Linden GTeam and JLU – Improper Conduct?
by Alphaville Herald on 12/01/10 at 8:56 am
BrainiacWiki papers claim Lab staff leaks to role play game cops
by Pixeleen Mistral, National Affairs desk
A troubling pattern of what may be Linden governance team staff collusion with the Justice League Unlimited is beginning to emerge after the JLU's BrainiacWiki papers were leaked to the internet at large by the Wrong Hands infiltration group. Linden staff coaching on abuse reports, sharing alt account identities, apparently using JLU's database and avatar scanners – the list goes on and on. Perhaps most telling are claims that the JLU accounts for 1/6th of all abuse reports on a weekly bases as of the summer of 2009. Have some Linden GTeam members decided to take sides in the game – and keep the volume of abuse reports artificially high by indulging the JLU with special favors and special access? Fueling the faction wars between the JLU "superheros" and the supervillain griefers might be a form of game moderator job security after all.
Given the volume of the papers – imagine trying to report on an encyclopedia – it is likely to be some time before all of the gems have been uncovered. For readers without their own copy of the JLU BrainiacWiki papers here are some highlights:
Plexus Linden using JLU database and wearing JLU avatar key logger
"Not the leader of the LindenLabs Governance and Response Team, butcertainly one of its more influential members. Of the G-Team, Plexus isthe most conversational and responsive, and is currently listed in theBrainiac database as an external operative. This gives him access toour communications system, and the ability to wear and use the avatarkey logger in the commlink (which he uses in full knowledge of what itdoes) and the ability to use the Brainiac Mini terminal he now wears onhis right shoulder.
At one point he was also is a memberof the GLC/JLU Tactical Groupand could see and respond to messages there. However, in the interestsof complete transparency and equanimity towards all groups, herelinquished his membership in this group.
Plexus was made a part of the Linden Maintenance Groupon Nov.8, 07, and was a forthcoming and valuable asset to the Justice League,frequently volunteering information relevant to the anti-griefer workwe do."
Plexus Linden revealing alt account identities to JLU
JLU generates 1/6th of all Abuse Reports
BrainiacWiki_Mal-W/default_399.html
Notices for June 30, 2009 – August 1, 2009
….
TheLeagueitself generates about one-sixth of all the abuse reports filedon the entire grid on a weekly basis. By giving the peacekeepercommunity specific targetted instruction on the quality of filedreports, Harry Linden improved the system by making it easier andfaster for Lindens to evaluate and to respond to emergent situations.This was a surgical strike on a growing problem by the GTeam.
The GLC are focused on a "magic number", making the same error thatmost ordinary citizens do – that the abuse report system is a machine,and that decisions are made solely by that machine.
–KalelVenkman 14:52, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
The source of the above information is, unfortunately, secure GLCforums. Yes, the GLC is leaking information, and this is informationthe GLC would probably prefer not to have been disclosed to anynon-Core reader. The closed nature of GLC internal politics suggeststhat most of the rank and file know little to nothing of thisdiscussion. As with anything else in the BWiki, it is important indeference to the GLC's own needs that we allow this information to gono further than it already has, so any discussion must remain here. Iunderstand that this information was just dropped in our laps, but wemust take better care of their information than the GLC apparently did.
–Kalel Venkman 01:32, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
Not the leader of the Linden Labs Governance and Response Team, but certainly one of its more influential members. Of the G-Team, Plexus is the most conversational and responsive, and is currently listed in the Brainiac database as an external operative. This gives him access to our communications system, and the ability to wear and use the avatar key logger in the commlink (which he uses in full knowledge of what it does) and the ability to use the Brainiac Mini terminal he now wears on his right shoulder."
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Teagan Linden coaches JLU onabuse reporting
[21:12] Kalel Venkman: Hey, Teagan,quick procedural question: the AR queue still triggers
on multipleAR's filed in an incident to escalate the urgency of a noted situation,correct?
I just want to make sure we're not wasting the RESI team's time siftingthrough extra AR's if
this doesn't actually help.
[21:17] TeaganLinden: One person filing over and over on an incident doesn't doanything to
enhance the urgency really, no. One AR is all that's needed.
[21:17] Kalel Venkman: No, we knew that.
[21:17] Kalel Venkman: One personper incident, and as detailed as possible.
