If You’re Going to San Francisco…
by prokofy on 27/06/07 at 2:04 am
By Prokofy Neva, Dept. of Hippy Dippy Trippy Tips on Trips
You might be stuck on your laggy sim, with thousands of inventory items missing or inaccessible, with group IMs frozen, and your build mysteriously destroyed — or out in negative space or up in the air 2500 m2, something that the new wonky, scratchy First Look Voice thingie seems to do to me often. But that’s ok, because you can look up from your toil and trouble, pushing prims in one of SL’s worst business slumps, and know that your Betters are going to a better place. Yes, 8 lucky fanboyz and fangurlz have been selected from across the entire grid (Ok, from a Lindens’ friendship card list but you get the point) to go all-expense-paid to San Francisco, for their own personal Summer of Love, with our favourite fatty smokin’ phat friends, the Lindenz.
Oh, did you forget about the Octocracy? Well, it never went away, although it disappeared from view because the Lindens stopped publishing information about the agenda, the notes — and most important — the participants. Like the leader board that disappeared because the people on it didn’t like the publicity (accountability?), the list of the Lucky 8s is now kept hidden, likely at the request of the people who participate — who don’t want to be branded as part of the Feted Inner Core?
But thanks to our busy investigative reporters and the assiduous works of trusty tipsters, we’re building at least a partial list at the Herald. No, *you* aren’t going to be on the list, because the invitations already went out and it’s convening this Thursday June 28 in SF at Linden Lane in the town of trolleys.
Five of those going include not only the movers and shakers of the SL land biz and stock market world but representatives of the Metaversal Myrmidons and the super lucky recipients of the Orientation newbie stream.
Cory Edo, one of the top designers and builders of the Electric Sheep Company, known for her building and tekkie skills and her very early walk-through of Copybot for the denizens of Second Citizen, has been a staunch defender of her company’s Searchbot, the avatar Grid Shepherd, an invasive robot that spiders the grid, picking up all the information about stuff for sale and feeding it, unasked, to a master database — until you opt out.
Dirk Talamaska, formerly of Anshechung.com, is a land dealer who sells private islands, a member of SL Certification Devs (my God, remember THAT? it didn’t go away!), and maker of Orientation Station, a newbie training center that along with others in a select Linden project, is getting a cut of the raw newbie stream of secondlife.com as their companies’ loss-leader fodder. I argued with him for an hour about the principles of open bidding systems; we even carried the debate into an office hour with Philip Linden and long after, but I failed in getting him to see the benefits of not only having his company be handed newbie customers, but have an open system in a free market so that people could genuinely bid and compete with various innovations and services.
Shaun Altman, owner of Cyberlands, a island selling business, and also scripter of the World Stock Exchange — an outfit that he later cashed out large amounts from, and criticized for engaging in overvaluation of their builds and stock and self-dealing. Shaun still maintains a stock portfolio in WSE.
Huns Valen, a long-time resident and beta-era tester, cited by Philip Linden recently as inventor of an aircraft script that he found invaluable for the grid. Valen was once criticized on the old Linden forums by a number of residents for being photographed together with W-hat griefers in a post grid-crashing victory-dance. Huns continues to back W-hat and does not condemn its griefing members, saying that the whole organization shouldn’t be tarred with the same brush.
Angel Fluffy is a noted BDSM authority and master of the group Capture Roleplay, numbering some 2,000, a roleplay involving the chasing and raping of prey by predators, evidently mainly furries. It’s not likely to be found by the Lindens to be “broadly offensive” as Angel has taken care to keep his Linden connections flowing, alerting the anti-griefer S.L.A.M. group recently that he had a list of the online Lindens and would share it with those he deemed deserving of the privilege. Angel took over the reform of the Feature Voting tool and made a group with only himself as officer, three Lindens, including Jean Linden, and without the right to send notices out. Don’t try to vote “no,” however, as Fluffy opposes the effort some residents have made to convince the Lindens to enable the voting device to vote “no”.
