Everyone Gangs Up on the Alliance Navy
by Pixeleen Mistral on 15/04/07 at 10:25 pm
New strategic arms treaty for SL combat groups
by Curious Rousselot, war correspondent
Merczateers and others want a new treaty
Friday April 13, 2007 at 5:00 PM PST most of the organized combat groups of Second Life started the process to craft a new treaty on the use of arms and rules of war within Second Life. The meeting, organized by Ethan Schuman of the Merczateers. Representatives of the Alliance Navy were conspiciously absent from the initial meeting.
Up to this point, most combat groups in Second Life have operated under the rules of the Second Life Strategic Arms Limitation Talks (SLSALT). This effort was largely led by the Alliance Navy but involved many other combat groups, including the Merczateers. At that time the two groups were allies but a recent falling out has resulted in the current war between the two groups.
The Merczateers are not the only group who have issues with the Alliance Navy, Inuyasha Deere of the Charleston Revolutionary Navy believes, “what the Mercz believe, shooting [the AN members] will not destroy [the AN]. Isolating the AN will do so, as they will be isolated militarily and economically by [this new treaty], leading to their demise or cooperation with the [treaty] militaries, mafias, and gangs.”
Ethan Schuman wants to fix the SLSALT treaty
Despite the animosity and the lack of Alliance Navy representation at the meeting the reasons for the new treaty was not an aspect of the current war but, “Becauase the current one, (SLSLALT) is flawed”, according to Anthony Lehane. He went on to say, “[the Alliance Navy] will be able to join after a certain amount of time, however.”
Ethan Schuman also commented on the current SLSALT issues, “The current treaty we all abide by, the SLSALT, was developed mainly by the Alliance Navy. Since the RL death of its main author, the SLSALT has not been updated to cover battle tactics and weapons many armies consider to be cheap and unfair, such as phantom rounds which can pass through anything.”
The current talks are attempting to fix aspects of the current SLSALT that are viewed as flawed by many of the combat groups. For example, there is a rule in SLSALT that avatar flying without a vehicle is not permitted but the use of anti-gravity backpack attachments (grav-packs) apparently is permitted as these are standard issue in the Alliance Navy. A nickname bantered around the meeting, Agreement for New Standards Under Combat/Killzone Scenarios (A.N.S.U.C.K.S.). This received much amusement from the participants.
When asked about the AN, Ethan Schuman explained, “We’d have liked to have had AN in from the start, contrary to popular belief”. He went on to explain that the original name of new talks is Military Organiztion Standards for Conventional Operations and Warfare (M.O.S.C.O.W). Kado Maurica suggested the name Unified Combat Standardization Act (UCSA). Although totally off topic, my favourite suggestion (for comic relief) was, “I have vague memories of something similar in Calvin and Hobbes. G.R.O.S.S. or Get Rid Of Slimy girlS. I would like to think that this meeting revolves around a level of maturity surpassing Calvin of that delightful comic.”
As the talks for the new treaty continue to go forward the organizers are hoping that all the combat groups will get fair representation with equal opportunity to talk and the opportunity to moderate the meetings. Ethan Schuman told us, “Now as for why we hosted, and why there’s Mercz logos around everywhere, we just happened to have the lab free, it’s low lag, and we figured it’d be easiest and quiet here.”
Inuyasha Deere found the meeting, “excellent, while I use to be a hater of Mercz, I have realized their excellence within their orgnization and I comply with all of their requests. If they got where they are, they must have done something right.
Prokofy Neva
Apr 15th, 2007
I’m glad the Alliance Navy is here to tackle the problem of Communism and Moscow Gold here in our world.
I don’t care for war groups or war games or the aggression of the AN.
But life is about choices. And if some group is willing to fight the old Soviets, hey, they get my vote for now : )
Mr Sim
Apr 15th, 2007
i dident know that the herald loved pinkos so much I love the amount of bias going on around this publication especialy the blatent opionated views against the AN based soley on the fact that they are the oldest and most succesful group as of yet. I would also like to add a not about the bullshit spewing factory know as the mercs PR dept please for the love of god get some news with a spine the mercz arnt the only ones in this conflict but they certainly seem to be the loudest.
General Cronon
Apr 15th, 2007
Thus, the stories goes Humans fight Furries, then in turn over time destroy themselfs, if not each other.
Anonymous
Apr 15th, 2007
fist of the AN was not invited to the meeting, when they did show up they where banned. the talks started to brake down when the mercz wanted to exclude the AN from any meetings, and ignored as group as a whole, braking all ties including fighting with them, fine with us if the mercz don’t want to fight us, or if any one else doesn’t.
the day after the meeting how ever we held a talks while the mercz refused to come, when they where welcomed to come. later Ethan was wasn’t paying attention to his surroundings admitted that the talks was to get to the AN and use the other combat groups as pawns in front to reps of the other combat groups.
so stop your out right lies that most main combat groups know the reality of how the mercz are nothing but a bunch of back stabling pussies that can’t fight on other peoples terms.
General Cronon
Apr 15th, 2007
Thus, the story goes…Humans fight furries, but in turn destroy each other……if not themselfs.
Harlequin Salome
Apr 16th, 2007
Just a note. SLSALT was written with the input of the Merczateers High Command, as well as Aryte Vesperia of the then-VC. And every single point was, and is, up to negotiation by any and all members.
That the mercz never thought to do so is not a failing in the document.
Kristian Kit (mercz leytenant)
Apr 16th, 2007
AN often says it is the most succesfull army in SL. well i’ve been fighting them for quite a while now and i’m getting really sick of the way they fight.The SlSALT allowed combat methods that we found cheap and fortunatly more shared the opinion. Only AN didn’t bother to provide their marines with gravpacks. Primsitting, and continuous spawnkliing seemed no problems for them. There Talon war planes have homing rockets. Wich is even forbidden by SlSALT. They just don’t enforce their own rules so SLSALT lost all his worth. That’s why we made M.O.S.C.O.W.
Bruno Ziskey
Apr 16th, 2007
And yet this report never bothers to mention how both Sparta and Corsair left these talks during the first meeting because, among other reasons, AN was not allowed by Mercz to be at the meeting? I would think this has some significance to it.
rob Shark
Apr 16th, 2007
Its nice to know that it wasn’t mentioned that the SLSALT was always open to discussion it a group had a particular issue with it. Also note that Inuyasha Deere origianlly tried to ally with the AN but after repeatedly being acting like a complete idiot was asked to leave the base… I see him now and again when him and his group grief the AN bases, dispite the fact he wants a new treaty
shockwave yareach
Apr 16th, 2007
Next headline:
AN declares war on AN!
The Alliance Navy, the only group left on Second Life yet to do so, declared war on itself this morning. This means the AN joins groups like the Gay Yiffy Club, Gorean slavetraders for Buddha and the venerable Disease Club for Men in attacking the AN.
Representatives from the AN insisted that the AN surrender immediately. The AN refused. Talks were ongoing between members of the AN and the AN to try and defuse the situation. The Alliance Navy Talks Internal (ANTI) are hopelessly deadlocked however as nobody in it seems to know just who is on whose side. At this point, armed conflict is all but certain, just as soon as sides are picked.
Mazer Ludd
Apr 16th, 2007
Shockwave, that’s the funniest thing I’ve heard all day. Thank you.
-Mazer Ludd, First Sergeant, Alliance Navy.
