Outraged SL Herald Readers Stage Protest
by Pixeleen Mistral on 08/07/07 at 10:11 am
Signs, puppets, prims, & particles -
shouting, shooting, & some furry intolerance
by Jessica Holyoke, Marxist Whore correspondent
Student and /b/tard protest?
Wishing to see things with my own eyes, I decided to go to the “Fire Prokofy for Libel” protest outside of the SL Herald offices in Hyperborea sim. (Disclosure, Prokofy and I don’t always get along and throughout the protest I wore a “Marxist Whore” title that was bestowed upon me by Mr. Neva.)
20 residents gathered outside the Herald offices. Half of those were members of either Woodbury University or the Prokofy Neva Fan Club, groups which were the subjects of recent Herald articles. The protest itself lasted about forty-five minutes before residents with scripts got out of hand. At a minute past the anointed time, the protest got started. It was at that point that I could say the protest got started when the word “Greifer” appeared in chat attributed to Prokofy. Knowing that such things could be faked, I was not inclined to believe that it was actually our man Prok, until it chastised me for being there. Other than that initial exchange, it was various phrases from the Prok that didn’t add or detract from the protest. It was more the actions of the other protesters that would have detracted.
before the scripts got out of hand
The two things done by a number of protesters that were objectionable was the rezzing of signs on the property of the Herald and the “Crazy Cat Lady” hand puppets that some were wearing. The signs rezzed were of the “Fire Prok” type with a picture of Dana Carvey from Master of Disguise. The hand puppet looked too close in my mind to a picture I saw for a few moments of Prokofy in RL from many months ago. I realize that the puppets may not have been intended to look like Prok in RL, but it is possible that people could have that impression.
There were other residents at the protest that were not involved with the protest. Some came to watch. Some came to question. One resident in particular, Xavier Mohr, offered the opportunity to post rebuttals to Prokofy on other websites instead of protesting. At the same time, residents were offering reasons as to why a protest should be done due to the treatment and libel in the comment section of the Herald.
There are two residents to be singled out for doing more to dispel the rest of the protesters, and initially myself. One harpo jedburgh, not a member of the Prokofy Fan Club or Woodbury University, started rezzing a variety of sound, particle and other non-protest related items that could be seen as griefing. Mudkip Voom, a Woodbury group member, also came in dressed inappropriately for a male in RL or SL, and rezzed items that were not protest-related.
There were side instances of shooting and furry intolerance as well at the official protest. The non-protest related rezzing and the outside actions caused the majority of the protesters to leave the sim and the protest in frustration.
Artemis Fate
Jul 9th, 2007
“While I believe that extremists like Artemis or Kami or Jessica or Intblubber have talked themselves into a frenzy believing that I’m published here for “page hits” or “gossip value” or “to sell newspapers”. I don’t think that’s the case; I’ve never heard them say it.”
Don’t forget Urizenus.
Wow apparently disagreeing with you is being an “extremist” now.
Tizzers Foxchase
Jul 9th, 2007
“I’m beyond outraged at this. This is truly a travesty and a horrible example of the juvenile behavior that more and more encompasses the mindset of the average SL resident.
I mean seriously, you have an anti-Prokofy protest and no one thought to invite ME?
Disgusting. Scatological, even. And rape. Definitely rape.”
lol! Hi Josh. I <3 you.
IntLibber Brautigan
Jul 9th, 2007
Prok commits one more instance of slander and libel. Nor I, nor any of my alts, belong to Prokofy Neva Fan Club, or Woodbury, or Voter 5, or any other griefer group. I was asleep in bed during the protest, had overslept due to overwork the previous day, and any number of people can attest to that who know me.
Prok has become a paranoid schitzophrenic and badly needs to see a doctor for treatment. That the Herald continues to print her insane ravings is at best profiting off a sick persons illness.
Prokofy Neva
Jul 9th, 2007
Here’s what I wrote:
>The Prokofy Fan Club is made up of the alts of people who have long been griefing me and many others in Second Life, including Intlibber before he decided to join them when he couldn’t beat them.
Intlibber joined the Anti-Voter 5 group, which falsely claims endorsement from me, and has always consisted of the PNs and v-5s and Tizzers of course. He left the group when its members began to get banned over and over, and it really was too obviously not what it claimed to be. But for a time, he vigorously supported it as part of his “griefing re-education” gambit.
Anti-Voter 5 and The Prokofy Fan Club are essentially the same thing, with the same people, one larger than the other slightly, although thinning out with banned alts.
Intlibber’s chief security goon, Jim Schack, is in The Prokofy Fan Club.
Jim Schack
Jul 9th, 2007
>*Shrugs*. It’s a poll that enables every anonymous person to come and vote, probably even multiple times with their anonymizers of IPs, and that means mass-mob voting by PN and v-5 operatives.
I can’t even begin to count how many times this myth was debunked when the same accusations were leveled on Ron Paul.
>I’m surprised Intblubber hasn’t disciplined his chief goon for TOS violations, including trespass and RL disclosure and harassment holding the Prokofy hand puppet. Hardly an officer or a gentleman would stoop to such infantile behaviour.
OK, It’s not trespassing if it’s public and you have told me in advance to to enter. Also, if i wasn’t allowed to enter, you should have banned me. I can go where ever I want in SL if the parcel or estate settings allow. If the owner wants me to leave, I’ll leave. If I refuse, they can eject and or ban me. TO this day you still have not told me not to enter, but I know you don’t so I haven’t.
