conference organizers for running an interesting event overall. I'd like to think that despite the slightly surreal drama, the panel discussion is an example of how to make the SLCC a bit more than a fanboy convention. At the same time, I sincerely hope the SLCC leadership will take steps to insulate themselves from the pressure to produce a hopelessly gimped pablum program unable to discuss the real issues and concerns of the SL community for fear of controversy or offending the game gods. For starters, perhaps a blanket disclaimer stating any opinions expressed are not necessarily those of the organizers is in order.
Last minute revisions to the SLCC program
While the panel discussion spanned everything from google-bombing internet kooks, the notorious Evangeline from TSO, avatar identities, pseudonyms, brands, and business opportunities for enhanced online privacy, I didn't think to mention the need for secrecy for those filing complaints about speaker biographies during the discussion. I'll know better next time.
Despite publishing verbatim the biography I sent on the SLCC web site weeks earlier, by the day of the conference panel, a badly nerfed version was on display at the site. It also seemed that pages 25 and 26 had been cut out of the printed conference programs by hand, and an unbound page with a revised version of the nerfed pages inserted. How much did that cost?
What sort of horrific typo - or threat - could have led to the bowdlerization re-working of the conference program at the last minute? Here is my bio as originally posted:
Pixeleen Mistral is the managing editor of the Alphaville Herald (http://alphavilleherald.com/), where she covers online culture and governance, griefing, vigilantes, and hactivism. Ms. Mistral began writing for the Herald sports desk in 2006 and became managing editor late that year.
Pixeleen's real life typist has been involved in developing Internet technologies for over 20 years, including early e-mail clients, Internet Gopher - one of the first popular Internet information systems, the IETF standard for URLs, and Croquet - an open-source peer-to-peer virtual world. In February of 2010, Mark McCahill sacrificed his Pixeleen Mistral pseudonym to fight an outrageous takedown notice filed by 'Justice League Unlimited' vigilante Kalel Venkman - a move that thwarted Venkman's abuse of the DMCA process to remove Herald coverage of his gang's massive Second Life player surveillance database.
and here is the last-minute revision to my bio:
Pixeleen Mistral is the managing editor of the Alphaville Herald (http://alphavilleherald.com/), where she covers online culture and governance, griefing, vigilantes, and hactivism. Ms. Mistral began writing for the Herald sports desk in 2006 and became managing editor late that year.
Pixeleen's real life typist has been involved in developing Internet technologies for over 20 years, including early e-mail clients, Internet Gopher - one of the first popular Internet information systems, the IETF standard for URLs, and Croquet - an open-source peer-to-peer virtual world.
snip snip snip - someone had to cut page 25/26 out of each copy of the printed program
an unbound replacement page was inserted into the program for the missing pages 25 and 26
Has the JLU's game leveled up to more RL harassment?
Normally, I'd let this sort Internet ankle-biter harassment slide, but after the latest series of leaks from Kalel Venkman's JLU wiki, I'm starting to think the role-play super hero group is having an increasingly difficult time restraining their child-like excitement and are unable to keep the gameplay - or is it harassment? - inside Second Life.
If we can believe the leaks the have emerged from the Justice League Unlimited's wiki over the last few weeks, it seems Kalel and the gang have been trolling Linden Lab's PR honcho Pete Linden with off-the-record chats, hoping to build a case that the Herald is a menace to Second Life society. To date, my attempts to solicit comment from Pete Linden on the matter have been met with silence - even after I sweetened the pot and offered Pete the opportunity to pose for the Herald's Post-6 feature. I assume Pete is still skin shopping and will let me know when he is ready.
Is JLU grooming Linden Lab public relations lead Pete Linden?
Second Life - where self-described "psychotic superhero bullies" ponder stalking your real life
Even stranger is news that Venkman's online militia was discussing contacting my workplace back in April with claims that I violated copyright laws in the Herald coverage of the JLU activities. As far as I know, the role play superheros never followed up on that discussion, or if they did the claims were greeted with a swift and well-deserved trip to the trash bin.
