Op/Ed: RL/SL Fashion Faux Pas
by Pixeleen Mistral on 04/03/07 at 7:55 pm
Why is Sabrina Doolittle’s RL typist is rocking a faded red shirt and a drooling dog in print?
by Tenshi Vielle, Fabulous Fashionista
Dear Second Lifers,
I have a rant to make.
Besides my intolerance for Linden Lifestyle’s Miss Sabrina Doolittle and her “never do wrong” attitude, her “fashion princess” facade, herein lies the truth.
A woman that can’t bother to do her hair. A woman that can’t bother to wear anything other than an ugly, faded red shirt while clutching her drooly dog. (Is that one of those damn cross-eyed boxers?)
Then again, a while ago, there was an event – an event that shall remain nameless – that advertised itself to the RL Fashion Impaired such as Miss Doolittle here as something they could attend in their pajama’s.
For god’s sakes people. Have some respect for yourself.
If you’re going to pretend to be someone else, don’t let us see the real you. However, if you ARE going to expose yourself as the “real you” – have the decency to be consistent. Nobody wants to see a washed up person parading around in SL as one of the main style icons.
Oh. One more thing.
If you feel the need to be snarky, mean, rude, or just to point out the truth – have the courtesy and the balls to leave your name. I do.
Signing off,
- Tenshi Vielle
Tenshi Vielle’s RL typist is rocking a black quilted down coat with faux-fur trim and denim jeans, along with her favorite high-heeled black boots
…and sometimes a sombrero
SunnyMarie
Mar 6th, 2007
“What she has shown me (and what many of you have shown me via your vituperative comments) is that there is a little bee hive full of nasty self-important drama queens that have no sense of proportion when it comes to perceived slights on their clique or members thereof.”
I’m so glad you recognise that Tenshi and her friends are as such. Warms my heart. Because that’s what started this all isn’t it? tenshi and her little gang of friends all upset about some perceived slight from Sabrina followed by vituperative comments about someone’s RL appearance. If you were trying for irony Professor, you nailed it!
I have been one of the most vocal opponents and I know absolutely none of the persons involved. I have no stake in this other than to tell Tenshi that she is a coward and a very small person. That goes for you too Mr. Professor. Double, because you’re old enough to know better than to blindly support some one just because they are on your “team”, or you should be. Apparently not, and you are so egotistical and proud that you can never ever see things from any other point of view than that of your own or your little clique team.
Let me ask you Uri, if I were an aspiring “reporter”, and I was trying to break into the land business, would you (or the Herald) go to bat for me if I wanted to post a piece about what an awful piece of shit I may think Anshe or Prokofy is, replete with RL pics??
No need to answer, because I think we all know the answer.
For the record, I am not saying I think that either of those people are pieces of shit, it’s solely a hypothetical, so no need to get ‘em all bunched up.
“perceived slights”? What ARE you smoking Uri? You accuse other of comprehension difficulties, yet you can’t see that there were real slights made in that piece?
I’m sure you can, but it’s all about circling the wagons and triaging your (very)junior “reporter” at this point, isn’t it?
SunnyMarie
Mar 6th, 2007
“B) What no one has yet mentioned is that in addition to being unethical and inappropriate, you are also lazy in your “reporting.” You don’t have the few facts you offer here straight. The beef you have with Sabrina about not having time to thank designers who drop stuff on us was written by ME.”
Why am I not surprised that another Herald “reporter” got her facts wrong again, and went to press with them anyway?
Great work Herald!
Veronique Lalonde
Mar 6th, 2007
Uri:
Hit a nerve? Well, when someone is slagged unfairly, seemingly for no reason other than perhaps jealousy, yeah, that’s bound to hit a nerve. Some people have a sense of decency and fairness. I don’t know Sabrina personally, but I can’t see the problem if someone is glamorous in public life and lets her hair down, so to speak, in private life. Surely no one thinks RL style mavens are glamorous all the time. Is that hypocrisy?
You might want to teach your “reporter” about critical thinking and how to criticize without resorting to ad hominem attacks. I know this is only the Herald, but most of the time you guys are fun. Petty nastiness isn’t fun.
As for the real story coming out in the comments, you might be right about that, although perhaps not the story you’re thinking of. Will Rogers had a sage bit of advice: “When you find yourself in a hole, the first thing to do is stop digging.”
Salome:
Thanks for your clear, comprehensive, balanced comments. I guess Uri would rather pay attention to the more heated comments.
SunnyMarie
Mar 6th, 2007
“Hit a nerve? Well, when someone is slagged unfairly, seemingly for no reason other than perhaps jealousy, yeah, that’s bound to hit a nerve.”
And to top it off, she attacked the WRONG PERSON.
Still standing behind your little grasshopper now Uri?
Morgana Fillion
Mar 6th, 2007
“Morgana says: “if you suggest that criticism of what she writes is piling on, I’m not sure what you’re offering her?”
This was apparently made in reference to my response to Sabrina, wherein I said: “criticism is also valuable, so your comment is appropriate and welcome.”"
No, it was in response to the paragraph preceding it where you indicated that you declined to get involved in assisting Tenshi with her content problems because you believe your reporters “need room to experiment, push boundaries, and learn to find the right note when they do so.” and that you only become concerned when you see what you believe to be piling on.
I’m suggesting to you return that you’d be a better editor if you’d get involved a little earlier and help her learn how to report in such a way that doesn’t generate twelve tons of valid criticism. if you don’t think it’s valid, I’d be interested in seeing you address the criticisms on their face rather than just vaguely waving a hand and labeling it cliquishness.