[21:18] Teagan Linden:yes, exactly :)
[21:18] Kalel Venkman: What happens if more than one person files on anincident. Does that
escalate the incident in the queue?
[21:18] Teagan Linden: details details details, but just the facts
[21:18] Teagan Linden: too many variables to really say. It's a complexsystem :)
[21:18] Teagan Linden: sometimes it might, sometimes not, all depends
[21:18] Kalel Venkman: Back in October, Socrates Linden told us that yes, itdid, that it was
algorithmic.
[21:19] Teagan Linden: It didthen, yes. We've made changes and improvements since then
[21:19] Teagan Linden: so now it doesn't necessarily
[21:20] KalelVenkman: But you are not aware of the situational triggers at thispoint.
[21:20] Kalel Venkman: We have noticed that responsiveness isup over this time last year.
[21:21] Teagan Linden: oh good! seems to be working much better for us;glad it's showing up
for you guys too!
[21:21] Kalel Venkman: Iapologize for the questions – I'm just trying to make my team's work
as efficient as possible.
[21:22] Kalel Venkman: If there are thingsthat waste everyone's time, we shouldn't be doing
them.
[21:23] Kalel Venkman: Energy and effort in SL is so hard to come by, and allthat.
[21:23] Teagan Linden: No problem :) Same thing as always really – ifit's an attack at an
event where it's disrupting many people, thenit's important to get everyone affected to send
an abuse report.It's best if they do it in their own words; I dont know if the systempicks
up on copy/paste ARs where everyone sends the same text (we see thatsometimes) but it might.
[21:23] Kalel Venkman: It probably does.
[21:23] Kalel Venkman: If I were programming it, that's what I'd filter for.
[21:23] Teagan Linden: also everyone doing their own perspective of itgives us better details
and a better idea of what's going on
[21:23] Teagan Linden: yes, makes sense :)
[21:24] Kalel Venkman: Iunderstand – so that pretty much answers my questions, it's working
pretty much as we had theorized based on our observations.
[21:24] Kalel Venkman: Thank you, Teagan!
…
A Caution:
Wedo not have permission from Teagan to distribute these chatlogs, sothey should not be retransmitted in any form. The BWiki is a securelocation, and most people are not even aware of its existence. Theselogs should be safe enough left here.
–Kalel Venkman 05:13, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
JLU'scozy relationship with Teagan Linden – ban powers fail on God Modegriefer
Meeting of June 28, 2009 morning
…
[9:15] Maverick Grunfeld: Shortly after all this is happening, Teagan Linden
showed up on site followed by Harry Linden.
[9:15] MaverickGrunfeld: I did my usual hello to Teagan
[9:15] Kara Timtam: YayTeagan!
[9:15] Melanippe Karas: Yay Teagan!
[9:15] MaverickGrunfeld: And explained the environment
[9:15] Maverick Grunfeld: Teagan at that point tells me to IM herdirectly
[9:15] JB Hancroft: and Harry? interesting….
[9:15] Maverick Grunfeld: And bypass the ARs.
[9:15] DianaPrince Carter:Coolness!
[9:15] JB Hancroft: excellent!
[9:16] BilliAnn Bravin: Wow.
[9:16] Maverick Grunfeld: That basically if I spotted a person or a
troublemaker,to IM her and they would jump on it.
[9:16] Kara Timtam: Teaganknows she can trust you. That's BIG.
[9:16] Melanippe Karas: Awesome.
[9:16] DianaPrince Carter:Bugger than big, huge!
[9:16] JB Hancroft: .me hands Princess an"i"
[9:16] DianaPrince Carter: *bigger, I meant bigger! OhBugger :P
[9:16] Maverick Grunfeld: It was quite the colaboration yesterday.Estate
banned, LL account banned, and JLU was the eyes and ears.
[9:17] Kalel Venkman: I don't want to get into breakdowns of sentences that
involve the words "bugger", and "huge".
[9:17] DianaPrince Carter:XD
[9:17] Maverick Grunfeld: The most interesting case thoughshould be noted for
the record, an abuser claimed to be Dick Burns tome in IM after he did the usual
disruption.
[9:17] Maverick Grunfeld: The issue was, he IMed meafter having his accoutn
banned.
[9:18] Kara Timtam: Goodtrick.
[9:18] Maverick Grunfeld: I pointed out the abuser outrightto estate and Teagan
[9:18] Maverick Grunfeld: It gets worse.