This is just as well. The cognitive dissonance in the JLU players faux-copyright complaints are overwhelming. Last year - apparently ignorant of the copyright law fair use doctrine - JLU leader Kalel Venkman launched a Digital Millenium Copyright Act takedown against the Herald, but then failed to followup and file an actual copyright infringement complaint after he was given my real life contact information. In light of this I'm a bit surprised that Kalel's group wants to even discuss playing the copyright card again. Kalel Venkman has refused to respond to repeated attempts to contact him for an on-the-record conversation about these matters. The un-censored copy of the alleged leak I was provided with is a real eye-opener.
[17:35] Samantha Lowell: I can have a draft of a polite, oh so sweet letter of
concern to Duke as soon as possible
[17:36] GreenLantern Excelsior: Duke?
[17:36] Melanippe Karas: I thought we'd settled the idea of writing to Duke weeks
ago.
[17:36] Samantha Lowell: I thought we could write the adjunct in question,
explain that Alphavillle Hertald is using his name and asking if this is true
[17:36] Samantha Lowell: "Thank you so much for your time," etc etc
[17:36] Samantha Lowell: Very poite, brief and genteel
[17:37] Jeremiah Pintens: TD here is lower than I am used to
[17:37] Kalel Venkman: It would settle the issue - or give us ammunition, one of
the two.
[17:37] Samantha Lowell: Amen
[17:37] Kara Timtam: Or he could lie through his teeth
[17:37] Samantha Lowell: And , if it's NOT true, it would set him against Ludlow
[17:37] Kalel Venkman: If he lies, then we can take that letter and post it.
[17:37] BilliAnn Bravin: Either way sounds useful, though there is that.
[17:37] Samantha Lowell: Believe me, nobody does childish cat fighting like
academics
[17:37] Jeremiah Pintens: *laughs*
[17:37] Kalel Venkman: If it's the truth, then we can escalate to his employers.
[17:37] BilliAnn Bravin: Hee hee
[17:37] BilliAnn Bravin: They are terrible.
[17:38] Samantha Lowell: Amen, billi
[17:38] Kara Timtam: But busting a whopper like that could be important,
certainly if that guy has indeed been spoofed
[17:38] Kalel Venkman: One way or the other, it's ammunition.
[17:38] Melanippe Karas: Yes.
[17:38] Kalel Venkman: And we can use it.
[17:38] Kalel Venkman: No matter what he says.
[17:38] Samantha Lowell: I finished the textures for the poster vendor. I'd like
to set up my mini photo studio on the top floor of the adventurer's club, if it's
okay
[17:38] Kalel Venkman: And telling us nothing is nearly as useful, especially if
we send it registered mail.
[17:39] Samantha Lowell: Return receipt
[17:39] Kalel Venkman: Exactly.
[17:39] Melanippe Karas: Good idea.
[17:39] Kalel Venkman: We could actually get some mileage out of this.
[17:39] BilliAnn Bravin: Yes.
[17:39] Samantha Lowell: I need you to email me the full name, I believe I have
the correct address
[17:39] Jeremiah Pintens: I've a question actually - not related to the
discussion at hand
[17:39] Samantha Lowell: Send a copy to his dean , mayhap?
[17:40] Kalel Venkman: Michael P. McCahill. It should be send to the IT
department at Duke, which is where he works as a contracting consultant.
[17:40] Kalel Venkman: Sorry - that's Mark P. McCahill.
[17:40] Kalel Venkman: Sending a copy to the head of Duke University IT would
probably be a good idea too.
[17:40] Samantha Lowell: Yes indeed
[17:41] BilliAnn Bravin: Oh yes.
[17:41] Kara Timtam: Include full documentation of the URL's where the claim of
identity is made.
[17:41] Kalel Venkman: He's left a thread dangling in easy reach. Let's pull on
it and see what unravels.