Snapshot baron and Second Citizen maven Cristiano Midnight was invited, but said he had to get his nails done and won’t be going. If anyone has any more names to add — there are three more — you can write me at dyerbrookME@juno.com.
In addition to these residents, I understand some 14 Lindens will be in attendance.
I could start in trying to explain what picture of the grid the Lindens will get from these august personages, but I think my bios have in part done that job for you (you’re welcome to accuse me of subjectivity here at the Always Fairly Unbalanced Herald, and write in your own correctives). More to the point, what do the Lindens want to get across to these Captains of Industry?
While styled as a kind of very feted focus group, the Octocracy is actually as powerless as the Russian second secretary of the Grozny municipal administration. They have a power of sorts — to try to shape opinion, uphold the Tao of Linden and get their networks “on board” with various “projects”. But of course, server-side, they are referred to merely as “customers” if not “the load test”.
I heard some indication of the agenda — but of course none dare leak any documents out of the Lab. In fact, these people might be made to sign NDAs. However, one topic apparently of Linden interest is trying to get the “community” to be more “receptive” to corporations coming into Second Life.
Rather than file the usual b/tarded Griefer U rant, sycophantish fanboyz diatribe, or cynical blast about people who take games too seriously on teh Internets, why don’t readers, in a Terra Nova Terrabyte of 400 words or less, tell these good citizens on their way to CA what message they should deliver to the Lindens?
And let’s call on the Lucky 8 (or even 9?) to step up and tell the rest of the citizenry just what you’re talking to the Lindens about — how about an after-action report?
Reality
Jun 29th, 2007
@Uri: From all I have seen at least two out of the three are mature adults and actually learned a few important lessons about the Internet and Forums.
The third?
That one does not care one whit – That one will continue on until their ability to post is removed … Then it is suddenly not that person’s fault that they were issued a ban.
My point? Things like this will not end – not until all parties involved have at least a basic understanding of the simplest concept: Often the best response is no response on the Internet.
urizenus
Jun 29th, 2007
Reality, you’re not helping.
urizenus
Jun 29th, 2007
csven says “I thought the Herald was all about “a circle jerk orgy of idiocy”. If it’s not about that, then… what???”
Didn’t you know? The Herald is all about a circle jerk of visionaries piloting a spiritually uplifting, consciousness shifting, morally centering, king sized cargo ship full of truthiness and brain candy.
I thought everyone knew that.
Reality
Jun 29th, 2007
@Uri: When responding to certain people Uri – and so far there have not been too many, but there is more than one – my intent is certainly not to help but rather to slap the person in the face with a bit of their own attitude.
There are those who require this to go on for some time before they realize that what they are getting is their own method thrown back at them.
Now then that’s enough out of me … Frankly Uri I’m starting to wonder if I have finally found a case where nothing at all wakes up the rather attitudinal poster ….
Csven Concord
Jun 29th, 2007
Nope. Didn’t know. As you’re probably aware, I’m not a regular. I’m just a social butterfly.
So… “morally centering”? Would that be a morality centered around the all-knowing, all-seeing, all-delicious Flying Spaghetti Monster?
Prokofy Neva
Jun 29th, 2007
>Prok and Sven and Joshua can carry on with this all they want. I could care less. The problem is that all three are intelligent and can make outstanding contributions here when they aren’t standing around taking turns shooting themselves in the feet in a circle jerk orgy of idiocy.
Could you point to any outstanding contributions by Joshua or Csven? Seriously, Uri, you’re losing touch with reality here.
>And Prok, this isn’t about who’s right or wrong. Trying to redress grievances here is like John Stewart trying to use the Daily Show as a platform to redress hi personal grievances. It’s just not an effective place to do it. If you’ve been wronged go to court, or find an online dispute resolution court.