Bruno Ziskey
Apr 16th, 2007
I also find it interesting that Proteus Hand was not present at this little get together. Did he even authorize this meeting?
Gaius Goodliffe
Apr 16th, 2007
“i dident know that the herald loved pinkos so much I love the amount of bias going on around this publication”
You must be new here. Welcome!
John Endwahl
Apr 16th, 2007
This “treaty” is a joke, just like SLSALT is. The RL SALT was designed to limit nuclear strategic arms that threatend to destroy the planet. The legitimate equivalent would be a limitation on grid or sim attacks, many of which are already covered under the SL TOS. If one wanted to be charitable, one could compare it to the Hauge Conventions of 1899 and 1907 – documents made obsolete long ago by both conduct and technology. Observe the conduct of almost every RL war since 1945 and ask yourself if those treaties (or, for that matter, almost any of the Geneva Conventions) remain relevant.
But what we have is is a group of game players trying to establish rules for playing a game. In which case we need to decide in exactly what category of SL combat these “warfighting groups” belong in.
We have the free-form combat in Rausch and elsewhere which is often more about technology than tactics. In many ways Rausch is a community labratory for griefing and to an extent griefer defense, as well as for exploring the physical tolerances of the grid. It, along with the mainly self-policed sale of free-form combat scripts in SL are also a reflection of the de facto culture of self-help (the legal term) LL has fostered toward griefing.
Then we have DCS and similar schemes used by Toxia, the various Star Wars RP groups, and others. This is a legitimate combat game scheme which has low impact on the grid and a system of rules everyone accepts going in.
And then we have the AN and the various aspirant groups which the Herald seems to be obsessed with covering. As far as trying to create a legitimate combat game scheme these tinhorn groups have failed, and will fail again. They stand around and beat their collective chests about wanting to make combat safe and then they turn around and accuse each other of breaking these self-styled rules, which tends to indicate that someone is indeed doing so. In fact from what I’ve seen these groups do very little actual warfighting and a lot of self-important posturing and griefing. They are much more like college fraternities than model armies. And much like college Greeks, there is an unctuous air of false elitism which permeates their ranks, which is exemplified by the most obnoxious of these, the AN with their constant name-dropping of “oldbies” who supposedly support their efforts.
While the Merczateers have done the right thing by getting their own sim in order to play out their war games, many of these groups, the AN most notably, maintain land on the mainland and thus present problems for their neighbors and innocent avatars who pass though, and of course for the foolish who seems to be lured there by the constant coverage of these groups. This is essentailly griefing. Moreover, a few of these fools have come into these lands and cleaned their owners’ clocks, with weapons considered “illegal”, which then forces the owners to use their most powerful weapons – their land tools.
Proteus Hand
Apr 16th, 2007
Yes, I authorized it. I was on a trip to Tampa during the meeting.
Jeremy Duport
Apr 16th, 2007
One thing that most people have failed to see about this whole situation is that we actually and quite simply for the most part couldn’t care less O_o. The Alliance was formed in order to combat griefers in the sandboxes. When we moved away from the area, we mainly kept to ourselves but still held to our ideals – We may have started the SL military scene, as it were, but we’re still a reactive-only group. We only counter-attack other groups when they attack US, but so many people think of us as “lolol end boss of internets” these days that we MUST be the bad guys and the instigators… right?
Because of course, running into our sim with a gun and shooting wildly at our people as we play with go-karts and make fun things for our personnel to play with could HARDLY be an act of war… right?
And who could forget those times when we absolutely failed to harass people whatsoever (not counting our recruits or cadets, who have a pretty high rate of being-kicked-out-for-stupidity) in all of those public events we attend, and in some cases create. We’re really EVIL! Wow!
A lot of people, especially those interested in signing the above treaty, are simply going to end up like all the OTHER roleplay combat systems on the grid. Remember Crimson Falls and the way Midian City is going? That’ll be fun to watch… But the Alliance doesn’t change. Our mission has been the same since our FOUNDING, which I’m proud to have been a part of; Defending Second Life and its citizens, in our limited capacity, from griefers.
Even today, imagine what would happen if all of the “military” groups weren’t concentrating on trying to kill US? They’re full of “retired” griefers. I’m sure the grid would love to see them all turn away from us as one and look out at the comparatively fresh, untouched soils of the grid. Imagine tomorrow. It could be a Merczateer star or one of Tristan Mineff’s sim-sized megaprim german flags on YOUR house, and not the AN’s headquarters.
Think about it ^_^
Ethan Schuman
Apr 16th, 2007
Interesting series of comments to this article. Prokofy actually gave me a good laugh.
As for why the Alliance Navy wasn’t invited, it’s because they simply were not wanted there. While the Alliance Navy may try to play this off as something based solely upon on my personal dislike for their leadership, or the war the Merczateers have been fighting with them, the members of the ANSUCKS/MOSCOW founding council are all unified under one common belief: The Alliance Navy is no longer a fun group to deal with. Yes, as Bruno Ziskey of Sparta mentioned, Corsair and Sparta did not agree with not including AN in the talks. This was considered, so an offer was extended to the Alliance Navy to apply for the council at the beginning of the next convention, so that if approved, they would be a founding party. They flatly rejected this, feeling they are entitled to sit in with other groups with would frankly rather let them sit in their sim and rot. If a fair offering is not sufficient for the Alliance Navy, then they are not ready to take this sort of step yet.
To address the point John Endwahl alludes to, the creation of MOSCOW is actually far from a joke. Yes, its original name was a comical acronym designed to draw attention, but the purpose of the agreement is indeed serious. I think military groups as a whole are tired of the “wannabe griefer” image that is thrown at all of us. The Merczateers got rid of our mainland base, and spend out a significant amount of money every month to make sure we stay out of everyone else’s way. It’s our land, we pay for it, and we keep to Terms of Service there. MOSCOW is intended to get people who once would rather maim and kill each other, to unify together under the common goal of showing respect for one another on and off the battlefield, making sure that the way we choose to enjoy our Second Lives does not disturb our neighbors, and just having fun. We’re coming to a new age in Second Life warfare, one in which griefing, drama, and strife are considered things of the past, and hopefully we can have our fun without disrupting anyone else’s.
(Also, Bruno: Proteus knew of this meeting, and is quite approving of this agreement, though the final decision and approval to implement came from the Marshals themselves.)
Rob Shark
Apr 16th, 2007
“As for why the Alliance Navy wasn’t invited, it’s because they simply were not wanted there”. Funny if Corsair and Sparta wern’t happy with the AN not being present then they obviously were wanted.
I thought the idea of this treaty was for the betterment of the combat groups community, if you exclude the largest group in that community then the whole thing is bias, if your as fair as you say you are then they should have been included.
and calling it ANSUCKS just reeks of petty hate towards them
-Rob Shark
Ethan Schuman
Apr 16th, 2007
Well Rob, allow me to repeat myself: “it’s because they simply were not wanted there”. Yes, Corsair and Sparta had a disagreement with AN not being allowed to attend. Corsair and Sparta, however, are two votes yes, with over a dozen more (through either direct input or correspondence) saying no. That’s not enough to pass an issue. Even still after that, your admiralty was invited, and still is invited, to request a copy of the rough draft of proposals discussed last week, that will be again discussed this week (all groups will be given at least two days to prepare). Even considering how much the AN disliked by the members of MOSCOW, you may still send delegates to apply for a seat in the senate, with which your application will be considered fairly. Should the members of MOSCOW choose to accept you into our ranks, your delegation will have just as much (no more, no less) power than anyone else. Those are the rules, as I cannot arbitrailly allow you into our ranks without consulting all parties whom such a decision would affect. If AN is as serious about reforming themselves and re-shaping their image and attitude as they claim to be, then they’ll have a team of representatives ready to present their case at the next MOSCOW convention, which is tentatively scheduled for this Friday.