[17:41] Kara Timtam: Herald and Wikipeda
[17:41] Samantha Lowell: "I thought you should be apprised of this, given the
fact that the staff and contributors of the Herald have violated the DMCA and
copyright laws of the US on several occasions, etc etc..."
[17:41] Melanippe Karas: Psychotic superhero bullies for the win!
[17:41] Melanippe KarasMelanippe Karas grins ironically
Who could have imagined that Second Life would morph into a long-running real life augmented reality game so easily? How large is the market for cartoon stalkers playing dirty tricks on those they dislike in the name of justice unlimited? Linden Lab might want to carefully consider what sort of picture this paints to the general public if they hope to grow their online community.
Urizenus Sklar
Sep 20th, 2011
awesome
IntLibber Brautigan
Sep 20th, 2011
Not surprised. At SLCC 2009, I overheard Glenn Linden saying at the beginning of our Business Track panel on virtual finance, as he was headed out the door: “We’ve been ordered to have nothing to do with this topic or the people involved.” Now, if he’d kept that to himself, that would be one thing, but publicly stating that amounts to defamation in my book. Later on, Rodney Linden had his job threatened by Trinity Linden for hanging out with the Woodbury folks.
Not surprised that the ministry of truth is still up to their old antics… Claudia Linden’s “Room101″ sim is still on the grid….
Nelson Jenkins
Sep 20th, 2011
Let’s just hope Pete doesn’t use a freebie 7-foot oiled-up muscle-man skin.
I wonder how much they had to pay someone to slice up those programs? Did Kalel foot the bill for that, or did the Lab?
Nelson Jenkins
Sep 20th, 2011
@ IntLubber Brautwurst
It cannot be defamation if the statement is true. Did you try that with the bullies at school when they called you a wiener?
JB Hancroft
Sep 20th, 2011
Nice job. No spin or sarcasm, and the facts clearly speak for themselves.
Tux
Sep 20th, 2011
Ultimately this comes down to one thing:
Does LL expect any damages?
They obviously stamped on Pix in favour of the JLU. Was there any JLU present at SLCC as guest speakers? Not to my knowledge!
Was there any JLU present at SLCC? Yes, they tried to follow TWH members around to gather intel. Lets hope the intel got entered into the wiki and has been leaked. Now that would make a great story!
At the moment LL have the attitude of ‘ignore it and it will go away’. But I think things will change when LL start seeing changes. I don’t know what these changes would be. But it is certain people only tolerate so much before the fight back.
Welcome to the JLU branded griefer. Someone who has just had enough!
Bunjie
Sep 20th, 2011
Forget GLE and the others they will never wake up and even if they seem too you can’t trust them it could just them playing some games, or staling for time for Kalel to figure out a game plan.
They’re indoctrinated over years so go for the puppet master and cut his strings.
Get Kalel’s illusion of being an “authority figure” removed and this will issue will closed, TOS change, Kalel denounced by every other authority figure he claims to be in league with.
Even if that means I need to write myself to each and every agency for a statement and publish it I will, but I hope it doesn’t need to come to that and Linden Lab provides the way.
Either way I’m coming for you Kalel and Rodvik knows as much now, I hope he passes my message on to you Kalel to tear down your illusions.
Hiro Pendragon
Sep 20th, 2011
@Pix – Was fantastic to have you participate on the panel! Thanks for covering this story. As a non-organizer of SLCC, I can talk without officially speaking for anyone. And, it really sucks that The Future United, from the evidence you present, got bullied by some virtual world vigilantes. It’s ironic, to me, as one would assume that said vigilantes would be keenly interested in the discussion of the need for security and transparency. I wish the way that they reached out to SLCC had been “Hey, we’d like to be involved and speak on the panel” or even just showing up and asking intelligent questions. Instead of expressing their opinions, they decided to “lawyer-it-up”. I would have given them the same open forum, had they asked – but apparently open debate was dismissed as a good idea.
