Outraged SL Herald Readers Stage Protest
by Pixeleen Mistral on 08/07/07 at 10:11 am
Signs, puppets, prims, & particles -
shouting, shooting, & some furry intolerance
by Jessica Holyoke, Marxist Whore correspondent
Student and /b/tard protest?
Wishing to see things with my own eyes, I decided to go to the “Fire Prokofy for Libel” protest outside of the SL Herald offices in Hyperborea sim. (Disclosure, Prokofy and I don’t always get along and throughout the protest I wore a “Marxist Whore” title that was bestowed upon me by Mr. Neva.)
20 residents gathered outside the Herald offices. Half of those were members of either Woodbury University or the Prokofy Neva Fan Club, groups which were the subjects of recent Herald articles. The protest itself lasted about forty-five minutes before residents with scripts got out of hand. At a minute past the anointed time, the protest got started. It was at that point that I could say the protest got started when the word “Greifer” appeared in chat attributed to Prokofy. Knowing that such things could be faked, I was not inclined to believe that it was actually our man Prok, until it chastised me for being there. Other than that initial exchange, it was various phrases from the Prok that didn’t add or detract from the protest. It was more the actions of the other protesters that would have detracted.
before the scripts got out of hand
The two things done by a number of protesters that were objectionable was the rezzing of signs on the property of the Herald and the “Crazy Cat Lady” hand puppets that some were wearing. The signs rezzed were of the “Fire Prok” type with a picture of Dana Carvey from Master of Disguise. The hand puppet looked too close in my mind to a picture I saw for a few moments of Prokofy in RL from many months ago. I realize that the puppets may not have been intended to look like Prok in RL, but it is possible that people could have that impression.
There were other residents at the protest that were not involved with the protest. Some came to watch. Some came to question. One resident in particular, Xavier Mohr, offered the opportunity to post rebuttals to Prokofy on other websites instead of protesting. At the same time, residents were offering reasons as to why a protest should be done due to the treatment and libel in the comment section of the Herald.
There are two residents to be singled out for doing more to dispel the rest of the protesters, and initially myself. One harpo jedburgh, not a member of the Prokofy Fan Club or Woodbury University, started rezzing a variety of sound, particle and other non-protest related items that could be seen as griefing. Mudkip Voom, a Woodbury group member, also came in dressed inappropriately for a male in RL or SL, and rezzed items that were not protest-related.
There were side instances of shooting and furry intolerance as well at the official protest. The non-protest related rezzing and the outside actions caused the majority of the protesters to leave the sim and the protest in frustration.
Inigo Chamerberlin
Jul 8th, 2007
Sounds like a fun event – how come *I* wasn’t invited?
‘throughout the protest I wore a “Marxist Whore” title that was bestowed upon me by Mr. Neva.’
Hmmm, that should have been ‘Marxist-Leninist Whore’ Jess. You’d think Commissar Neva would have known that, wouldn’t you?
Like2Drive Ferraris
Jul 8th, 2007
Prokofy is just a stupid ignorant woman who needs to see a psychiatrist. Her crazy unproven theories have been the subject of ridicule throughout the majority of the SL Resident’s thoughts and her prescence here at the Herald just furthermore shows what a shoddy ‘news’ site this is.
We would all love to see her go and not be given a place to vent her wacko ideas for spacebux but we all know Uri likes to be edgey, hence the recent articles such as the ‘Furry Transformation’ – we all like site traffic yes?
However her theories are getting more preposturous and we cannot let the woman lose her mind any more.
She should be silenced for the sakes of her sanity.
Obscure Doodad
Jul 8th, 2007
These people get paid to write. They don’t get paid much and what they churn out is more editorial than journalism. Everyone knows it. Few care. But the point of any business is to make money, and the ads on the SLH page get seen by people who show up here to read — whatever. Doesn’t matter if it is journalism or editorials. The text generates ad income and that is its purpose. Nothing more.
Of more concern is the latest June economics stats on the SL webpage. With the top end of SL earners not only flattening growth, but in outright decline and reflecting some indication of the hype losing its punch, the future of SL discussion is questionable.
Jessica Holyoke
Jul 8th, 2007
Inigo, Leninist is a new insult that I haven’t seen levied as much prior to recent events. And a clarification, Prok called me marxist in the beginning of a post and called me a whore later on in the same post. Putting the two together is comedic.
like2drive, and perhaps I’m biased on this, but I try to read a number of SL news sources. I find that the SL Herald offers content and frequency that isn’t matched by Reuters or the Avastar. Some of the more interesting things, I read here first, before I see it in those two areas.
Khamon
Jul 8th, 2007
Libel protest is as good an excuse as any for Woodbury and Prok fans to gather. Surely they just left because their point was made and the event was ended. They couldn’t possibly have been frustrated as they consider particle and sound bombs perfectly acceptable in other people’s home sims and events.
Jessica Holyoke
Jul 8th, 2007
Obscure,
I just looked at the economic statistics. And while the top money earners, (those earning >$5000USD per month) have dipped to 132 from a 152 high in March, and the second tier (those earning between $2000-5000 USD per month) have also experienced a slight dip, that doesn’t mean that’s the end of SL. Overall positive monthly linden flow has doubled in the current year to date. Unless the 2006 charts show something different, the growth looks positive to me.
A saturation effect may also be happening that effects the top money earners. One clothing designer may be earning $2000 a month in January, but four clothing designers might be earning $1000 a month in June (using a made up projection taking into account resident growth).
But that just signals change, not destruction. It could mean better search capabilities are in order, or better advertising is needed. There’s too much variance in a world economy to base it’s destruction on one economic chart.
Tizzers Foxchase
Jul 8th, 2007
Mudkip Voom is not in the Woodbury University group and never has been. Please correct this.
Prokofy Neva
Jul 8th, 2007
I wasn’t present at this silly display falsel accusing me of libel for accurately reporting on the sininster features of the security forces of Intlibber making common cause with persistent and conspiratorial griefers in SL. If they have some talking puppet that appears to create chat in SL showing me as the speaker, that’s just a gimmick they use. I actually got a tip about this demonstration from a surprising source, but I didn’t feed it by attending it.
I guess the motivation for this article appearing isn’t just the old “always fairly unbalanced” mantra, but Pixeleen still feeling angry at what she imagined to be a deliberate act — my posting of the story about the Bluebird cafe, which could have been done any time ostensibly, “only 8 hours” (instead of um, 12, as she mandated) after her “prize-winning” story about Woodbury U’s island being confiscated.
In fact, there was no ill will intended, and I always try to graciously wait at least a day before I step on another author’s big story 8 hours seems plenty. And I also point out that the editors can at any time delete and repost in different order the same stories, and all that happens is that a few RSS pages might refresh it to the top, big deal. This is done all the time on news sites, they are refreshed and the stories reordered constantly. So Herald authors and editors angry about their top story status need to ask the publishers or editors — or authors in question — to repost the stories and not develop grudges.