[9:18] MaverickGrunfeld: So estate banned him, which meant he went to the
regionnext door to lay out his party gifts.
[9:19] Maverick Grunfeld: Atthat point, Teagan banned based on my IM id and an
AR I fired off for good measure
[9:19] Maverick Grunfeld: Theaccount then basically entered into God Mode
[9:19] Kalel Venkman:Note that at this point Lindens are now talking directly
to JLU, notreading the AR logs.
[9:19] Maverick Grunfeld: As he was banned from LL, he was no longerAR'able
[9:19] DianaPrince Carter: eek!
[9:19] MaverickGrunfeld: And was no longer visible in the GTeam's tools or
process
[9:19] JB Hancroft: Excuse me… the griefer went into God mode?
[9:19] Maverick Grunfeld: And as SL no longer saw the account
[9:20] Kara Foley: how is that possible?
[9:20] Maverick Grunfeld: He wasable to bypass the region ban
[9:20] Samantha Lowell: Hooboy
[9:20] JB Hancroft: Do we knowwhich client he was using?
[9:20] Kalel Venkman: No, we don't knowthat.
[9:20] Maverick Grunfeld: And was able to bypass the nobuilding on the parcel
[9:20] Maverick Grunfeld: So he was able to rez right on top of theevent stage.
…
[9:21] Melanippe Karas: And Teagan wasmade aware of these irregularities?
[9:21] Samantha Lowell:*exploit
[9:21] Maverick Grunfeld: Yes, that's the concerning part-Teagancouldn't
believe it herself.
[9:21] DianaPrince Carter: LLshould implement Kal-El's JIRA :/
[9:21] Kara Timtam: Dick Burnsis a PN
[9:21] Maverick Grunfeld: Asked me to TP her right on top of theabuser.
[9:21] BilliAnn Bravin: On a related note, New Oa wasattacked last night by the
PN during our Doors concert.
[9:21] JB Hancroft: There are a *lot* of exploits in SL.. but most are kept
closely by the people who discover them, so they won't get fixed.
[9:21] Maverick Grunfeld: Dick Burns was also known to be a highly talented
scripterfor the PN.
[9:22] BilliAnn Bravin: At least one Dick Burns wasthere.
[9:22] Maverick Grunfeld: Usually, PN claim the memes but aren'treally the
individual
[9:22] Kalel Venkman: This must have beenafter I left.
[9:22] Maverick Grunfeld: I've had people tell methey were Dick before or
DeadyCodeac
[9:22] Kalel Venkman: Hold that thought, Billi.
[9:22] BilliAnn Bravin: Yes, after the Doors stsrted.
[9:22] KaraTimtam: Whomever this was, they surely had the scripting chops.
[9:23] Maverick Grunfeld: But, given this guy's abilities and use of asecurity
exploit, he had the skills.
[9:23] Maverick Grunfeld: It was as ifthe ban enabilled him to have greater
powers/permissions on thegrid.
[9:23] Samantha Lowell: SO, what is the worst-case scenariohere?
[9:23] Kalel Venkman: Worst case scenario is that a PN can be givenpowers even
Lindens don't have.
[9:24] Kalel Venkman: Goanywhere, do anything, destroy anything.
[9:24] Gawyn Philbin:Which in short, means the entire grid is pretty much boned
[9:24] Maverick Grunfeld: With that said, eventually, LL was able tokill the
account.
[9:24] JB Hancroft: Before we jump from thewindows (not flying… ;)
[9:24] Maverick Grunfeld: But, that wason their backend, not sure what magic
they had to work.
[9:24] JB Hancroft: have we seen anything likethis before?
[9:24] Samantha Lowell: I suggest, for the timebeing, we keep a very low
profile in the field
Senban Babii
Jan 12th, 2010
“but we must take better care of their information than the GLC apparently did.”
lol with extra cheese, hold the pickle
This is starting to get grubby. People who hadn’t already read the files are probably now doing this –> O.o
lousy lindens
Jan 12th, 2010
the more i read of these mentally ill JLU dox the more discusting they get. what a bunch of small minded self-important jerks. i hope somebody gets a list of the current JLU membership for any upcoming law suit. and now to find out that the Lindens are in bed with the JLU makes me want to vomit. shame on Teagan and the rest of those bastards. “Plexus Linden verified…” yeah I bet he verified, verfied the circumference of your goatse there Venkman you sick fruit cup.