And the funny thing is that the panel didn’t even need to mention any specific vigilante group to make it an interesting topic. The idea that you would be there to badmouth anyone was proven ludicrous; instead, we got intelligent and witty insights from all of the panelists. (And had anyone strayed into personal attacks, I would have intervened.)
-Hiro
Yep
Sep 20th, 2011
Go getem Tiger
Jumpman Lane
Sep 20th, 2011
man, the tangled alliances in this particular dust up of drama boggle my mind! lol Im pals with Pix AND she werks @ my alma mater!
I’M NOT pals with prok but there i am standin back to back against the werld with the Lighting Rod Blogger! hehehehe
i never liked those JLU saps and either kalel and or gle tried to dry snitch me out to my baby Zara Linden one day but she wasnt having that! Though I’m sided up with em1
I never liked sim crashers and dont know half these nationalistic pygmy turdballs but i was pals with tizzeh and still am pals with Immy the M! (Imnotgoing Sideways)
but i respect the JLU-Snitch/Turdball Griefer War
one thing i do know im against that cyberstalking wierdie Stroker Serpentine, and his flunky minion tards Cheergirl Allen, Chelsea Malibu, Turd Dust, Alfa Winger and all rest! im gonna bury them all for kix for funs and for frees! i guess u’d call that lulz i unno and dont care heheheheh
Emperor Norton hears a who?
Sep 20th, 2011
@ IntLibber Brautigan
I can’t imagine why Lind Lab would have no interest in talking to you since you are such a serious and thoughtful person.
Pixeleen @ “Has the JLU’s game leveled up to more RL harassment?”
There are some who would say that Linden Lab removed the paragraph to avoid the panel denigrating into a real life extension of the JLU wiki drama. Naturally those people are WRONG and this just more proof that the JLU control Linden Lab. (well really the JLU is a front for Xe, who are doing security for Northrop Grumman and the NSA)
Me Gusta
Sep 20th, 2011
@Hiro
Senior Living Community Convention has been organized by Avacon Inc. since Boston. The Future United organized the convention from 2006-2009.
Cathiee McMillan
Sep 20th, 2011
@Pixeleen Mistral
Thank you for helping get the word out more about the actions of the JLU.
It amazes me that Kalel is still holding on to his belief of the copyright issues. I also can not believe they wanted to send a letter to the IT department at a university. They seem to love to take things into the real life over a virtual world.
Its really sad i guess when you think about it they have nothing else better to do except stalk peoples real life and try to ruin peoples lives for expressing opinions.
CheerGirl Allen
Sep 20th, 2011
Keep up the good fight pix
Paul
Sep 20th, 2011
Doesn’t LL have a policy of not allowing the naming groups or residents in their blogs in controversial or accusatory settings? In the same manner it makes sense that they would also remove that part of pixileen’s biography. To a company like Linden Lab, the only real worry about a squabble between customers, such as this one between the griefers and the JLU is, whether they will be legally liable and whether it will have an impact on their bottom line. Consequently, to protect themselves, they would purge mention of it in their blogs and other publications (like a conference proceeding), conduct their investigations internally (rather then ranting about it publicly on online forums), and then make some kind of decision: ignore it as insignificant or ban a few people or groups.
Consequently, I don’t know that there is any “threat” like Pixeleen wonders about. It’s just a business protecting itself. My bet is that if Venkman wrote something similar about Pixeleen in his biography, LL would have removed it as well.
but I suppose that is less dramatic.
IntLibber Brautigan
Sep 20th, 2011
Paul, thats as absurd as censoring any mention of Bragg vs Philip Rosedale if Marc Bragg didnt attend. It’s not like anybody violated Venkman’s privacy by mentioning his RL name.
Paul
Sep 20th, 2011
@Intlibber
Wasn’t that case long settled before this conference? Isn’t the JLU/Griefer squabble (not the Venkman/Mistral DMCA thing) ongoing at that moment and do you not imagine that Linden Lab and their lawyers are, as we write, thinking about it and considering if they should take action?