Judge Hocho
Apr 16th, 2007
Despite my better judgment, and my assurances to myself and others to the contrary I am compelled to respond — but only once.
Permit me to preface this with the following disclaimer:
The opinions contained herein are my own, and do not represent the AN in any way, shape or form.
I will attempt to remain (where consistent) to the facts at hand.
I will make every effort to be brief.
I have included, at the end of my missive a full copy of the SLSALT for reference.
To address the accusation of primsitting, I simply say this; we do not do this. You can argue to the contrary, however I have numerous pictures taken in-world of Marcz who have left their sat-upon prims within the confines of our base. I have yet to see a single picture representing an AN prim within the Mercz ‘Kremlin’ — before we purchased it, that is.
We do not AV fly, unlike many of your compatriots. Yes, we do have grav packs. As such they are ‘vehicles’ which are worn in stead of sat upon. They are limiting in the extreme, and require a lot of training to master any sort of motion control without being a floating target. I was afforded the same pack to wear and admit that *I* have yet to master it, and as such rarely use it. Perhaps one of my Marine cohorts would do me the honor of sending me through MD cadet training to figure out the dynamics of it. Either way, folks who use grav packs are opening themselves up to fire; if you are unable to hit them with the spray of rounds that stem forth from your ‘weapons’, it sounds more like a training issue on your part.
Spawnkilling. As posted in our telehub, there is a subset of factors which could cause the effect of spawnkilling, or at least the perception of such. If we take your base, and hold it by denying your troops the opportunity to respawn 3m from our position — that’s just good tactics. Recently I started up SL and ended up in my spawn point in the Woofer; there was a Mercz waiting for me apparently who denied me the right to respawn. Did I whine about it to Mercz or anyone else that cared to listen? No. This person had every right to be there and accomplish it, and the fault of it happening fell to MY folks who did nothing to deny him that right.
Homing missles. Yep. I defy you to point to any verbiage in SLSALT which speaks to this. Go ahead, it’s just below.
We have limited the rate of fire (something clearly foreign to most spam shooters).
As for SLSALT being ‘outdated’, why has no one attempted to revise it? It clearly remarks that all member organizations should take an active role in the evolution of said document.
You crafted MOSCOW/ANSUCKS for one purpose; the intent to exclude and otherwise remove the AN from the litany of folks who cause you pain and suffering due in large part to your own gross errors in judgment. There’s really no point in denying it, your own folks have said as much.
As for my stance on it, it’s simple. Please, go forth and play in your toybox. I am perfectly contented with the idea of you falling into obscurity like those that came before you. If it means I will not have to see the Mercz or any other military that finds the idea palatable in my sim again, and that failing that any member of your organization that does so will be instantaneously excluded from your ranks … I welcome it. To that end, I beg you to carry ANSUCKS/MOSCOW/WE_HATE_THE_AN_SOOO_BAD/ or whatever the flavor du jour is of this remarkable prose. Please. We’ll have much more time to concentrate on more important endeavors.
To those with the common sense not to sign it, well done — scotch and cigars are available upon request.
One last thing. To those dead-set against military functions within SL:
Some folks who take part in such activities do so for fun. Some for education. Some for a desire to envelop themselves in that sort of environment in an effort to understand the roles and functions of a particular style of leadership. Still others use this as a training tool for members to move into a more security-related enterprise. Sadly others simply want to impose grief on the citizenry as a form of amusement and those often find strength in numbers. Regardless of the rationale, they exist and they will always exist. Decrying the very presence of such is foolish; the concept of utopia is as different as those that experience it. The intent, as I see it, of SLSALT was to ensure that member organizations did not find the need to establish or proliferate the growth of the ‘griefer tool market’. Many of these tools destabilize portions of the grid, and others are merely weak. To allow their function within recognized military groups would have created yet another market-growth area and frankly as we all know, the griefers do not require our help. If perchance, someone looking for amusement found instead a group of individuals who did not permit their use and decided that they enjoyed the camaraderie the group enjoyed that might be one less griefer on the grid. If every undersigned military organization accomplished that goal even once in their existence, I commend them. That in and of itself is more than enough reason to carry on the tradition.
//signed//
Judge Hocho, Lt. Col., ANAD Wing Commander
SLSALT: Current as of 3/13/2007
SECOND LIFE STRATEGIC ARMS LIMITATION TREATY
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Second Life Strategic Arms Limitation Treaty, henceforth referred to as “SLSALT”, is designed to establish a set of rules and agreements to be followed for acts of aggression between the established combat units of Second Life.
The signatories, henceforth referred to as “Members”, of this document, being official Representatives of their respective organizations, agree that the organizations will abide by the framework established within SLSALT.
Failure to abide by the rules established within SLSALT may result in aggressive actions from other Members, sanctions against them, denial of access to other organization’s territory, or other punishments as the Members see fit.
Members are to be made aware that this is NOT a peace treaty. SLSALT serves only as a groundwork for the methods and operations of technological use.
The following are the rules and agreements by which Members shall be held accountable and responsible for complying with.
PROHIBITS the use of personal interception shielding.
PROHIBITS the use of personal 360 degree object shielding, which surrounds it’s user in a large solid object to prevent damage.
PROHIBITS the use of armaments designed to destabilize the region of in which they are targeted, causing the region to cease functioning.
PROHIBITS the use of Weapons of Mass Destruction. WMDs shall be defined as “Any devastating or destructive device which has an effective lethal radius of greater than 32 meters from it’s central point of impact, excepting an allowance made below.”
PROHIBITS the use of Push weapons. Push weapons shall be defined as “Any weapon which primarily is designed to apply a force designed to send the target avatar out of the region.”
PROHIBITS the use of Orbiting weapons. Orbiting weapons shall be defined as “Any weapon which primarily is designed to send the target avatar more than 1,000 meters into the air, excepting an allowance made below.”
PROHIBITS the act of flying without a proper vehicle during combat.
PROHIBITS the use of weapons designed to isolate an avatar within a small enclosure, such as a cage.
PROHIBITS the act of firing weaponry from No-Damage Territory, henceforth referred to as “Safe Territory”, into Damage Territory.
PROHIBITS the act of firing weaponry from Damage Territory into Safe Territory.
PROHIBITS the act of firing from Safe Territory to Safe Territory, excepting an allowance made below.
ALLOWS the limited deployment of sensor-based orbiters in the instance of persistant grief attacks carried out in such a manner that no other means of defense presents itself to forces on-scene, with the understanding that supposed griefers belonging to groups which are SLSALT-compliant should first be reported for their conduct.
ALLOWS the limited deployment of weapons which would be otherwise considered WMDs from equally limited-deployable resources with which to distribute them, including but not limited to capital ships or hardened, prepared missile silos, while recognizing that such systems would require a clear and logical need for posessing such firepower.
ALLOWS the act of combat training on Safe Territory using weaponry that does not violate any of the aforementioned terms. Combat Training will be defined as “The act of firing weapons at personnel from one’s own organization, in a controlled environment and possibly, but not to the exclusion of, using a system to track damage or other data.”