Pixeleen and Walker have a hard time grasping that these people perpetrating these major griefing incidents are the *same people backed by the same people who have been acting in SL for at least 2 years now*. The people who were around two years ago as W-hat; the people around now doing this; they’re all part of the same thing. Oh, sure, there are offshoots, factions, internal fights, alts, actual departures. But it’s basically the same thing, and it’s deliberate, and it’s a conspiracy that indeed is formed with malevolent intent and indeed commits overt acts constantly.
So not only doing the story, and giving attention to these griefers, but having one of the frequent-flyer haters of the comments column as the ‘reporter,’ Pixeleen is venting her spleen, I guess. Whatever. It’s long been clear that at the Herald, we’re expected not only to take abuse from readers in the comments, we’re expected to take abuse above all from other reporters and the editors.
Jessica, talking in what she imagines is something like a faux TV DA’s voice here, “On or about the night of July 8th, in the vicinity of the Herald office” is in fact talking out of her ass. In fact, her rigid orthodoxy, typical of the Marxist whore shines through. Not only does she get the “facts” wrong; she implies there are certain facts we must all accept about what’s right and unlawful that in fact are unlawful themselves.
In fact, there’s nothing “illicit” — in basic First Amendment terms — about expressing intolerance to furries, dressing up as cat ladies or using cat lady puppets as props from RL pictures, etc. The Herald has always broadly taken the line that First Amendment rules should apply in Second Life, and these silly rules that the socialist fatty-huffing ancaps from LL impose to be “politically correct” are only so much comedy material.
That’s the sad part, that people like Jessica who are planning to become “lawyers” actually imagine that this jokey politically-correct game TOS is somehow something we should all celebrate and emulate as “law”.
Even under the Lindens’ TOS, I’m not certain that parody puppets made of RL pictures of public figures is banned, I’d have to abuse report it and find out — but I don’t think it’s something that is worthy of an abuse report and I don’t file them anymore unless there’s some huge griefing outbreak on Linden land, or griefers crash the entire sim from a neighbours’ parcel while they are offline can can’t ban them or something.
Just as the Herald tolerates the most graphic, disgusting, and hideous personal attacks in its comments, and has only recently started removing really overtly racist and obscene comments, so it must tolerate a robustly-expressed demonstration on its premises, especially if about its own policies. I think the Herald just has to do this. If the demonstrators use that access to crash the sim, well, perhaps that will help them understand the nature of the protest a bit better. What is ‘inappropriate’ for a male? Having their dick hanging out?
See, this is why you cannot leave law to lawyers raised on the Internet, even if they have law degrees from real-life fancy places like “Yale”. My God, they’ll end up deciding what even a protest can and can’t do, even for a cause they themselves back.
Note that Jim Schack, Intblubber’s security goon who is ostensibly dedicated to a Snowcrash code of honour that does not indulge in griefing and violence, is front and center on this griefing posse as well; and ultimately, it appears to fulfill the test as “griefing posse” and not “legitimate demonstration” — but I wasn’t there, and can’t say for sure.
Yes, Jessica is a Marxist whore. This has to do not with her chosen profession in SL, the oldest one, but with her unconscious and supine mouthing of Marxist memes. Like the belief that there’s something inherently evil about property owners, especially large ones; or, conversely, that property owners aren’t responsible for what happens on their property (the two concepts go together). That griefing posses that come to an owners’ sim with a conspiracy to grief after a history of such overt acts are merely engaging in “freedom of assembly” and “should get their money back” if part of the griefing ritual is to pay rent to be able to demand tenant privileges.
It’s like her instinctual limitations on the freedom of speech in SL shown here — they display her Marxian hand as well, as she is willing to invoke freedoms when they help smash the capitalist Man, but not even for protests at the Herald.
Her cavelling and nitpicking parsing and fisking of the TOS to try to (she imagines “objectively”) pronounce on this demonstration is the kind of thing we can look forward to all the time if people like this come to power in Second Life.
A word on the mischaracterization of these groups. Woodbury University and the Prokofy Neva Fan Club *are the same thing*. They are *the same people who brought you v-5 and much of the PN stuff*. It’s the same handful, over and over again. Intblubber has decided to make common cause with them in his hallucinatory ideological fever, thinking he’s “throwing them” when in fact they’re “throwing” him.
If the Herald wants to fire me, they can do it the normal way without “crowdsourcing it” or “voting it up with yes” or using the hideous features of “social media” to see if there is “support”. They can just use editorial judgement and discretion the old-fashioned way.
Artemis Fate
Jul 8th, 2007
This reads like an abuse report to Linden Labs
Janelle Kyomoon
Jul 8th, 2007
I have since took Xavier up on his offer. It only seemed like the logical thing to do. I sent an article into the Second Life Herald three days ago simply stating the facts behind Woodbury.
Jessica is right, the Herald does get more visitors/readers than other SL news outlets. It IS an editoral type/gossip type column. Honestly what do the majority of people look at first in the grocery check out line when they look at magazines… They look at the “Nicole Ritchie Is Pregnant” or “Britney in Rehab!” headlines before they will look at newspaper or other publication. Thats why you see the tabloid press at the check out line and no newspapers. Because we crave the “gossip” or news on something scandalous.
ugh
Jul 8th, 2007
Sounds like an AWESOME saturday night you guys, kudos. In the land of people wasting time in front of the computer, you have found the most absolutely pointless, retarded, and hateful way to do it! Seriously, who needs sex clubs? Did you come at least?
“There were side instances of shooting and furry intolerance as well at the official protest. The non-protest related rezzing and the outside actions caused the majority of the protesters to leave the sim and the protest in frustration.”
LOL well no shit, set up a protest to get a bigtime griefer target fired from his virtual job, and *GASP* GRIEFERS SHOWED UP!??! Who’da thunk?
Prokofy Neva
Jul 8th, 2007
>Mudkip Voom is not in the Woodbury University group and never has been. Please correct this.
Rolls eyes. BTW, Mudkip is IMing me inworld asking to be “unbanned” from the Herald (I think he’s merely in the queue with all the rest of us making comments which are moderated to take out spam and racism). He’s busy continuing this up “educational seminar” and “demonstration” on my property, putting up giant signs of that movie character with the turtle remarks.
Anonymous
Jul 8th, 2007
Waaah, wah, wah. Here comes the baby tears from the people who don’t take the internet seriously, haha.
Man, it sucks when you babies get a small taste of your own bitter medicine doesn’t it?
And why take it out on Prok? The Lindens are the ones that bombed your hideout. Shouldn’t you be crying to them instead?