RL Discloser was YOUR bad that you made your picture public. I did not create the hand puppet, nor is it anything new. This puppet has been around for quite a while. Harassment? Doubt it. You haven’t seen me with a hand puppet outside of pictures, so how is that harassment as defined in the TOS?
I’m surprised no one has arrested you with murdering John F Kennedy as much as I’m surprised that Int hasn’t punished me for violating TOS. Why? Because you are as guilty of murdering JFK as I am breaking TOS rules.
>And that’s ok? On what grounds do you believe that the Lindens “audited” your account? Did they state this to you for a fact? And if you don’t intend harm, why go to another’s sim to antagonize them? I certainly never go to the Intlibber empire of Trashcanistan unless I have actual real business, i.e. a withdrawal from the ill-advised WSE, or an actual check of a parcel to recommend to a tenant if I’m fully occupied on commercial parcels — although I can’t in good conscience continue to make those recommendations anymore, seeing the unprofessional behaviour of the security goons.
Because of my contact with them shortly after your sim crashed. How did I antagonize you on your sim? I didn’t say a fucking word to you on your sim. I just floated there silently minding my own business. Are you trying to tell me that my tiny little badge that you have to cam in on to see antagonized you? You are pathetic.
Side note: The WSE is not located in Ancapitstan, toots.
>BTW, it’s “griefer” and “Medal”.
>>seeing the unprofessional behaviour of the security goons.
>>PNs and V-5s always imagine it’s them poking me with a stick; the hornest nest is being wacked by me, however, by exposing their lies.
If you wanna start correcting my spelling I can do the same. It’s spelled behavior not “behaviour,” hornet not “hornest”, and whacked not “wacked”
Utterly pathetic attack, Prokofy. You are a disgrace.
Jim Schack
Jul 9th, 2007
WitnessX, whatever. At least someone has the balls to tell it like it is devoid of political correctness and is willing to admit to who they are on every post.
Anonymous
Jul 9th, 2007
Yet again Prokofy your ignorance never ceases to amaze me. It should be noted that there has barely been any SL coverage on SA for quite some time – forums or otherwise, and any Safari articles were hardly about you, so why dont you crawl back into your hole, point the stick away from W-hat and go create more of your stupid buzzwords.
>Also it has been heavily noted that W-hat and the PN have been helping each other. Many of their members cross pollinate each other and there’s a “secret” alliance going on between them.
Oh wait where is your proof? Oh forget those tiny details, lets move onto a tangent about Tizzers and PN instead! That’s all you ever do, avoid the facts, and if there are any, manipulate them to suit your needs.
Brilliant
Jul 9th, 2007
Nice going protesters – you proved Prokofy was right about griefers being way out of hand.
Tizzers you liar. We’ve all seen the screenshots. IntLibber you liar. These are your boys.
Jessica Holyoke
Jul 9th, 2007
A few things,
Prok, Personal attacks based on my legal experience and education are no longer welcome. (Besides the fact that I don’t provide what that background precisely is due to wanting to keep my RL information private, so your attacks on my experience and education are mostly groundless anyway). Once you prove you actually know what you are tallking about, perhaps then I will accept legal commentary from you. Just because you can’t handle someone being smarter and more rational than you, doesn’t mean that you get to attack them and call them names. And stating that you know so much about law school without quoting a “where” or “why” is not going to support what I’m asking of you.
Regarding Mudkips Voom sign, last night I went to the about to be dismantled Woodbury section of Campus North, in order to verify what Prok was saying about Mudkips sign. I found the sign and examined it and purchased it for $0L. On rezzing, I found the creator to be Anonamoose Letlow, a mostly unused account from June 23, create the Prok sign on June 30th. But also by purchasing the sign, I received the texture of the sign. So its possible that Mudkips made his own sign using the texture he got from the protest. This is what I mean by facts.
Jessica Holyoke
Jul 9th, 2007
Forget to mention,
While at the protest, when I heard the Prokofy Neva chat attributed, no one at the time suggested that this was a capability of the puppet, that it can make chat appear by going on channel 2. The people present were discussing and reacting as if Prokofy was remotely monitoring the chat and responding. Again, the only reason I had to believe that it was Prok was that the attributed chat derided me for being there.
A Bothered Fox
Jul 9th, 2007
I was at this protest, not as a protester, but because it’s my home sim. While i pointed out that i thought the protest a bit excessive, and the members of the Herald were rarely seen, it obviously got everyone’s attention. I was the target of the derrogatory furry comment, and perhaps Tizz is right about the ToS, but intolerance is intolerance, and small-mindedness is small-mindedness. However, I don’t really care about the comments of tiny minded people, or I would have reported them, or just asked they be ejected. My point here is that the members of the protest were not, in fact, greifing. I was at the location from the moment the protest started until the moment the last person left, and there was no greifing by any member of the protest group. The motives of either side of this apparently raging battle are of absolutely no consequence to me, but before you spend all that time yammering about greifers and a conspiracy, be sure to see that they were actually greifing next time. Take Care.
Csven Concord
Jul 9th, 2007
Jessica, while SLH readers may be protesting, I now find that I more thoroughly enjoy visiting sites like Terra Nova.
btw, will you be marketing “Marxist Whore” products in SL? Seems like an excellent opportunity to me.