Gaara Sandalwood
Jan 12th, 2010
lol, already two more articles in one day on this topic. Knew it’d be a big event.
I gotta say though, everyone pretty much knew that some Lindens were working with the JLU. Everyone knew that they did this shit and had stuff like they do on their wiki. I found out for myself they had spies in one group when Maverick unloaded hordes of info on me that was almost completely said in the group’s chat.
So personally I’m not that surprised about these docs that got released.
Haruhi Thespian
Jan 12th, 2010
Wow! I didnt really look at the linden articles found in the JLU wiki too closely. I mostly just laughed at how Rodney Linden is a registered griefer to them. This is much more serious than that though. “The BWiki is a secure location, and most people are not even aware of its existence. These logs should be safe enough left here.” Security is only as strong as its weakest link and 4 days to become recruit with full access was an untempered segment in the chain holding back the disgusting truth behind the JLU’s actions. People, this man, Kalel, claimed that he suspected Tizzers to be only 17 years old, yet even though he assumed that this person was, legaly, a minor, he chose to upload private information, detailed descriptions, and MULTIPLE photos of him. His actions state that if a resident is a griefer, it doesnt matter the age of the user in real life, he will still SCAVENGE for information, photos, and anything else about him or her. Think about it.
All Seeeing Eye
Jan 12th, 2010
There are sure a whole lot of big legalese words to describe this behavior by LL. Someone needs to get those internet lawyers to weigh in on this and explain what legally can be done to correct this behavior. Otherwise it is going to be ignored to defend the reputations of the LL execs and leads. Is there direct evidence of LL disclosure of identity information to unauthorized parties without client authorization? Man that would be really bad for LL to earn a proven reputation as a corrupt racketeering law breaking organization eh? Would surely make big companies and universities want to be their customers.
Aree Lulibub
Jan 12th, 2010
“The GLC are focused on a “magic number”, making the same error that most ordinary citizens do – that the abuse report system is a machine, and that decisions are made solely by that machine.”
The GLC, in fact, does NOT focus on a “magic number” and our training program clearly teaches that there is no magic number. We do not game the abuse report system in such a manner nor condone the actions of those that do.
“The source of the above information is, unfortunately, secure GLC forums. Yes, the GLC is leaking information, and this is information the GLC would probably prefer not to have been disclosed to any non-Core reader. The closed nature of GLC internal politics suggests that most of the rank and file know little to nothing of this discussion. As with anything else in the BWiki, it is important in deference to the GLC’s own needs that we allow this information to go no further than it already has, so any discussion must remain here. I understand that this information was just dropped in our laps, but we must take better care of their information than the GLC apparently did.”
There has been one discussion on our forums regarding the magic number of abuse reports, which originated from two JLU/GLC crossmembers attempting to convince the rest of the GLC that it was 5 and that mass “AR Parties” are effective. The above paragraph quoted from the BWiki is completely untrue.
Additionally, Teagan didn’t say anything in that chat log that isn’t public knowledge.
Gaara Sandalwood
Jan 12th, 2010
I just find it funny how they try and swing everything in their favor, and make themselves out as the good guys in every circumstance. Every day they sit on a mountain of immorally, if not illegally, acquired information and bitch about griefers and ‘cyber terrorists’.
mh
Jan 12th, 2010
[9:22] Kara Timtam: Whomever this was, they surely had the scripting chops.
[9:23] Maverick Grunfeld: But, given this guy’s abilities and use of a security
exploit, he had the skills.
[9:23] Maverick Grunfeld: It was as if the ban enabilled him to have greater
powers/permissions on the grid.
[9:23] Samantha Lowell: SO, what is the worst-case scenario here?
[9:23] Kalel Venkman: Worst case scenario is that a PN can be given powers even
Lindens don’t have.
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What do you expect from bored QA and programmers INSIDE A GAME COMPANY? Hacking what you create is good programming practice. Most do it to make the creation better. All do it to keep the job interesting.
Backdoors are always going to be put there on purpose by the creators (supervisory administration and monitoring API’s included). Ghosting and false identity are a given capability.
And in an essentially free TOY the Lindens are not going to expend many cycles policing there own.
SL Historian
Jan 12th, 2010
@ Teagan Linden
“Same thing as always really – if it’s an attack at an event where it’s disrupting many people, then it’s important to get everyone affected to send an abuse report.”