“Clearly some people in this thread are have reading comprehension difficulties, and some also suffer from a conceptual deficit of some sort, since they obviously can’t distinguish between criticism and piling on.”
I agree on both counts, and add you to the ‘some people.’
“I might have dismissed Tenshi’s post as a lame pissy post by an immature SLer, but as we have ”
If that’s the case, they why didn’t you help her do a better job on your behalf?
…”learned in the Herald, the real story always comes out in the comments, and what the comments tell me is that Tenshi hit a nerve here. What she has shown me (and what many of you have shown me via your vituperative comments) is that there is a little bee hive full of nasty self-important drama queens that have no sense of proportion when it comes to perceived slights on their clique or members thereof.”
Of course she hits a nerve. She hit a few. Behind every SL avatar there is a real person who doesn’t really want to be told that their RL and SL must match up on all points or they are hypocrits, and if they look like a real live human being rather than their cartoon avatar, they are somehow to be regarded as too worthless to show themselves in public. There’s also the never pleasant reminder that jealous pissy people sometimes get so caught up in their own bile that they forget that it’s not acceptable to cross the line into RL when taking aim. When did the Herald decide that was no longer the line that shouldn’t be crossed?
As to cliques, I have no doubt there are many in SL and in blogs that talk about SL, but I’m not a part of any of them. My ‘clique’ is as a human being and a member of SL and perhaps a much smaller one that considered the Herald to be frequently irreverent but not without standards. Times change.
I honestly don’t know if I’m more disappointed by the real-life line crossing, or the total lack of sense in that bit of snark that masquerades as reporting. It belonged in her weblog, not here.
Caramel LeShelle
Mar 6th, 2007
Uri:
You’re kidding yourself if you think the 90+ comments on here that are critical of Tenshi are the result of “a beehive of drama queens” that belong to some rival clique!
I mean the suggestion is plainly ludicrous!
Most of us that have bothered to comment here have simply been floored that the Herald would publish a petty, spiteful personal attack like this. I’d never heard of either of these people before.
And gauging the success of a post on it’s comments is a fraught exercise indeed. I’m not being dramatic when I say that this article and your response to it has severely dropped the Herald in my estimation.
For the 30ish people that have bothered to comment there are no doubt another 1000 or so readers who’ve seen this article and gone WTF is this rubbish? Many of them may not return.
Quit while you’re ahead, there is no defense to be found for this rubbish.
Xiang Hifeng
Mar 6th, 2007
Like most people I found this op-ed mean spirited and really ugly, and I was kinda confused on why this was included in the Herald =(
But on the other hand I’m grateful I learned about the Linden Lifestyles site and plan to read it regularly.
Panda
Mar 6th, 2007
Could it be made clear which head Prof. Urizenus is thinking with when he steps out to defend the hard working student Miss Tenshi?
Maybe Tenshi needs a better grade on her exam and Uri is more than willing to, ummmm, help her out with that I’m sure..
SunnyMarie
Mar 6th, 2007
“if you don’t think it’s valid, I’d be interested in seeing you address the criticisms on their face rather than just vaguely waving a hand and labeling it cliquishness.”
Exactly, however, in my experience, this is how he always responds to criticism of the Herald even when it’s fully deserved, as in this case. He grabs in all directions for straws to try and deflect it. Blames cliques, the FIC, and other nebulous, undefinable cells of people who all act in concert supposedly, even though most of them probably are just naturally and understandably appalled at such crass behaviour. So it’s ok for the “reporters” here to criticise, because they are of a caste well above the rest of us I guess… But turn it back on them, and Uri starts whinging like a sow.
What a damned baby.
I too, would like to know when it became ok to do RL personal attacks here, because when people were doing it to Prokofy, Uri and the others here roundly condemned it and even moderated comments they felt were over the line, and they were nowhere near on par with this attack which has been now exposed as based on misattribution.
So much for principles.
If you’re a staff member, apparently you have immunity. If you’re just a lowly commenter, you’re a bad person if you attack someone’s RL.
Go figure.
Hypocrites.
Tenshi Vielle
Mar 6th, 2007
“Could it be made clear which head Prof. Urizenus is thinking with when he steps out to defend the hard working student Miss Tenshi?
Maybe Tenshi needs a better grade on her exam and Uri is more than willing to, ummmm, help her out with that I’m sure..”
Oh, for christ’s sakes. Pervert.
Panda
Mar 6th, 2007
The real story always comes out in the comments, and what the comments tell me is that Panda hit a nerve here.
SunnyMarie
Mar 6th, 2007
Interesting choice of comments to choose to respond to dimwit.
P.S. I think Panda is joking.
Maybe if you averted your gaze from your own navel for a moment you’d have HALF a chance of understanding that.
Actually, I’m surprised to see you still here popping off like a snot nose again when you have been exposed as having attacked entirely the wrong person.
No comment on Salome’s comment? Thought not.
How’s the mud over there anyway?
Ryan Darragh
Mar 6th, 2007
I think Sabrina and Salome’s responses here make it pretty clear that they’re a class act. That’s really all that matters.
Elexor Matador
Mar 6th, 2007
Wanna know a secret? I have no idea how to make jewelry in real life…
*gasp* There it is! I’ve been outted! I’m such a fraud!
Let me know if you wanna do an OpEd about me and my fraudulent ways. I’ll even give you a picture of me not wearing a watch.
Now, please excuse me while I go cry this out.