Actually it is, as moral stances are a good thing to take, and laying down the charge to people to be moral is a good thing. When you refute a false charge, it’s not “redressing a personal grievances,” it’s refuting a false charge. As for “effectiveness,” I think it’s actually quite effective, as most people reading this interchange aren’t impressed with Csven’s tactics, have now seen him for what he is — an insecure and deranged blowhard trying to force someone into silence with whom he disagrees — and have absolutely no illusions about him or his backers. That’s a very positive thing. These people may be in a silent majority, but they exist, and that expands out the borders of civilization just that much further.
Sure, it’s repetitive, and that’s why I made a long rebuttal at my blog and point to it. When I keep seeing this story told over and over, however, each time more wild than the last, I rebut it. None of the posts in this thread have been very long or obsessive, they’re just standard rebuttals.
>@ all: I understand the idea that “he charged me and must therefore be answered”, but it doesn’t work like that. Every time you answer a stupid idiotic charge here you just bring it to the attention of a bigger audience. My advice: stf
Actually, when you can bring a wrong to a wider audience, naming and shaming the perpetrator of that wrong, you often can obtain justice. In a small pond like SL, you can’t. When you’re dealing with someone who lies and claims they never brought in my RL name until I brought in theirs, for example (the record easily shows Csven baiting me with my RL name for ages on CC and elsewhere before I began to do the same in retaliation), you can’t expect that the ordinary norms will work.
In any event, I totally realize you don’t have any stomach for this, you find it annoying and tiresome, and you think ignoring it is effective. That’s because it’s not happening to you, nor would a snivelling cowardly insecure male be likely to take on an alpha male like yourself with this sort of crap. It’s being done precisely because the alpha males won’t stand up to it, however, and maybe they, too, are more insecure than I thought.
Csven Concord
Jun 29th, 2007
“each time more wild than the last, I rebut it”
I bet Catherine likes *rebutting* things.
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“Csven baiting me with my RL name for ages on CC and elsewhere before I began to do the same in retaliation”
I never said I didn’t use your RL name initially over on CC. Are your reading comprehension skills THAT bad???
I don’t really know if I used your RL name first or if you used mine. Considering that I told you months ago I’d no longer separate you RL/SL identity on CC, who cares? The point is, I’ve simply been removing the fictitious front you use to leverage attacks on others without concerning yourself that your RL name will be attached to your behavior.
Additionally, I started using your RL name *after* you were handing it out to the press… voluntarily… and referring to yourself as a female while posting as “Prokofy Neva” elsewhere. Not before.
For more on this issue, I’ve written something here: http://secondperspective.blogspot.com/2007/06/prokofy-neva-banned-from-terra-nova.html
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Anyway, I’m looking at ordering a book for my upcoming trip. There’s this one:
“First Person” by Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin, Nataliia Gevorkian, Natalia Timakova, and A. V. Kolesnikov
http://www.amazon.com/First-Person-Vladimir-Vladimirovich-Putin/dp/1586480189/ref=sr_1_1/103-7614555-6997461?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1183131665&sr=1-1
Or this one:
“The State Within a State: The KGB and Its Hold on Russia–Past, Present, and Future”
http://www.amazon.com/State-Within-Russia-Past-Present-Future/dp/0374527385/ref=sr_1_2/103-7614555-6997461?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1183131665&sr=1-2
There are only three reviews on the second one, but the third review has me thinking it might be worth a read. The conclusions that reader comes to sound oddly familiar to me. Plus, I can write a review!
Except the Putin book is already just a buck.
Hmmmm.
Maybe I’ll get both.
Csven Concord
Jun 29th, 2007
“It’s being done precisely because the alpha males won’t stand up to it, however, and maybe they, too, are more insecure than I thought.”
@Uri – Maybe you can take Joshua’s spot.
urizenus
Jun 29th, 2007
“alpha male”
I prefer to think of myself as an “uberstud”.
Prokofy Neva
Jun 30th, 2007
http://secondthoughts.typepad.com/second_thoughts/2007/05/breaking_clicka.html
Posts that were removed from Clickable Culture that show Csven’s use of my RL name.
Using a person’s name against their will, when consent has not been given, is a form of malice and violence. It discredits itself. Most people understand not to do this, and respect it. Those who don’t pretty much discredit themselves, and invite the same treatment.