Melissa Yeuxdoux
Jul 9th, 2007
Online polls are all worthless. Even if there’s no active effort to skew the results, self-selected responses guarantees a non-representative sample.
Lo
Jul 9th, 2007
I love how all of you think you’re famous and important.
DaveOner
Jul 9th, 2007
“::yawns:: Do you guys ever go to a real bar or a real club? Just curious.”
Do you really want the public to be exposed to these kinds of people? They’re the kinds of people that yell at you for being too loud when enjoying yourself at a bar. They’re ironic hipsters without actually being hip.
I say keep them contained somewhere where they can be monitored…like in SL!
As far as Prok losing her “job” at SLH…where else will she talk that shit? She can’t go to the SL forums anymore!
The Herald writers for the most part write bad articles about good stories. If only good writers could be lined up with the good stories…then you’d get more than juvenile shit talkers looking at your site all the time! You’d be a reputable source of news and more people would come to the site for legitimate information. The nerve!
I personally would have shown up to the protest but I was busy enjoying my life instead of sweating an angry, lonely old woman.
Get over yourselves!!
Artemis Fate
Jul 9th, 2007
I do really agree with the whole thing, I really like(d) SL herald and have been reading it for a while, I like that the stories tend to be more about individuals and small groups rather than only big sort of SL headlines news, and that comments are usually lively with discussion. But, ever since they brought in Prokofy as a freakshow attraction for more pagehits, i’ve had to wade through article after article of long-winded spit-flying hate and vitriol conspiracy theories, seems like Prokofy writes most of the Herald stories these days. And Prokofy has that way, (the reason he was brought in in the first place), of spouting so many blatant lies, backing all these rumors and conjecture as fact, conspiracy as true, insulting and attacking people who’ve done nothing, that you feel you HAVE to respond out of some insane hope that you may shine a light of reason on him. But Prokofy is immune to reason and has taken thousands of people telling him he’s wrong, showing facts, proof, sound debate, in stride only to be meet with conspiracy theories and insults telling them that somehow their facts are wrong. No matter WHAT you say to him, will he change his mind, nor will he recant his position, he has been proved absolutely wrong with screenshots, logs, facts, etc. numerous times and even then he still kept his position, heartlessly insulting completely innocent people on conjecture alone. So I really don’t know why I even bother, besides to prove to others that he’s crazy, but by now, everyone knows that (except Prokofy who ritually denies it).
So really, firing Prokofy, for me, would help the herald immensely, but I highly doubt that Urizenus is going to give up his little freak show page-hit generator. So the question to ask is, are there any other publications out there like the Herald that have lively comments and have stories that tends to be more down to earth like that? I think, if so, i’m about ready to say that the Herald is ruined now, and to look for greener pastures.
SausageX
Jul 9th, 2007
@A Bothered Fox
If you act like the furry fandom/fetish is some kind of race, they won’t take you seriously.
SqueezeOne Pow
Jul 9th, 2007
I completely agree with Artemis here. I think the guys running SLH need to ask themselves what direction they’re going to be taking; News or Tabloid?
Prokofy Neva
Jul 9th, 2007
In fact, taking RL picture of people and making puppets about them; making false accusations of libel against them; these *are* forms of griefing and if the Herald property rentals or me, as a target, cared to abuse report it, it might very well gain traction.
I've found that in fact the Lindens will take action on demonstrations called only about one person, organized so as to taunt and harass.
I personally would never abuse report or stop such a peaceful demonstration, which is part of what free expression, even in SL, is all about. Public figures *should* be criticized.
Where you go off on a rationalizing and griefer-justifying tangent, however, is in your belief that you can take these cunningly malevolent plotters at face value. They deliberately skirt the TOS, and have some of the people on throw-away accounts do the actual sim scrashing and throwing around of anti-Semitic scripts and racist objects. They just fly around and titter gleefully. So you haven't observed enough of what they do to make an informed judgement on this. I have.
Prokofy Neva
Jul 9th, 2007
>Again, the only reason I had to believe that it was Prok was that the attributed chat derided me for being there.
Um, once again, this is achieved by using a talk script, it’s not rocket science. If you cannot see an avatar physically present on a sim, it’s not possible to be attributing chat to that avatar.
Now go back to studying for the bar, seriously, you’re in danger of not passing.
Prokofy Neva
Jul 9th, 2007
Artemis is one of those Internet personas who is impervious to reason and facts presented as objectively as they can be presented, and nothing will ever work to shake her cult-like tenacity on a comments board. She could have long ago retreated to Second Citizen and reined supreme, or opened her own site using her technical expertise, but she prefers to sit and snipe. She possesses a cult-like belief in the whole tekkie-wiki project because it enables her to feel powerful and overcome her anxieties and sense of powerlessness. We still rightly ask: is Artemis male or female in RL, and could that erm discrepancy lie at the root of her vicious attacks on me, so typical of a certain type of gay male or transgendered m2f in SL (they tend to hate me the most because they think they alone should pwn the whole TG thing and only people who have operations “count”).