Sean Clancy
Mar 6th, 2007
The fact that this childish screed was allowed to be published in the first place, that its unapologetic author claims to have some as-yet-unexplained point to it all (other than the evident issues of jealousy, vindictiveness and immaturity) and that one of her contributing editors seems to think there is nothing wrong with it speaks volumes about the quality of this publication. I’m reminded of why I haven’t read it in a while. (Someone pointed this post out to me today, which is the only reason I saw it at all.)
If this is what the Herald thinks is printworthy, I don’t think I’ll be back anytime soon.
Urizenus
Mar 6th, 2007
Well Panda, I don’t know where Tenshi goes to school or even if she is a student, but I think you did a fine job of illustrating the kind of vile vituperative comments that we have seen in nearly 100 posts here.
The bottom line is this. Sabrina is a public figure, and a fashion reporter in a self-proclaimed tabloid newspaper published an op/ed piece that dissed Sabrina’s appearance. Too bad. You and Sabrina and the rest of your catty little clique need to grow up because you can’t hide behind the magic circle anymore.
If you are a public figure in SL then you are ipso facto a public figure in RL. If you a successful fashionista in SL, then you are ipso facto are a fashionista in RL. If you don’t want to dress the part that is fine by me, but don’t start crying because a tabloid newspaper puts you in their “fashion victims” page.
I actually didn’t understand this to begin with myself, so I thank Tenshi for her post. It, and the comments that followed have helped me to see the venom and bile that run through the SL fashion scene, and they have also helped me to see the way in which the illusion of the magic circle is used to cloak the ugliness of that scene. Good job, Tenshi!
Sean Clancy
Mar 6th, 2007
I think Sabrina and Salome’s responses here make it pretty clear that they’re a class act.
Indeed. It’s also clear that Tenshi and the Herald are not.
Prokofy Neva
Mar 6th, 2007
>What she has shown me (and what many of you have shown me via your vituperative comments) is that there is a little bee hive full of nasty self-important drama queens that have no sense of proportion when it comes to perceived slights on their clique or members thereof.
>So I learned something, and I certainly look forward to publishing many more stories on this clique. It’s like the new FIC — the Fashion Fic!
Bingo. And actually they aren’t so new — and they’ve been around for ages, and if you ever read the old official forums, you’d see all of it in action there — it’s one of the reasons the Lindens were going to first close down the new products forums because all these little cats would scratch at the new skins announcements and try to trash each other.
The premiere example of the catty little bitchy prima dona persona who engages in the most outrageous pouty self-justification and nastiness to others is of course Aimee Weber, the Has-Been Preen Queen (she doesn’t make fashions anymore), who has cultivated this to a fine sheen.
Then it goes from there, with episodes like Katt Kongo pumping Ginny Talamasca and dissing others, and all the rest of it. Just peruse all the forums and blogs and you’ll see all the evil little harpies at work. Think of that whole Torrid Midnight saga where she ripped somebody’s skin and they got all porky and she did all sorts of fast talking about it then dropped out of the scene. They’ve formed the core of SL for ages. SL is definitely like a 6th grade girls’ clique, and these types have always given it that awful atmosphere. It’s a reflection of their deep insecurity.
And I will pass on some deep wisdom I got about this from a friend, when I tried to fathom why all these bitchy little fashionistas were impressing the Lindens so much, and why on earth the Lindens had grown so dependent on them:
Answer: “They make the ugly Linden women feel beautiful.”
Veronique Lalonde
Mar 6th, 2007
< < Well Panda, I don't know where Tenshi goes to school or even if she is a student, but I think you did a fine job of illustrating the kind of vile vituperative comments that we have seen in nearly 100 posts here. >>
Could you please document all the vile, vituperative comments Uri? Don’t forget to point out how many of the 100 posts in fact contain *no* vile, vituperative comments, not even in jest. You’re not ignoring evidence, are you?
< < You and Sabrina and the rest of your catty little clique need to grow up because you can't hide behind the magic circle anymore. >>
You have yet to do more than assert the existence of this so-called catty little clique. The evidence so far is against it existing. Unless you care to demonstrate otherwise, logically and without vile, vituperative comments?
< < If you are a public figure in SL then you are ipso facto a public figure in RL. >>
Really? What sort of logic is that?
< < If you a successful fashionista in SL, then you are ipso facto are a fashionista in RL. >>
If you are a wolf in SL, then you are ipso facto a wolf in RL. If you are a Drow in SL, then you are ipso facto a Drow in RL. Uri, your logic is stunning!
< < I actually didn't understand this to begin with myself, so I thank Tenshi for her post. >>
I can’t see any understanding from you yet, hon.
< < It, and the comments that followed have helped me to see the venom and bile that run through the SL fashion scene, and they have also helped me to see the way in which the illusion of the magic circle is used to cloak the ugliness of that scene. >>
So far, I mostly see venom and bile in the original article, its follow-ups, and in your so-called defence. You were taking people to task for lacking reading comprehension earlier in this thread. Try to read what’s actually here, not what you want to see.
I mean, really, Uri. So far, you’ve responded to the few nasty comments (at least some made in jest), grossly inflating their numbers, and have ignored the substantive comments. No reply to Salome, for instance? It doesn’t bother you that your reporter tore into the wrong person?
Fortunately, most of what you guys publish has more wit than this piece. I’m not ready to give up on ya yet.
Prokofy Neva
Mar 6th, 2007
>Prok – I know it’s been done before, that is why I said it. I was trying to point out that Uri/Walker/whomever would never allow ME to write and article disparaging YOUR RL looks contrasted with mine and the went on to tie that into some bullshit justification due to RL/SL inconsistency of looks.
