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87 Responses to “The Wurkin’ Girls of Little Paradise”

1. 

   Chriss Wunderland
   

   Mar 21st, 2008
   

   May I point out that posting the names of any avitar in second life WITHOUT their consent is against the terms of use of the game.

   Secondly the game is a fantasy world if played correctly child avatars are safe in game I myself have a number of Grandchilldren in game who are protected beyond belief from anything and ANYONE who attempts to attack corrupt or interfere with them in any way shape or form

   Thirdly If I myself find anyone exploiting a child in sl they will wish they hadn’t

   Anyone take heed if you wish any child avatar to model for you the rate is $L100 per hour minimum

   This interview was conducted WITHOUT the avitars knowing it was to be published and without gaining the consent of the avitars who were inteviewed
   If they had been aware of what the interview was for I am very sure that the information would have been received correctly so that no missinterpretation like this could have been made

   For those of you who think anyone wishing to portray a child avatar thinks this is gross I suppose you have very good memories as a childhood……………SOME DO NOT this is their way to relive that childhood

   Think before you make a comment and Pixeleen Mistrel you are the worst child abuser of them all for posting the child avitars names and without telling them you were interviewing them in the first place
   YOU should have been open and informed them you were conducting an interview YOU should have got their written consent to publish their names
   NOW WHO IS BEING EXPLOITED AND WHO IS EXPLOITING WHO
2. 

   UncleBill
   

   Mar 21st, 2008
   

   Is that eye makeup on Yoshiko?
3. 

   Sigmund Leominster
   

   Mar 21st, 2008
   

   Well here’s a great example of an issue that really DOES deserve to be talked about. Behind the alternating bouts of praise and bluster lies the question of what defines the line between pedophilia and play. The amount of psychological baggage carried by individuals on this issue would fill the hold of a 747 and cram the overhead bins.

   Are all people who want to pretend to be children pedophiles? No. Are all people who want to pretend to be children wanting to indulge in SL sex with other “children” or “adults?” Again, no.

   In a culture such as the US, folks are so scared of hugging a child for fear of being seen as a sexual predator that it is little wonder that ANY hint of adult/child interaction in a fantasy world will raise hackles. The current sexual mores of the American culture are such that even talking about such issues is likely to have the speaker labeled as a pervert. This is the same culture that criminalizes public breast feeding because it is “morally offensive” – completely ignoring the stunningly obvious fact that this is precisely what boobies are for!

   When we – and that’s all of us reading the Herald, good people – try to decide for other people what their fantasies should and shouldn’t be, we are on a hiding to nothing. The recent post on cooking and eating women is evidence that the limits of imagination are unbounded, but the response to that I believe was fewer column inches than THIS story.

   A mature sim where adult avatars are having sex with child avatars seems wrong and even the most open-minded liberal would have issues with it. A PG sim with people pretending to be children is more uncomfortable than wrong. Sure some of us may feel uneasy, but until there is evidence of more than pretending going on, it’s pointless to get tied up in knots about it. It doesn’t interest me, therefore I don’t go there. My choice. Your choice.

   Could real life pedophiles infiltrate and abuse such a sim? Probably. But think about it: If you wanted to indulge in fantasy child sex, it would be infinitely easier to invite a few “friends” back to your personal skybox and be as depraved as you wish. Sexual kinks invaiably take place behind closed doors, not in full view on a PG sim.
4. 

   Chav Paderborn
   

   Mar 21st, 2008
   

   You gave me flashbacks to being a child av. I swear the babytalk was half of what drove me to grow my avatar into adulthood.
5. 

   d3adlyc0d3c
   

   Mar 21st, 2008
   

   ‘Think before you make a comment and Pixeleen Mistrel you are the worst child abuser of them all for posting the child avitars names and without telling them you were interviewing them in the first place
   YOU should have been open and informed them you were conducting an interview YOU should have got their written consent to publish their names
   NOW WHO IS BEING EXPLOITED AND WHO IS EXPLOITING WHO’

   Oh god, can you get any dumber than this please? She can’t be a child abuser since you are not a child. In fact you’re more than likely some creepy old dude that masturbates to his child avatar all day while ‘modeling’ and generally talking like a child with a severe learning disability.

   FYI if she posted the chatlogs inside SL then it would be against the TOS. You can do nothing though since those logs were posted here, outside of the game.

   And lastly maybe you shouldn’t talk like a retard in SL if you’re going to get embarrassed when it’s publicized because everyone is making fun of how stupid you sound.
6. 