But no – you pick on a poor old lady, like the juvies that you are. So sad when you don’t get your way and nobody wants to hear your pitiful squeals and lamentations.
It’s about time Prok got her LULz. You guys have been on her lawn too long.
I find it amusing that your group doesn’t take this little barbi-world dress-up-and-go-shopping game too seriously, but then when action is finally taken against you, you all run crying like daddy took away the car keys. “Call 9-1-1! We need a WAAAHmbulance!” haha.
Remember the “good ol’ days” when you used to be able to bring the whole grid down over the weekend – man I bet you guys had fun then. Well, now you’re pretty much neutered and impotent – the most you can do is lag a sim for a few minutes (pretty much the equivalent of what you do in RL – take up space and breathe up other people’s oxygen).
SL will soon be a more secure platform, and you guys won’t be able to even show someone a goatse texture, as they’ll be able to mute it – and you. More legal protocols pass through the courts every day, to the point where you won’t be able to hide behind your mommie’s credit card and proxies.
Some of your innocent friends were punished due to your actions, but it’s not like you care, as long as you got your lulz and alts, you’ll continue to screw up. You’ll run to your little newsgroup circlejerk, lulzing and whining – and taking the intarnetz too seriously.
Sucks to be you.
Prokofy Neva
Jul 8th, 2007
“There were side instances of shooting and furry intolerance as well at the official protest. The non-protest related rezzing and the outside actions caused the majority of the protesters to leave the sim and the protest in frustration.”
LOL well no shit, set up a protest to get a bigtime griefer target fired from his virtual job, and *GASP* GRIEFERS SHOWED UP!??! Who’da thunk?
I’m glad at least anonymous people can see this and state the facts.
It’s not as if there is a group of good, innocent, earnest, faithful types who form the core of Woodbury U, and other ‘griefers’ who ‘misused their hospitality’. It’s not as if there is a core of legitimate, wrongfully treated, misreported, falsely accused types like Tizzers or Jim Schack or Janelle. No, *they are all in on it* and *it’s all fake and a lie*.
Jessica is typical of liberals who keep staring at the facts of criminality and conspiracy, and keep hoping against hope that they’ll go away, that they won’t be true, that really there is a legitimate protest and injured parties that really do get invaded by griefers who aren’t part of their group (har har) and use “side methods (har har) that aren’t part of their repetoire — as if what is on the “side” or “inappropriate” can be bracketed out, and held off to the margins and never attributed as conscious or wilful or in fact the product of the will of the core.
It reminds me so much of that Black Panther who was arrested for weapons possession in the morning, somehow beats the rap, and shows up at Leonard Bernstein’s cocktail party eating caviar on tiny crackers to be written about by Tom Wolfe in “Radical Chic or Mau-Mauing the Flak Catchers”.
Coincidental Avatar
Jul 8th, 2007
I’m sorry that I couldn’t attend because I was spending quality time with a young lesbian socialist.
I wonder why SLH was not advertising this event.
What comes to readers, my “guess” is that 65% of them are outside Yankeeland. Could SLH slightly reveal their business secrets? I wonder if the demonstrators were a representative sample.
I think that about 50% of the readers are native speakers of English unlike in SL where native English is a minority language.
How many Lindens were there?
Jessica Holyoke
Jul 8th, 2007
********RETRACTION***************
Tizzers, after reviewing my notes, I realized that I wrote down those in either Woodbury University or Prokofy Neva Fan Club in the same list, combining the two into one set of numbers . Mudkip Voom is a member of the Prokofy Neva Fan club and not a member of the Woodbury University group. I apologize for the error.
Prokofy Neva
Jul 8th, 2007
Check out the poll on Woodbury University on my website, on the lower left-hand corner.
http://secondthoughts.typepad.com
Kami Harbinger
Jul 8th, 2007
Wow, one of the rare occasions when the barbarians and I agree on something!
Obviously, though, Uri’s not likely to fire Prok, it’s not good business. Prok sells page hits, just like John Dvorak or Michael Moore or any other frothing loony. You read or watch these people to see just how stupid and fucked up they’ll be today. If publishing Prok was meant as an honest journalistic statement, that’d be a different matter, but nobody’s *that* crazy.
I read this article in much the same way I read the articles about Paris Hilton’s prison sentence. To the extent I’m aware of her, I can’t stand her, and seeing her suffer amused me. The photos when they put her BACK in prison and she looked like she was gonna die, ah… filled me with inner peace and a sense that there is justice in the world.
I just want Prok “discouraged” from replying to columns that aren’t its own byline, so there can be a slightly higher tone to the discussion. Is that too much to ask?
WitnessX
Jul 8th, 2007
>>”Mudkip Voom is not in the Woodbury University group and never has been. Please correct this.”
Well he might not be in there right now. He might have been in there just for the protest and thrown out. That’s a blatent /b/tard name that the Woodbury group and PN use. I think that justifies him being classified in the Woodbury group since the Woodbury group is so entrenched with the /b/tards. Tough, you devalued your own ex sim’s group by flooding it with /b/tards and with a little mix of PN, you can’t walk away from all that now. By the way if you were unbanned you’ll be back on the permaban wagon soon.
Your Sanity
Jul 8th, 2007
::yawns:: Do you guys ever go to a real bar or a real club? Just curious.
Jessica Holyoke
Jul 8th, 2007
To Prok’s comments,
As stated in the article, I thought that the Prokofy chat may have been faked, but for the condensation at my presence. That statement was not repeated throughout the protest. Based on the knowledge of the residents present, it is possible to relay chat even if the user was offline, which Prokofy was. But if you will also notice, Prokofy was not the primary point of my article.
I was not commissioned to do the article. I planned to submit it unsolicited. I was finished and working on the submission with photos when I received an offer of submission by Uri, not Pixeleen. I submitted it to Pixeleen because I had her e-mail address. I missed Uri’s e-mail on the front page and did not see it on the submissions page.
But if anyone has made a good case for why Prokofy should have his fora limited, its Prokofy. At one point, he accused the demonstrators of using access to the sim to crash it. There was no crashing of the Hyperborea sim. He may have been speaking in generalities, but at this time, at this protest, the sim was not crashed.