C. Sven Johnson is between jobs, and between sanity and insanity.
Csven Concord
Jun 30th, 2007
It took you a day and a half just to respond with that?
And to repeat: “I never said I didn’t use your RL name initially over on CC.”
So once again, who cares?
The point is, it was *you* who dragged this off of Clickable Culture and onto a) their personal blog, b) SLH, and c) Terra Nova.
And before, where I might have refrained from linking your RL and SL identities, I no longer intend to give it a second thought(!). From here on out, I’ll use your RL/SL identity as public as if it were an MSM article.
Prokofy Neva
Jun 30th, 2007
Hi, C. Sven! Have you ever done anything in your life like translate a president’s memoirs from a foreign language published by a major publisher?
I didn’t think so! Ok, then!
>It took you a day and a half just to respond with that?
I have work to go to, unlike you? That would explain it!
>And to repeat: “I never said I didn’t use your RL name initially over on CC.”
Do you ever get afraid that when people see this kind of circular, evasive reasoning, wending and weaving in duplicity all over the Internet, they begin to conclude you have borderline personality disorder? Just sayin’!
>So once again, who cares?
Well, evidently YOU cared enough to cook up a plot to kamikaze out your account Csven Concord on at least two major blogs, create false moral equivalency, bedevil me with false accusations, see if I would “take the bait,” congratulate yourself smugly on “luring me to destruction” and then re-create new identities and go back to posting — perhaps with new “fabulous fabjectory” fake consulting businesses to go with it.
The last laugh isn’t on you, however, as all you do is create a nice record that is the trail of your own destruction, nobody else’s.
>The point is, it was *you* who dragged this off of Clickable Culture and onto a) their personal blog, b) SLH, and c) Terra Nova.
Oh, I’m happy to use every single venue open anywhere to point to and expose this kind of bad faith, malevolence, chicanery, and murderous destructiveness. It’s part of keeping the space open.
>And before, where I might have refrained from linking your RL and SL identities, I no longer intend to give it a second thought(!). From here on out, I’ll use your RL/SL identity as public as if it were an MSM article.
Perhaps someday you’ll have a name worth linking to anything other than a ban list!
“Where is the poet who has sung of that most lacerating of all human emotions, the cut that never heals–male humiliation?”
–Tom Wolfe
Prokofy Neva
Jun 30th, 2007
Rounded up the other two names of residents invited to this latest SL Views:
Tiger Crossing
Ancient Shriner
Tiger Crossing is an oldbie, known for scripting and tekkie stuff, who did a great service once putting all the names of buyers on the auction in a feed/data base that was searchable and began to make something vaguely like a county record office. That was abandoned in time as being too much work, regretably.
Ancient Shriner is the Coldwell Banker rep and 16 m2 sign blighter you can see around SL — his 16 m2 view extortionist spots are now often filled with Coldwell ads, giving the lie to Philip’s claims that we’d never see RL companies with ugly billboards in SL — Ancient Shriner has made that possible.
Of course, contacted after-action, none of these Feted Ones wish to make a comment. Of course, the high concentration of Kool-aid in their bloodstream can be recorded with their comments like, “it was a dialogue that an office hour can’t give you” or “it was positive and constructive” or “the Lindens are cool”.
Yes, I think most people who give you an all-expense-paid trip to San Francisco to let you give your views on your favourite virtual world software are likely going to be characterized by you as “cool”.
Csven Concord
Jun 30th, 2007
“translate a president’s memoirs from a foreign language published by a major publisher?”
I wonder if they know just how screwy your translations can be. Such as:
Original English: “I work best alone.”
Catherine A. Fitzpatrick mangling: “He openly says he cares only about working alone, doing his own work.”
( http://blog.rebang.com/?p=516 )
or this recent example:
Original English: “Csven’s terrible debate practices are too obvious to even need comment.”
Catherine’s translation: “he said most people find C. Sven has terrible debating tactics and simply aren’t interested in going to the mat on the details.”