So no, not ‘absurd’. Absurd is take a moral and legal high road while simultaneously publicly suggesting that it would be funny if someone visits someone’s RL home for a halloween ‘prank’ while the very topic at hand that cause all the ethical and legal handwringing is the boundary between internet hijinx and the real world.
Senban Babii
Sep 20th, 2011
It’s likely that the text was edited by LL because they didn’t want any hint of trouble in paradise in the literature surrounding their product. What kind of message would it send out about its product?
“Come to Second Life where the sun always shines, you’ll always be beautiful and uncontrolled harvesting of your private data will be carried out by self-confessed psychotic vigilante gangs who will try to use that information to have you sacked from your actual job.”
Would you want your business noted in official documentation that way?
Paul
Sep 20th, 2011
That’s right, Senban. Corporations are cowardly that way…that is how they make money.
Reader
Sep 20th, 2011
“Wasn’t that case long settled before this conference? Isn’t the JLU/Griefer squabble (not the Venkman/Mistral DMCA thing) ongoing at that moment and do you not imagine that Linden Lab and their lawyers are, as we write, thinking about it and considering if they should take action?
So no, not ‘absurd’. Absurd is take a moral and legal high road while simultaneously publicly suggesting that it would be funny if someone visits someone’s RL home for a halloween ‘prank’ while the very topic at hand that cause all the ethical and legal handwringing is the boundary between internet hijinx and the real world.”
Slam dunk!
A+
And this:
This “delayed” piece by Pix is noteworthy if for no other reason than to show that things are not as crisp and clean as they once were in the world of Second Life reporting. This could have and would have been covered in virtual (no pun intended) real-time back in the day or at the very least, a day or so after it happened. But as it were, the controversial stuff here on the Herald has now taken a decidedly prolonged and elongated (and quite possible a more selective)approach compared to what it used to be. Consider this: The whole JLU IP Harvesting/RL Data-mining/Contacting Deceased People/Influencing Suicide Victim thing essentially played itself out on other sites – Not here, Not first and definitely Not fresh – with the Herald appearing to be strategically set up as a second and broken fiddle. What’s up with that? Are the reformed, ex-griefers finally wagging the tail of Herald dog? Or is PIx the Grand Master standing farther back in the shadows now, with some new apprentice types having been taught how to onward carry the “torch” ?
Time to pull out that dusty copy of
“You Gotta Walk It Like You Talk It Or You’ll Lose That Beat”
Pix.
Paul
Sep 20th, 2011
Reader,
regarding your thoughts on Pixileen, I guess I am just sorry that there does not seem to be any reasonably even tempered ‘journalistic’ blog about SL and these kinds of issues, at least none that I can find (I did enjoy Senban’s blog, but she doesn’t write very often). It seems there are either blogs where the same people rant and rave with their axes to grind (like the SLU, Prok’s blog, or seemingly, the Herald), or, on the other end of the spectrum, the academic articles and books about virtual worlds and impression management. These, however, are not easy to access while one is eating lunch at one’s desk, and my commitment to this whole topic is casual at best. I wish there was an intelligent and reasonably dispassionate forum about SL in particular and virtual worlds in general.
God help me…maybe I should go back to reading Mark Twain White’s sailing page.
Senban Babii
Sep 20th, 2011
@Paul
“I did enjoy Senban’s blog, but she doesn’t write very often”
Actually I’m putting together a couple at the minute. I can only be described as a “casual” writer though although others would call it “lazy ass prone to bouts of energy”
I’ll try to get some of my notes together.
Edna
Sep 20th, 2011
How about people stop referring to the JLU as a ” vigilante” group? The term ” vigilante” suggests a person/group, that while through illegal action, are still motivated by a desire to stop criminal activity.
If what I read reported about the JLU is true, then these people aren’t vigilantes, they aren’t taking the law into their own hands to FIGHT crime. They, themselves, are a criminal organization endorsing and criminal activity.