Prokofy also has accused me in his comments as being a socialist due to an argument over “property owners aren’t responsible for what happens on their property.” This will be the final time I talk about this argument. Prokofy has been arguing with me that land lords have certain duties to perform in relation to their land. I have been arguing back that landlords are not culpable for the criminal actions of their tenants. For most of the argument, we were both using the word ‘responsible’ which, if argued in good faith, created most of the tension. The context was whether or not Professor Clift was responsible for the actions of the rest of the Woodbury University Group and was justified in losing his land. The argument was made that in RL, the same result would have happened, have criminals on your land, lose your land. Under landlord/tenant law, the landlord could take the land away from the tenant if that tenant allows illegal activity on the premises. Under Criminal law, there are two exceptions to the general rules, drug sales and prostitution, that would not find criminal liability for a landlord based on the actions of the tenants. And even under the exceptions, there has to be more than negligence, which is what Clift would have in this situation. Otherwise, landlords do not have criminal liability for the actions of their tenants. Prokofy needs to produce proof of his contention that they do, for it is not in any legal resource, http://www.findlaw.com, lexis-nexis, http://www.nolo.com, Real Property in a Nutshell, gilbert property outlines, barbri bar exam preparation materials and Dukeminier on Property, nor has any other lawyer I talked to disagreed with what I was saying. Instead, throughout my requests for “When is a landlord responsible for the criminal actions of their tenants” I have received lectures and comments on things wholly unrelated to the question, and no proof supporting Prokofy’s proposition.
Prokofy has a problem with anyone interpreting the law differently than himself. If they are a layperson, then they are an internet lawyer who does not have the analytical capability to interpret the law. If they are an apprentice, as good a term for myself as any right now, then they don’t have the RL legal experience to challenge what he is saying and need to acquire more to challenge his pronouncements. If they are a RL lawyer, then they are trying to overpower and coerce others and prevent laypeople from interpreting the law themselves.
Another way that Prokofy does not argue in good faith is the response to this protest. At one point he accuses the assembled parties of a “conspiracy to grief” and that I would promote their freedom of assembly regardless of their criminal conspiracy. When I listed out the various acts taken by the protesters that may fall under griefing, I’m engaging in political correctness, advocating the ToS needlessly, and infringing on their First Amendment rights. One of the reasons why I went to see the protest myself and to write about it is that the discussion is always he said/she said. Prokofy is accusing the members of griefing. The members of the group state that they are not griefing. If using the “Crazy Cat Lady” puppet that is close to a RL representation is griefing, then they are engaging in griefing. I would be supporting his contention that they are, in fact, griefers. I am chastised, on First Amendment grounds, for providing first hand evidence for his contentions even if I want to overly extend First Amendment rights to ‘the wrong people’, in this case, members of the Woodbury University Group or the Prokofy Neva Fan Club. Which, as corrected, no member of the Woodbury University group griefed during the protest, even if a member of the Prokofy Neva Fan club did. Any other major griefing incident was done by an outside the group resident.
Tizzers Foxchase
Jul 8th, 2007
Prokofy dear, you have an issue. It seems that any act, verbalization, or idea that does not directly coincide with yours is considered griefing.
Does seeing giant flexi dongs really ruin your little video game experience so much that you feel the need to spend your entire pathetic life blogging about it? Are telemarketers griefers? How about somebody that cuts you off on the freeway? How about the 5 year old that points and holds her nose because the obese gray-haired old lady smells like rotting cat feces? I’m sure there’s a conspiracy in there somewhere.
You bring this on yourself. People poke at you because they know they will get a reaction out of it. For heavens sake, all I have to do is show up in Ravenglass and I’m instantly being blogged about.
YOU are the one that creates the conspiracy. You do it because it gives a false sinister aura to your asinine “reporting.”
You want the truth about Woodbury? I am a student there. I was given control of the island by Clift. A few of my friends and I dug a hole in the middle as a fun place for us to hang out and put up silly pictures. One thing lead to another and all of a sudden we’re front page news. So my advice? Go fuck yourself.
And stop comparing Woodbury with W-hat and V5. They have nothing to do with each other. V5 is Hazim’s group.
Anoymous
Jul 8th, 2007
Protest on Prok = FAIL
Those Anon there should be ashamed of yourselves and should be disowned…
Jessica Holyoke
Jul 8th, 2007
Sorry missed a later Prok post,
No one is suggesting that there is never criminal liablity. I presented the facts from the time of the protest so that other people could draw their own conclusions. Instead of relying on the back and forth of biased parties.
Let’s look at Tizzers Foxchase. Accused constantly of being a griefer, she did not engage in griefing activity at the protest. Also, she is still on SL. So if the Lindens, with vast powers to monitor and ban residents, allow her on the grid, isn’t she more or less innocent? Especially in light of the taking down of the Woodbury Sim?
Prokofy Neva
Jul 8th, 2007
>********RETRACTION***************
Tizzers, after reviewing my notes, I realized that I wrote down those in either Woodbury University or Prokofy Neva Fan Club in the same list, combining the two into one set of numbers . Mudkip Voom is a member of the Prokofy Neva Fan club and not a member of the Woodbury University group. I apologize for the error.
Um, no need to retract. The Prokofy Fan Club is made up of the alts of people who have long been griefing me and many others in Second Life, including Intlibber before he decided to join them when he couldn’t beat them. They all come out from the same overcoat: w-hat. They intertwine, intermingle, make common cause with, support, aid, abet the PNs, voter-5, Anti-Voter 5, and other spinoffs.
To look at their literal current membership now is silly; any idiot can track them around the grid, monitor their actions, see how the work as a hive mind and a conspiratorial collective, and draw the same conclusions — that is, if they don’t fear stepping on their liberal corns too hard. If Mudkip isn’t technically in The Prokofy Fanclub this minute, what of it? He’s in the other groups organized by this same outfit — and in fact when I checked in world this morning, he *was* in the Fanclub and was also in Ravenglass, which they all join not only to grief and harass me, because it’s open, but to discredit my business in the eyes of their other victims, who send me irate IMs telling me my tenant, Tizzers Foxchase, is deliberately crashing the SL4 Birthday sims. Yes, I’ve gotten a full documented report of THAT caper, from an eyewitness who watched the whole thing whom I don’t know, who explained that Tizzers was presiding over THAT disruption of SL that people still imagine to be about “lag” or “too many people on the servers”.
Furthermore, Jessica must take note of the following evidence: Mudkip Voom rezzed on my land in Refugio this morning THE SAME TEXTURE of the giant picture of the “of Dana Carvey from Master of Disguise”. He is the creator and owner of the object.
Oh, people copy textures and pass them around, sure, but we know what this is about.
And that was done deliberately, as was the annoying IM from Mudkip (newly respawned with a recent birthdate), to let them know that even as Herald “reporters” like “Jessica” are claiming that Mudkip has nothing to do with “the good legitimate core of the protest,” in fact he *does*. And that’s *always* done for my benefit with the belief that I’m unlikely to find witnesses, get the Lindens to do anything, or bother to publish it.