( http://terranova.blogs.com/terra_nova/2007/06/the_state_of_se.html )
or this classic refusal:
Original English: “until all the stuff people try to sell”
Catherine “You said ‘objects’ and that means ‘objects.’ ”
( http://www.secretlair.com/index.php?/clickableculture/entry/second_life_land_baron_reject_linden_lab/ )
One would think that a Russian translator would be able to handle English-to-English. With anything you’ve translated from Russian, I’d have to wonder how it filtered first from Russian-to-Russian and *then* to English.
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“I have work to go to, unlike you? That would explain it!”
You’re correct. I don’t have to work at the moment. When I can make in a month what many people make in a year, I have that luxury.
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“Do you ever get afraid that when people see this kind of circular, evasive reasoning, wending and weaving in duplicity all over the Internet, they begin to conclude you have borderline personality disorder? Just sayin’!”
No.
Have you ever wondered if people are correct when they say you’re a loon?
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“Well, evidently YOU cared enough to cook up a plot to kamikaze out your account Csven Concord on at least two major blogs, create false moral equivalency, bedevil me with false accusations, see if I would “take the bait,” congratulate yourself smugly on “luring me to destruction” and then re-create new identities and go back to posting — perhaps with new “fabulous fabjectory” fake consulting businesses to go with it.”
The only plot, Catherine, was in responding to you the way you respond to others. Simple.
As for being able to vent in Prokofy fashion on blogs, I don’t have the *urge* you do, so if I’m banned I won’t go whining across the blogosphere complaining as you have.
As for “false accusations”, I’ll leave the authorities to investigate what you’ve documented all on your own.
And I don’t need to see if you’ll “take the bait”. Everything written appears to be bait, since your reading comprehension skills seem to have worn out… or something.
As for new identities, feel free to look for another identity if it makes sense to you that I would use this one – tied to my RL – to reply to you on all these blogs. Happy hunting.
I own my words, Catherine. I’ve said repeatedly that anonymity is a dead concept. So I only want one identity. You’ve indicated you desire multiples. I don’t care why. But I can guess it’s because you want to hide your activities; shroud them in secrecy and shadows. Very KGB.
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“The last laugh isn’t on you, however, as all you do is create a nice record that is the trail of your own destruction, nobody else’s.”
How dramatic. You’re a dimestore novelist, too?
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“Oh, I’m happy to use every single venue open anywhere to point to and expose this kind of bad faith, malevolence, chicanery, and murderous destructiveness. It’s part of keeping the space open.”
As is responding to you in kind. Already the conversations on Terra Nova are better than when you were contributing your assaults.
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“Perhaps someday you’ll have a name worth linking to anything other than a ban list!”
You should re-read my only response to one of your rants on my blog ( http://blog.rebang.com/?p=516 ); this time with comprehension.
It should be clear that don’t desire a “name”.
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“Where is the poet who has sung of that most lacerating of all human emotions, the cut that never heals–male humiliation?”
Tell me, Catherine. Does that over-used quote apply to women who both hate males and desperately wish they *were* males?
Reality
Jun 30th, 2007
You know, I said I was done with this farce of an article … However there is something here that must be said.
Prokofy dearie?
“Using a person’s name against their will, when consent has not been given, is a form of malice and violence. It discredits itself.”
I hate to break it to you but the moment you give up information to a public news source you forfeit your will in the matter. It has become part of the public record and is no longer private information. Your ‘consent’ in the matter was giving such information away to the press.
Csven Concord
Jun 30th, 2007
For clarification, bc I know you’ll not figure this out:
“Do you ever get afraid that when people see”
When people “see” that, I think they’re mentally deficient and don’t care what those people think.
Ergo, “No”.
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“kamikaze out your account Csven Concord”
Incorrect. The bans weren’t against “Csven Concord”, an “account”. Both bans were, afaik, against “csven”, which I use to denote not an account, but the real me.
Feel free to email both Tony Walsh and Dan Hunter for clarification. Either way, I don’t care.
