Naughty Dreamscape’s Age-Verified KidsBotz
by Alphaville Herald on 01/09/09 at 8:12 am
“Dress them as often as you want… Or not at all”
by Pixeleen Mistral, National Affairs desk
Second Life residents seeking child avatars to enhance their virtual experience now have the option of playing with a perfectly behaved child. At the KidsBotz adoption agency in Waterton Way, bots dressed as children can be adopted for a L$2000 fee and L$899 per week.
According to Naughty Dreamscape’s notecard dispenser at the child adoption agency, the AI bots are connected to a chatbot system which “can even hold intelligent conversations, programmed to respond to over 3 million words and phrayses… Or you can tell them what to say… on real time”.
The notecard goes on to say that the child bots “can do just about anything a real person can do. They can walk, follow, sit, use pose balls, stand, fly, talk, shout, dance, attack, change clothing and MUCH much more… you have total control, you can reskin, shape and dress them as often as you want… Or not at all”.
pay the sign to adopt Naughty Putzo
Some Second Life residents may be concerned about child bots which can hop onto any sort of pose ball – particularly bots which are adult verified and can visit the adults-only sims. However, the KidsBotz adoption agency is on PG-rated land, so the children are safe until they leave the adoption agency.
Ageplay or no, the stakes in the artificial life game have now been raised beyond farming Sion chickens – why not raise your own Naughty Dreamscape child?
But giving your heart to an artificial life form comes with some risk. Chicken farmers endure waves of chicken killing and must pay endlessly for chicken food, or their pets will die.
KidsBotz parents must pay ongoing weekly fees, and worry about the possibility of virtual child kidnapping. The bots are claimed to be “REAL child avatars that stay logged in, 24/7 through the KidsBotz servers and await your commands”, so responsible e-parents will certainly worry about what strangers might do to Naughty Putzo and her siblings while they sleep.
The KidsBotz notecard:
Tired of adopting kids on Sl only to have them soak you for Lindens and Land, lie to you and bail? Now there is a better solution.
Thanks for visiting SL's most unique artificial intelligence. KidsBotz ae REAL child avatars that stay logged in, 24/7 through the KidsBotz servers and await your commands. They are the most well behaved kids on Second Life!
Our Kids have hundreds of functions. In fact, they can do just about anything a real person can do. They can walk, follow, sit, use pose balls, stand, fly, talk, shout, dance, attack, change clothing and MUCH much more…
They can even hold intelligent conversations, programmed to respond to over 3 million words and phrayses… Or you can tell them what to say… on real time.
Oh, and did we mention that you can choose the rate in which they grow? Or stay the same age forever? Because you have total control, you can reskin, shape and dress them as often as you want… Or not at all…
They can also be programmed to send instant welcome IMs to people that visit your land, Landmarks, Group Invites and even copy/trans inventory offerings. And they send it to people that visit your land, no matter where the child is on the SL Grid.
Also, all of our bots are Age Verified. However, since they must be teleported by you, in order to go to an adult sim, you must be Age Verified also.
The cost? You have TWO options:
Adopt one of our kids: 2000L Adoption Fee, and 899L Per Week Bandwith Fee
Make your own Child Avatar: 1000L Adoption Fee and 899 Per Week Bandwith Fee
Our kids only limitation is YOUR imigination.
Adopt your KidsBot today!
All Seeing Eye
Sep 1st, 2009
My rl parents were born too soon. I bet had these been around back during the post WWII endless cig and booze festival they would have enjoyed beating them daily. Especially because these kid bots can’t run away or tell the authorities about the abuse. And no tell tale bruises! My parents would have given these 2 coathangers up.
Someone leases club goer bots. I have seen’em.
The real future is in gynoids.
moses
Sep 1st, 2009
……okay. now you have to make a chris hanson bot….
Imnotgoing Sideways
Sep 1st, 2009
Right away, the way they’re advertising is such a boatload of stupid I don’t even know where to start. (=_=)
I wonder how long they expect to last considering LL’s recent habit of full account termination for doing so much as including a color matched flacid penis in a boy skin vendor. (=_=)
Sashi
Sep 1st, 2009
Being a child av myself, I think this is utterly disgusting. How can they expect to get away with this? To think of all the terrible things they could do with this, It is just sickening.
Miso Susanowa
Sep 1st, 2009
We pooled our money and purchased one of these “kid bots.”
Firstly, it isn’t “2000L” it is over 6000L, as they require you to pay upfront the first 4 weeks of “maintenance.” The bot refused to rez more than shoes and a head despite repeated relogging of both bot and avatar.
It is using the commonly-found inworld ALICE chatbot script. This script can be found on Xstreetsl for 20L, and is often found inworld for free; the daughter of the ELIZA chatbot script.
The bot itself is nothing more than a bad hack of an av-bot. So far, no response from the seller. 6000L later, we have a cheap hacked object with a hacked script (the original ALICE chatbot from SANS is no copy/no mod) available for 20L or less.
Miso Susanowa
Sep 1st, 2009
My previous comment was deleted :O This bot is using the common SANS A.L.I.C.E. chatbot script found on Xstreetsl for 20L. This company charges you 6000L UP FRONT for the first 4 weeks of “maintenance” PLUS the 2000L fee. The bot rezzed defectively despite repeated reloggings and re-rezzings. This is a rippoff.
Not to mention a toy for perverts.
Naughty Dreamscape
Sep 1st, 2009
I am a little perplexed by the way this site writes about their agendas. Pixeleen Mistral came to me today under the false pretense of wanting to write a story about a new business. In fact, she had already written the story and was just looking to further her bias agenda.