I have pictures showing him as the creator and owner of the object. So…is that one of the objects Jessica thinks was “rezzed on the side” and “wasn’t part of the project” and “isn’t to be taken into account”? Is she going to imagine that some other person uploaded it, created the object, displayed it, and then only passed it to Mudkip later when he, as not-a-member-of-the-group and not-in-the-demonstration (rolls eyes) comes to grief me the next day with the same texture?
While I believe that extremists like Artemis or Kami or Jessica or Intblubber have talked themselves into a frenzy believing that I’m published here for “page hits” or “gossip value” or “to sell newspapers”. I don’t think that’s the case; I’ve never heard them say it.
I think it’s useful to remember how this latest saga got started. I kept getting all kinds of letters from readers, some of whom I didn’t know, some whom I knew only slightly — and even from Intlibber!!!! — asking the Herald to investigate Woodbury U.
Perusing its members, understanding it had the same old M.O. as the PNs and V5s and other acronyms associated with w-hat, I decided that only visiting it with a kind of parody sort of take would work. That’s why I wrote Griefer U, and the other story called “Attack–I Mean Educational Seminar”.
In Griefer U (http://www.secondlifeherald.com/slh/2007/04/griefer_u.html) I began with the simple facts: the Lindens had banned these people after they themselves were found crashing their own sim and other people’s sims — back in April.
Hello? How quickly everything disappears down the memory hole!
Because I quickly called Tizzers on her bullshit even back then, in April, and saw this thing for what it was — a deliberate and concerted griefing sim like Satyr with fake denials as part of the M.O. — I’ve been singled out for attack. It’s not because I “yelp when a stick is poked at me” and I’m “such an easy target”. It’s not because “I’m an ebil land baron with vested interests who screams when property is devalued*. It’s because I reported the simple fact going on here: it’s a scam, a hype, a fake, a deliberate griefing operation perpetrated yet again on the people of Second Life to disrupt Second Life on purpose.
More than anything, these terrorists hate the exposure of THAT fact.
Meanwhile, Walker and Pixeleen have been writing thumb-suckers (and bed-wetters) speaking piously of these people’s rights, and their innocence until proven guilty, and the inadmissability of ‘guilt by association’ as a method, and the evilness of Linden Lab for consfiscating property — and all the rest of it. And that’s all good, and it’s all important, and it espouses the same liberal values I share.
Except…at a certain point, you look at the repeating, ample, robust, systematic, deliberate, intentional griefing record of these groups and you call it. You call it for what it is.
Prokofy Neva
Jul 8th, 2007
>Wow, one of the rare occasions when the barbarians and I agree on something!
Not rare, as he’s a barbarian and a totalitarian himself.
>Obviously, though, Uri’s not likely to fire Prok, it’s not good business. Prok sells page hits, just like John Dvorak or Michael Moore or any other frothing loony. You read or watch these people to see just how stupid and fucked up they’ll be today. If publishing Prok was meant as an honest journalistic statement, that’d be a different matter, but nobody’s *that* crazy.
I think it’s interesting to note that on my blog, as on the Herald, the largest group of links made to the blog — and therefore the largest factor for page hits — comes from http://www.soemthingawful.com That’s because this site, which has a lot of members and hits, is used constantly to post links to the exploits of the PNs, the v-5s, and all the other w-hat related groups, and the people at http://www.somethingawful.com — who everyone thinks are “not responsible’ and “not to be tarred with the same brush” and “creative” and “a good group even if a little obscene and mean sometimes” etc. etc. are the ones fueling the hittage.
That is one of the factors that lets me know how much this stuff is indeed related to somethingawful.com and W-hat. If the broad mass of readers of somethingawful.com weren’t griefers, weren’s supportive of w-hat, PN, and v-5 and all their offsets, and didn’t enjoy watching the suffering of other people, there would be no traffic from that website. And yet there is. Lots of it.
>I read this article in much the same way I read the articles about Paris Hilton’s prison sentence. To the extent I’m aware of her, I can’t stand her, and seeing her suffer amused me.
I’m no fan of Paris Hilton’s, but the idea that it’s ok to gleefully enjoy the suffering and humiliation of other people is barbaric, and is typical of totalitarian culture. It’s to be condemned. It has no place in civilization. It’s what separates civilization from the barbaric dystopias that people like Kami espouse.
>The photos when they put her BACK in prison and she looked like she was gonna die, ah… filled me with inner peace and a sense that there is justice in the world.
It may be justice to put Paris in prison; it’s not justice to enjoy someone else’s suffering.
>I just want Prok “discouraged” from replying to columns that aren’t its own byline, so there can be a slightly higher tone to the discussion. Is that too much to ask?
Anyone who can refer to another human being as “it” is a barbarian, and not civilized. The higher tone to the discussion can come when people who are serial haters like Kami, Artemis, Reality, etc. can begin to restrain themselves.
Nobody Fugazi
Jul 8th, 2007
Why stage a protest? Just vote with your feet. To do otherwise feeds the beast.
Jessica Holyoke
Jul 8th, 2007
I specifically mentioned the Master of Disguise sign as something the main protestors rezzed. It was not a side item or something on the periphery. The giant penis that mudkip rezzed, which I did not mention, was a side item and something on the periphery.
As I was writing this, I wanted to present what happened at the HQ, there, that day. Not April, not the next day, what was going on at that particular time in a neutral way so that instead of being involved in a swearing contest, people could make their own judgments.
During the protest, the Master of Disquise signs were rezzed prior to mudkip voom’s arrival. Either he created them initially and arrived later, which would make Prokofy’s statements true, or he could have copied the texture later, which would make him the creator of the next sign, or the sign was copiable and he took a copy, and I don’t know how attribution works then.
Jessica Holyoke
Jul 8th, 2007
Just read an earlier post of mine, I meant condemnation or disapproval, and not condensation, the accumulation of moisture, in relation to the possibly faked Prok chat.
WitnessX
Jul 8th, 2007
>>”And stop comparing Woodbury with W-hat and V5. They have nothing to do with each other. V5 is Hazim’s group”
Let’s rip this one apart shall we. Hazim has multiple alts, including one that is banned named Runny Panacek who was “married” and partnered to Tizzers before the alt was banned. Also Hazim’s main account and many of his alts where in the Woodbury University group:
http://poolsclosed.nexisonline.net/news/index.php/2007/05/14/voter-5-pn-merger/
This little post right here links Voter 5 to the PN made by Hazim himself, poke about the site owned by Nexis (known PN member who “no longer griefs” HA) and you get a few more posts by Hazim Gazov and poke around the site for more PN fun.
Also it has been heavily noted that W-hat and the PN have been helping each other. Many of their members cross pollinate each other and there’s a “secret” alliance going on between them. The PN were in Woodbury either quietly as alts as not to get kicked, and Tizzers supported them before the Woodbury sim was taken offline originally even going so far as posting in the PN site forums ( patrioticnigras.com/forums some posts might be still viewed by the public I doubt it). All the links add up, all these groups are so interlinked in more ways than one.