Um, there’s this silly notion here that somebody is going to “allow” or “not allow” something merely because it would disparage me. Every day, there is stuff that disparages me here constantly. Duh? It wouldn’t be “about” allowing or disallowing. It’s been done many times before, including *by the Herald itself* in fact.
I don’t know Tenshi’s history at the Herald, or the decisions about what led to her being hired or publishing this piece, ask Pixeleen. But I don’t think it’s some big drama.
What I really think this whole article about is Voice.
Urizenus
Mar 6th, 2007
Quite so, Prok, it’s about Voice. This is about little upstart Tenshi daring to challenge the ruling fashion clique, and not just challenge them but do it in a way that cut straight to the bone: she challenged their RL fashion creds which in turn makes us think about their SL fashion cred. But it isn’t really about *what* she said, it is really about the fact *that she said it.* How dare she!
Of course the funniest part was Aimee coming here to attack Tenshi’s post, just days after Aime herself posted your pic (from the metaverse meetup) on Second Citizen, complete with cracks about your appearance. The message: its ok to ridicule people, just be sure you ridicule the little people and not the people that count.
Morgana Fillion
Mar 6th, 2007
If you a tiny talking bunny in SL, then you are ipso facto are a tiny talking bunny in RL.
If you a woman in SL, then you are ipso facto are a woman in RL.
The reality train has left the station without you, Uri.
SunnyMarie
Mar 6th, 2007
“Um, there’s this silly notion here that somebody is going to “allow” or “not allow” something merely because it would disparage me. Every day, there is stuff that disparages me here constantly. Duh? It wouldn’t be “about” allowing or disallowing. It’s been done many times before, including *by the Herald itself* in fact.”
I’m not talking about COMMENTS DUH! even though Uri has seen fit to edit comments that disparaged you in RL in the past. That’s a fact. DUH! And show me the pieces where they allowed you to be attacked in the piece itself. They don’t exist. The only threads I can find here is stuff like Sympathy for Prokofy, Avatar of the year, and other crap like that. Hardly dispaging. But hey, don’t let me stop your from misrepresenting things in public, nothing ever has before, as long as the end goal is gaining more (perceived) steam for your stupid conspiracy theories.
I’m talking about letting me write a piece attacking your RL persona along side an RL pic of you, idiot, not that I would or have ANY desire to, although you sure would be an easy target, what with your sunny disposition and all.
You do see the difference, yes?
And you do realise that they would NEVER let that fly here, because your a part of the wagon train here right? If there’s any inner core being exposed here, it’s that of the Herald staff.
Where are these fashionistas piling on? Who are they I have no connection what so ever to that trade. Is Marcellus in the trade? Is Panda? Who here is besides the little twit that wrote the piece, and the person she attacked? I’m guessing Salome would be the only other that I know of, and don’t Sabrina and Salome have the right to reply since they’re the ones being attacked?
It’s oh so very interesting and telling that you came out initially against Tenshi, even called her names, yet the moment Uri drops the FIC bomb, you’re all over it like stink on shit.
Pavlovy Neva? Is that you?
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Panda
Mar 6th, 2007
“Well Panda, I don’t know where Tenshi goes to school or even if she is a student, but I think you did a fine job of illustrating the kind of vile vituperative comments that we have seen in nearly 100 posts here.”
Well Uri, it must suck to get thrown back at you what you dole out, eh? As for public figures, you’re an Editor, and Tenshi is a “reporter” (cough) for this very tabloid. That makes you two public figures as well, so suck it up.
SunnyMarie
Mar 6th, 2007
“Quite so, Prok, it’s about Voice. This is about little upstart Tenshi daring to challenge the ruling fashion clique, and not just challenge them but do it in a way that cut straight to the bone: she challenged their RL fashion creds which in turn makes us think about their SL fashion cred. But it isn’t really about *what* she said, it is really about the fact *that she said it.* How dare she!”
Is there ANY subject you fools can’t morph into some sort of FIC bullshit?
“Voice?” Then why are you acting as the voice for her? If she’s such a scrappy challenger to the status quo, she should be able to do that herself, no?
Wish I had an aging professor to take up for me when I decided to show my ass in public. Pathetic.
I don’t know who that makes the bigger loser, you or her.
This has nothing to do with cred and everything to do with petty jealousy and business tactics. Open your eyes.
I keep imagiming Uri with a monocle when he says “Quite so Prok”. Faux-haute bourgeoisie ftw!
Maria Malone
Mar 6th, 2007
No marsy you didn’t rest your case cause you don’t have one (exactly the point i made in my last response) – you just don’t have any reply to the truth that i posted so your response is “i rest my case” because you have been shut up and put out to pasture.
now go back to your hole and dream of the good ole days when you actually thought you were something but really wasn’t…
Urizenus i think this qualifies as a story “poster shuts has been mob boss up in herald comments”
Wayfinder Wishbringer
Mar 6th, 2007
Doesn’t anyone at the Herald examine/edit articles prior to publishing? This one should have never hit the racks.
I can only hope the author wrote this as a simple error of judgement rather than darker reasons.
Uri, old friend, I’d recommend setting up a “Senior Editor”.
Gando Thurston
Mar 6th, 2007
“Quite so, Prok, it’s about Voice. This is about little upstart Tenshi daring to challenge the ruling fashion clique, and not just challenge them but do it in a way that cut straight to the bone: she challenged their RL fashion creds which in turn makes us think about their SL fashion cred. But it isn’t really about *what* she said, it is really about the fact *that she said it.* How dare she!”