ALLOWS the Members to seek 3rd party arbitration to assist in the resolution of any issues that may arise between the Members of this Treaty. 3rd party arbitration will need to be agreed upon by the members in conflict with one another. Other Member organizations may act as arbitration if the conflicting parties agree.
ALLOWS the Member organizations to create new weapons and technology that does not violate any aforementioned terms.
ALLOWS for Combat Training to take place between 2 or more willing Member organizations.
ALLOWS for the creation of units made up of multiple organizations, at the discretion of the Member organizations.
ALLOWS for the declaration of war between Member organizations, providing the terms of this Treaty are observed.
ALLOWS for the declaration of war upon non-Member organizations, providing the terms of this Treaty are observed.
ALLOWS for the Members to offer assistance against those organizations which have not become Members of this Treaty.
ALLOWS for the editing of this Treaty, with the unanimous agreement of all Member organization duly appointed representatives.
SUGGESTS that Member organizations enforce violations of this Treaty within their own organizations with utmost speed and decisiveness.
SUGGESTS that Member organizations maintain a regular form of communication.
MEMBER SIGNATURES
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Format:
NAME:
ORGANIZATION:
POSITION WITHIN ORGANIZATION:
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NAME: Jim Herbst
ORG: Alliance Navy
POS: A-4 (Chief Fleet Commander)
NAME: Lurdan Huszar
ORG: United Tactical Forces
POS: U.T.F. General (1st in Command)
NAME: Proteus Hand
ORG: Sky Raiders
POS: Sky Captain (1st Fleet Cmdr)
NAME: Aryte Vesperia
ORG: Novus Ordo Imperialis
POS: Princep (Commander)
NAME: Nayaioh Commodore
ORG: Corsair
POS: Fortuna (Commander in Chief.)
NAME: Tristan Mineff
ORG: Republic of Germany
POS: Fuhrer der Deutschen
NAME: Semmi Seraph
ORG: Sturm-Korps
POS: Genfeldmarschall (Commander)
NAME: Belzin Epin
ORG: Corneria Colation
POS: CC Supreme Commander
NAME: Hamner Brooks
ORG:Phoenix Army
POS:Commander and owner
Proteus Hand
Apr 16th, 2007
“But the Alliance doesn’t change. Our mission has been the same since our FOUNDING”
This, Jeremy, is exactly why we are doing this. The Alliance Navy was founded long ago to protect the sandboxes from griefers.
Everyday citizens of SL now are easily equipped with not only standard client features, such as abuse reports, but freebie objects such as sky boxes, to prevent nuisances, shields, to prevent freebie weapons, among many other self-defense devices implored for the self-situated safety of our newer members.
The Alliance Navy believes that they are still needed. They still fight “griefer” which are actually victims of their grandiose “canned-goods” crusades, (and yes, that is a direct reference to Hitler).
SLSALT was poorly concieved, yet the Merczateers among other groups were not well established, nor organized enough to supply anything better.
Consider it a failed prototype, that the AN is, of course, taking advantage of. They allow phantom bullets, yet the Merczateers, among many others, prohibit it within their ranks because the bullets function much like auto killers. (all you need is wireframe and a phantom bullet, and you can hold an entire sim for hours.)
The same go for homing missles. It’s point, click, dead avatar.
It takes very little skill to be ANYTHING in the Alliance Navy, save for an engineer, for you are handed all the technology you need to take on any respectable member of any military group.
The Alliance Navy gravpacks are, in fact, VERY easy to use, I know because I have one. In fact, the gravpacks are SO easy to use, Av flight is almost unnecessary. Av flight can only take an avatar so high, yet a gravpack launches avatars based on a preset gravity, activated by jumping, rather than flying.
Combine this moon-jump with phantom bullets, and you have something that takes hours to kill.
Note that during Operation Crucifix, Alliance Navy Marine 2IC Luca Vasilopita spacebar jumped around Badnarik with a heavy tripod intended machine gun, firing phantom bullets.
However, this is allowed by SLSALT.
What about the standard issue Alliance Navy wrist shotguns?
These don’t work ANYTHING like real life shotguns. In fact, it takes hardly any skill at all with these to kill ANYTHING. The bullets rez killspheres around anything that is near them, not to mention that they don’t disappear after a preset short range. They have infinite range, fire a fuckton of bullets at once, and have incredibly unrealistic ammo capacity for a shotgun mounted INSIDE a wrist bracer.
Now, allow me to completely debunk the bit of bullshit that has been coughed up in a post situated somewhere above mine.
“To address the accusation of primsitting, I simply say this; we do not do this. You can argue to the contrary, however I have numerous pictures taken in-world of Marcz who have left their sat-upon prims within the confines of our base. I have yet to see a single picture representing an AN prim within the Mercz ‘Kremlin’ — before we purchased it, that is.”
Clearly you haven’t seen the screenshots by Dynamic Drinkwater.
There were Alliance Navy owned cubes littering the underground tunnels that led directly to the Kremlin. Personally, I have no qualms against prim sitting, as long as it is used in a realistic and rational manner.
For example, to escape religiously executed spawn camping.
In fact, I very well remember during an attack on the woofer, I complained about your poorly disciplined cadets camping the spawn area. You responded with “The cadets are issued the MILES , it’s your fault for getting killed.”
However, I’m sure that the next response to these comments would more than likely touch on the subject that prim-sitting
is not prohibited by SLSALT. In which case, SLSALT is flawed.
Following this does not exempt your military from griefer status, as seen with the AN in our battles with them, however, there hasn’t been anyone before us with the manpower combined with the motive to point this out. Sure, the Ordo could have done it, but they couldn’t care less, so we, combined with many disgruntled and under appreciated militaries are drawing the line, either the AN fix themselves, or they cease to exist.
To sum it all up, SLSALT is vague, poorly written, and provides loopholes to work just as effectively if you had been av-flying and using auto killers.
Judge, I’m also quite sure that almost everyone in existence (save for your buddies in the Templar, and MAYBE a few members of the AN outside of the Templar) are sick of these hollow lies being spewed out of anything with your name on it. If you took the time to look into our weapons, you would understand that our so-called “spam weapons” were replaced by a much more efficient and realistic version of the Ak-47, which fires a 40 round clip. Our bullets are half as “spammy” as ANYTHING you issue to your troops, and present one hundredth of the server lag.
The Alliance Navy, ladies and gentlemen, have set up a vague set of rules called the SLSALT, and taken advantage of EVERY loophole it has to offer, and then complain when others follow suit. Next to that, The Alliance Navy often turns a blind eye during the little skirmishes when they (particularly Avil) manage to blow my mind with griefer tactics. (I say this because I believe that just because you signed SLSALT, doesn’t mean you aren’t a griefer.) Notice the fifty barricades rezzed at strategic points in Badnarik, how about putting several prims in front of Gen. Deemster’s office, and then giving the fleet a green-light to sporadically nuke it, blackscreening everyone within reach of the bombing.
If that doesn’t seem like it’s enough, they even go as far as breaking their own SLSALT with their infamous S.T.R.A.N.G.E.L.O.V.E nuke, which is often seen rezzed by one person (once again, usually Avil) in Salamis, sat on, and GUIDED into Badnarik as if it were a poorly constructed airplane. At this point, the pilot of the bomb is usually seen riding the bomb down the street, shouting either “HAI GAIZ!” or various taunts at guards, until he is killed, causing the bomb to activate, and demolish half the sim.