Prokofy Neva
Jul 8th, 2007
>I specifically mentioned the Master of Disguise sign as something the main protestors rezzed. It was not a side item or something on the periphery. The giant penis that mudkip rezzed, which I did not mention, was a side item and something on the periphery.
Mudkip Voom is the author and owner of the object. I have absolutely no doubt in my mind that the UUI of that texture and its first uploader and such will show unmistakeable relationships between the “legitimately rezzed protest object” which Jessica didn’t bother to check the authorship or ownership of during the protest, and the *same thing* that was used to grief my land this morning in Refugio, are absolutely, unequivocally related. And the Lindens know that. If you don’t believe me, ask the Lindens, see what you get.
Too bad we don’t have the Law of Discovery and adversarial defense in Second Life to help us fight abusive, biased, and sectarian “lawyers” who protect griefers in SL.
>As I was writing this, I wanted to present what happened at the HQ, there, that day. Not April, not the next day, what was going on at that particular time in a neutral way so that instead of being involved in a swearing contest, people could make their own judgments.
People cannot make a judgement about Woodbury University without seeing the entire context, especially in the Herald, which begins in April, with the pertinent and undisputed fact that the Lindens banned the people involved for violation of the TOS and put it on the police blotter even.
>During the protest, the Master of Disquise signs were rezzed prior to mudkip voom’s arrival. Either he created them initially and arrived later, which would make Prokofy’s statements true, or he could have copied the texture later, which would make him the creator of the next sign, or the sign was copiable and he took a copy, and I don’t know how attribution works then.
Jessica failed to observe who made and rezzed the objects. To claim that Mudkips is not part of this conspiracy is all part of the wilful, lying propaganda that Jessica wishes to perpetrate.
Khamon
Jul 8th, 2007
If people who own groups that’ve “gotten out of hand” after being joined by “a few bad eggs” want us to accept them as responsible adults, they have to display the wisdom of taking their groups back and kicking out the trouble making children.
That applies to LL as well if they want us to view their grid as anything more than a play toy. One of them actually told me last week that W-hat was as a victim of griefer infiltration. Does such an insult to my intelligence demonstrate LL’s general opinion of the resident base?
Of course the option is for the perps to defend their right to believe that we have to perceive them as something other than the children they obviously are. That argument actually just confirms their own immaturity. It’s totally amusing when they insult the people that call them out as though that proves their maturity.
Cocoanut Koala
Jul 8th, 2007
Hey, Kami!
I just want this Kami “discouraged” from replying to columns that aren’t “its” own byline! Is that too much to ask?
Now, how can we “discourage” Kami from replying to topics on the SLH?
Let’s figure this out, because then we might have a slightly higher tone to the discussion!
An added bonus: Might be amusing, too, to watch Kami suffer!
coco
Nacon
Jul 8th, 2007
Just one word…. Hahahahahahahahahahahhahahaha!
(*hints* They should protest into having Prok banned from SL instead. *hints*)
Reality
Jul 8th, 2007
“Anyone who can refer to another human being as “it” is a barbarian, and not civilized. The higher tone to the discussion can come when people who are serial haters like Kami, Artemis, Reality, etc. can begin to restrain themselves.”
Dearie? Anyone that can assume the absolute worst in each and every human being on the plant, treats an individual Human as being some sort of drone in a beehive, fails to show the same courtesy/measure of politeness/respect that is shown the, goes out of their way to harass/belittle/slander/libel/attack another person for no valid reason, makes constant excuses for such attacks … The list goes on Dearie.
Such a person does not deserve a god deal of the titles and pronouns associated with the rest of Humanity. They’ve made it quite clear that they are incapable of functioning with Civilization.
Such a person is more a ‘barbarian’ than anything else Dearie.
You’d think that with so many people saying a variant of the same thing that the message would have broken through that rather thick skull of yours.
“I’ve been singled out for attack. It’s not because I ‘yelp when a stick is poked at me’ and I’m ‘such an easy target’”.
Yes dearie, you have been singled out quite often haven’t you? I wonder why that could be? Maybe it really is for the very reasons you claim are false. Maybe dearie it is because you ramble on and on, citing your own opinions as facts without one single shred of hard line data (meaning a real fact dearie, not some belief, not a chat log, not a picture) to back those opinions up. Maybe dearie it is because you have this rather startling inability to be polite to anyone and heaven forbid someone approach you showing kindness or being polite (those you have not had any dealings with in the past by the by dearie).
Hmm, what other reasons could there be dearie? Maybe it is the overwhelming hatred you show to anyone with a differing opinion. Maybe it is something that has not yet been identified.
No matter what it is of the above dearie, one thing is certain: It is not due to your Z”reporting skills” (which do not exist dearie). So far you’ve “exposed” absolutely nothing – except maybe your own true colors Dearie.
I do believe I’ll stop filling your eyes – for now – with this Dearie, this comment is already far too long and will already be hell on some people reading it.
I will say though that I hope you snap out of it soon Dearie … You’re one of those people I outlined at the beginning of this comment and such people do eventually get woken up by Life the hard way.
Jessica Holyoke
Jul 8th, 2007
You’re right Prok, I didn’t check the authorship of the signs people were rezzing. That was my fault.
But how am I abusive? Or sectarian for that matter. Because earlier you were stating that I was infringing on the Griefer’s rights while at the same time overextending to them other rights. I’m not being abusive, I’m simply stating facts and arguments to misstatements you are making.
Your behavior, not due to some status that you claim, such as public behavior or land ownership, is why people were protesting your actions. The way that you twist things around, the way that you assign blame where there may be none and the way you deflect all criticism or points to the contrary away as leninist, marxist, or otherwise part of a conspiracy against you or society.
Although, thinking back on yesterday, the Prokofy chat in the sim did accuse the protestors of being “Nanny staters”, something I never saw or heard Prokofy use before. Are there any instances of Prokofy using this term before? If not, then it may be likely that the entire ‘Prokofy’ chat was faked.
Cocoanut Koala
Jul 8th, 2007
I’ve changed my mind. I’d rather “encourage” Reality to no longer post, due to excessive “dearie-ing.”
coco
Prokofy Neva
Jul 8th, 2007
As I’ve stated before: *after* Jessica passes the bar, and *after* she has practiced law for a year, *then* I will debate her on things like property rights, about which she is mainly ignorant, being untethered from real life, and about whether or not she is, or is not, mouthing Marxist memes.
Obviously, my remarks about crashing sims referred to *my own sims which were indeed crashed*. As for the Herald’s rented sim, if it wasn’t crashed, what of it? It was griefed in obnoxious ways that finally made even the demonstrators leave. Same thing. Mission accomplished. Denial of service attack.