This isn’t challenging anyone. It is just poor logic that we aren’t standing behind.
- Sabrina is a main style icon in SL.
- Sabrina really wears “ugly” shirts, has a cross-eyed slobbery dog, and advises we play SL in our PJs.
- Therefore Sabrina really can’t be a main style icon of SL, because, nobody wants to see a washed up person parading around in SL as one of the main style icons.
It’s been a long time since my logic classes, but isn’t this classic ad hominem?
Great fashion ideas do not require you to be personally fashionable all the time, nor even anytime.
Oh. One more thing.
Balls.
Persephone Milk
Mar 6th, 2007
I will never read the Hearld again. In recent months I have seen a lot of spotty reporting here. But nothing as hateful and envious as this hit job. Motives within motives. Sabrina does a wonderful job for the fashion community people enjoy reading her reviews. Maybe someday somebody will respect you too Tenshi. But it looks like you have a long way to go.
Marsellus Wallace
Mar 6th, 2007
Is that truly the best you can do to derail the topic Maria (*coughs* TPB)? I rested my case, but if you wish to keep making yourself look the ass… Be my guest. =)
Marsellus Wallace
Not even worth a witty comment here. =P
Urizenus
Mar 6th, 2007
Wayfinder, you are about 100 posts behind. This is no longer about Tenshi’s article but about the viscious tag team attacks on her by the SL fashionistas.
I note that the fashionistas resort to the same tactics here as do the “Patriotic Nigras” in the comments to an earlier article. They argue that they are immune to RL critique because they are safely doing their thing behind a magic circle. They aren’t *really* fashion biz people just like furries aren’t racoons or foxes in real life.
The problem is this. Some activities in SL *do* count as RL activities of the same form and others do not. Example: if you roleplay as a newspaper editor and publish stories, then like it or not you are part of the RL infosphere and people will regard you as such. Likewise if you run a fashion business or fashion journal in SL then like it or not you are commenting on and developing fashion concepts that have real life application. On the other hand, if you roleplay as a racoon you are not a racoon. The difference is not hard to understand and it comes to this: being a newspaper editor or fashion designer is an activity that can take place in a graphical computer mediated environment. Being a racoon requires having certain biological properties. It’s a simple point, yet people fall back on the fallacious contention that what they do in SL is exempt from RL rules and considerations and yes ridicule.
I certainly understand that RL criticism will come my way because of the Herald, and trust me when I say that it does. Should a SL fashionista be exempt from shots at her RL appearance if she shows up in a magazine with bad hair, or a fashion victim T-shirt or out of season dog? I don’t see why.
Once we explode the BS facade about RL not being fair game, then what do we have? Well we have a clique of viscious vituperative fashionistas attacking someone who would dare dis one of own — someone who had the courage to say that in RL the empress was … not exactly naked … but, well, frumpy.
Oh, and monocles are teh sexy. When I wear mine you would hardly know I’m a senior citizen.
Prokofy Neva
Mar 6th, 2007
Sunnymarie, You need to google better, hun. The Herald really pilloried me when I first came to SL, in a story called “The Second Coming of Dyerbrook,” filled with lies and inuendos and falsehoods that many continue to meme today. Later, there were at least 2 stories coming out of SLCC I with my RL picture making me look stupid, one where I was dancing with Anshe with cracks about land barons. These were Herald stories; they were not comments.
I can only write what I think. It seemed to me that this was a nasty post; I still think that. I still don’t get why it got here in the first place, but then the QC around here is, well, fairly unbalanced.
I had no idea what the dynamics were. It seemed to me that the girl who was attacked had a cuter real-life face and outfit and even dog than the nasty bitch Tenshi. But that doesn’t take away from the other truth which emerged in the comments, as Uri always so aptly notes: that this is a deeper commentary about the whole nasty fashionista business, which is a metaphor for all of SL, frankly.
Uri, I missed the post on SC with my RL picture recently, but they do that all the time on SC, with all kinds of garbage, a lot of it false. This is all part of Aimee’s “backlash” for me writing *the truth* about SLCC which was something like “SL consists of a lot of tall, geeky, pasty-faced men and a lot of dumpy, short fat women”. I don’t exclude myself from this description, duh. It was a report, and anybody in the room would see that it was the case, with the notable exception of Philip Linden, who is a recognizable hottie.
Aimee, who was afraid to come to SLCC and actually be seen in public and possibly ridiculed then or “outed,” then got all bent out of shape about me writing this truth and kept harassing me — and still is, two years later ROFL.
SunnyMarie, gosh it’s been like what…24 hours? since somebody has posted my RL picture and ridiculed me somewhere. So, accept the challenge, work it, and maybe you, too, can get published in the Herald!
Artemis Fate
Mar 6th, 2007
“The message: its ok to ridicule people, just be sure you ridicule the little people and not the people that count.”
Prokofy Neva is a “little person”? I’ve never heard of either Tenshi or Sabrina. I have heard of Prok, he has a page dedicated to him in the Second Life book, has been mentioned and interviewed in magazines regarding second life, and has a wiki article about him in terms of Second Life. Prok is hardly one of the “little people”.
Course, Aimee also would make cracks about Prok’s appearance, since Prok went to great efforts of ritually insulting and attacking Aimee in and out of his blog. There would be anamosity there. Anyways, I have to agree, this whole thing was pretty spiteful and pointless (not in an insulting way, just that it literally has no point except to be spiteful)
CronoCloud Creeggan
Mar 6th, 2007
Urizemus said:
This is no longer about Tenshi’s article but about the viscious tag team attacks on her by the SL fashionistas.