I’m surprised, honestly, that this hasn’t been done sooner.
The Alliance Navy has brillianly made themselves a service to the grid by protecting sandboxes, creating a name for themselves, and then griefing the living hell out of any other military group that threatens them.
You’ve grown stale, and no amount of well-worded bullshit can pursuade anyone anymore, and once this is all said and done, you’re all welcome to put on your best clothes and join any of the groups at the ANSUCKS/MOSCOW convention.
- Merczateer General Proteus Hand
Proteus Hand
Apr 16th, 2007
Also, Jeremy, what possessed you to think that the Merczateers would turn on innocent members of the public, and plant flags and emblems on their houses?
This is the kind of AN bullshit I’m talking about.
Honestly… when you speak, any of you, you drown yourselves in a pool of your own hypocrisies.
Phantom
Apr 16th, 2007
to proteus
no amount of word slinging will bring the AN down so simply, but members of your combat group has done much much worse on hurting your own plans and attempt to becoming the dominate combat group of the grid with there own words.
some of the older AN members still have it stuck that it’s a group set against griefers, while all they do is build more and more advance ways to destroy there enemies more effectively. the AN doesn’t have a cause asides self preservation. while what the mercz seem to have as there goals to becoming the most powerful combat group, but since normal tactics of SL do not work effectively against the AN, you seek to exclude them from treaties, from trying to switch to a in game combat system.
and I find it funny that you insult a treaty that the combat group your in now help start.
sure the SLSALT needs to be updated, but it’s a lot easier to start from a already existing treaty then starting a new one unless the goal of the treaty is to exclude a targeted founder of the treaty.
but if you want to play with a combat system that isn’t LL’s go right ahead, but unless it’s updated, cheap and effective, it won’t last very long. and I believe most combat groups already agreed against such a change.
no matter how you put it, both the mercz and the AN are being childish in this. Grow up both of you, it’s a game, have fun. If your idea of having fun is shooting at each other, good, kill each other as much as you want. but stop being babies over some split milk, the Mercz as is can’t stand up against the fists of the AN, but the AN takes the hateful words and actions of the mercz to the heart too much, and some times reach too aggressive over some minor thing members of there own combat group has committed.
Avil Creeggan
Apr 16th, 2007
An assortment of random points for your perusal.
First of all, the wrist shotgun was scripted by Ishida Dye, currently holder of the rank Captian within the Merczateers. It fires four bullets at one time which die on collision. It does not rez any killspheres within any sort of proximity of the bullets or the person firing them.
Second of all, the wide use of the Titan Industries AF109 rocket launcher by members of the Merczateers, including Melly Deemster and, if memory recalls, Proteus Hand as well. It’s capable of firing both dumbfire and tracking rockets.
Third of all, the use of Bean Emoto’s recon drone and Proteus Hand’s “backpack helicopter”, both of which are capable of full ASDF control midflight, including ascension, decension, and quick to instant turning. Compare to the gravity pack, which maintains the direction jumped in until landing and which, in a continuation of this hypocrisy, is in use by a number of Merczateers.
Fourth of all, the S.T.R.A.N.G.E.L.O.V.E. does not “wipe out half a sim”. It’s explosive radius is an exact 32 meters, and as you mentioned, it requires being shot by a hostile. It was developed as a direct response to the “religiously executed” teleport point camping of the Merczateers in both Badnarik and Salamis, which everyone up to and including Lurdan Huszar is known to engage in.
Fifth of all, Alliance Navy weapons come in clips of 8, 12, 24, 30, and 40 round magazines. Your primary weapon comes in a minimum clip size of 40.
Sixth of all, note the entire reason of placing prims in front of the door to Melly Deemsters office was to PREVENT stray fire from entering the office and engaging in spawn camping while also ensuring that Miss Deemster could not use her spawn point as a cushion from which to engage in nigh invulnerable firing outwards at our forces currently in the Kremlin. When the prims were returned, she was shot repeatedly, and the prims replaced. As these prims existed in the area, Alliance Navy personnel stood not even a room away engaged in a firefight with Merczateers personnel.
Seventh of all, although I know you are quite fond of drawing references from World War II, you’ll find a complete dearth of evidence to post showing the rampant vandalism you accuse the Alliance Navy of committing on the private property of the “innocent members of the public.”
Last and most certainly not least, although I’m aware you’d like your “well-worded bullshit” to persuade the average reader of the Second Life Herald, you forget that of the 10 groups total initially invited to proceed in talks for MOSCOW/ANSUCKS, three have withdrawn or are going to within the immediate future, one has almost all of its members also within the Merczateers as it is, two have extensive connections to the Merczateers, and one has strong connections to both the Merczateers and Titan Industries. The last groups remaining is the Grand Federation, who has expressed interest in revisions to SLSALT and has expressed opposition to the ideas expressed by the Merczateers initial draft of MOSCOW, Imperia, who has stated reservations against signing any sort of treaty or agreement, and the Merczateers themselves. Not to mention the fact that the Merczateers themselves aren’t even being straight about if any other groups aside from these situations we already know of have decided to leave the proceedings:
===
Harlequin Salome: Name the groups, please?
Harlequin Salome: That “support” you?
Nanao Mahfouz: Better yet, anyone can rattle off names.
Nanao Mahfouz: Let’s bring them here?
Ethan Schuman: Perhaps a better proposal would be for you all to find out who supports us, and try to “woo” them over as its.
Nanao Mahfouz: It’s funny how that works.
Harlequin Salome: Thats what we call bluffing.
Harlequin Salome: I call. Bring them. *smiles*
Ethan Schuman: Call my bluff.
Ethan Schuman: I’m all in.
Harlequin Salome: TP them.
Harlequin Salome: Please. I insist.
Ethan Schuman: Nope. Go find them on your own.
===
I’d hope you aren’t going to argue that this constitutes an overwhelming majority of the military groups in Second Life, considering that all three of the previous groups, plus three additional groups, plus all remaining active signatories of SLSALT are being invited to a revision process. You’ll find that this outnumbers the assured signatories to MOSCOW by a good amount, particulary if any of them take offense to such quotes at the following:
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Ethan Schuman: ANSUCKS wasn’t just about equalizing combat in SL and making it fun again.
Nanao Mahfouz: So this treaty, supposedly to promote fair combat and fun gaming, was in fact just a plot by the Mercz to destroy the AN?
Ethan Schuman: It was about forcing you all to open your eyes and see just how much you are in fact HATED by this community.
Nayaioh Commodore: It is.
Nayaioh Commodore: Denying them just to say “WE don’t like you?”
Nayaioh Commodore: Why not paste a cardboard sign on the mercz base saying “no girlz aloud”
You: So. Mister Schuman. You, representing the Merczateers, consider it an acceptable waste of all of our time the last two days to convene a treaty agreement designed to better Second Life combat while, in reality, are merely attempting to use a chorus of unrelated groups, what is something resembling a peanut gallery in our personal issues,
You: to attempt to manipulate us to the Merczateers own gain?
Nayaioh Commodore: Or revenge.
Nanao Mahfouz: And while you’re at it? Line the pockets of an arms group you happen to be best friends with.
You: Are you honestly willing to turn the cause of better and fairer combat into a vehicle into helping accomplish an ends to your petty vendetta?
Harlequin Salome: And you accuse us of manipulating other groups.
Nayaioh Commodore: When everyone in this room agrees embettering SL combat is for the better?