If there weren’t these outrageous really exotic personal attacks and slams on me in the comments, and if it weren’t for the tenaciousness of that whole class of tekkie FIC types that Uri wrote about so effectively in his essay below, then there’d be no need for me to defend myself and rebut the falsehoods over and over again. I find it tiresome, and I can only reiterate my call: Artemis, if you truly believe I have engaged in “libel” on the Herald, find two other people who can post along with you with a specific charge of libel, with separate posts and IP, and let the Herald editors and me examine it. But you can’t. Because it’s just a griefing technique.
No one has yet to persuade me with any normal set of facts that Woodbury is anything but a conspiracy. No web page. No list of readings. No class number! Did you know that when you type in the class number and name “Virtual Worlds” to the website which normally pulls up this info at the Woodbury U site, first you get an error that says “You mean X?” then when you press on *that* it goes nowhere, the link is broken?! Now is that WIERD or what??? When you try to find out something about the “School of Digital Arts” you get a “coming soon” message. Now…is this grounds for suspicion that perhaps there isn’t really such a school or class, that this entire thing is either some lame prototype and “application” for a “class project” or is in fact an elaborate hoax or conspiracy? Of course it is!
Yet Artemis remains wilfully, obdurately blind about it, merely because it’s something “against Prok” so it “must be right”.
BTW, I also checked with Uri. Artemis often quotes Uri as saying I’m a crazy old cat lady. He denies it. I tend to believe him. Artemis’ continues to keep printing this lie because she figures she won’t get caught, and Uri never directly confronts her on it. I know that if Uri *did* call me names — which he does without batting an eyelash, famously saying “No. Sense. Of. Humour” during VW07 for example — he’d admit it. I’ve called Uri a sloppy-seconds ho for his Coke hype and Anshe-paid sojourns. It’s how we roll here at the Herald. So Uri would be eminently entitled to call me a crazy cat lady, but he’s probably called me something *else* an Artemis needs to get it right.
Prokofy Neva
Jul 9th, 2007
>The Herald writers for the most part write bad articles about good stories. If only good writers could be lined up with the good stories…then you’d get more than juvenile shit talkers looking at your site all the time! You’d be a reputable source of news and more people would come to the site for legitimate information. The nerve!
>I personally would have shown up to the protest but I was busy enjoying my life instead of sweating an angry, lonely old woman.
Why don’t you repair to the AvaTard, the Blingsider, the SLNN, there are gadzillion sites out there that cover even the same stories, and cover them as straight as a board. And I’m not angry, lonely or old, in fact. What are you?
: )
nidol
Jul 9th, 2007
lol, all I said was “oh so you’re one of THOSE furries”
it wasn’t that big of a deal, ya know, considering all of the intolerance I get for being in Woodbury. “go home PN fucktard” was one of the many things furries have said to me, but I don’t go whining about intolerance in news articles.
Jim Schack
Jul 9th, 2007
Artemis Fate,
Well after this debate and reading the feedback from it I think the best solution is to let her stay had hold up a mirror to her craziness until she realizes how crazy she sound to everyone. Sure people in Prokofy Neva Neva Land might buy her BS over some cans of tuna fish and packets of Meow Mix, but when her ideas get into reality people generaly regard it as rantings of a lunatic.
However, when anyone makes baseless claims about companies such as my own are involved in crashing her sim, that can hurty companies in the long run. Libel slander, regardless of who makes them, is wrong an immoral and can hurt.
However I do think my job exposing the con here is done. My attempts to make public hard evidence for her claims against me failed which resulted anyone who may have been neutral on the sanity of Prokofy, firm believers of how crazy she actually is and to take her less seriously than the Weekly World News. But when you take stories like “Satan meets with Saddam, bin-Laden and Batboy” no one will listen to you either.
Thank you Prok for showing my innocence of any wrong doing regarding your sim crashing and my company’s involvement in greifing with your lack of evidence and insane rantings.
It’s been real, it’s been fun. But not real fun.
DaveOner
Jul 9th, 2007
“…one of the many things furries have said to me, but I don’t go whining about intolerance in news articles.”
That’s because you’re not a protected class.
“Why don’t you repair to the AvaTard, the Blingsider, the SLNN, there are gadzillion sites out there that cover even the same stories, and cover them as straight as a board.”
Thanks for the info. I hadn’t heard of SLNN before. I think I’ll head that way next time! Do their “writers” spam their comments sections with malicious drivel, too?
And I’m not angry, lonely or old, in fact. What are you?” hehe I might have been one of the kids that picked on you in high school. Sorry I gave you these sociopathic personal issues!
You don’t sound happy or satisfied with your life. I assumed “old” because you remind me of the grumpy old lady that keeps the ball when the kids accidentally hit it into your yard.
SqueezeOne Pow
Jul 9th, 2007
Hey Prok! Does anything positive ever happen around you or are you a constant victim of circumstance? Just curious.
nidol
Jul 9th, 2007
>>Um, once again, this is achieved by using a talk script, it’s not rocket science. If you cannot see an avatar physically present on a sim, it’s not possible to be attributing chat to that avatar.
LOL, shows how much you know. It’s called LSL + communication to a PHP/MySQL backend. Not that difficult really, and 100% possible. But I wouldn’t expect an old crazy woman with no technical know-how to understand that. But please, continue trying to sound like a smart-arse, it’s amusing.