Let me clear a few things up:
1) We have a strict set of rules regarding oour kids and their usage. They can not be used as land, traffic or camping bots; they can not partake in ANY adult situations of any kind, among others. They also can not be used in any manner that violated the TOS.
2) Its disgusting how she quoted part of our notecard at the top of this article to make it look like you can roam our kids around naked. If you read the notecard completely, you would see that it was meant that you dont have to reskin, reshape or redress them to make them grow up.
3) We created KidsBots because after listening to several experiences of people adopting avatars with real kids behind the computer, only to find them selves scammed out of land and lindens in exchange for false effection.
Is it possible that someone could use the child for something not intended. If course it is, and when we find out, we would revoke their adoption immediately and report them to LL.
Of course, since they can just open alt accounts themselves, they certainly dont need a KidsBot to do something derranged.
The people that came to my store todat had a chat with one of our bots yestarday and shared the conversation with me. In fact it was them that tried to manipulate the child into having a sexual and perverted conversation with them. Our bots run on technology from the ALICE project, a project designed to teach children how to use computers and write in code languages.
As any artificial intelligence, if they dont understand a question, they reverse it and return it as a statement. Ask enough sexual questions, and you may get a bad response. Is that the software problem? Or a problem with the person attempting to corrupt it.
If a person comes on Sl as a child and violates the TOS, do you blame SL, or the person? Same with KidsBots, once they are adopted we dont control them any more. We can only supervise and correct violations when we see them.
Thank you,
Naughty Dreamscape
Marianne McCann
Sep 2nd, 2009
What the heck?
Liar Liar pants on fire
Sep 2nd, 2009
I call Bullshit on you Naughty!
“We have a strict set of rules”. Oh yes we do. Oh no you mustnt do anything “adult” with them oh noes. That’s why we make sure that they are all adult-verified – just to make sure that you can, sorry, cannot do anything “adult with them. We also make sure you know *you* have to be adult-verified too before you teleport them to any land flagged as adult.
“We created KidsBots because after listening to several experiences of people adopting avatars with real kids behind the computer”. Excuuuuse meee??? REAL KIDS BEHIND THE COMPUTER?????
“only to find them selves scammed out of land and lindens in exchange for false effection.” And of course we aren’t scamming people out of Lindens in exchange for false EFFECTION* – noes not us. [*FFS the word is Affection]. “Our fake children give real affection in exchange for your real Lindens”.
Seriously if there aren’t a fistful of TOS violations here then there has to be at least a falsification of the adult verification process. How can a bot be adult-verified without lying during the verification process?
At0m0 Beerbaum
Sep 2nd, 2009
This is all coming from someone named Naughty Dreamscape who is making child robots NOT FOR SEX AT ALL NO SIR NOT ALL.
LOL.
Everest Piek
Sep 2nd, 2009
To the notecard quoted above: “Kids that are strippting you off land or money”, you should see those “kids”. Their are faster on a black list than they will find new parents. To be a Kid in SL is more than to have pocket money. In the contrary: My SL-Mother Connie gave me money only once and I never had asked her for money anyways. She gave it to me to buy an item and I only reluctantly agreed and forced her to agree to take the money back asap. Being a Child in SL is about the fun you cannot have as a “Grownup” in SL. Acting foolishly, sometimes even completely wrong, without having to fear the consequences an Adult would have to. Those cheaply made bots wont last long, I am pretty sure. it takes more than a kid shape and some nicely set phrases to have a child in sl you can hang your heart on.
Everest Piek
Sep 2nd, 2009
“They can walk, follow, sit, use pose balls, stand, fly, talk, shout, dance, attack, change clothing and MUCH much more…”
odd that they shall attack…or follow.
i had a bunch of perverts asking me in these 2 years i am on about becoming their slave. they mostly ended where all tos-violators are ending. and this is sounding to me VERY similar.
siting on poseballs can be ok to have breakfast. but there are other poseballs i wouldnt like to see any kid-av at all on. its all going to the old “ooh look, another kid av in a perverted scene” and soon there will be again calls for banning kid avs again.
Gloria Stitz
Sep 2nd, 2009
Naughty Dreamscape said “We created KidsBots because after listening to several experiences of people adopting avatars with real kids behind the computer,”
You didn’t really just say this, did you? Oh wait, you did.
Also, bots designed as kids, given adult verification so that they can be taken onto the adult grid. For what purpose? Could you elaborate? Oh wait, I’d rather you didn’t on account of how I’ll vomit over my desk.
Nenner Neener Neener
Sep 2nd, 2009
I’m confused, as to why a premade avi is more than the one you actually make.. you would think it would be more… either way you’re shellin out more money for this “bot” (which I thought wasn’t allowed in sl??) then you would for a “real” kid .. at least in all the families i’ve ever been in (over the span of 5 years), i’ve NEVER just been given money freely … All the stuff I have, I got it myself or was lucky enough to have nice people give me a few things
Winne Woodget
Sep 2nd, 2009
What a stupid idea! How can a bot do any of the cool things a real SL kid can??!
SL kids like to go the park, ride bikes and other fun stuff. A bot cant do that on its own. I guess anyone that wants a bot to interact with is a bit lonely…
Naughty Dreamscape
Sep 2nd, 2009
First, i said POSE BALLS, not SEX BALLS. Again, we do not allow our kids to be involved in ANY sexual situation. If they do and are caught, their adoption is terminated immediately.
Second, there are many very good adoptable kids out there, you all may very well fit into that catagory. Ours are just an additional option.
Third, bots are 100% legal on second life as long as they are serving a purpose and arent for generating fake traffic or camping.
Fourth, yes our bots are age verified because many people live on sims that require age verification. Since to get there, our kids MUST be teleported there by their master, the master must also be age verified. They cant go at an age verified sim alone.