Prokofy Neva
Jun 30th, 2007
*points*
C. Sven is definitely at the gibberish stage now, reduced to trying to pick apart sentences, having no valid points to make. How long before he breaks down completely?
Anyway, if anyone would like details or comments, they can contact me inworld or read my blog.
I’m very disappointed in the editors and the readers of the Herald for not standing up to this bully. If everyone thinks these discredited debating techniques are self-evident, they need to say so. Their failure to do so is wrong.
Prokofy Neva
Jun 30th, 2007
>I hate to break it to you but the moment you give up information to a public news source you forfeit your will in the matter. It has become part of the public record and is no longer private information. Your ‘consent’ in the matter was giving such information away to the press.
Giving your name to a news source is merely for that news source to verify the person they’re interviewing.
It’s not consent for every fucktard on the planet to harass you with linking to your name, when you write under another name, and you’ve expressed a preference about it.
Whether something is “private information” or not isn’t at issue. What’s issue is how people behave, and how they respect someone’s privacy. Just because you know somebody’s phone number or address or can get it, doesn’t mean you can stalk them. Coming into threads and trying to dredge up people’s names and information from their RL in an effort to bully, harass, and antagnize them is wrong. When done by anonymous fucktards in particular, it reveals what losers they are, and how jealous they are of people who have lives.
Reality
Jun 30th, 2007
“Giving your name to a news source is merely for that news source to verify the person they’re interviewing.”
No dearie – it isn’t. The moment your name and any pseudonym attached to it you may have given in addition to your God given name …. You have forfeited all consent and all right to tell people what to call you.
“Whether something is “private information” or not isn’t at issue. What’s issue is how people behave, and how they respect someone’s privacy. Just because you know somebody’s phone number or address or can get it, doesn’t mean you can stalk them. Coming into threads and trying to dredge up people’s names and information from their RL in an effort to bully, harass, and antagnize them is wrong. When done by anonymous fucktards in particular, it reveals what losers they are, and how jealous they are of people who have lives.”
Using a phone number acquired through channels other than through whatever news source you have given them to is wrong, yes. Using information you have given freely and that can be read by anyone actually reading the article or watching the program however is your own damn fault – Want people to use the information you provide? do not give out any more information to a news source. You have just as much fault as the people you seek to brand dearie.
Prokofy Neva
Jun 30th, 2007
>No dearie – it isn’t. The moment your name and any pseudonym attached to it you may have given in addition to your God given name …. You have forfeited all consent and all right to tell people what to call you.
No, that’s not the case whatsoever. You don’t go around insisting that Mark Twain be called Samuel Clemens. You don’t insist that Cher start adding her last name every time she’s on TV. The norms of decency and civilization simply dictate that you refer to people by their pen name if they use a pen name — and an avatar name is like a pen name.
Every time a time is brought in from RL against someone’s wishes, it’s an act of violence — and used to bully, harass, intimidate, shame.
For someone who gives no Second Life, let alone First Life name, it’s purely an act of chicanery and unalderated assholery. Most people don’t do it.
I haven’t given out my phone number or address. People who have unlawfully stalked me doing that have pieced it together by stalking me, trial and error, and intent to harass. You’re justifying criminality again, Reality.
Csven Concord
Jun 30th, 2007
*points*
“Profoky was banned?
Oh thank you – her drivel killed my TN buzz so hard I wandered off for at least 6 months.”
http://terranova.blogs.com/terra_nova/2007/06/comment_policy.html#c74482100
Reality
Jun 30th, 2007
Dearie? You’re not a dead author or a famous singer.
To be perfectly honest however I really do not give a damn who you are – from all I have seen so far, I now know your real name, your age and your gender.
Guess what? Whatever else in your life aside that is who you are. Yep – you’ve made news – so what? You’re no celebrity, no one truly famous. You gave out your name to the media, you connected an avatar to your name … You gave up the right to tell people which name to use. You wish to cite morality? You do not get to decide what is moral and what is not – end of discussion dearie.