Ethan Schuman: Actually, Avil, I was asked months ago, “How can we attack the AN?” That’s when I put in numerous strategems, while preparing for a mental offensive against the Alliance Navy
Ethan Schuman: I had my orders. “Make them end.” So, the planning began.
Nanao Mahfouz: So you used everyone here.
Ethan Schuman: Let’s take a look around.
Nanao Mahfouz: You used everyone here to further your own personal vendetta.
Nanao Mahfouz: I am looking around, Mister Schuman, and I’m not seeing anyone behind you.
You: Let’s take a look around? Let’s take a look around, Ethan Schuman?
You: Every group who was here at all today, every group who was present last night, the SL Times, and the SL Herald, plus a good deal of other parties who I’m sure are quite interested in MOSCOW?
You: That’s who is here, in this room, Mister Schuman.
Harlequin Salome: Personal attacks are what is ruining our combat scene, more than any shield or WMD ever could.
Nanao Mahfouz: This is not how you promote fair and fun combat in SL, Ethan, and you have lied to everyone here.
===
Avil Creeggan
Alliance Navy Fleet Division, WO-1
Avil Creeggan
Apr 16th, 2007
Oh, and a bonus, a quote which speaks measures on it’s own merits:
You: This.
You: THIS IS INSANE.
Nanao Mahfouz: This is madness.
You: INSANITY is when we spend time with PSYCHOLOGICAL WARFARE and THROWING WORDS AT EACH OTHER IN A SAFELAND BOX.
You: How’s that for insanity.
Anthony Lehane: You’re the one’s that wanted it
Anthony Lehane: You can leave any time
You: You’re missing the entire fucking point here.
You: I swore to god there was a time when there was a difference between combat groups in Second Life, they SHOT EACH OTHER.
You: WITH GUNS.
Nanao Mahfouz: If you can’t win with guns, win with lies?
Nacon
Apr 16th, 2007
oh for fuck stakes… go play battlefield or something, Jesus.
If fighting against griefer is a must… go apply to be a linden job.
(more likely that you would failed to get that job due to fact that your IQ has scored far less enough in SL)
Avil Creeggan
Apr 16th, 2007
Playing Battlefield 2 right now, actually.
Ethan Schuman
Apr 16th, 2007
To Phantom:
The Merczateers are not initiating this to “dominate” the SL combat community. Rather, we’re seeking to set down rules for behavior on and off the battlefield. Since Linden Lab has given us only raw damage to work with, it’s up to us to decide what we want to do with it. So far, not having a standard has been fine. As technology increased, the AN’s SLSALT was put in place to deal with the evolving face of combat. Once again we have arrived at a time in which the use of tactics by certain factions both in and out of battle has illustrated a need for further definitions of what should and should not be considered acceptable. While SLSALT may have a general overview of what needs to be done, especially considering the resistance we received whenever we asked the Alliance Navy to adjust their battle tactics, and ESPECIALLY considering the general opinion of the Alliance Navy, attempting to adapt SLSALT would be like trying to fix a broken limb with a band-aid.
Phantom brings up an EXCELLENT point. “if you want to play with a combat system that isn’t LL’s go right ahead, but unless it’s updated, cheap and effective, it won’t last very long.” This is exactly what we aim to prevent. Mercz are merely organizing, not leading. ANY military, police, or other paramilitary is invited to come and provide input on the evolution of our combat standards (yes, even the Alliance Navy is welcome to apply, if they can be mature about it). You may think we’re being childish, but we’re just trying to make the Grid a better place for a group of citizens.
Architect Jarrico
Apr 16th, 2007
Thank you Phantom for your input; it seems to be exceedingly needed around here, although I may be ignoring your point in my following argument.
Now, I don’t believe that the mercz are as bad as we in the AN make them out to be as a whole, rather, their high command seem to be, in my eyes, almost crazed with an AN bloodlust. Why is that? I have met personally many ‘grunts’ of the Mercz, and find them sociable and friendly toward many members of the Alliance Navy, which is what I find the AN to desire in the Mercz. However, what composes the higher-ups in the Mercz seems to be corrupt. I had just lately been informed of a replacement demotion, involving a highly respectable Officer who was not only competent and loyal to the Mercz, but was demoted because he was upholding the protocols and rules of the Mercz on one who was much lower in rank, but seemingly much more popular. This much more popular fellow, who seemed to be incompetant and ignored the rules and regulations of the Mercz, was promoted to the officer position the more competent member held. Why?
This corruption, is one of the many issues the AN has with the Mercz, just to scratch at a sore wound.
The AN also has issues with many other combat groups in SL, but, being that we had once held very good relations with the mercz compared to other groups, so, naturally, we held them to a much higher regard, close to those which we hold true in the Alliance Navy. Once relations turned bitter, we in the AN felt as if we had been backstabbed in some way, as with the trust we had extended to the Mercz so bountifully was spat back in our faces.
I will be the first to say that our cadets have been, as of late, rather unruly, and have tried to apprehend those that violate the rules of the Alliance Navy, such as spawnkilling, and using non-AN weapons that would fire fully automatic, something that seems to be becoming a rarity in the AN.
While we do have our faults, they are being reworked in the hopes that they will cease to exist, which is something we do not see in the Mercz at our great displeasure.
Architect Jarrico
Apr 16th, 2007
Thank you Phantom for your input; it seems to be exceedingly needed around here, although I may be ignoring your point in my following argument.
Now, I don’t believe that the mercz are as bad as we in the AN make them out to be as a whole, rather, their high command seem to be, in my eyes, almost crazed with an AN bloodlust. Why is that? I have met personally many ‘grunts’ of the Mercz, and find them sociable and friendly toward many members of the Alliance Navy, which is what I find the AN to desire in the Mercz. However, what composes the higher-ups in the Mercz seems to be corrupt. I had just lately been informed of a replacement demotion, involving a highly respectable Officer who was not only competent and loyal to the Mercz, but was demoted because he was upholding the protocols and rules of the Mercz on one who was much lower in rank, but seemingly much more popular. This much more popular fellow, who seemed to be incompetant and ignored the rules and regulations of the Mercz, was promoted to the officer position the more competent member held. Why?
This corruption, is one of the many issues the AN has with the Mercz, just to scratch at a sore wound.
The AN also has issues with many other combat groups in SL, but, being that we had once held very good relations with the mercz compared to other groups, so, naturally, we held them to a much higher regard, close to those which we hold true in the Alliance Navy. Once relations turned bitter, we in the AN felt as if we had been backstabbed in some way, as with the trust we had extended to the Mercz so bountifully was spat back in our faces.
I will be the first to say that our cadets have been, as of late, rather unruly, and have tried to apprehend those that violate the rules of the Alliance Navy, such as spawnkilling, and using non-AN weapons that would fire fully automatic, something that seems to be becoming a rarity in the AN.
While we do have our faults, they are being reworked in the hopes that they will cease to exist, which is something we do not see in the Mercz at our great displeasure.
Warrant Officer-1 Architect Jarrico, Senior Drill Instructor, Jury Advocate General Advisor.
Avil Creeggan
Apr 16th, 2007
One might successfully argue that attempting to web together an attempt at progression of a positive attitude related to a specific cause and an attempt at executing a vendetta against a person or group related to that specific cause, is, in fact, “being childish”.
One might also consider the attempts at misinformation towards individual groups as well as towards the general public to disguise these attempts at interconnection is, in fact, “being childish”.