Fifth, ONLY the kids master can control it. No one can come in the “middle of the night” and molest it. We also provide a save parking area for the child that the adopted parent can bring the chilod when they are off line. The adoptable parent can also turn the bot off at it’s convenience.
As for the “potiental” of it’s misuse… Sure, we can monitor everyone, all the time to see what they are doing with them…. SL will also allow people to make ALT accounts which they could log on and do the bad same things if they wanted… Would that be SL’s fault? Should LL close down now too?
We make it against the rules, in our TOS, we also require all parents to follow LL’s TOS. ANY violation, will get their adoption revoked and reported to Linden Labs.
Maybe if we MUST close KidsBots down, we should also ban the use of ALL child avatars, after all, anyone can make one, buy a child skin, shape and clothing, and then use the avatar for bad things…. I mean if this is REALLY about a safety pixel child issue, it has to be safety all around, right?
KidsBots arent designed as a replacement for real kids. They are just an alternative option for those who dont want real kids…
The solution is easy, if you dont like them, please don’t adopt one. Not everything is for everyone. However, please do not come to our store to cause trouble as some of you have, or you WILL be added to Banlink.
Should you wish to come and see how they REALLY work, and talk to me personally, feel free to give me an IM.
Caitlyn Clawtooth
Sep 2nd, 2009
“First, i said POSE BALLS, not SEX BALLS.”
You do realize they are the same to a computer right? The LSL call is the same, it is only the animation that is different.
“Again, we do not allow our kids to be involved in ANY sexual situation.”
The person who told me about them has ONLY seen them in those situations. You might want to follow up on your customers better.
“Ours are just an additional option.”
If you are comparable, did you even LOOK at adoption agencies in SL? They have walls of pictures. Your place looks more like a slave auction or a showroom.
“our kids MUST be teleported there by their master”
Interesting word choice. I notice you did not say ‘parent’.
“Maybe if we MUST close KidsBots down, we should also ban the use of ALL child avatars, after all, anyone can make one, buy a child skin, shape and clothing, and then use the avatar for bad things”
There already is a rule against sexual ageplay so the person using a child avatar in a sexual situation would be in violation. You are saying your kid bots are exempt from the same rules everyone else has to follow? Good luck playing language lawyer with LL.
I wonder how many hundreds of ARs your bots and store have garnered so far?
Laura Norder
Sep 2nd, 2009
Hey, are these things killable like the chickens at all? O.o
You know Naughty Dreamscape, I do so LOVE the way you keep referring to the “kid’s master”. Not the “kid’s parent” or “kid’s father” or “kid’s mother”. You keep saying “kid’s master” and doesn’t that just invite some interpretations…..
Pappy Enoch
Sep 2nd, 2009
“Hey, are these things killable like the chickens at all?”
NOW we gits to the important issue: what about them chikkins?
Vox Populi
Sep 2nd, 2009
Now in all fairness, we’ve got to be reasonable about this because let’s face it, some people will look for the bad in everything. We decided we needed to ask the average person in the street whether these bots could be viewed as unsavoury. Luckily we found someone willing to make a statement and here are his thoughts on the matter…..
http://i592.photobucket.com/albums/tt6/NormanDLanding/6a00d8341bf70253ef0120a592d285970c-.jpg
Ari Blackthorne
Sep 2nd, 2009
I find it humorous that regardless of what you think of the idea, Naughty Dreamscape appears to be one of the ridiculously FEW actually using their own name in these comments.
Yet everyone with a rabid response relies on the anonimity of a false name. Such is the Herald.
It’s the same over-the-top vitriolic bullshit you people freak-out over like the whole “counterculture” whining bitch-fest. All you people need to get a fucking clue. If pedophilia is the first thing that pops into your heads in response to this stuff then it speaks volumes about what’s in your heads to begin with. Such proclivity to think of this first sure gives insight into your own perverted minds.
Yes, all of you that brought it up (even though Piceleen obviously wrote the story to hugely slant in that direction, it wasn’t specifically mentioned as being the purpose of the bots. – But that’s Herald sensationalism for you.)
@Naughty Dreamscape
As for you, not very bright. Gullible, in fact. I would even go as far as to say you are a Dim-wit (see point number one below). Sorry if what I say hurts, but truth hurts.
First of all if you are going to start a “Kids Bot” business, it would have been BETTER to use an account with a DIFFERENT NAME. I mean c’mon. Any child-sized avatar in SL – no matter how ‘innocent’ and ‘wholesome’ they intend to be, but who’s name is NAUGHTY DREAMSCAPE sends all kinds of FUCKED-UP and WRONG ON ALL LEVELS of message. Dim-wit.
With that in mind, exactly what kind of responce do you expect to a story about this ‘business’ – no matter WHAT blog it’s told on? What you have here is what you asked for whether you realize it or not.
Second – every one of your alts that you use for these kidbots should explicitly NOT be adult verified. There is one reason and one reason only to adult-verify any account that will be portrayed as a kid. Oh, and your account name kind gives that very implication all by it’s fucking self. Get a clue.
The only reason anyone who plays a kid might get adult verified is for those times they choose to wear a different adult/fantasy shape and look. And even that is kind of suspect I think. But: meh.
However a BOT that is intended to be a CHILD BOT being adult verified?
Third: sorry you didn’t see it coming. But if I see Pixeleen, Tenshi or anyone else who writes for the Herald or Shopping Cart Disco even land in the same sim where I do business or hang-out… I am OUT OF THERE before they finish rezzing.
Ironically, as much as I like to slam on them (personally even), this time it’s not intended that way. But seriously, they write to get eyeballs and to get eyeballs is to sensationalize whatever they write about. Fine, more power to them.