“You’re justifying criminality again, Reality.”
No dearie, I’m telling you what happens when you give out personal information to a readily available news source – kindly brush up on your reading comprehension skills m’kay? Here’s a repost of the end of my prior comment dearie – along with each part being rather bluntly restated in a manner that even you cannot possibly fail to comprehend.
“Using a phone number acquired through channels other than through whatever news source you have given them to is wrong, yes.”
This section means quite simply that IF you give out said information to a news source, anyone can use it. I did not say you had given it out dearie.
“Using information you have given freely and that can be read by anyone actually reading the article or watching the program however is your own damn fault – Want people to use the information you provide? Do not give out any more information to a news source.”
The instant you give away any information at all to a news source you are allowing other people to view said information and to use it dearie. Yep – there are going to be people who will ignore what preference you may have – as is their right to dearie, you do not get to tell other people what is moral or how they should act. If you do not want people using any information you feel they have no right to use …. don’t give the damn information out!
“You have just as much fault as the people you seek to brand dearie.”
This part dearie is self explanatory.
Failing marks in reading comprehension too dearie – looks like you’re going to summer school after all.
Reality
Jun 30th, 2007
Oh and dearie?
“Every time a time is brought in from RL against someone’s wishes, it’s an act of violence”
Wrong again dearie – if someone walks up and punches/stabs/shoots you … That is an act of violence.
In case you had not figured it out yet dearie – this little web page may deal with Second Life … But it is not Second Life dearie – your avatar is not the one typing out the words that appear on the screen. this is real life dearie – own up to it.
Csven Concord
Jun 30th, 2007
“Giving your name to a news source is merely for that news source to verify the person they’re interviewing.”
From Information Week:
“I don’t know and can’t ask, because Murphy has not responded to my instant messages seeking further information. In one of those IMs, I asked if she’d be willing to tell me her real-life name.”
http://www.informationweek.com/management/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=199701944&pgno=4&queryText=
Besides Marilyn Murphy, I don’t recall reading the RL names for Eloise Pasteur, Emily Semaphore or Tateru Nino in that Information Week article. But your name is in it. Guess they twisted your arm, huh?
Prokofy Neva
Jul 1st, 2007
I give my name to journalists who ask for it, so they can verify their sources. It also enables the next reporter covering SL to contact me and feel that my statement is reliable. That’s not an authorization for people to harass me in comments to my articles signed under my avatar name — and the fact that most people observe this social norm lets me know just how far gone Csven is. He’s unable to get anybody else to do what he wants, so he keeps flapping his broken wings.
Oh, and I didn’t realize what this was all about! Csven is *jealous* that he isn’t being asked for these interviews! Ohhhhhh….
Csven is like those unhinged loons who shoot at or try to stalk famous people, they can get some fame at least by trying to appear in the news as trying to harm someone with fame.
Csven Concord
Jul 1st, 2007
“I give my name to journalists who ask for it, so they can verify their sources.”
Oh. So does anyone know why journalists are citing *other* Second Life people without getting their RL names? Obviously they don’t *need* a name.
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“It also enables the next reporter covering SL to contact me and feel that my statement is reliable.”
Ah. Prok answered that question. She WANTS to be famous. She WANTS to be interviewed for the *next* story. She’s giving… forcing… her name on them.
This reminds me of when Prokofy was crying about getting to submit her name to Linden Lab to be picked for media interviews when that first came up. I remember thinking back then how pathetic she was to be so desperate for attention.
Just like over on Terra Nova:
“I’m happy to speak to them in detail, on the record, in email, in media interviews, whatever.” – http://terranova.blogs.com/terra_nova/2007/06/the_state_of_se.html#c71850162
Sad.
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So on one hand Catherine is desperate for attention and freely lets her name be associated with her SL identity, but when she’s spreading her bile, attacking people based on crazy assumptions masquerading as facts, on “every single venue open anywhere”, she *demands* they not use her real name.