And which people commenting are fashionistas? I see four, counting myself, none of which attacked Tenshi viciously.
And if this whole thing is really about voice, why didn’t Tenshi write an Op/Ed article on how voice would ruin the immersivness for her or something
Wayfinder Wishbringer
Mar 7th, 2007
>Wayfinder, you are about 100 posts behind. This is no longer about Tenshi’s article but about the viscious tag team attacks on her by the SL fashionistas. — Uri< Yup, you’re correct. I read the original article, about he first half dozen responses… then skipped the rest, lacking the 3 hours that would have been required to catch up. XD
You know how I hate trolling Uri, so I hate it anytime someone directly attacks someone else. That feeling would be multiplied tenfold in an article seemingly dedicated to the proposition. Of course, one can’t tell the motives behind the article, whether it’s an old grudge match or whatever. All I know is that there’s a difference between responsible journalism, “Enquirer” type nonsense, and character assasination. No one expects the Herald to be the New York Times (in fact, I find it to often be a fairly tongue-in-cheek, which is why I enjoy much of it). But… I just failed to see any redeeming qualities whatsoever from this article. And you know me; I call an apple an apple.
Besides, I thought the dog was ugly-cute, and anyone who likes ugly-cute dogs can’t be all that bad…
Artemis Fate
Mar 7th, 2007
“And which people commenting are fashionistas? I see four, counting myself”
Do I count on that? I think there’s a difference between “clothing-maker” and “fashionista”, the former being a person who does this as a business or for fun, and the latter who does it sort of as like a lifestyle, and obsesses about their fashion and other’s fashion
Joannah Cramer
Mar 7th, 2007
“This is no longer about Tenshi’s article but about the viscious tag team attacks on her by the SL fashionistas.”
The comments i read here question quality of person behind Tenshi’s AV.
Earlier in these very comments you said that such remarks aimed at another person behind another AV “do them no harm”.
Consequently, i have to accept that by the same token you can’t possibly find comments questioning character of person behind Tenshi’s AV do any harm, either.
How then exactly are these “vicious attacks”? After all, no one is getting harmed here…
or are they?
You can only have it one way *or* the other, am afraid. Either people are “viciously attacking” Tenshi which renders the original article a “vicious attack” of the same quality (or lack thereof) or everything is still being peachy, and there’s nothing to defend Tenshi from.
Which is it?
Veronique Lalonde
Mar 7th, 2007
< < This is no longer about Tenshi's article but about the viscious tag team attacks on her by the SL fashionistas. >>
Could you point out the SL fashionistas in this thread for me, Uri? I’m not one, and I really have no idea who is, or even exactly what a “fashionista” is.
< < Example: if you roleplay as a newspaper editor and publish stories, then like it or not you are part of the RL infosphere and people will regard you as such. >>
So that would come under the heading of “their mistake,” I think. I’m a counsellor in SL. I say right up front that I am not (yet) one in RL, just a good listener with a bit of technique. I’m a fashion model in SL. I am most certainly not one in RL. I have built houses in SL, but I can’t build houses in RL. I take pretty good photographs in SL, but that is definitely not true in RL.
< < Once we explode the BS facade about RL not being fair game, then what do we have? >>
An ad hominem attack?
< < Well we have a clique of viscious vituperative fashionistas attacking someone who would dare dis one of own -- someone who had the courage to say that in RL the empress was ... not exactly naked ... but, well, frumpy. >>
Again, could you tell me who is in this clique? Just the facts, sir, please. I certainly am not. I’m not in any clique. Look me up, you’ll find it’s true. Of course, you have ignored everything I’ve posted here so far. I expect that to continue. I’m just writing for the non-fulminators at this point.
You certainly do have a peculiar idea of what constitutes courage.
And again, what exactly is wrong with RL Sabrina being a normal human being who owns a dog? I’m really not getting that. Oh, that must be the point that was never made!
Uri, you have not only ignored everything I’ve posted. You’ve ignored quite a lot of what others posted as well. Are you unable to reply to specific, rational points? Afraid? Can’t be bothered? Too busy fulminating, perhaps?
Oh, by the way, I should not have called you “hon” in that last post. That was uncalled for and unprofessional. I apologize.
See, it really is that easy to say, “I was wrong.”
Panda
Mar 7th, 2007
It would seem that Urizenus finds it completely impossible to respond to (the eloquent, well made) points made to his comments, which unfortunately makes him completely irrelevant to the discussion regarding Tenshi and the original article. He simply comes off as trying to stoke the fires to raise traffic to his tablid-blog.
As noble an act as that may seem to the Herald, it shows his typist to be just another rotten individual with little to no morals, simply out for personal gain and bragging rights over inflated site traffic.
And THAT, dear readers, is the truth that comes out in the comments.
SunnyMarie
Mar 7th, 2007
>>>>Wayfinder, you are about 100 posts behind. This is no longer about Tenshi’s article but about the viscious tag team attacks on her by the SL fashionistas.
I note that the fashionistas resort to the same tactics here as do the “Patriotic Nigras” in the comments to an earlier article. They argue that they are immune to RL critique because they are safely doing their thing behind a magic circle. They aren’t *really* fashion biz people just like furries aren’t racoons or foxes in real life.