   GreenLantern Excelsior
   

   Mar 21st, 2008
   

   “I thought that all child role play was banned in SL?”
   “eh Not so – ‘sexual age play’ is banned mere ‘age play’ is not – there is a difference”

   Generally, the word “ageplay” in Second Life is defined as “…real-life images, avatar portrayals, and other depictions of sexual or lewd acts involving or appearing to involve children or minors…” As the ageplay policy says,

   “If you are in doubt as to whether an activity may be interpreted as ageplay, we request you err on the side of caution and desist.”
   And also…
   “Please note it does not violate this policy merely to have a child-like avatar. It is not our intent to banish child-like avatars in and of themselves.”

   Let’s try to keep the definition from getting blurry and confusing. Ageplay in Second Life is prohibited.

   “May I point out that posting the names of any avitar in second life WITHOUT their consent is against the terms of use of the game.”

   You may point it out, but you will be wrong. Nothing in the Second Life Terms of Service:

   http://secondlife.com/corporate/tos.php

   …or Community Standards:

   http://secondlife.com/corporate/cs.php

   …prohibits mentioning avatar names. Item 4 of the Community Standards says this:

   “Remotely monitoring conversations, posting conversation logs, or sharing conversation logs without consent are all prohibited in Second Life and on the Second Life Forums.”

   But this doesn’t prohibit anyone from posting conversation logs outside of Second Life and the SL Forums, so the Herald is well within its rights.
7. 

   d3adlyc0d3c
   

   Mar 21st, 2008
   

   It’s worth noting that alot of the peole pretending to be outraged in this article as actually sockpuppets for a handful of people. The fact that they are trying so hard to infulence everyone else’s opinion on child avies seems to further enforce the public’s views that they do have something to hide.

   ‘Beth’, no one ever purchases the Second Life Herald or goes to our sim. Nothing is ever happening in the sim and this ‘paper’ is free.
8. 

   Corona
   

   Mar 21st, 2008
   

   Re Dthree’s comment

   more than likely some creepy old dude that masturbates
   = Assumption

   talking like a child with a severe learning disability.
   = Assumption

   talk like a retard in SL
   = subjective interpretation

   according to several comments above this is how children talk – at least children know to htose who posted the comments stating this is so

   ‘them and us’
   denigrate THEM enough and they wont seem human anymore
   not like US civilised folk ay
9. 

   d3adlyc0d3c
   

   Mar 21st, 2008
   

   How many people even realize that this wasn’t even intended as a srs bsns article in the first place.
10. 

    jumpman lane
    

    Mar 21st, 2008
    

    i think ya’ll make this shit up! lmfao
11. 

    fawn hailey
    

    Mar 22nd, 2008
    

    FYI if she posted the chatlogs inside SL then it would be against the TOS. You can do nothing though since those logs were posted here, outside of the game.
    ————————————————————

    I can almost bet you are wrong on that one, the logs were ones taken from SL. Im going to call LL and find out about that. And i think that the SL children interviewed should file an abuse report on the reporter who interviewed them and posted the convo and their names without their permission.

    BTW … All u SL men, be aware, alot of those HOT ladies you are dating and having hours of sex with .. are MALE behind their computer screen. lol

    I am a SL child .. I am an adult woman r/l. There are a handful of what i like to call “*midgets pretending to be children in SL” doing things that are totally against what the majority of us are here for.

    We SL children have fought very hard to have .. child av excorts banned, groups that support child excorts banned, and adult avs that have sex with child avs banned. We are as much against pedophelia as you are, we are probably more against it than you are.

    And to the Owners of Second Life Herald you should take a second look at your employees. Interviewing ppl with out their permission and posting those interviews online especially with the characters names could cause trouble for you.

    * when i refer to midgets i am talking about SL adults who shrink their avatars to appear as a child. It is not refering to r/l height .. i am only 4 feet 8 1/2 inches r/l.

    We SL children buy shapes and skins made for SL children. Most of the SL children do not have any private parts painted into the skins, nor do we wear any attachments.

    We also do not go to the adult places that some have talked about, a real SL child stays as far from those places as possible.

    Please remember, just because you have a filthy mind does not mean everyone does. Not everyone is on SL for sex. And we SL children are NOT on SL for sex, if we were, we would be in adult avs.
12. 

    anon
    

    Mar 22nd, 2008
    

    “assumptions” about deviant sexual behaviors of SL users are usually pretty dead-on

    but don’t let me stand in the way of your attempts to sound intelligent
13. 