The personal information illegally obtained by the JLU (and it illegally obtained – I signed no agreement with Linden Lab to share my personal and financial information with a third-party like the JLU), can be used by the JLU for identity theft, to drain bank peoples’ bank accounts, extortion, blackmail, etc. I have no idea what legal or civil liability this situation thrusts upon Linden Lab, but they do have a moral and ethical obligation to the users of Second Life to do whatever is reasonably possible to protect those users from becoming victims of criminal activity through using their service.
Clean up Second Life. Jail the JLU.
Paul
Sep 20th, 2011
Edna,
Did Linden Lab share your personal and financial information with the JLU? I think I missed where that happened.
I agree about your definition of ‘vigilante’ generally, and by all means if we are going to ban the JLU for being pains in the ass to TOS-abiding SL residents and jail them if they broke real world crimes (like stalking someone in RL), then I am sure you would agree that we should also ban and jail all griefers for doing the same things.
Bob
Sep 20th, 2011
@ Reader
hello. Read the article.
“Last week, the discussion deemed potentially too controversial to air live in SL was made available…”
A real time article would not have had the panel or the leak. This is interesting.
hobo kelly
Sep 21st, 2011
I liked the video from slcc. Takeaways for me: anonymousness on the internet will win out in the end but only after a long drawn out fight where things will get worse before they get better. Also, I noticed how much Mark looks like Pixeleen. And then when the id that was generating the modulated air for Mark’s linguistics said that it may have different opinions on things depending on whether it was making these outward modulated air linguistics for Mark as opposed to Pixeleen who may have her own opinions on a given proposition, cheesus that almost blew my mind right there. Propositional attitudes spinning like a whirling dervish inside of his head. And that got me to thinking… ok so everyone here has probably spent years looking for the physical brain structures, possibly in the visual cortex, which resonate with that stream of archetypes of the collective unconsciousness that brings the innate knowledge, or the capacity for innate knowledge into our lives at the time of birth. Well maybe some people here have puzzled over it. I have alway thought that the realm of angels and archetypes lived in the highly realistic and visual world of Dreams. Where you study these dreams to discern the archetypes and thereby understand what your mind is searching for or dealing with unconsciously. But it just dawned on me that perhaps when the patient is detailing the dream with words, that THAT, the words, the way the words are used together, the process of transmitting the internal dream from dreamer brain to analyist brain, that THAT is the real archetype right there, not the actual dream itself. Linguistic Archetypes from the collective unconsciousness may detail the process of dreaming rather than describe the dream itself… whoa pix, this creates a whole new thing to look at. If a person could write a program that…
Edna
Sep 21st, 2011
@Paul
No, not that I am aware of, if LL did, I guess I missed it too. From what I’m reading here, the JLU helped themselves to users’ sensitive information.
I don’t see any distinction between the JLU and “griefers” other than up until now, griefers mostly rezzed penises in public spaces. The JLU has apparently taken griefing to a whole new, and much more serious and dangerous level. Absolutely, I agree, anyone who commits an illegal activity JLU or otherwise should be prosecuted and caged.
Nelson Jenkins
Sep 21st, 2011
New idea:
“Spot the Vigilante”
http://www.defcon.org/html/defcon-13/dc13-spotthefed.html
hobo kelly
Sep 21st, 2011
hey Bunjie, hate to break the news to you, but the Propaganda Minister of the JLU, also known as Prokofy Neva, just dumped all of your real life information right out onto the interweb. your name, your country, your address, your phone number is all there staring everybody in the face while being in her grasp now. You seemed sincere. I guess this is a burn notice. Do what you need to do now to protect yourself. pretty on topic for this thread huh?
Jumpman Lane
Sep 21st, 2011
geeze so bungie is a furry AND a furriner! i figured he was surrender happily french lmao go figure
Reader
Sep 21st, 2011
@Bob.
Hello!
Read (pronounced like “red”) the article. Know the time line and more. Timing was everything.