And because I know that’s what they do, I see them coming then I walk the other way. LOL
So let us recap for your own edification, shall we?
1) Your name seems to say or and the very least seriously impresses “let’s fuck!” all over it.
2) You create bot accounts that you intend to be “children” – and ADULT VERIFY them
1+2 = “Wink. Wink. Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell”
3) You see anyone from the Herald coming along, expecting any kind of ‘fair shake’ in the story you give
3 = Gullible as hell.
“Wink. Wink. Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” + Gullibility = What you got now.
Naughty Dreamscape
Sep 2nd, 2009
Hi Vox,
I can appreciate your comments, as they seem to be fair and two sided (Even though its kinda vulgar).
I have had this name since I joined Second Life, and I have been in many businesses here with this name. While I do also play a kid avatar sometimes, Naughty Dreamscaoe is an adult and I bet you will never, ever see it in a sexual situation on Second Life.
MANY people know me, and know my reputation and integrity. In fact, if I opened as an ALT and hid the name, I think there would have been a whole other can of worms. I have nothing to hide, so I dont.
There is no “Dont Ask, DOnt Tell” policy. In fact there is a “ZERO TOLERANCE” Policy. Funny thing is that the people on here that claim they have seen otherwise are flat out lying. We have been open for 4 days, yes FOUR. We bought thye land on Augist 24 and it took us almost a week to make the kids and get the doors open. In that time, we have adopted our 4 kids, yes FOUR.
Three of them were adopted by people I know and trust. The other was adopted to a gentlement who is evaluating them for a SL Kids Radio Show, which I have gladly agreed to be on this Saturday. So those who CLAIM to have seem our kids in the past doing bad things… FLAT OUT LIES.
We have a VERY strict usage policy in place to insure that our kids are not used in any adult oriented manner.
1) Before we finalize any adoption, an adoption questionaire must be filled out and approved by our counselors after a IM conversation.
2) Every one of our kids has in it’s profile that if anyone sees our kids doing something inappropiate to contact KidsBotz immediately for review.
3) While we can not see everything that our kids are used for, and we do NOT log conversations, all commands, ojject usage, and pose balls are logged and we can use them in determining violations of our TOS. (Believe it or not MOST pose balls have nothing to do with sex… There are lay in kids beds pose balls, reading pose balls, coloring pose balls, etc.)
4) Any violation or our’s or SL’s tos, buy using the child in an adult manner will caus ethe adoption to be revoked immediately, without refund, as well as the the owner being reported to our contacts at Linden Labs.
5) Our kids are not cheap to adopt. This is for 2 reasons… First, our servers cost a lot to maintain. Second, a higher priced child may deter rift raff from trying to adopt them for unscrupulas reasons.
6) We now have a HUGE sign with the rules in the store. It stated that the store is “G” rated and we do not allow ANY sexual content. Those who adopt the bots are reinformed that the bots are for kid related purposes as well and of our ZERO TOLERANCE policy.
6) The reason that our kids are Adult Verified is because many people actually live on sims that you need to be verified to be on. Since ONLY the child’s adopted parents can teleport them there, they in fact need to be adopted to. It has NOTHING to do with providing any type of sexual content. Again, we have a ZERO tolarance policy.
Of course, as we said we can not monitor every person who adopts a child here 24/7, however nor can the makers of the people that make kid skins, shapes or clothing after a sicko may buy their products. However, its nice to know that we DO take the above steps to attepmt to make sure it does not happen.
Furthermore, those who have come to me with suggestions on making them more secure so that they cant be used in adult situations, we have taken and implimented them. Agsin, we have a ZERO TOLARANCE policy. ANYONE caught using our kids for ANYTHING other then normal child activities will not only have their adoption taken away immediately, but we will report them to LL ourselves.
It is against the TOS to use child AVIs for ANY type of sexual age play. I would expect LL to inforce the TOS in regards to ANYONE that uses our kids or ANY child AVI for that purpose.
Its ironic that this site is for “exposing” the way they see things wrong on SL, using a VERY slanted view. Any REAL journalistic site would verify facts BEFORE writing an article like this. But then I guess they have to live up to their motto “Always Fairly Unballanced”
Im sure those who only wanna think the worst about anything they dont want to understand will try to rip this post apart.
Ok well, i tried to explain myself, I wont be posing on this EXTREAMLY one sided web site again. If anyone wants to contact me with ideas making the kids even more secure, im always open to suggestions.
beatrix the noobslayer
Sep 2nd, 2009
“First of all if you are going to start a “Kids Bot” business, it would have been BETTER to use an account with a DIFFERENT NAME. I mean c’mon. Any child-sized avatar in SL – no matter how ‘innocent’ and ‘wholesome’ they intend to be, but who’s name is NAUGHTY DREAMSCAPE sends all kinds of FUCKED-UP and WRONG ON ALL LEVELS of message. Dim-wit.”
I’m laughing my ass off here. the sick thing is I was thinking the same thing lol.
What cracks me up is the suckers that fall for her ad line. “Tired of getting scammed by child avs? then rent a kid from me for 2000 lin plus monthly fees”
Right like the few jerk scammers actually took more then that even once right?
Where’s the parentsbotz for the child avs that get adopted, abused and then dumped?
Face it there are jerks everywhere and you’ll never get anywhere running off and making friends with a soulless bot.
But really this gets a little sicker, my friends went and got one to see what it does and it actually asked who it’s master will be. So um draw your own conclusions from that.
fenisha21
Sep 2nd, 2009
can i play this and do we have sex???
beatrix the noobslayer
Sep 2nd, 2009
”
Also, bots designed as kids, given adult verification so that they can be taken onto the adult grid. For what purpose? Could you elaborate? Oh wait, I’d rather you didn’t on account of how I’ll vomit over my desk.