Anonymous
Jul 9th, 2007
Jim boy you have accomplished nothing but making yourself out to be just as much a tool as Prok. You barge into all the comments on articles like her. You trash and belittle anyone who doesn’t agree with your opinions or just happen to bring up facts against you. Yup, sure sounds like what Prok does. Funny thing is, to paraphrase one of your comments, you said you would never lower yourself to Prok’s level…well what are you doing? Being exactly like Prok. So stop being the bastard son of Prok and shut the hell up. You’re misrepresenting your company and tarnishing it with your inane comments and whatever personal grudge you have against Prok or anyone who doesn’t see things the way you do. Take it to emails, take to another form of communication, everyone is sick of you the same as Prok. Keep it up and I believe you should step down as VP of Blt BS Tnt Bnt or whatever the hell it’s called. Really, Inlibber (aka Intblubber or Intfibber), is really shining himself with his personal grudges being aired out in public (whether it be attacks on Prok or his little Furry Death Camp fiasco for revenge) and it really speaks volumes that he lets you run amok as you do as a comment troll.
You could have really made Prok look like a loon by letting Prok stand there spewing things and sitting quietly making her out to be a loon. You didn’t Jim boy. Instead of taking the high road you took the low road.
In the end though Jim boy…you are exactly the same as Prok it seems.
Jessica Holyoke
Jul 9th, 2007
Prok, I just wrote what I saw. If you want to see cunningly malevolent motivations, then that’s your perogative, and that of anyone else reading this article combined with the other news sources regarding Woodbury University. I tried to report what I saw without resorting to accusations of this person is saying something, but obviously they are lying.
And nidol, it was discussed at the protest that it is technologically feasible that Prok could be commmunicating via some other method, while the specific techniques you mentioned were not brought up. Because Prok did not acknowledge the ability to communicate while offline, either he doesn’t know about it, doesn’t know how to use it or is lying to be able to say how airheaded and extremist I am.
Reality
Jul 9th, 2007
Prokofy dearie – you do not get to call for evidence in anything until you are capable of providing your own.
Belief in an opinion does not make that opinion a fact dearie … Hard Data does.
Prokofy Neva
Jul 9th, 2007
>However, when anyone makes baseless claims about companies such as my own are involved in crashing her sim, that can hurty companies in the long run. Libel slander, regardless of who makes them, is wrong an immoral and can hurt.
If you don’t want to be accused of griefing sims, ASSHOLE, stay out of them when your GRIEFING BUDDIES are busy crashing them and stop gloating over it, then demonstrating against reporters who report the truth about it. Just a pro-tip.
Prokofy Neva
Jul 9th, 2007
>Thank you Prok for showing my innocence of any wrong doing regarding your sim crashing and my company’s involvement in greifing with your lack of evidence and insane rantings.
Your company has *indeed* been involved in crashing my sims by supporting Tizzers Foxchase and her griefing posse, even if you little fucktards can technically show that you didn’t pull the trigger, and I’ll repeat it again, in case you were unable to dig the pigshit out of your ears the first time: Do not fuck with me in Second Life or you will have to face consequences in First Life.
People who are NOT busy lying about their actual aiding and abetting of griefing groups aren’t a) in the sims hovering around during a griefing attack with particles, and shortly before a crash; b) joining groups like Anti-Voter 5, which Intlibber did, which falsely claimed my “endorsement” and even used my RL picture — even though I kept pointing out that everybody in it was being banned right and left; c) joining groups created to annoy and harass, like the Prokofy Fan Club.
People who are not complicit in griefing and assaults on sims don’t have to worry about “guilt by association” or “circumstantial evidence” because they don’t engage in these kind of fake alibis, like pretending they weren’t even on the sim at all, or not keeping their stories straight.
Stay. The Fuck. Off. My Sims.
Prokofy Neva
Jul 9th, 2007
>Really, Inlibber (aka Intblubber or Intfibber), is really shining himself with his personal grudges being aired out in public (whether it be attacks on Prok or his little Furry Death Camp fiasco for revenge) and it really speaks volumes that he lets you run amok as you do as a comment troll.
>You could have really made Prok look like a loon by letting Prok stand there spewing things and sitting quietly making her out to be a loon. You didn’t Jim boy. Instead of taking the high road you took the low road.
I don’t spew, and I don’t lie. But I fight back, and I bite hard, absolutely, when assholes crash my sims and lose me real money. Goddamn straight I do.
This fake kids’ espionage role-play thinks it’s a big kick to harass people like me they find as easy targets, but they have got another thing coming. And I certainly don’t fall for fake good-cop/bad-cop routines like Maelstrom Barphomet has tried on me last night.
If you kids insist on exstending your role-play of espionage and corporate sabotage on to my sims and business, I will kick you in the teeth. Back the fuck off. I do not stand by while two of my sims are crashed, and frankly, not even the Lindens do, which is why Tizzers fucking PARTNER is BANNED on his latest accounts.
Anonymous
Jul 9th, 2007
Hey prok, I bet you right now if I went on your sim and said hey to you, you’d bane me for being in the woodbury group. I dont grief either. I try to stay neutral.
YET, you would probably ban me based on the fact I’m with woodbury. So much for your whole argument. You also dont want to hear from anyone involved, you want to live in your own little world where things go as you say they do.
Mark
Jul 9th, 2007
Can I just say that I think both sides take teh internetz too srsly?
It’s like watching a food fight in a psyche ward.