The problem is this. Some activities in SL *do* count as RL activities of the same form and others do not. Example: if you roleplay as a newspaper editor and publish stories, then like it or not you are part of the RL infosphere and people will regard you as such. Likewise if you run a fashion business or fashion journal in SL then like it or not you are commenting on and developing fashion concepts that have real life application. On the other hand, if you roleplay as a racoon you are not a racoon. The difference is not hard to understand and it comes to this: being a newspaper editor or fashion designer is an activity that can take place in a graphical computer mediated environment. Being a racoon requires having certain biological properties. It’s a simple point, yet people fall back on the fallacious contention that what they do in SL is exempt from RL rules and considerations and yes ridicule.
I certainly understand that RL criticism will come my way because of the Herald, and trust me when I say that it does. Should a SL fashionista be exempt from shots at her RL appearance if she shows up in a magazine with bad hair, or a fashion victim T-shirt or out of season dog? I don’t see why.
Once we explode the BS facade about RL not being fair game, then what do we have? Well we have a clique of viscious vituperative fashionistas attacking someone who would dare dis one of own — someone who had the courage to say that in RL the empress was … not exactly naked … but, well, frumpy.
Oh, and monocles are teh sexy. When I wear mine you would hardly know I’m a senior citizen.<<<<
Are you ever going to back up this charge with some evidence, or are you just going to keep waving your magic wand, and herding people you know very little about into groups that fit your agenda to utilise this situation for your own selfish goals by shifting the onus of responsibilty from a catty personal attack in the form of an article on to some FIC bogeyman group you’ve conveniently invented? Maybe there is some fashionista clique out there, but they surely aren’t here right now, and two comments from Aimee certainly does not exemplify some group attack. I am an individual, I stumbled onto this article myself, and am replying FOR ME and no one else. Apparently you think you are a mind reader with an all seeing eye. Sorry, your monocle is clouded, badly. Either that or you’re just being disingenuous for the sake of running damage control while conveniently feeding your rabid appetite for FIC type conspiracies.
You’re full of it Uri, you know and I know what you’re trying to do here. It’s twofold, one, you’re trying to reverse the role of villain, and two, you’re inventing some sort of FIC issue here – both designed to shunt blame from Tenshi. We aren’t buying it, so you may as well stop insulting us by making a chant out of it.
It’s such an eye opener that you think you get to pick and choose which professions are attackable in RL and which ones aren’t. Sorry sir, I reject your ad hoc legislation, and I imagine most others here do too. You’re in no position to decide for the whole of SL (and the internet by extension) who is fair game and who isn’t. You don’t get to decide that for the rest of us. Ego much?
So am I a fashionista? You haven’t answered that yet. Is Wayfinder? Joannah? any of these other people besides Tenshi and the person she attacked, an the other (Salome) who got drawn in because she is the one who actually said the things that Tenshi attributed to Sabrina?
I’ll also point out that Tenshi is tight with the Tableau folks, omg, you’re indirectly supporting FIC! So if there is any connection to any sort of fashion FIC, it isn’t one enjoyed by the commenters here, but your beloved little “reporter” is thick in it. Take a look at her profile where she star-fucks half of Tableau by pasting in comments from Toast, Barnes and the gang.
And on that subject, it hasn’t gone unnoticed, as others have indicated, that both Tenshi, and now you, (now that you’re her mouthpiece here) haven’t AT ALL ADDRESSED SALOME’S COMMENT REVEALING THAT THERE WAS A GLARING MISATTRIBUTION HERE!
HELLO??? URI??? Your silence speaks volumes.
I’ll just assume that nothing printed here can be taken at face value anymore, because you seem to have no aversion to letting lies stand.
Prok – I have neither the time nor the inclination to go dig through years old archives where you all had it out when you were in TSO or in transition to SL or whatever. I did a cursory search, and anything that came up in the top of the Google results which pertained directly to articles which were specifically targeted at you, were favourable. It matters naught to me that you all got over your past issues with one another (why am I not surprised you had them?), before you all had your epiphanys or whatnot and decided that for SL, you’d better get along so you could garner a feeling of more collective clout, importance and relevance, when you all decided you were going to make bellyaching about SL your online careers. So, I don’t care about ancient history, and I still stand 100% behind what I said: The Herald would NEVER EVER allow such a piece to run about Anshe, or you, or anyone else on their “nice” list. Period, and you know it too. Answer the question – and I am speaking about here, today, not 3 years ago. Would it be allowed?
So, what we have here is some people are more equal than others, which is ironic given that that is the main beef you and Uri apparently have with SL. Walking your own talk isn’t a strong suit for either of you though, is it?
SunnyMarie
Mar 7th, 2007
Addendum to my comment above.
Uri, using your “logic”, Prok is a legal target, because he takes SL beyond SL with his blog, this publication, NY Times articles with pics, RL appearances at SL functions, and so forth. One must inquire then, why do you condemn it when HIS RL is attacked?
After all, landlord is a RL profession too!
If you’re trying to expose yourself as an abject hypocrite, you’re doing a bang up job of it.
You see Uri, you are the only one here clinging to the indefencible position that it’s ok to attack certain people and not others. None of the people who think this whole thing is bullshit, like I do, has said that certain people shouldn’t be attacked and certain others should. That’s all you. What I have seen is that people think its not ok for ANYONE to be attacked in this manner, yourself included. That’s a far cry from trying to erect some selective “magic circle”.
Nacon
Mar 7th, 2007
Tenshi said: “re·port·er /rɪˈpɔrtər, -ˈpoʊr-/ –noun 1. A person who reports. 2. A writer, investigator, or presenter of news stories.”
Oh wow… you are correct… but that doesn’t mean you are one too, you’re still an idiot.