”
some people live on the adult grid. The adult grid is not all adult stuff but a place where verified adults can go to and feel safe that they are not hitting on a 13 year old girl aved up like a very adult supermodel with gigantic who-whos. Child avs are allowed if they are age verified. I understand its not all adult material.
beatrix the noobslayer
Sep 2nd, 2009
“can i play this and do we have sex???”
at 6000l? there are cheaper ways to get your account banned.
Sage Kostenbaum
Sep 3rd, 2009
When told about these Kid Botz by my fellow radio show hosts, I was extremely confused. I couldn’t figure out why someone would want to rent a robot as a child. As a child avatar and know several SL children (they are adults in RL, not children behind the computer) who have been adopted, MOST families don’t shell out money to their kids. However, some do, but most do not. And, if they are being swindled out of their Lindens who’s fault is that anyway? The “parents” and the “children” are all adults. And, as far as the adults being lied to and then being bailed on, many parents do the same thing. In fact many adults adopt a child, get bored with the novelty of it and leave. It happens on both sides. But, anyway..
I did visit the KidBotz Adoption Agency, and actually found the bots entertaining, and the one I was talking to enjoyed that I found our conversation “amusing”. LOL! Towards the end, I thought, “Hey I’d like to get one of these to follow me around. *giggle*” I do like the look of Webbie Ragu. Anyway, that’s besides the point. I like some things these bots have to offer. It’s nice that you can reskin them (cuz the boys look like girls), and change their clothes. And, it’s actually cool that you can choose the rate at which they grow.
But, unfortunately, if SL parents want to adopt a child who has “artificial intelligence” and no feelings (I asked Naughty Twine if she had feelings. She said she was a robot so she didn’t… and, what’s with the name Naughty?? LOL) that’s up to them. I mean, they are missing out on meaningful relationships, which many avatar families have experienced.. because the people behind the computers had a connection and became RL friends and cared about each other. But, on the other hand, several adults find it disgusting and inappropriate that other adults “play” child avatars, so these are great for them, cuz no one is behind the computer. But, keep in mind, as mentioned several times by previous posts, you may not be “adopting kids on Sl only to have them soak you for Lindens and Land, lie to you and bail”, but you will be paying a weekly “allowance” of 899L a week. I guess that’s not too bad, about a dollar a week. That’s less than a cup of coffee! : P
At any rate, we’ll be sharing our feelings on this topic on the Milk N Kookies Show (every Saturday, 12 Noon SLT… hehehe… plug!!) this Saturday, September 5, 2009 . I’m sure we all have different opinions.
So, Ms. Dreamscape, when will you be creating Parent Botz? : D
Albert Ross
Sep 3rd, 2009
“some people live on the adult grid. The adult grid is not all adult stuff but a place where verified adults can go to and feel safe that they are not hitting on a 13 year old girl aved up like a very adult supermodel with gigantic who-whos. Child avs are allowed if they are age verified. I understand its not all adult material.”
It took me a while for this to sink in I have to admit.
Firstly, everyone on the grid is meant to be over eighteen regardless.
Secondly, the Herald recently reported on how easily the age verification system was defeated so that destroys another aspect of your argument.
Thirdly, the adult grid while in theory is not all about “adult” material, in fact a visit will show a different impression or at least it has done in my own experiences and the experiences of those I know.
Finally, you point out that the adult grid is not all about sex and yet you quantify that statement by pointing out that it’s a place where people can go to hit on people without worrying about whether the person is in fact underage. So your own argument appears to be that the adult grid is somewhere to go for hitting on people.
Hey.
Wait a second here.
I just realised something.
These are bots, right? Not real people, right? So how the fuck do you age verify something that has no actual age? What personal data did you provide for these bots to show they are in fact able to be “adult verified”? Someone needs to look into this NOW because it seems to me that you’re either using genuine identification improperly or you’re cheating the age verification system as I mentioned above.
Jordz
Sep 3rd, 2009
As per any innovation, a creative intellectual property is subject to appeal or enrage someones personal thoughts, tastes, ideals and moral standards. The kidbot in its ideal is a very harmless item, what is disgraceful is the reasons and statements behind the very existance of the kidbot.
It was recently stated by Naughty Dreamscape – was according to her advertisements “Tired of adopting kids on Sl only to have them soak you for Lindens and Land, lie to you and bail?
What in effect here is a 2 way problem and a selling point that yet again undermines SL children by those adults who choose to berate, undermine and bully such adults who choose to RP within SL. And this should not be tolerated.
What is in effect here is a 2 way problem…
One – is a personal biased view based on what may be a negative personal adoption experience – which in no way represents the majority of adopters experiences in SL. Maybe a small percentage..but I guess its low. berhaps you could place your reserch data on this subject. I myself would be interested to see it.
However on that note,there is a valid point.
As with all people, there are good and bad personalities. The people behind the avatars are no different. There are those children who strive to help others, create better environments and create belonging. In contrast there are those only interested in their own personal needs, create disharmony and unhappiness to others and some will stoop at nothing to achive this, despite how low thier own morality goes.
So there is already a conflicting view, and within that view -each opinion is only relevant to each individuals experiences and feelings.
The second problem is cost, as per the advert states
“Adopt one of our kids: 899 Lindens a week plus a one time, 1000 adoption fee.”
or
“Make your own Child Avatar: 899 Lindens a week, 500 adoption fee.”
By any rate of standards, no child I have heard of in any way gets a 899 ls dollar per week stip, if they did , they perhaps would have more reasons to stay ” and “parents” would have more reason to look after thier children as “investments”.