People protest against me because I tell them the truth about themselves, and reject their lies, that’s all it’s about; that’s all it has ever been about.
Jim Schack
Jul 8th, 2007
>Note that Jim Schack, Intblubber’s security goon who is ostensibly dedicated to a Snowcrash code of honour that does not indulge in griefing and violence, is front and center on this griefing posse as well; and ultimately, it appears to fulfill the test as “griefing posse” and not “legitimate demonstration” — but I wasn’t there, and can’t say for sure.
We’re all waiting for the proof that I was involved crashing your sim, toots. It was these kind of your libel conspiracy theroies that sparked the protest. Me wearing a FIC badge while hovering over your sim while other people are crashing it is NOT proof of anything except that I was there. LL recognized this when they audited my account and found that I, in fact, had nothing to do with your sim crashing. Nice try none the less. You are the only one who still believes this myth is true.
>Rolls eyes. BTW, Mudkip is IMing me inworld asking to be “unbanned” from the Herald (I think he’s merely in the queue with all the rest of us making comments which are moderated to take out spam and racism). He’s busy continuing this up “educational seminar” and “demonstration” on my property, putting up giant signs of that movie character with the turtle remarks.
Mudkips was not with us, he wanted to be unbanned to continue greifing. There wasn’t anything you could to about unbaning him because it was an estate ban from an estate manager who came out to help up weed out the greifers. Kudos to Day Oh.
>It’s not as if there is a group of good, innocent, earnest, faithful types who form the core of Woodbury U, and other ‘griefers’ who ‘misused their hospitality’. It’s not as if there is a core of legitimate, wrongfully treated, misreported, falsely accused types like Tizzers or Jim Schack or Janelle. No, *they are all in on it* and *it’s all fake and a lie*.
Yea and we helped Bush do 9/11 to secure our SL accounts, it was almost the perfect plan! Buahahahaha! >:D No-one would have ever seen it coming. What was our motivation? The money? The fame? Gorgeous members of the opposite sex to do our bidding? The world may never know! If you’ll excuse me I got to cover up my tracks in the OKC Bombing.
>Tizzers, after reviewing my notes, I realized that I wrote down those in either Woodbury University or Prokofy Neva Fan Club in the same list, combining the two into one set of numbers . Mudkip Voom is a member of the Prokofy Neva Fan club and not a member of the Woodbury University group. I apologize for the error.
Well Woodbury, you have to be invited to keep out PN and other unsavory characters. Where as the Prokofy Fan Club is open. Anyone can join!
>Check out the poll on Woodbury University on my website, on the lower left-hand corner.
60% say it’s legit but had a few members misuse it? Yea what about it?
>Not rare, as he’s a barbarian and a totalitarian himself.
Kami is a libertarian/an-cap. Which is the opposite of totalitarianism. But hey, what do you know? Really, what DO you know?
>That is one of the factors that lets me know how much this stuff is indeed related to somethingawful.com and W-hat. If the broad mass of readers of somethingawful.com weren’t griefers, weren’s supportive of w-hat, PN, and v-5 and all their offsets, and didn’t enjoy watching the suffering of other people, there would be no traffic from that website. And yet there is. Lots of it.
Blanket statements just shows the lack of intelligence on the part of those making them, but we all know you’re not the brightest bulb on the Christmas tree.
>How about the 5 year old that points and holds her nose because the obese gray-haired old lady smells like rotting cat feces? I’m sure there’s a conspiracy in there somewhere.
Shhhh… You’ll expose our heinous and evil plot to unite the world under a single government for world dominations what beginning by crashing a crazy lady’s sim… shh…
>This little post right here links Voter 5 to the PN made by Hazim himself, poke about the site owned by Nexis (known PN member who “no longer griefs” HA) and you get a few more posts by Hazim Gazov and poke around the site for more PN fun.
Read her comment again. don’t compare WOODBURY to PN and V-5. Not PN to V-5 DOH!
>Furthermore, Jessica must take note of the following evidence: Mudkip Voom rezzed on my land in Refugio this morning THE SAME TEXTURE of the giant picture of the “of Dana Carvey from Master of Disguise”. He is the creator and owner of the object.
>Oh, people copy textures and pass them around, sure, but we know what this is about.
Yea, it’s not just griefers who think you are outta your flippin’ mind.
>Jessica failed to observe who made and rezzed the objects. To claim that Mudkips is not part of this conspiracy is all part of the wilful, lying propaganda that Jessica wishes to perpetrate.
ZMOG HE WAS THERE THERE ALL TOGETHER BECAUSE INDIVIDUALS MUST BE LUMPED TOGETHER AND DEFINED AS THE LEAST SAVORY CHARACTER BECAUSE THEY ARE TOGETHER!
Prok let’s say you have 50 cats (sure you have more, but for sake of argument) now 49 of your cats use the litter box and don’t scratch curtains or sofas. Good kitties if you will. Now let’s say you got 1 badass cat. One that pisses on your bed, shreds any and all bits of fabric and furniture and goes and kills your next door neighbor’s parakeet. Is it a conspiracy with the other 49 cats to have one bad apple do their bidding to annoy and pester you? Because that is exactly what you are saying.
>I have pictures showing him as the creator and owner of the object. So…is that one of the objects Jessica thinks was “rezzed on the side” and “wasn’t part of the project” and “isn’t to be taken into account”? Is she going to imagine that some other person uploaded it, created the object, displayed it, and then only passed it to Mudkip later when he, as not-a-member-of-the-group and not-in-the-demonstration (rolls eyes) comes to grief me the next day with the same texture?
Prok, in order to use this kind of fail logic you must then assume that Phillip Linden is and evil greifer because it’s HIS name as the creator of the dong popgun. It’s a non-sequitur.
>No matter what it is of the above dearie, one thing is certain: It is not due to your Z”reporting skills” (which do not exist dearie). So far you’ve “exposed” absolutely nothing – except maybe your own true colors Dearie.
I’m going to nominate you for a Congressional Metal of Honor. =)
Anon
Jul 8th, 2007
What a bunch of losers. Oh boo hoo words appeared on your screen you don’t like. Suck it up and go watch E! or something.
Michael Seraph
Jul 8th, 2007
So the guy who rezzes giant flexi dongs was given control of Woodbury sim. And then the sim was warned about griefers. And then warned again. And then the sim was closed down. And now Wooodbury avies want Prok fired? LOL.
Janelle Kyomoon
Jul 9th, 2007
I think it incredibly laughable that the poll on Prokofy’s second thoughts blog has at the time I checked 58.8% of the people who took it believe that it is an educational sim and that members got in and misused the name. 17.6% believe that its educational and its not a conspiracy at all. and 23.5% believe is the conspiracy that Prokofy says it. OVER half of the people taking the poll on your own blog disagree with you Prok!