One might consider that continuing both of the aforementioned after a series of exposures, admittances, confessions, revelations, epiphanies, and other assorted synonyms for discovery with such a non-challant and uncaring attitude as is being displayed is, in fact, “being moronic”.
Mattias Hassanov
Apr 16th, 2007
“I have vague memories of something similar in Calvin and Hobbes. G.R.O.S.S. or Get Rid Of Slimy girlS. I would like to think that this meeting revolves around a level of maturity surpassing Calvin of that delightful comic.”
This piece was NOT the authors own comment It was stolen from Kado Mauriac not
Kado Maurica
If your going to write a story heres a few pointers to remember:
1) Don’t steal others quotes for yourself
2) Learn how to spell people names right
Super Buick
Apr 16th, 2007
Aliiance Navy will lose, thier fate was sealed when Profoky Neva said it sided with them.
harlequin salome
Apr 17th, 2007
Allow me to say one simple thing.
I’ve met merczateers rank and file. They all seem pretty nice. *shrugs*
Its their leaders that are kinda nuts.
Thats all I have to say.
Hazim Gazov
Apr 17th, 2007
tl;dr
Ethan Schuman
Apr 17th, 2007
One could say the exact same thing about the Alliance Navy, Harlequin. The difference is that far more people agree with me than you.
Proteus Hand
Apr 17th, 2007
“and I find it funny that you insult a treaty that the combat group your in now help start.”
-Like I said, no one had any better suggestions at the time. SLSALT is a failed prototype, and if your group has been taking positive credit all this time for it, It would be wise to take responsibility for the negative feedback as well.
“Third of all, the use of Bean Emoto’s recon drone and Proteus Hand’s “backpack helicopter”, both of which are capable of full ASDF control midflight, including ascension, decension, and quick to instant turning. Compare to the gravity pack, which maintains the direction jumped in until landing and which, in a continuation of this hypocrisy, is in use by a number of Merczateers.”
-Bean Emoto’s drone has not been issued yet, and the backpack helicopter uses old gravpack scripts.
“Sixth of all, note the entire reason of placing prims in front of the door to Melly Deemsters office was to PREVENT stray fire from entering the office and engaging in spawn camping while also ensuring that Miss Deemster could not use her spawn point as a cushion from which to engage in nigh invulnerable firing outwards at our forces currently in the Kremlin. When the prims were returned, she was shot repeatedly, and the prims replaced. As these prims existed in the area, Alliance Navy personnel stood not even a room away engaged in a firefight with Merczateers personnel.”
-My point exactly, you blackscreened her, and crashed her twice.
Bruno Ziskey
Apr 17th, 2007
Wrong Ethan. Those of us who think clearly outnumber those who can’t because we’re just smarter. Join Sparta, cuz we think a lot!
Phantom
Apr 17th, 2007
I think what Proteus doesn’t know is the scripts he’s thinking of and the gav packs the AN use are two different things, yes they work on the basics but the AN gav pack doesn’t change the power by using the controls but by inputing commands into it from chat.
but proteus you mistake me for some one in the AN in your last post.
also stop being such a dick Ethan, if more people agreed with you on wanting the AN dead it would be over by now. unless the mercz are that incompetent for it’s allies and it’s own forces to lay siege against the AN bases for as long as good Friday attack on the mercz by the AN.
so infact your only talking the talk, but yet to walk the walk, and I’m convinced the Mercz do not have what it takes to walk the walk, as they are falling apart more each day.
the real question is how much longer is the mercz going to last, the AN has there act together, while the mercz does not.
and avil if that little off sided insult was direct at me, it’s not that I don’t care, it’s that I’m tired of hearing it out on both sides, the AN and the mercz aren’t the center of the grid. what’s really more important, some combat groups going at it, or how LL is fucking over SL again?
Stinkweasel Surprise
Apr 17th, 2007
What a bunch of god damn losers, the whole lot of you!
Inuyasha Deere
Apr 17th, 2007
I strongly disagree with the plethora of Anti-Mercz and Anti-CN comments in all of these replies.
First off, despite that I run a little known Navy in SL, we are quite capable of putting up a fight. CN has 6-7 members, yet we have 25-30 followers, including people who are in line to be recruited,and will be once they fill out forms that were given to them. CN is Anti-Griefing. If you saw us using “Jell-Owned” in the past, it was an old campaign set up by the internally dissolved SN’s Sea Division, sending spam that would last for thirty seconds up from the Linden River. Those days are over, we keep the sims of Clyde and Jessie under our eyes at all times; a griefer rarely gets a chance to enter sims ajacent to Jessie these days because of Sea Division and Ground Forces based there.
About the Mercz. We support The Merczateers Tactical Forces entirely. And as for now, we support them to the extent that I would give them command over my sailors when I am not online. Also, once they trust us, we will offer them complete support in whatever martial action they are taking place in.
With All Due Respect,
Imperial Admiral of The Navy of Charleston Harbor,
Inuyasha Deere
Inuyasha Deere
Apr 17th, 2007
I have no literal idea as to why my name is popping up as that. For those of you who know me I can confirm it is The Imperial Admiral by stating, “Hitler will escape to Argentina” is our order to leave a sim.
Inuyasha Deere
Apr 17th, 2007
Let’s see if it actually posts my name correctly this time…….
I strongly disagree with the plethora of Anti-Mercz and Anti-CN comments in all of these replies.
First off, despite that I run a little known Navy in SL, we are quite capable of putting up a fight. CN has 6-7 members, yet we have 25-30 followers, including people who are in line to be recruited,and will be once they fill out forms that were given to them. CN is Anti-Griefing. If you saw us using “Jell-Owned” in the past, it was an old campaign set up by the internally dissolved SN’s Sea Division, sending spam that would last for thirty seconds up from the Linden River. Those days are over, we keep the sims of Clyde and Jessie under our eyes at all times; a griefer rarely gets a chance to enter sims ajacent to Jessie these days because of Sea Division and Ground Forces based there.
About the Mercz. We support The Merczateers Tactical Forces entirely. And as for now, we support them to the extent that I would give them command over my sailors when I am not online. Also, once they trust us, we will offer them complete support in whatever martial action they are taking place in.
With All Due Respect,
Imperial Admiral of The Navy of Charleston Harbor,
Inuyasha Deere
Avil Creeggan
Apr 17th, 2007
“Bean Emoto’s drone has not been issued yet, and the backpack helicopter uses old gravpack scripts.”
A number of Merczateers personnel are in possession of this drone, regardless of it’s issuance, and hypocrisy remains hypocrisy regardless of the extreme your actions are in violation of the rules you seek to condemn others with.
“My point exactly, you blackscreened her, and crashed her twice.”
Your point exactly was that placing prims which she had the ability to return in front of an office door we were unable to operate in an attempt to prevent spawncamping is an act of griefing, correct? Your point exactly is that there is no risk involved when placing your avatar in a non-designated spawn area on damage land in an area that is likely to be focused on during any possible attack, right?
When these primitives were returned, we took it as an act of readiness due to the fact she was in a state to return these primitives and that she was armed during the entire course of events. Considering that Miss Deemster was taking an active role in the defense of Badnarik, this assumption of the return being an act of readiness is proper, particulary considering the far lower standards of Merczateer personnel and policy in relation to kills in the proximity of teleport points and spawn points.
“Like I said, no one had any better suggestions at the time. SLSALT is a failed prototype, and if your group has been taking positive credit all this time for it, It would be wise to take responsibility for the negative feedback as well.”