    Nikola Shirakawa
    

    Mar 22nd, 2008
    

    Maybe well within SL’s rights, but as per conversation with some of the Guardians, it does in fact go against GLC policy. I have felt fit to inform them of your personal disclosure violation.
14. 

    LL TOS Translator
    

    Mar 22nd, 2008
    

    “Let’s try to keep the definition from getting blurry and confusing. Ageplay in Second Life is prohibited.”

    The problem is that LL got the terminology wrong in that.

    Ageplay is roleplayng any age that is no your RL age and that is not prohibited under LL TOS.

    Sexual ageplay is roleplaying any age that is not your RL age, in a sexual situation/environment/roleplay. Which is only prohibited by LL TOS if any of the avatars looks and acts as a human under 18 years old.

    The fuzzyness is understandable, but is causing problems because LL once again is very very vague in what they exactly mean.

    But it doesnt take a genious to understand that they dont want virtual pedophilia. Not their fault for not really knowing the difference between sexual ageplay and ageplay.

    So ageplay like shown in this article is NOT against any LL TOS as there’s nothing lewd or sexual going on.
15. 

    Chriss
    

    Mar 22nd, 2008
    

    FYI if she posted the chatlogs inside SL then it would be against the TOS. You can do nothing though since those logs were posted here, outside of the game.

    1. I am not male
    2. I do not masterbate behind my pc screen
    3 Maybe this is your behaviour it is NOT mine

    4 Your information is INCORRECT

    If you want to get into an argument about this with me then please do you may find to your detrement your arguing with the wrong person

    IT IS ILLEGAL TO PUBLISH ANYONES NAME REAL OR FICTION WITHOUT PRIOR CONSENT NO MATTER WHERE IT IS PUBLISHED

    THAT IN ITSELF IS EXPLOITATION
    Pixeleen did NOT inform them they were being interviewed….Illegal

    Pixealeen did NOT ask for their written consent to publish their names ………..Illegal
16. 

    anon
    

    Mar 22nd, 2008
    

    “IT IS ILLEGAL TO PUBLISH ANYONES NAME REAL OR FICTION WITHOUT PRIOR CONSENT NO MATTER WHERE IT IS PUBLISHED”

    TOS != RL law, gb2 /kiddiesexden/
17. 

    NinaA
    

    Mar 22nd, 2008
    

    ROFL Why the hate towards a bunch of idiots who think children talk like this? It’s only a fucking computer game.
18. 

    DinkyHockerShootsSmack!
    

    Mar 22nd, 2008
    

    “”assumptions” about deviant sexual behaviors of SL users are usually pretty dead-on

    but don’t let me stand in the way of your attempts to sound intelligent”

    Oh the irony.
19. 

    Near
    

    Mar 22nd, 2008
    

    How does it feel SLFags, to know you all just got epicly trolled and raged by the fucking Second Life Herald? Lord, even THEY are picking up on how easy it is now.
20. 

    anon
    

    Mar 22nd, 2008
    

    DinkyHockerShootsSmack!: how the hell is it ironic, I don’t think you understand the concept of irony
21. 

    economic mip
    

    Mar 22nd, 2008
    

    I love these people who assume that posting chatlogs outside of Second Life is “illegal”. It truly does make me laugh. What laws are being violated again? Since when does a journalist have to identify themselves? (It is a common practice of respectable papers but this is the Herald.) Fact: Chatlogs are viewed in a court of law as being the property of the person whose computer they are on, not as a conversation but as a file. Also, these records can (and have been) subpoenaed for civil and criminal cases. As for them being a violation of the ToS, well that was basically the argument (well one of them) for kicking dear Uri off the Sims Online. The Lindens do not want the kind of backlash that event caused.

    In other news, I have no idea what this article or most of the other comments are all about. Perhaps my English comprehension is not quite where it should be.
22. 

    Corona
    

    Mar 22nd, 2008
    

    Ty greatly Dinkyhocker- saves me from having to reply – if someone else replies who understands my point – it helps prevent it from becoming personalised point scoring
23. 

    DinkyHockerShootsSmack!
    

    Mar 22nd, 2008
    

    The irony is you complaining about others trying to sound smart.

    Think.

    Absorb.
24. 

    GreenLantern Excelsior
    

    Mar 23rd, 2008
    

    Nikola, first of all, I was not disclosing here, I was simply pointing out that the Herald was not. Calm down little boy. As I’ve told you before, as well as has been posted repeatedly here, disclosure does not apply outside of Second Life. The Guardians have far better things to do than go on some scumbag-ordered witch hunt as you would wish them to do. Seriously, you should have better thigns to do yourself.