My suggestion of a “real time’ or near RT article was simply to say, Mark lived it. Mark was visibly upset or influenced by the last minute shenanigans. Mark could have reported on this fresh, in advance of the video stream finally being released. Mark didn’t. Mark knew the session was clean though. Mark was restrained (careful) in delivery, but at the session and in follow-up. Mark chose not to “go to town” on this story like the old days. Mark waited until the vid had been out for roughly a week. The rest shows itself quite clearly as to what was going here. I adhor censorhip, but I (and clearly others) question why Mark would have even gone to the extreme of highlighting the JLU in his bio when he knew it would be a sore spot – with the organzers – or worse.
Dumb move or strategic planning? You be the judge.
I will say this though, the panel session was good. I enjoyed it. It didn’t go as deep as I had hoped but whatever. Still was good.
As for the “leak”, as it is called, that deal was long in the works. Mark knew that. That part wouldn’t have been covered RT in relation to the SLCC shenanigans, without a doubt.
Again, timing is everything.
But you are right Bob, in that this “is interesting”.
That’s why I follow it, for the most part.
Imnotgoing Sideways
Sep 22nd, 2011
When I get back to work tomorrow, I’m gonna dig into my lappietop and post the chat log from the inworld SLCC crowd. Typed my fingers bloody raw trying to deliver highlights to those wondering why the stream was dead. =^-^=
GG3
Sep 22nd, 2011
Thank you!
IntLibber Brautigan
Sep 22nd, 2011
@Reader,
The point, you…. uninformed soul… is that the subject of the panel was “Avatar Identity: Privacy and Transparency”, so the entire reason for Mark to be on the panel was that he was legally forced to disclose his RL name in order to file his DMCA appeal against Kalel Venkman’s false and illegal filings. Ergo, explaining that drama in his bio with a minimum of loaded words was entirely appropriate. Do you get it now?
paul
Sep 22nd, 2011
@Intlibber, you…uninformed soul…when you submit you bio to a conference for the published proceedings, you give your institutional affiliation and your professional/research interests. Then, at the conference, you participate in a symposia where your professional experiences can contribute productively to a public conversation.
At0m0 Beerbaum
Sep 22nd, 2011
..and this is why the JLU will continue doing what they do despite the community.
Linden Labs will continue to back their actions and will keep giving into them.
Reader
Sep 22nd, 2011
@Paul,
You beat me to it, you dog. LOL
GreenLantern Excelsior
Sep 22nd, 2011
“Abusive, harassing, or threatening behavior towards any other attendee or directed at any Second Life resident (even those not present at the convention) will not be tolerated. Please report any incidents in which a member of the convention is abusive, insulting, intimidating, bothersome, or acting in an unsafe or illegal manner to the convention organizers immediately.”
http://www.slconvention.org/about/code-of-conduct-other-policies/
Bunjie
Sep 22nd, 2011
@Humpman Lane
I’m British, we don’t surrender and we continue a fight until it’s won, even if Dunkirk was a temporary failure we came back in a big way, I’m not here to argue nationality or history but the US had to be forced into the war if you remember, but we joined out of principle in the defense of other people and other nations.
@Who ever
GLE is a waste of time his MO is to drag your anger away from the “main cause” and the main battle ground, to tire you out so Kalel’s “Turtling” his mo gameplay strategy wins out in the end because he’ll be still standing while your all exhausted from miss directed anger you could have put into finding a solution.
Save your energy for the right time, it’s going to be a long fight and shouting at GLE is like shouting at a wall, both are thick and the only thing that bounces back is your echo.
If Kalel didn’t like what GLE does he would have shut him up long ago…. like he told all others from his “league”, GLE is all part of his plan to wear you down.
Fight him here all you want… you’ll get nothing of value back but copy and paste quotes, links to a psyop blog and the most stupidest verbal diarrhea to enrage you.
If you don’t learn from what happened in 2010 then you can just sit here for all I care, while we go find progress to a solution that removes the JLU either by script or by TOS policy and prevents this in the future so we can all move on to the next drama.