@ LL Wiki
“Reports from multiple people show the RESI (Resident Experience Support Inworld) Team that an incident affected more people than a single report would. If twenty Residents are affected, we should receive at least twenty abuse reports from twenty different Residents, which can corroborate evidence.”
So RESI team members can paraphrase the SL wiki and spoon feed it to an interested resident via IM. And this is news?
Neo Citizen
Jan 12th, 2010
What I find funny is people bitching about other people keeping track of what their avatars did. Nobody’s privacy was violated by that, it’s not like real life, it’s more like WalMart. You’re not in the real world, you’re in somebody else’s place of business. And it’s funny that you complain about this on the one hand, and then say, “It’s just a game” on the other hand.
Which is it? Real? Or a game? You have to pick one.
Gaara Sandalwood
Jan 12th, 2010
It IS just a game. But it’s basically like people going around telling you how to play. I recall reading how if a land owner didn’t like them being in their sim and estate banning them they’d cry to Plexus to unban them from it.
It is a game, but considering how these players go around like they’re gonna do what they want and accuse people of what they wish to is absurd.
Doc
Jan 12th, 2010
@Neo Citizen
No, its not funny.
Its not funny if the gouvermant in RL does it. That has the right to do it.
and its not funny if some sick avatars in underpants in SL do it. That have NO right to do it.
Specialy not, because they collect RL information.
Spciealy not, because they pretend to be the good guys.
“its just a game”, ends when they start to mess arround with your reallife.
i really hope you are smart enough to understand the difference.
Where i live, they would get in serious RL trouble for what they have done.
Carl Metropolitan
Jan 12th, 2010
Aided and abetted by the usual suspects, the Herald continues imply moral equivalency between griefer gangs and public service groups like the JLU and the GLC who fight them. What a surprise.
Gaara Sandalwood
Jan 12th, 2010
Actually yea the doc explained it better.
SirLordChikkinz
Jan 12th, 2010
Welp, we told you this a long time ago. Just because we close your sims doesn’t mean we are liars.
brinda allen
Jan 12th, 2010
@Gaara Sandalwood….AMEN!
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“People, this man, Kalel, claimed that he suspected Tizzers to be only 17 years old, yet even though he assumed that this person was, legaly, a minor, he chose to upload private information, detailed descriptions, and MULTIPLE photos of him.”
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Thank god my children are likely a lot older than most all of you that read this…My youngest was born in 1970…
And if my child had done things that Tizzers is purported to have done he/she would need medical help to remove my foot out of his/her butt…
But any idiot that chose to publish pictures and/or private information about a minor child of mine would no longer have a pc…or cable…or a house… or a bank account.
He/She would either have a substancial legal bill…or the phone number of a public defender…and the corporate entity that either condoned such behavior or tacitly allowed it would be listed on the same piece of paper.
I can only imagine what some lawyer is going to start asking certain Lindens…and that is going to be… “JUST WHAT THE HELL WERE YOU THINKING!?
No…I don’t want to be griefed..(been there and had that happen) but allowing vigilante rule isn’t the sign of a company that has someone truly at the helm….M Linden, time to do “the buck stops here” line and move on.
SirLordChikkinz
Jan 12th, 2010
@Carl Metropolitain
Using same tactics and tools that orbit/cage anyone under a week old in any sim they enter, (last time I checked that is griefing, everyone in a sim that hasn’t been playing for a while must be a griefer amite?). Gee sure seems morally equal; if not worse as at least we don’t lie about what we are.
Jessica Holyoke
Jan 12th, 2010
@Carl
You are right, people who crash a computer server or use a program to create offensive replicating particles are not morally equivalent to people who take it upon themselves to pierce a person’s anonymity, no matter the rules or laws that are broken.
LL
Jan 12th, 2010
Tizzers Foxchase made the mistake of having done what you are now complaining Kalel did and more. He found and used Kalel’s RL information. Gathering Tizzers’ information was self-defense.
You people complain of a person who was harrassed in RL gathering information on the harrasser?
Darien Caldwell
Jan 12th, 2010
@LL. Two wrongs don’t make a right. This is something elementary school children already know. (at least in my day they did)
Joanna Falmer
Jan 12th, 2010
“public service group”? Hardly. Kalel Venkman’s organization is the most abusive griefer group I’ve ever encountered, and Venkman and his accomplices need to be banned.