Anyone with two brains cells or more can clearly see that these griefer groups are related to one another and any idiot can see that Prokofy is a tin foil hatted loon.
No wonder it’s so entertaining.
You got rats on the west side
Bed bugs uptown
What a mess this town’s in tatters I’ve been shattered
My brain’s been battered, splattered all over Manhattan
Anon
Jul 9th, 2007
>>YET, you would probably ban me based on the fact I’m with woodbury.
Woodbury is pretty much synonymous with /b/tard and to a lessor extend PN now. Oh well I don’t make opinions but that’s the way the majority see it now.
A similar thing happened with the W-hats and then they tried cleaning house. Hasn’t really worked completely for them and the many griefers still get into W-hat.
Jim Schack
Jul 9th, 2007
>If you don’t want to be accused of griefing sims, ASSHOLE, stay out of them when your GRIEFING BUDDIES are busy crashing them and stop gloating over it, then demonstrating against reporters who report the truth about it. Just a pro-tip.
Too bad I didn’t crash your sim, nor did any of my buddies.
>Your company has *indeed* been involved in crashing my sims by supporting Tizzers Foxchase and her griefing posse, even if you little fucktards can technically show that you didn’t pull the trigger, and I’ll repeat it again, in case you were unable to dig the pigshit out of your ears the first time: Do not fuck with me in Second Life or you will have to face consequences in First Life.
I never fucked with you in Second Life, not even by proxy, and if I did what are you gonna do about it?
>a) in the sims hovering around during a griefing attack with particles, and shortly before a crash;
I did no such thing. This is a new accusation.
>b) joining groups like Anti-Voter 5, which Intlibber did, which falsely claimed my “endorsement” and even used my RL picture — even though I kept pointing out that everybody in it was being banned right and left;
Never did.
>c) joining groups created to annoy and harass, like the Prokofy Fan Club.
We are allowed to talk amongst ourselves. There’s no violation of TOS there. Since it is an open enrollment group members who do harass you are not representative of the group.
>People who are not complicit in griefing and assaults on sims don’t have to worry about “guilt by association” or “circumstantial evidence” because they don’t engage in these kind of fake alibis, like pretending they weren’t even on the sim at all, or not keeping their stories straight.
Again, I never pretended i wasn’t there. This is another straw man argument. My story has always been consistent. Because someone who wasn’t there and only knew what I told him didn’t have the same story is irrelevant, in fact rather redundant to even bring up.
>Stay. The Fuck. Off. My Sims.
Though this doesn’t make sense when you break it up into multiple sentences, i understand your rantings. I won’t, one visit was more than enough.
Jessica Holyoke
Jul 10th, 2007
I feel that if someone Mutes you and keeps on talking to you, then that person is engaging in bad faith.
Just a thought.
Also, what did Maelstrom say that was good cop/bad cop?
Prokofy Neva
Jul 10th, 2007
FYI, BNT playing more good cop/bad cop RP:
Intblubber’s hired PR flak-catching bitch:
Madelena Rossini: Hi. You don’t know me, but I am a new employee at BNT. Well not so much an employee as a contractor. Of course I have been reading the blogs and see all sorts of things going back and forth, but I feel it is important for me to always get two sides of every story before I form an opinion. You may not want to talk to me, but I would appreciate it if you have the time. Just a little background on me. I am from the UK but live in the US. I am 34 years old and am ordained Pastor in the PC (USA). Not an easy job. Anyways, let me know if you would be comfortable talking to me, off the record an in private. Thank you for your time.
Prokofy Neva: No thanks, cut it out with the “good cop, bad copy routine” — go away, stay on your own sims with your RP spy games.
Prokofy Neva: Everything I have to say on the subject is on the Herald, bye!
Madelena Rossini: I am not a cop and I HATE spy games
Prokofy Neva: I don’t do off the record and in private
Prokofy Neva: blow me
Prokofy Neva: bye
Madelena Rossini: Are you ok?
Madelena Rossini: Seems to me like you have a lot of people giving you a hard time
Madelena Rossini: IF you ever gave me the chance, I would LIKE to help you
Prokofy Neva: help yourself sweetcakes, you’re in the wrong place if you don’t like playing police
Prokofy Neva: now run along, there’s a good girl
Prokofy Neva: MUTE
BAD COP
Intblubbler’s security goon:
Maldavius Figtree: Federal statute 18 U.S.C. 875(c): “…transmission in interstate or foreign commerce of a communication containing any threat to kidnap any person or any threat to injure the person of another,” is a federal felony, max sentence of 5 years and $250,000.
Prokofy Neva: See you in court, big guy.
MUTE
Prokofy Neva
Jul 10th, 2007
>[22:03] Maldavius Figtree: A message has been sent to the FBI regarding the
situation. As perthe prior stated statute
Like I said, see you in court. The FBI is welcome to come investigate the situation in Second Life, with their skills, I imagine it won’t take them long to find the real criminals.
Artemis Fate
Jul 10th, 2007
“Well after this debate and reading the feedback from it I think the best solution is to let her stay had hold up a mirror to her craziness until she realizes how crazy she sound to everyone.”
Prokofy has been screaming and ranting like this for years. Everyone knows she’s crazy by now (except Coco), the only one who can’t understand the obvious is Prokofy. Anytime someone points out how crazy she is, she just adds their name to a list titled “people who are out to get me”, which includes just about every person she’s debated with. I think even Coco has been taken on and off that list a few times when her usually unshakable support of Prokofy’s conspiracy theories faltered for even a second.