    Everyone else ignore him, he is just trying to get attention.
25. 

    Corona
    

    Mar 23rd, 2008
    

    Apparenyly economic the article was about child labour exploitation

    for camping 25L / hour is in the higher range of hourly rates
    hardly exploitation
26. 

    Ava Cartier
    

    Mar 24th, 2008
    

    Oh, holy Christ. First, the gibberish is annoying as hell. If I get a headache reading your crap, you’re not worth communicating with. Second, in my five years here in SL, one thing that remains true and constant is that PG sims are consistently bastardized by griefers and those who feel PG does not belong in SL. Just like we adults have to put up with reading crapola like this that actually goes on in-world, you have to co-exist with us. Gotta take the bad with the good. Don’t get your panties in a wad because we adults like to do adult things and don’t expect too much support anywhere else in SL talking wif da widdle fweak speak. If I happen to have my watermelon launcher available, guess what fibe yeaw owd is getting kersplatted.
27. 

    then cannot even spell bastard correctly
    

    Mar 24th, 2008
    

    BTW…. RL children really DO talk like this.

    Visit 4 chan or 7 chan to see for yourself.

    What am I saying… you dont even have to, as they are all over this blog posting in the comments
28. 

    kaint talk gud
    

    Mar 24th, 2008
    

    Dose wascawy wabbits
29. 

    Ava Cartier
    

    Mar 25th, 2008
    

    I spelled “bastard” correctly, thank you very much.

    And no, not all children speak this way. I’d be embarrassed by my child if he communicated thusly. Unless he has a cold, I’ve never known a child to say he’s “fibe” years old.
30. 

    nunya
    

    Mar 26th, 2008
    

    I have worked in daycare centers, been a nanny for 2 familys, was a sunday school teacher for both preschoolers and 1st and 2nd grade. And yes LOTS of children do speak this way, lots of children can not pronounce many of their letters correctly, for a mulitude of reasons. For those of you who have small biological children, walk into their schools, ask their teachers, there is your proof. Do most try to correct them? Of course they do. But before you state facts, keep in mind that those facts are not true of all.

    Second of all, Second Life is just that a second life, you are able to come here and do all sorts of things. Guess what? Not everyone will like it, guess what else? Not everyone cares. Most simply stay away from what they do not like. Someone mentioned co-exist, well that goes for you too, I do not call that comment being co-exsisting *laughs* I do not like nor understand furries, but I have nothing against them, it is their game and they can play it how they want, If I see one I am just as polite to them as anyone else. I do not like Gor, So what, it is their game they can do what they want, there is a ton in SL that I do not like, but SO WHAT, this game does not revolve around what a few people want or like. And I thank goodness for PG sims, I know I can go to a PG sim and not have to worry about running into sexual things, because guess what, not everyone here is here for sexual things lol, Imagine that an adult that does not want sex?? *shock* NOT. If you don’t like child avis, so what, stay away or ignore them. If you think something is wrong with it, complain to the lindens. But I am willing to bet that not one of them or at least very few have come over to where you hang out and harrassed you. Or posted on a blog something nasty about what you do. If they are ok so have them banned, its pretty simple folks. The Lindens have made it very clear that they have no problem with child avis as long as they are not sexual, and are in rl over the age of 18. If they are breaking those two things then hell yea they need to be gone. But if they are not, then they are adults in real life, and just like everyone else in this fabulous world, they deserve to play their game any way they choose to do so. Seriously folks there are more important things in the world to get so bothered over. If you don’t like it, fine, but remember there is another human being on the other end of that computer screen, with real feelings. If you think they are breaking the law, report them, and move on. I hope you all have a nice day, and had a wonderful Easter if you celebrate it.
31. 

    IreadtheTOS
    

    Mar 26th, 2008
    

    Um… it IS against the TOS to post chat-logs with names attached to them inside and/or outside SL, regardless of where it’s posted.

    It is illegal in the way that Pixeleen posted information without the permissions/consent of the individuals involved (since it is digital media/property, it could even fall under DMCA), albeit in order for it to take effect, the individuals involved would have to file a claim in accordance to that.

    However, an Abuse Report on SL could definately be filed. Especially if Pixeleen did not get permission from the two individuals. LL can easily go back in the chat logs and verify this conversation existed, and whether or not Pixeleen was given permission by those involved.