There’s a fascist, controlling/conformist element to her behavior. Reminds me of her threats – as Random Unsung – directed at a Linden who was just trying to follow the ToS:
“This is the result, eat it, and lose my tier.”
“it’s your paycheck, notmine”
What a bitch.
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“Csven is *jealous* that he isn’t being asked for these interviews!”
This is akin to a dog with a dead animal in its mouth growling when a person walks by. Apparently Catherine can’t imagine that people don’t desire media attention and the spotlight as desperately as she does.
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“Csven is like those unhinged loons who shoot at or try to stalk famous people, they can get some fame at least by trying to appear in the news as trying to harm someone with fame.”
Now this is seriously funny.
CATHERINE BELIEVES SHE’S FAMOUS!
And of course, because she *believes* it, in her mind it’s a Fact!
They make creepy movies about people like this, don’t they? Maybe Catherine is the virtual Norma Desmond!
“Alright Mr. DeMille, I’m ready for my close-up.”
brrrrrr
Anonymous
Jul 1st, 2007
ANCIENT SHRINER!!!!
AGGGGGHHHHHH!!!
Not only is this guy a blight upon the SL landscape, he also took it upon himself to be nasty to me when I visited the Coldwell Banker site. I asked where the houses were, and he started baiting me about Prok!
AND THIS IS WHAT LL WANTS TO LISTEN TO?
OMG!
LL deserves to fail, die, end, expire, drown in its own muck and corruption, and what else can I say?
coco
P.S. Csven, shut up.
P.S. Uri, that alpha male thing is a good point.
Csven Concord
Jul 1st, 2007
@ coco – a shame you never responded to any questions. Expected… but still a shame.
Anonymous
Jul 1st, 2007
Csven, I’m not even READING all your stuff anymore, to respond to any questions with! Because it’s all “dearie” this and “Catherine” that, and whatever kind of constant and multiple cases you are trying to make about your own personal vendetta with NOTHING WHATSOEVER TO DO WITH THIS TOPIC!
coco
Csven Concord
Jul 2nd, 2007
@Coco
If you’re not reading my comments, then why are you replying as if you have?
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“Because it’s all “dearie” this and “Catherine” that”
Where have I used “dearie”, micro-brain. To my recollection, I’ve used it once, and that’s in another thread *after* this one.
Here’s your chance, Coco. Prove you’re right.
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“NOTHING WHATSOEVER TO DO WITH THIS TOPIC”
Off-topic stuff which was brought into this discussion by Catherine; not me.
Blame her.
Gorean Furry
Jul 3rd, 2007
This is just rich. Proko-coco always whine and bitch, until they get put over the barrel. Then it’s any odd excuse, though more often than not, they just pretend the thread doesn’t exist any more. Coco can’t even tell posters apart, claiming she’s ignoring one person because of what a DIFFERENT poster said. But that’s alright, since coco is only here for teh lulz.
Anonymous
Jul 4th, 2007
You’re right, it is REALITY who is “deary-ing” everyone to death, and Csven who is Catherine-ing all the time.
Csven is in a personal vendetta, with a personal obsession, which generally has nothing to do with the topic at hand, and that’s the main reason I skim over him.
coco
Cocoanut Koala
Jul 4th, 2007
That last was me. Doesn’t seem to want to remember personal info.
coco
Csven Concord
Jul 4th, 2007
http://secondperspective.blogspot.com/2007/06/terra-nova-aftermath.html
Reality
Jul 4th, 2007
Coco, if you do not like the way i address Prokofy, you do not need to read them.
I do hate to sound this way with someone as intelligent as you are: No one’s forcing you to read those responses.
Prokofy Neva
Jul 4th, 2007
>http://secondperspective.blogspot.com/2007/06/terra-nova-aftermath.html
Hi! I can’t come to your crazed, paranoid, duplicitous, tendentious, and just plain unhinged harangue right now on that new blog, but if you leave a detailed message with two other people with SL names and separate IPs who genuinely share your bizarre take on my normal and legitimate criticism on the Internet, I’m happy to go into any or all concerns line-by-line.