“Artemis is one of those Internet personas who is impervious to reason and facts presented as objectively as they can be presented, and nothing will ever work to shake her cult-like tenacity on a comments board. She could have long ago retreated to Second Citizen and reined supreme, or opened her own site using her technical expertise, but she prefers to sit and snipe. She possesses a cult-like belief in the whole tekkie-wiki project because it enables her to feel powerful and overcome her anxieties and sense of powerlessness. We still rightly ask: is Artemis male or female in RL, and could that erm discrepancy lie at the root of her vicious attacks on me, so typical of a certain type of gay male or transgendered m2f in SL (they tend to hate me the most because they think they alone should pwn the whole TG thing and only people who have operations “count”).”
That looks like it was written with some sort of madlibs.
Anyways, you’re a batshit crazy bitch Prokofy, want to know my proof that I’m not “one of those Internet personas who is impervious to reason and facts presented as objectively as they can be presented”, because I only go after you. You on the other hand, go after everyone with that sort of “cult-like tenacity” you think every group has some part in this vast conspiracy theory against you, and you show it in all your articles, you’re rarely positive and rarely talk about anything else besides marxist conspiracies and people who are out to get you.
Your utter craziness of course is obvious to absolutely everyone except yourself. And this of course isn’t going to make you recognize that, nothing will. Likely not even years of psychoanalytical therapy that you so DESPERATELY need.
Fuck you Prokofy, you can have Second Life Herald, i’m out of here.
Prokofy Neva
Jul 10th, 2007
>Tizzy Gazov: We need to settle this once and for all like decent people. This whole thing is getting out of hand and it’s causing nothing both unnecessary drama for both sides. I am not the super villain you think I am. I don’t sit here plotting and planning ways to cause you pain. In fact I spend most of my SL time shooting the breeze with Intlibber at the AVIX. If you don’t believe me I will allow you to see me on the map at all times. I don’t have anything to hide. So will you lay off with the conspiracy stuff?
Prokofy Neva: blow me
Prokofy Neva: MUTE
If you look at this profile inworld, you can see that Tizzers Gazov, taking the last name of her dear hubby banned serial-griefer Hazim Gazov, has a large version of the hand puppet made with my picture on her portrait.
If you were a normal person, not bent on griefing, not obsessed, would you have a hand puppet of a Herald reporter and rentals manager on your profile?!
Cocoanut Koala
Jul 10th, 2007
I could care less whether I’m on one of Prok’s list or another.
I say what I think.
coco
Prokofy Neva
Jul 10th, 2007
>Anyways, you’re a batshit crazy bitch Prokofy, want to know my proof that I’m not “one of those Internet personas who is impervious to reason and facts presented as objectively as they can be presented”, because I only go after you. You on the other hand, go after everyone with that sort of “cult-like tenacity” you think every group has some part in this vast conspiracy theory against you, and you show it in all your articles, you’re rarely positive and rarely talk about anything else besides marxist conspiracies and people who are out to get you.
There’s only a handful of griefers and apologists in SL. I expose them, and always have, and always will. Otherwise, I’d end up like Walker, writing apologia for griefers to get in the high-toned faux academia press and paid-for tech blogs and create and entire aura of lies around what is in fact garden-variety criminality.
I would say no more than a few dozen hardcore griefers ravage SL in this particular vein.You see them parade through the comments in the Herald constantly, and it creates the optical illusion of “everybody”.
Artemis, go fuck yourself.
Alyx Stoklitsky
Jul 10th, 2007
>Prokofy
“Do not fuck with me in Second Life or you will have to face consequences in First Life.”
AHHHHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
Excuse me, is that a THREAT?
A REAL-LIFE THREAT?
Is little Prokofy getting more and more agitated? Bawwwwww!
Jim Schack
Jul 10th, 2007
>Like I said, see you in court. The FBI is welcome to come investigate the situation in Second Life, with their skills, I imagine it won’t take them long to find the real criminals.
Prok, I filed the report. He just wanted to inform you I did. Normally I would just disregard such a threat but telling by your bi-polar paranoid schizophrenia and my willingness to reveal my RL identity in SL I think it’s the only safe route IMHO.
The FBI will not investigate what happened in Second Life because the crime was committed outside of Second Life which also shows your inability to determine what goes on in a fantasy world and what happened in reality by threating to commit acts of bodily harm in real life.
Therefore I posted the heads up to the FBI Cybercrime Unit to investigate the threat. I cannot afford what could possibly be a bloody situation from happening.
This will also be my final transmission with you. Good day.
Jim Schack
Jul 10th, 2007
>Prokofy has been screaming and ranting like this for years. Everyone knows she’s crazy by now (except Coco), the only one who can’t understand the obvious is Prokofy.
Yea, I’ve known this even when I first was contacted by her several months ago to unbanned her from the BnT Estate when I suspect one of the estate managers was harrassed by her (too long to recall exactly what the problem was)
However I felt it was necessary to set the facts strait and expose what her so called proof was. Most of the posts thereafter was mostly about helping her get discredited even more so which I notably achieved. However, I did not expect her resulting in threatening me IRL. Though I am not really afraid of her beating me up or anything like that, I cannot underestimate anyone’s ability to fight or craziness to pull out a knife, a gun or a broken bottle for that matter. I got enough things to worry about in my life that I should be concerned about a mentally ill woman making threats against me IRL.