This is not negative feedback. Negative feedback is, by definition, a constructive reaction to a perturbation. The end result is designed to restore balance to the system. This is a deliberate attempt at retribution towards the Alliance Navy in the guise of “negative feedback”. There’s a distinct difference. You see, “negative feedback” would fall somewhere within the realm of, for example, requesting amendment or revision to SLSALT. The Merczateers did not, as we have heard once again from the proverbial horse’s mouth:
===
Harlequin Salome: Actually, SLSALT was always open to discussion.
Harlequin Salome: No one ever actually brought it up.
Harlequin Salome: You can bitch about it not being dynamic, but no one ever actually tried.
Ethan Schuman: Incorrect, Harlequin. You were supposed to receive personal notification of Mercz desires to dicuss SLSALT from Meia Rives.
Ethan Schuman: *MEIA COSMOS
Harlequin Salome: And I never got it. And rather than IM me directly?
You: You talked to Meia Cosmos, a low ranking—there you go.
Ethan Schuman: You weren’t online at the time.
Harlequin Salome: Your leader should have IMed me directly. Not you to Meia.
Harlequin Salome: Offlines are wonderful.
You: Offline IM.
You: Notecards.
Nanao Mahfouz: Offline IMs are brilliant.
Harlequin Salome: Carrier pidgeon.
Harlequin Salome: Toddler with a post-it note.
You: Telepathic signal.
Ethan Schuman: You may verify with her.
===
Avil Creeggan: Alright, well, can you confirm or deny this bit of text right here?
Avil Creeggan: [text quoted above]
Meia Cosmos: “Rives”? where the hell was his head… He told me flat out that the AN were excluded though.
Meia Cosmos: or im thinking of someone else.. anyway, he made no such request for me to pass on to HC
Avil Creeggan: Nor anything that could be construed as being such a request?
Meia Cosmos: As far as memory serves no =/ if it was something important like that I would have had an admiral or other HC personel on the lineASAP
Avil Creeggan: Alright with this being official and on the record, I hope?
Meia Cosmos: Yes sir.
Avil Creeggan: Good. That’s all.
Proteus Hand
Apr 17th, 2007
“think what Proteus doesn’t know is the scripts he’s thinking of and the gav packs the AN use are two different things, yes they work on the basics but the AN gav pack doesn’t change the power by using the controls but by inputing commands into it from chat.”
I think what you don’t understand is that after incessant complaints from AN absolutely slaughtered by the use of the helicopter pack booster engine, I redid it, now using gravpack scripts provided by Dynamic Drinkwater.
“Your point exactly was that placing prims which she had the ability to return in front of an office door we were unable to operate in an attempt to prevent spawncamping is an act of griefing, correct?”
She couldn’t return it because she was busy being
blackscreened.
“When these primitives were returned, we took it as an act of readiness due to the fact she was in a state to return these primitives and that she was armed during the entire course of events.”
not entirely, as she still was unable to leave her office due to the bombs pounding her office.
“You see, “negative feedback” would fall somewhere within the realm of, for example, requesting amendment or revision to SLSALT. The Merczateers did not, as we have heard once again from the proverbial horse’s mouth:”
I have made numerous propositions in the SLSALT/JCST group on making amendments, however, none of them were considered nor voted upon.
As of now, we have decided to create a third party council that is acutally OPEN to amendments, rather than a concrete document in the guise of being open to amendments, and not run by a group that has created such document only to take advantage of the obvious loopholes it provides.
Inuyasha Deere
Apr 17th, 2007
Hello, this is Inuyasha Deere. For all of us, the SL Herald replying server must be screwed up. It is making us all look like we are commiting petty identity theft crimes.
Inuyasha Deere
Apr 17th, 2007
Wow, I wish I would have found out how to find the writer’s correct identity earlier. Look below.
Apologies,
Imperial Admiral Inuyasha Deere
Inuyasha Deere
Apr 17th, 2007
Wow, I wish I would have found out how to find the writer’s correct identity earlier. Look below.
Apologies,
Imperial Admiral Inuyasha Deere
Phantom
Apr 17th, 2007
Proteus,
first off the script you got from Dynamic are the same scripts in the AN gav pack, a freebie script that has been handed out in the past with full rights to all members of the AN, and allies.
I hope you mean a council of peers, because a third party council to be classed as a third party can not have ties to any given combat group. and I’m sure the AN, and any combat group that has commanders with any brain cells wouldn’t listen to such a council.
a council of peers what I think your talking about would be a council with reps of each combat group that joins such a party, each having equal say in any matter. or maybe you meant having a council leader who is third party, but that member would have to be elected once so often by simple majority vote.
either way your wording is mucky at best.
but again, stop bashing your own group, your group had it’s own hand in creating the SLSALT, your just as guilty as using the loop holes as the AN. And why the hell would you even ask some one that’s not even an officer about political issues? come on you don’t ask the first person you see about political crap, you talk to the HC of the group.
Avil Creeggan
Apr 17th, 2007
“As of now, we have decided to create a third party council that is acutally OPEN to amendments, rather than a concrete document in the guise of being open to amendments, and not run by a group that has created such document only to take advantage of the obvious loopholes it provides.”
A third party council open to amendments, but closed to new members on the basis of prejudice in situations such as ours and, in the situations to come, on the basis of the fact that almost every remaining MOSCOW member has extensive connections and loyalties to the Merczateer Tactical Forces, save two.
Not to mention the questionable reasons behind this formation, as detailed earlier. The Merczateers seek a treaty to make fairer Second Life combat, but they use it for the introduction and employment of a new and far more venomous tactic, the tactic of manipulation and mental warfare, something unregulable by any treaty but far more severe and with far more destructive potential than any single spamgun, orbiter, or sim-wide nuke can hope to bring upon the state of Second Life combat. Even though it’s being used in it’s most primitive and ill-effective form at the moment, the fact that it exists as an attachment to this treaty remains what should hopefully be something that will give commanders pause (or perhaps ill-thought haste) when considering to join.
“She couldn’t return it because she was busy being
blackscreened.”
You lump together two distinct portions of time within the course of an event into a single state of the event.
Considering that Alliance Navy personnel were on the same floor, in the same connecting hallways, moving from room to room, it’d be a bit hard and a bit stupid to be bombing parties within to blackscreening, right?
I mean, I’d hope I know, considering I was two or three doors down in the office of Fat Pow and thus within range of the blast, and that Alliance Navy personnel were on the ground outside the Kremlin moving to penetrate openable windows and the roof, right?
This, of course, leaves aside the argument that there wasn’t enough action focused on one person to be intentionally blackscreening. Teleports failing is an issue with Second Life and a risk assumed when engaging in Second Life combat.
“I have made numerous propositions in the SLSALT/JCST group on making amendments, however, none of them were considered nor voted upon.”
The proper method for attempting to amend a document is usually to contact most, if not all major interests in the document and to say something to the extent of “lawl, amend plx”. Setting aside the irreliability of group chat delivery and the very ill chances of obtaining a permissible majority without an organized meeting, using group chat out of the blue is not an acceptable means of creating consensus and, through consensus, action. I mean, you aren’t going to log on late one night, go into the MOSCOW group chat, say “Hey, everyone in MOSCOW has to buy their weapons from someone, and the Mercz vote yes, anyone to object or support?” and expect it to become policy.
Oh, wait.