    People who are saying there is nothing wrong with posting chat logs like that without an individual’s permission are probably people who abuse such a thing themselves. And of course, anything that they do could NEVER be illegal or against the SL TOS! D: Gasp!
32. 

    j4kk owner
    

    Mar 26th, 2008
    

    Being the sim owner in this incident I called linden labs conserge line to ask what I could do about this . They said unfortunantly because the conversation was posted outside of SL they can’t police it. That if it’s on the SL message boards or SL itself they can. Things like this they cant.

    So while pixeleen was very unprofessional not even to get permission to interview any of these individuals its not a reportable offence.

    I feel bad for the girls involved. They were the target of griefers who don’t understand the concept of playing a PG game. I’m actually very proud that they caught zoe banning a naked avi. I’m glad the models were resppectful and polite. Consittering not one person knew they were being interviewed they just proved what paradise represents.

    PG behaviour
33. 

    DD
    

    Apr 9th, 2008
    

    I have been reading all of this and paying attention to comments from both sides of the SL Child AV Coin. First off, I am appalled at the thought of people using Child AV’s for sex. Secondly, I know the owners of J4KK very well and also know one of the Child Avies that has defended her right to be a Child Avie very well, I can tell you for a FACT that they are also very appalled at the idea of sexual encounters with Child Avies.

    The Owners of J4KK have worked very hard to ensure thier store and SIM are kept at a PG level and I know of another Child Mall that works equally as hard. In fact, I have at times been called upon to assist in banning nude ADULT Avies from these places.

    Who does anyone think they are to judge these people for chosing to play as a child in SL. Take a look at your own Avie, then run look in the mirror at your RL self, do you see any resemblance? I SERIOUSLY DOUBT IT!!! Some have said that these Child Avies are pedophiles, how ridiculous is that to say that all of them are? Again, I can assure you, I know lots of people that play Child Avies… and NONE are pedophiles or even into anything REMOTELY sexual. Look at the people who play Animals, Vampires, etc, does this promote beastiality and murder? I dont think so. YES, I know there are some that have used Child Avies for sexual purposes, and I totally agree they are some sick sick individuals and need help and I hope they get it. As for the Owners of J4KK as well as Fawn who also posted and defended her right to play a child avie.. They are some of the best people you will ever meet in SL. They are HONEST, REAL People who have HIGH MORALS & VALUES.

    SO I guess before we condemn someones choices maybe we should do 2 things… 1) get to know the person we chose to condemn before we condemn and 2) take a long look in the mirror and ask yourself “am I any better than those I chose to condemn?”. My guess is probably not.

    J4KK is a great place owned by good people, leave them alone, they have hurt NO ONE!!!

    And thats all I have to say about that )
34. 

    Miss Appropriate
    

    Jul 28th, 2008
    

    For goodness’ sake, people! This is truly atrocious. Not one of you knows a thing about spelling or grammar, regardless of what age group you’re attempting to portray. The bunch of you are hilarious and wildly entertaining.

    Incidentally, the writer has it wrong when s/he states that L$25 is one American dollar. It’s not, it’s a few cents; with 0.37 US cents representing one Linden dollar, it costs a little less than $5US to buy $1000 Linden dollars. But let’s not have the facts get in the way of a good story, huh?
35. 

    ari thmetic
    

    Jul 28th, 2008
    

    @miss appropriate: “Incidentally, the writer has it wrong when s/he states that L$25 is one American dollar.”

    No, you get it wrong when you mis-state what the writer says — “10 hour shifts for L$25/hour (about $1 USD/day).” 10 hours, @L$25/hour = L$250, which is indeed “about $1 USD/day”.
36. 

    Miss Appropriate
    

    Jul 29th, 2008
    

    Ok I got the maths wrong, my bad. Now can you explain the intellect level among the majority of posters here?

    One thing is for sure; if I had a two year old who spoke like the supposedly five year old Tabitha, he or she would be in speech therapy and elocution lessons before the close of day.

    The idiot Tabitha and his ilk do a disservice to pre-schoolers and toddlers everywhere.
37. 

    Dis-turbed
    

    Jul 29th, 2008
    

    Can we get rid of the child avatars now please, they serve absolutely no purpose in an adult game. Seriously, It’s just disturbing and brings nothing but bad press.
    If you enjoy playing a 4 year old, do it far far away , like another game perhaps where mindless morons are widely accepted like lively, there ya go. Get out of sl with that disgusting crap.

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