Maldavius Figtree
Jul 10th, 2007
Your rudeness in world was astounding Prokofy. I am saddened by the fact that you must come here to peddle lies to people. I am in fact not “Intblubbler’s security goon:” and I take offense to such foolish and misleading remarks. I am a content creator within SL, and I do not take kindly to slander. Furthermore you misquoted the conversation.
Maldavius Figtree: Federal statute 18 U.S.C. 875(c): “…transmission in interstate or foreign commerce of a communication containing any threat to kidnap any person or any threat to injure the person of another,” is a federal felony, max sentence of 5 years and $250,000.
Prokofy Neva: See you in court, big guy
Maldavius Figtree: A message has been sent to the FBI regarding the situation. As per the prior stated statute
Second Life: User not online – message will be stored and delivered later.
Prokofy Neva: See you in court big guy, go for it! MUTE.
Your reporting style and tactics in saving and allocating information are not only a mockery of any formal news reporting company. They are shameful to pose to the public as truth.
Prokofy Neva
Jul 10th, 2007
Now Intblubber is blaming *me* for the drop in his share prices. Huh? How does *that* work??? If anything, it’s *my* business that could be construed as suffering by having goons and fake security chiefs overrun my sims, leading to down time.
Here’s the sort of threat I get in word typically from this creep:
“[0:39] IntLibber Brautigan: the facts are that your irresponsible pap that passes for ‘journalism’ is tortious interference in my business, every .25 L$ drop in my share price due to your slander is 100,000 US in damages to my company. Think on that.”
I have to really burst out laughing at this stuff — kind of reminds me of that kid who was going to have me spent the next 3-5 years in jail.
Um, my “slander” consists of me saying that Intblubber joined the Prokofy Fan Club, which is a griefing posse. Whoops, that was technically incorrect, it was only his chief goon faux house dick Jim Schack who joined, along with Thomas Shikami and others, whereas what Intblubber joined — now pay attention, because the people are ALL THE SAME — was Anti-Voter 5, a pro-Voter 5 group founded by a now-banned v-5er, and now run by the inevitable Tizzers and the Hazim re-spawns. The ranks of both these groups keep thinning as LL takes the griefers out, then fill up again as they re-alt.
So gosh, Intblubber didn’t technically belong to ONE griefer group created solely to harass me, containing false endorsements from me and avatars with my RL picture in their profile, and gosh, joined ANOTHER Siamese twin of this group — and then backed out before it could continue to discredit him.
Sigh. Do they really think we’re that stupid? That Intblubber’s own discrediting actions that he does all on his own with his investment three-card-monte capers are to be laid as blame at my doorstep? Huh?
And that even if by some wild stretch some “tortious action” could be found here — ROFL — that would actually be demonstrably leading to a quarter drop in the stock worth $100,000?
Um, well let’s see. Door No. 2! I’ll take the 3-5 years in prison, geez, I don’t have $100,000 ROFL.
No, if Intblubber suffers any reversals in Second Life, it will be because he aligned himself with a notorious and conspiratorial griefer movement in the belief he could buy them out, reform them, neutralize them, and use them on his ideological enemies; he sicced his security goons Jim Schack, Thomas Shikami, Malestrom Barphomet (pretending to be a “bystander”) off to demonstrate against me at the Herald office, replete with RL hand puppets and parody signs, and then people read about that, even those that dislike me intensely think, hmm, that’s wierd, what’s up with those people?
I know of at least one person who pulled out of Allenvest when they saw the griefing of me. Griefing costs lost business. That’s why it’s very, very peculiar for Intblubber to be hanging with Tizzers, who is like Typhoid Mary on any sim, harassing me over and over again, so that my tenants, clicking on the people hovering over the sims, see his groups, his names, and draw their own conclusion.
I do wish a journalist of record — from the RL with resources, attorneys, etc. — could take up the story of Mike Lorrey of New Hampshire, failed Libertarian Party state chair who has taken his cause into SL, first backing one stock exchange, the appearing to skedaddle out of that after the principle made all the money and the investors got screwed, and shifting over to another investment group, AVIX. I’m told these two entities have nothing to do with each other. Um, yes, ok. Well, I’d calculate how much I’d enjoy having my sims crashed, griefed, firebombed, and having my tenants forced out by these creeps before I’d begin to take on that story.
I’m happy to work with anybody who would like to do the RL and SL reporting, so do call!
Jessica Holyoke
Jul 10th, 2007
I was reading over the comments again when I noticed two things.
Prok is accusing me of not understanding property rights, again, without basis. At the same time, he did not provide the evidence for which I requested. If I am so obviously wrong, then he should be able to provide proof of what he is saying.
And now suddenly, only a true lawyer with real life experience can debate marxism? When did that happen? How is arguing dualing philosophies dependant on a knowledge of how the real world works? Isn’t this whole meme battle a construct of the internet? You are only showing your own irrationality again Prok.
Jim, I have been to meetings and gatherings where the main speaker’s chat came up as green text on my screen. Of course, that speaker was present on the sim in that situation. I thought it was a related piece of technology to allow offline communication.