Oh, for the “record”, SL Herald is not an actual herald news, just more of a bleeding joke.
Not sure if you realize that yet.
Veronique said: “Oh, by the way, I should not have called you “hon” in that last post. That was uncalled for and unprofessional. I apologize. See, it really is that easy to say, “I was wrong.” …”
Sorry I called you a bitch, Tenshi and raping your hard cold faggy (oops?) ass (oops again?), Wayfinder.
…Wow, it IS easy!
You’re still an idiot, Herald.
Urizenus
Mar 7th, 2007
>HELLO??? URI??? Your silence speaks volumes.
Yes it says that I have a job and I sleep at night.
You know people, I think the real lesson here is that one should never sport a black dog before Labor Day. The virtual tabloid press will definitely make you pay for it. I know, it is so hurtful, but it is the way of things.
Persephone Milk
Mar 7th, 2007
Actually, the real lesson here is that the Herald cannot be taken seriously. The contributors are unqualified, unskilled, and are dripping with obvious agenda. There is no editorial control, not even a modest pretense to real journalism, and when wrong, simply no class or willingness to self reflect.
Urizenus
Mar 7th, 2007
ic persephone, so what you are telling me is that *is* ok to sport a black dog before Labor Day. It’s so hard to keep up with these things, but then what could be more important?
babydoll Goodnight
Mar 7th, 2007
Everyone who is condemning Uri and the Herald needs to stfu No he didnt pay me to say that Ive known this man for 3-4 years since TSO He is a sweetheart AND ive enjoyed reading the Herald altho i havent posted in quite awhile. We dont have to agree with every article and its ok to say you dont like a story. But its damn rude to jump on the bandwagon and start slamming him for allowing one retard story to be uploaded. Like swarming vultures or rabid dogs jezus krikey Direct your anger where it belongs . . At Tenshi . . sorry Uri lol i know thats only half assed support but hey . . i dont like the little bitch . . shes vapid . . there are ways to be catty without resorting to direct insults. If you wanna do it right you hafta smile and be sweet. You can say anything you want if you say it the right way . . no one will call you on it lol . . also its really bad to say someone is unattractive and then give people a picture of you to look at as an example of “better” You come off conceited when you do that, its bad manners and obnoxious. And *winces* unfortunately for you Tenshi . . its twice as bad because your example of better isnt very attractive imo. Its like watching Sarah Jessica Parker dancing through the streets of New York singing “i feel pretty” when we all know she is dog ugly, her hair is fried and her nose is HUGE
Also i disagree that if you are a designer in Sl you are a designer in Rl . . thats only works for uhhh U2 and hookers who skype . . if youre a designer in sl you sit on your ass all day playing with pixels in photoshop . . last time i checked when i studied fashion in rl. . that wasnt the job description of a designer in rl
so to summarize .. i love Uri, i dont like vapid wenches and photoshop makes baby jesus cry ok thanks bye
Persephone Milk
Mar 7th, 2007
Ummmm … Keeping poorly-researched and hateful personal attacks clearly driven by agenda and envy off the pages of the Herald?
Sabrina Doolittle
Mar 7th, 2007
OK this is REALLY starting to bother me.
The dog is not drooling in that photo. In fact, while I know how common it is with boxers, the dog *never* drools. The shadow on the right of her mouth is, in fact, a crease in my shirt.
Obviously, I wouldn’t expect any kind of actual accuracy from Tenshi, who (as has been pointed out several times with no response) is justifying her dislike for me by quoting several statements from Linden Lifestyles – not one of which is a statement I actually made. They are all Salome’s quotes, in an article clearly attributed to her.
The sad thing is, that doesn’t even require research. Salome’s name is right there at the top. All you have to do to get that bit right is be able to read. Which, basically, leaves us with a reporter who can neither read, write nor research.
I’d rethink that raise, guys. If the Herald’s editors are not going to fact check stories filed by their reporters, you absolutely must be able to rely on them to get their stories stright. I think there’s been a serious editorial failure here, but obviously you’ll run your publication as you see fit, and we’ll carry on running ours likewise.
Parsifal
Mar 7th, 2007
babydoll Goodnight, Uri backed and is still backing Tenshi’s stance which you claim is vapid. Not only did he state he stands behind it, he jumped in with both feet and started acting half his age. Therefore you’re making no sense.
If you want to fuck him, send an IM.
Veronique Lalonde
Mar 7th, 2007
OK, I went all the way back to the top of this pile to reread the original piece. Tenshi, were you trying to be FUNNY? That’s what I thought when I read your piece the first time. I thought, no one would really write — or publish — this sort of thing seriously, so it must be a joke. An unfunny, unsuccessful, kind of mean joke, to be sure, but a joke nonetheless. That’s what Uri seems to be trying to pass this all off as now (funny thing about that).
So I’m taking babydoll’s advice and directing my comments to you, Tenshi. You might want to take her advice as well. Catty certainly CAN be funny, but it has to be, y’know, FUNNY. That takes some cleverness. And a rant can certainly be funny. Unfortunately, this was just a rant with no point and no humour, and the follow-ups actually did tell the real story — that this was not an attempt at humour, that you really can’t stand Sabrina for some reason, that you mistakenly thought it was she who wrote what Salome actually wrote, and that you really like being mean-spirited. Suit yourself. You’ve come off rather poorly as a result of your “pet peeve.” Was it worth it?
BTW, I went by your shop yesterday. Your dress designs are quite nice. You can make it in SL on your own merit, right? I mean, you don’t have to try to whack someone else to elevate yourself, right?