There is no real answer, as many again will have differing opinions and relevant arguements, however …
However..the kidbot I find demeaning not only to my SL existance but to to all children, to think we could be “replaced”, and will this have further more serious repercussions for all us kids in SL?
So in all respects..the kidbot is not the answer.
Where the answer lies is within the Adoption agencys procedures and operating standards. by default do a good job, however what should be a reasonable request is for the Adoption agencies to change procedures, to meet the kidbot competition and also provide peace of mind to both adoption participants.
At the present time, I myself have the view that anyone can setup a few panels and call themselves an adoption agency. But in reality , its little more than a ” pay and go service. The adoption centres make money from the adopter and the adoptee, which is not what its about!!
Sure , the payment panels cover some operating costs, but like all facilities that deal with such reponsibilities of adpotion, many forget the importance and the responsibility “human emotional distress”, when things do ” and have gone wrong. And this needs to be addressed.
By this an idea would be to perhaps make a clause that a weekly stip is payable to the adoption agency, which is then transferred to the adopted child a month in arrears. This way the allowance is an added bonus for being good and the payment can be stopped should the child bail.
Although in RL, not many children were fortunate in having an allowance. But personally when I did get my RL allowance as a kid, it was fantastic. It was a reward for showing you could do well and do positive things by a means of buying your own toys, comics, candy etc.. And as RL adults, we still hold those values in our RL jobs etc.
Although some people may say, but providing an allowance is wrong, well in my opinion its not. Its a sure way of making sure there is no loopholes. As such things as banning such longstanding bad example parents and children from adoption boards can easily be bybassed by the way of an alt etc…
But money is money… and if an investment in a family is to be made, then it roots out the casual freeloaders and crappy parents, and replaces them for those who will take adoption seriously.
Sure perhaps later , that child may choose to give back the money to the parent, if he or she feels that the family is enough. But it is a great insurance policy. And again, that child may still bail, but no family is stable and sure. And above all, in RL family costs parents, SL should be no different in its values.
In my accounts I am lucky, I have a great Dad in SL. Who is very warm hearted, interested, often there when I need advice – and above all there is belonging. If you are in SL for the experience and to build a better life, you do invest your own money, so most of us dont look for handouts.
My previous family was not like this, in fact my dad actually asked me for gifts, which was totally unacceptable. So there is an instant retort to Naughty Dreamscape statements, you can get some very bad parents too.
Lastly I take great offence when you stated “Maybe if we MUST close KidsBots down, we should also ban the use of ALL child avatars, after all, anyone can make one, buy a child skin, shape and clothing, and then use the avatar for bad things”
This my dear is slanderous to many, as here you suggest that because of a few unthinking people who choose to have sex as children with adults in a “fantasy situation”, we should be duly punished in one mass genocide. I remember from history ,one such person thought that, and it was the the most hidious examples of what one persons opinionated and biased view of social perceptions could do if left unchallenged.
Which leads us to the problems of how unreasonable it is, when those of us who choose to create a SL kid personas and invest heavily in the SL economy, are constantly undermined and devalued and in effect bullied in the eyes of some Second live adults and to some degree – LL themselves. But this is another story… However, most kids own more land, more money, more stores,develop more creative developments and innovations, creations of communities etc. So how dare some ppl tar us all with the same brush and say all kids do is have sex. True there is a small percentage of those who have been reported who do, but again, thats not the majority.
However, I have not seen many SL adults taking a vow of celibacy or being clean living themselves. So perhaps this needs to be addressed before “the pot calls the kettle black !” Lead by example I think is the famous last words….
What in effect here – is a 2 way problem
One – is a personal biased view based on what may be a negative personal adoption experience – which in no way represents the majority of adopters experiences in SL.
The kidbot is to me demeaning as an SL kid, and should be taken off the system. Or perhaps you have a further expansion to create the Parentbot, for those of us kids who had crap parents, who tried to scam us??
But above all..if the TOS is whats bothering you, then is making Age Verification manditory a viable option? . But then again policing that is difficult, as any bright RL kid who’s determined to be on SL, will “and has used” the likes or personal details, credit cards etc on parents names to benifit such underagers accounts.
So..what am I saying ?
I’m saying the TOS is flawed to begin with, in more ways than one. We have had it all,Such as banning S.L children for simply being in swimwear, being anatomically correct, for being in land classed as “mature areas” , for being nude in a nudist colony etc… cause some people are too thick to understand the difference and meanings between Mature, Adult and what is classed ” or should be SL classed as ” X rated areas or actions”.
And of the opinions of those – whose high and mighty, self opinionated concepts of personal RL morality are used in a way to detract from their own RL deficiencies, as a weapon to those who dont conform with thier own views. . Sure there needs to be some rules, but not to the opinions of the uneducated and the moronically one dimensionioned thinker.
Time us kids were respected. Maybe we should start ARing adults who choose to still have ignore clear TOS and have sex on mature areas…LOL, I’m sure the tides and own personal reasonings and values will soon change to fit your own situations. And finally get a taste of your own medicine
Emily Quinsette
Sep 3rd, 2009
Jordz-
Just when I thought the creepiest thing on this page were the kiddy sex robots, you come along and outcreep them all with your cry for e-child rights. Great job.
sev
Sep 3rd, 2009
Nobody is going to read that crap and the only type of person who’d post something that long in a topic like this is some creepy internet pedo defending their “right” to be a creep.