Joshua Nightshade
Jul 9th, 2007
I’m beyond outraged at this. This is truly a travesty and a horrible example of the juvenile behavior that more and more encompasses the mindset of the average SL resident.
I mean seriously, you have an anti-Prokofy protest and no one thought to invite ME?
Disgusting. Scatological, even. And rape. Definitely rape.
Anon
Jul 9th, 2007
Who cares?
Jim Schack
Jul 9th, 2007
The puppets have a chat feature that if you type anything into channel 2 it says “Prokofy Neva:”
It’s fairly obvious that the chat is not coming from her, not only because she wasn’t there, but because it was green that shows it was coming from an object.
WitnessX
Jul 9th, 2007
—-”There were side instances of shooting and furry intolerance as well at the official protest.”
Only an instance? Furries are ALWAYS intolerant, try going to furnation in a black av
WitnessX
Jul 9th, 2007
>>Read her comment again. don’t compare WOODBURY to PN and V-5. Not PN to V-5 DOH!
Read my post again. I’m saying they are all linked. Woodbury, V5, PN, /b/tards and W-hat and more. They are all linked in some way shape or form, even now you and your boss are linked in that chain (Intlibber’s envolvement in the Fursectution Camp with Tizzers and Woodbury members and your constant defense of Tizzers and your use of /b/tard speak). Follow the bread crumbs and you will see it, I’m only steering people to find out themselves instead of me sitting here stating things here and there, I’d rather people find out on their own. This isn’t a comparison.
By the way you seem to try to debate like Prok does by belittling the person and insulting their intelligence. Keep it up “Vice President of BnT” we all now how much public opinion weighs in nowadays, but you seem not to care and you’re carrying yourself poorly.
WitnessX
Jul 9th, 2007
I believe my true self is that of a 1978 Honda Civic. That is who I truly am on the inside, my soul-being. To express this aspect of my personality I draw pictures of myself as an anthropomorphic 1978 Honda Civic and share them with others of my kind. My girlfriend is an 1975 AMC Gremlin, and we are soul-mates. Automobile soul-mates. I communicate with others of my kind mostly through the internet, but sometimes we attend conventions. People persecute us for our true selves. My neighbor threatened to call the cops on me just for talking to his Escort. I’m not even into Fords, but that’s besides the point. Just because I AM a car doesn’t mean I’m going to have relations with just every car I see. It’s not about the sex, though there is a 1955 Chevy Bel-Air I will never forget. You never forget your first. But I’m sick of people saying I’m perverted and wrong, and that I’m not really a car I’m just crazy. They don’t understand, I have just as much right to the road as they do. Those assholes at the DMV are the worst, but I’d rather not talk about that ugly incident of carsecution. I have a good mechanic, though. You’ve never lived until you’ve had this guy change your oil. It doesn’t make me gay, because I’m a Honda, not really a person. Your morality doesn’t apply to me. I am a car. Beep beep, mother fucker. Deal with it.
Prokofy Neva
Jul 9th, 2007
>Let’s look at Tizzers Foxchase. Accused constantly of being a griefer, she did not engage in griefing activity at the protest. Also, she is still on SL. So if the Lindens, with vast powers to monitor and ban residents, allow her on the grid, isn’t she more or less innocent? Especially in light of the taking down of the Woodbury Sim?
No. Trespassing, constantly returning to sims where you are banned, constantly looking for loopholes to lead griefing posses, scouting out areas first and then disappearing just as a goon squad arrives, or hovering in the background; coming on a sim to make trouble — that *is* griefing.
Also, if you’re a student in good faith, do you think you’d have to reach for really retarded and gross insults like Tizzers does? Do you think you’d be fired from your RL job? We have no idea who the sim owner of record is, and what the structure was. Was it MC Fizgig who paid for the sim and is the owner? Was Tizzers merely an administrator? That’s how it seems to have been.
And how about hilarious lies like this one: “”And stop comparing Woodbury with W-hat and V5. They have nothing to do with each other. V5 is Hazim’s group”. Hazim is Tizzer’s partner. And before Hazim, there was a string of his alts, and it’s the same people it’s always been, and they do the exact same thing.
>I think it incredibly laughable that the poll on Prokofy’s second thoughts blog has at the time I checked 58.8% of the people who took it believe that it is an educational sim and that members got in and misused the name.
*Shrugs*. It’s a poll that enables every anonymous person to come and vote, probably even multiple times with their anonymizers of IPs, and that means mass-mob voting by PN and v-5 operatives. You get what you get on a poll like that, it doesn’t bother me. I’ll arrange a more accurate one soon on my police plotter, where you’ll have to have an SL name AND not be responsible for damages in RL or SL against me to vote. See how that does. And I don’t doubt that most people will disagree with my conviction that it is a conspiracy. I think I’m on to something, however, judging from the rabid reaction. PNs and V-5s always imagine it’s them poking me with a stick; the hornest nest is being wacked by me, however, by exposing their lies.
I’m surprised Intblubber hasn’t disciplined his chief goon for TOS violations, including trespass and RL disclosure and harassment holding the Prokofy hand puppet. Hardly an officer or a gentleman would stoop to such infantile behaviour.
>Me wearing a FIC badge while hovering over your sim while other people are crashing it is NOT proof of anything except that I was there. LL recognized this when they audited my account and found that I, in fact, had nothing to do with your sim crashing
And that’s ok? On what grounds do you believe that the Lindens “audited” your account? Did they state this to you for a fact? And if you don’t intend harm, why go to another’s sim to antagonize them? I certainly never go to the Intlibber empire of Trashcanistan unless I have actual real business, i.e. a withdrawal from the ill-advised WSE, or an actual check of a parcel to recommend to a tenant if I’m fully occupied on commercial parcels — although I can’t in good conscience continue to make those recommendations anymore, seeing the unprofessional behaviour of the security goons.
>Prok, in order to use this kind of fail logic you must then assume that Phillip Linden is and evil greifer because it’s HIS name as the creator of the dong popgun. It’s a non-sequitur.
You may be on to something here. BTW, it’s “griefer” and “Medal”.
Reality
Jul 9th, 2007
”
I’ve changed my mind. I’d rather “encourage” Reality to no longer post, due to excessive “dearie-ing.”
coco”
Coco – simple solution: The moment you realize a comment of mine is directed to your rather delusional friend … skip it.
Now then … to the delusional one:
“People protest against me because I tell them the truth about themselves, and reject their lies, that’s all it’s about; that’s all it has ever been about.”
No dearie – I’ve already told you why people target you for griefing and protests. A true pity you actually believe the fantasies that play out in your head.