Your choice it always was… be smart don’t be a Humpman for GLE’s spandex needs.
hobo kelly
Sep 22nd, 2011
yes, but if all this bad press about the JLU pedophiles has a detrimental effect on second life, like getting it closer to going bankrupt and closing up shop, now that we have found the range, I say ” FIRE FOR EFFECT” because SL is a shitsandwich that will take your money and give you nothing but misery in return.
Reader
Sep 22nd, 2011
@HoBo,
“yes, but if all this bad press about the JLU pedophiles has a detrimental effect on second life, like getting it closer to going bankrupt and closing up shop, now that we have found the range, I say ” FIRE FOR EFFECT” because SL is a shitsandwich that will take your money and give you nothing but misery in return.”
If that’s the way you truly feel then what gives? You grief?
Otherwise, what’s the point of complaining about a service you have a huge distaste for? Why take the time to bitch about it in forums? Do you also go complain about WoW, EVE, Facebook, Paypal, [fill in the blank] services that you dislike and want to see fold up – on their associated forum clouds? ( I wasn’t implying that you like OR dislike any of those services btw; just examples of well known online entities…..)
Expending all this time and energy for a “shut it down because it is no good” cause – does that really make any sense? Does it really impact your life that much that you have to dedicate valuable life cycles to the misery experience? What’s the goal?. Where’s the gain?
How much have you lost in Second Life HoBo? (please answer)
Please define the misery quotient as it pertains to your unique situation. What percentage of misery is contributed by Second Life to your entire life misery index? (please respond)
Be careful HoBo. Keep to the actual questions and don’t stray.
Disclaimer: All questions posted by The Reader are rhetorical in nature unless otherwise stated.
Yep
Sep 22nd, 2011
“Abusive, harassing, or threatening behavior towards any other attendee or directed at any Second Life resident (even those not present at the convention) will not be tolerated. Please report any incidents in which a member of the convention is abusive, insulting, intimidating, bothersome, or acting in an unsafe or illegal manner to the convention organizers immediately.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZEUuFSExYM&feature=related
OMG!!! I laughed so hard at GLE that it made my pants rip.
Yep
Sep 22nd, 2011
Go getem Tiger
potosi abonwood
Sep 22nd, 2011
@GLE
So the woodbury crowd should get some of the JLU members who were there following them around all over the place in trouble? Sounds like a good call to me!
Senban Babii
Sep 22nd, 2011
Go getem Yep
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMxH7JLVdhc&NR=1
Senban Babii
Sep 22nd, 2011
@GLE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrjMkeXGfGM&NR=1
Yep
Sep 22nd, 2011
LOL good one Senban
Myrrh Massiel
Sep 23rd, 2011
…great panel, pixie – speaking as someone who moved on for many of the single-source-platform identity and control issues raised herein, it’s both refreshing to see that erudite discourse persists amongst the extant community, while simultaneously disheartening to see the platform’s jurisdictional flaws continue to quash that same community’s endeavours…
…thanks for sharing!..
Imnotgoing Sideways
Sep 23rd, 2011
Mkay! Chatlog up. =^-^=
TL/DR – Chatlog from August 14, 2008 SLCC http://goo.gl/SPjSG
Yes, as a matter of fact I’m quite lazy. (._.)
Hiro Pendragon
Sep 24th, 2011
@Intlibber: “so the entire reason for Mark to be on the panel was that he was legally forced to disclose his RL name in order to file his DMCA appeal against Kalel Venkman’s false and illegal filings. ”
Actually, no, it’s because Pixeleen is extremely intelligent, well versed in the matters, and can express herself very well. If anything, perhaps Pixeleen’s experience with JLU was one motivation to choose to be on the panel. However, I chose panelists who had compelling thoughts to share.
Explaining it in the bio was indeed relevant, however, it needn’t've been done in a manner that specifically mentions someone. It could have just as easily been written in a manner that described the background without mentioning anyone specifically.