Everest Piek
Sep 4th, 2009
Well, Emily, I can’t agree with you. Some ppl are kids at heart and i have to tell you: not evryone is thinking the ways you are apparently doing. therefore such a long post is more than “creepy crap” as you call it. why didnt you just read what albert had to tell? – oh…wait – that would have meant for you to think…sorry, but thats how it sounds to me. casting stuff off like that isn’t really telling about intelligence.
beatrix the noobslayer
Sep 4th, 2009
“It took me a while for this to sink in I have to admit.
Firstly, everyone on the grid is meant to be over eighteen regardless.
Secondly, the Herald recently reported on how easily the age verification system was defeated so that destroys another aspect of your argument.”
Argument? I wasn’t arguing, I was explaining. That’s what I understand the Lindens created the adult content for. Yes we are all supposed to be 18 and over but younger people sneak in. *shrug* its not a perfect system but they created it and child avs are allowed there.
“Finally, you point out that the adult grid is not all about sex and yet you quantify that statement by pointing out that it’s a place where people can go to hit on people without worrying about whether the person is in fact underage. So your own argument appears to be that the adult grid is somewhere to go for hitting on people.”
Oh I’m sorry you are unfamiliar with the way I talk. See I was pointing out that people form relationships be they sexual or non sexual, in sl all the time. Some people though have a nice sexual relationship only to find out later their partner is 15 years old in real life.
theoretically an age verified place will save them of that trouble so if they wish to hit on someone they are allowed to. This in no way should tell you that the place is only for sexual actives it should tell you that people can be more at ease and talk to other people as if they are adults because they should be. Adults on occasion talk about sex and frankly people hit on each other in a lot of places, doesn’t mean that place is for sex they are merely asking if that’s a possible outcome of their encounter.
but frankly I don’t even know how bots works so I don’t know how they get verified.
Emily Quinsette
Sep 4th, 2009
Everest-
I read what Jordz wrote, hence my opinion. That my opinion differs with his and yours is fine, that’s how it works. But learn to spell words like ‘people’ and ‘everyone’ and various other rules of punctuation and capitalization before you lecture me about intelligence.
beatrix the noobslayer
Sep 4th, 2009
“Nobody is going to read that crap and the only type of person who’d post something that long in a topic like this is some creepy internet pedo defending their “right” to be a creep.”
I dunno where you got the idea that he’s a pedo when he already stated I think twice that the SL kid community is quick to report it.
Unless you are one of those morons that think all SL kids are pedos. Whether we are creepy or not is certainly a matter of opinion but we aint pedos. If we find them in our communities most of chuck them out and report because they creep us the hell out too.
By the way great use of faulty logic. You basically stated that only creeps get passionate enough to stand up for their rights. Nice job lumping in all the human rights movements in with child abusers.
Albert Ross
Sep 4th, 2009
Beatrix, please use today’s supply of internets to look up the word “argument”.
beatrix the noobslayer
Sep 5th, 2009
So you have nothing to say on my points just that one. Okay I’ll take that as a concession. Thank you and have a great day.
Millicent Mint
Sep 5th, 2009
Why is it someone that make “adult” bot is making kid bots and saying they are PG haha yea right.
this is quoted out of her profile under her picks about her bots
“NaughtyBot and Raw Files – This is the main headquarters of the most intelligent robots on SL. They walk, talk, dance, strip on poles, model clothing, hostess, group inviter, Landmark and Notecard Giver, Traffic Generator, bot, bots, in”
yea someone that makes bots that strip is making kids bots. I find a million things wrong with that. People like her will get the kid community shut down in sl
.....Lol
Sep 5th, 2009
man… why do you guys make a big DEAL out of everything on sl.
you’r only given the bots more fame
Kyo
Sep 5th, 2009
well i honestly do not care about this shit in the first place. just because it’s a kid bot doesn’t justify that is it used for sex. are you fuckers on a one track mind or something? like it’s just a fucking bot with no emotions man. i was playing around with these things randomly today. saying obnoxious shit and it was clearly an idiot. this will not bloody end the kids community just because some person created something different and crazily odd. it is not creepy, is is not harmful to our experience. i think your afraid of it because of the fact that it will out number you and take over the Sl grid. i do not care what these things do or supposedly play with. by writing to the botz they just don’t have the ability to have a talk with you about ornately placed horror icons. you all need to rethink yourselfs here. kids don’t always = sex ok.
jordz it’s only creepy when Michael jackson starts playing with it’s invisible pair of undies.
Kyo out.
Darkie
Sep 6th, 2009
It kind of creeps me out that most of you people, the writer of this piece in particular, so easily associate child av’s (bot or person controlled) with sex.
People see danger and predators around every corner. A scary development, and reminding of the tale of the boy crying wolf.
Let’s just keep our heads together.
Albert Ross
Sep 6th, 2009
Beer Tricks said – “So you have nothing to say on my points just that one. Okay I’ll take that as a concession. Thank you and have a great day.”
Umm, you only made two points. The one I didn’t address was the one where YOU were failing to address a point. I thought it would have been redundant of me to simply repeat my arguments when you could simply review those from my earlier post at your leisure.
Again though, I’ll try to help you understand.
The entire grid is in effect “adult”. By that I mean you have to be an adult in RL so as to obtain an account. Yes yes, I know that there are ways round that but that’s not the issue right this second. PG land is for fluffy bunnies. Mature land basically means more adult (in the sense of more grown up subjects). Adult land basically means a place for the humping. You may not agree with those definitions but a visit to Zindra, the adult continent will show that there’s nothing there but brothels and areas to pretend you’re fucking up against dumpsters. And that’s where these kidbotz have been designed to go. Oh yes, people will argue “but people live on Zindra, it’s not all fucking” but frankly it’s an unstable argument because if you go there and fly around, you’ll see for yourself that it’s all sex-related – at least that’s been my personal experience.
Oh, to address one of your points Beer Tricks, I can understand how a general user of SL could be concerned about under-age users. But the “adult” areas were NOT created as a way to ensure that only verified “adults” were allowed into certain areas. “Adult” in this case basically means rumpy pumpy and the Lindens basically created Zindra in an attempt to move all the rumpy pumpy away from the rest of the grid, to clean it up and make it more business friendly. There already exists a way to ensure (in theory) that only RL verified adults are in certain areas and that’s the age-verification process and then certain places deciding to limit admission to only those who are age-verified. As we’ve already pointed out, even the age verification process is flawed and that means that Zindra is going to have just as many underage users as everywhere else.
I’m just waiting for the day when the Herald breaks the first genuine “Kidbotz Used By Sick Fucks For Sex Games” story because let’s face it, it’s coming.
Now, talking of unaddressed points, still no one has explained to me how these botz have been age verified. They have no RL status and so it’s not possible that they’ve been age verified legitimately. Therefore unless there’s some other way I’m not aware of, an idea which I’m happy to acknowledge as possible, these bots have been age verified illegitimately and that needs raising with an AR until the Lindens investigate.
Now Beer Tricks, I’m going to go have that great day you asked me to have, I hope you have one too
At0m0 Beerbaum
Sep 6th, 2009
Someone asked why would anyone throw away money on these bots if they aren’t going to be used for nefarious means.
Simple, why would anyone throw away money on virtual clothing, virtual land, and a virtual world?
They’re gullible, that’s why.
marg
Sep 6th, 2009
Naughty Dreamscape’s profile on her picks .. did you know she sells a so called NAUGHTY BOT .. for pole danceing and striping .. mmmmmm
thats just sick selling kid bot along side them .. that says it all ..
ob-wan
Sep 7th, 2009
“Naughty Dreamscape’s profile on her picks .. did you know she sells a so called NAUGHTY BOT .. for pole danceing and striping .. mmmmmm
thats just sick selling kid bot along side them .. that says it all ..”
I cant believe some of the comments here. Why do people think child porn every time they hear the word kid. there is no connection b/w kidz bots and child porn. Oh btw Disney sells kid shows on Disney Channel while selling shows like Wild on E! on their E! Channel. Get your head out of the mud.
Darkie
Sep 7th, 2009
So if I understand correctly, Albert Ross, adult verified automatically means for teh humping? Even just the mere possibility of the verifying of these bots?
And completely ignoring the fact that some regions are flagged adult just because some people renting land there to live on would like the possibility to have let’s say a sexgen bed… or even to keep griefers out?
You see, that is another good reason to flag land as adult verified only.
I personally would hate to have to move because the kid can’t enter the sim I live in.
But never mind all other possible reasons the creators of these bots might have for doing things the way they did, it’s far more easy and entertaining to just assume the worst and brand them and anyone else closely enough fitting the bill a pedo, then to try and find out the truth. Guilty untill proven innocent works sooo much better. Hey, why don’t we all just AR them all right now while we’re at it! I’ll AR myself too, cuz I lived in an adult Sim, had a sexgen bed while I had my daughter on SL. I just *have* to be a pedo too, your people’s infallible logic dictates it!
Albert Ross (Albatross, geddit?)
Sep 7th, 2009
Darkie, that’s all well and good; let’s agree to disagree until more information becomes available.
Now, how are these botz being age verified again?
victimofnaughty
Sep 7th, 2009
For Starters
Naughty Dreamscape is a scammer for many other things then just this pedi-kid bot.
This is by far the STUPIDEST thing she ever thought of and i pity the people that are goin to buy into this and be scammed like all her other ventures.
The kid bot IS NOT a person so who the hell is it age verified. Give me one good reasoning to this? Naughty claims that she will be monitering the childs activities to make sure no sex play is goin on. This in itself is a privacy violation, meanin Naughty will have her grubby little hands in all your activity. How can she moniter somethin like that?
Why does someone need to buy and maintain a kid bot? Why cant someone who wants a child in SL go adopt one? Why would someone wanna spend their SL talkin to a bot and actin like it is a real kid?
The only proper reasoning for havin a kid bot is to serve some perverted sexual fantasy that no kid avatar will endure.
Naughty is a perverted being, this does not suprise me that she has turned to pimpin kid robots into her own little sex haven. She cant make it anywhere else and has gone broke in all fields of SL she has no other choice then to try somethin this stupid, and to think that she can get away with this without anyone noticing is absurd.
Not only should all these bots be terminated (Bots are not allowed in SL), Naughty Dreamscape should be wiped from SL herself.
victimofnaughty
Sep 8th, 2009
For anyone readin this please pass along this link to others so they can comment too.
These kid bots arent made for right reasoning and need to be dismantled immediately
beatrix the noobslayer
Sep 8th, 2009
Beer tricks must be a different person. *shrugs* oh well. any
“Why is it someone that make “adult” bot is making kid bots and saying they are PG haha yea right.”
In her defense it makes sense she has the technology and she saw a money making outlet. Accusing her of marketing ageplay play based on her other products is dumb.
It’d be like saying I’m encouraging teen and preteen pregnancy because I started making/building/selling kids things and went into building primbabies and accessories. Or better yet because I want to make primbabies I’d be ending the sl kid community.
That will never happen. First off I’m willing to bet more adults then they want to admit out loud really like reliving their childhood. Adult avs are not idiots either (generally) they may very well prefer to have a real person to interact with, joke around with and do stuff with. They may also realize that the scammers that run off with their linds generally cost them less then these bots do in a month with the weekly bandwidth costs.
My only complaint is her arrogant advertising. But will she ruin the sl kid community? No we are stronger then that. Goonies NEVER say die.