Goons&MOREGoons
Jan 12th, 2010
@Carl Metropolitan
Check out SLChan:
Kalel is fighting a now losing battle.
Copy the DOX. Spread them everywhere. Leak them on every major chan that would care.
This is THE ONLY WAY to make sure the JLU never return.
The time is at hand to make sure they no longer bother any griefer.
Jumpman Lane
Jan 12th, 2010
Them boys aint lying lmao. Got the same coaching from Zara Linden. SHe told me exactly how to write an ar so it would stick, ANSWERED my ims with very prompt response. Time was Jump Lane could et ya ass forced logged out 5 minutes tops. AND i’ve had enemeis livin deep in Torley Linden’s ass got meforced logged out a few times! See Linden Lab is understaffed. They LOVE it when people volunteer and do their work for em fore free. So all that stuff them turdy super chumps yuk up on their lil wiki is entirely plausible. We dont do role play news but it sure is funneh! Thanx Herald!
Orion
Jan 12th, 2010
You know I wonder, did these two Lindens actually have access to the wiki? If Plexus was in their group after all, and was using their hud – wouldn’t he be aware of the sort of information they were keeping? Something is rotten here, and I suspect it may be more then just improper conduct or favouritism.
you asked for it
Jan 12th, 2010
HERE is the PLEXUS LINDEN page straight from the JLU docs:
“”"Plexus Linden
From BrainiacWiki
Jump to: navigation, search
Not the leader of the Linden Labs Governance and Response Team, but certainly one of its more influential members. Of the G-Team, Plexus is the most conversational and responsive, and is currently listed in the Brainiac database as an external operative. This gives him access to our communications system, and the ability to wear and use the avatar key logger in the commlink (which he uses in full knowledge of what it does) and the ability to use the Brainiac Mini terminal he now wears on his right shoulder.
At one point he was also is a member of the GLC/JLU Tactical Group and could see and respond to messages there. However, in the interests of complete transparency and equanimity towards all groups, he relinquished his membership in this group.
Plexus was made a part of the Linden Maintenance Group on Nov. 8, 07, and was a forthcoming and valuable asset to the Justice League, frequently volunteering information relevant to the anti-griefer work we do.
Communication with Plexus has been less frequent, as with all GTeam members. However, he has been known to respond to JLU IM’s dealing with specific griefing situations.
Plexus usually provides a talk to new Green Lantern Core classes.”"”
Tuomy Boa
Jan 13th, 2010
While they’re guilty on multiple accounts of ToS violations by quoting people without consent, I personally believe they do some good as well.
I was once falsely mass-ARed by PN for getting one of them banned from a sim he was griefing. Thanks to JLU my month long ban ended up being 30 minutes.
creepier
Jan 13th, 2010
I don’t think that Intlibber is going to be filing any lawsuits any time soon, because as I read those JLU docs further, I see where Intlibber is sitting around with the JLU trading infos and yucking it up with the JLU about how they should screw over some guy by signing him up for Gay magazines, Publisher Clearinghouse magazines, etc, and is the one pushing for the JLU to try to leverage the FBI to get him because he griefed an Obama campaign hub in SL, while Venkman is saying he wants to swing the rubber hose around while they interrogate him, and several others scheming a whole host of illegal activities. That one doc file alone, default_512 has enough conspiracy stuff in it to curl some FBI hairs. Its no wonder there was a push back against the JLU.
Tuomy boa
Jan 13th, 2010
I do wonder if DC comics knows about JLU…talk about counter DMCA right there x3
Neo Citizen
Jan 13th, 2010
Can’t help noticing that all the “pushing back” is the griefers doing it.
Of COURSE they don’t like the JLU. They’re griefers, helLOO.. and frankly, they did something stupid. By releasing the JLU dox, they doxed a lot of themselves too, along with a ton of other griefer groups. And Tizzers. I remember where I read about how Tizzers stalked people in real life, and that was why the JLU was keeping close tabs on him. Now where did I read that?
Oh yeah.
The Herald.
GreenLantern Excelsior
Jan 13th, 2010
JLU isn’t making a dime off of DC Comics, so DC Comics won’t be going after JLU. The same goes for Warner Brothers.
IntLibber
Jan 13th, 2010
@LL: Actually, I was there, and Kalel’s dox were on his domain name registration, totally public information. Tiz wasn’t the one who got them, that was disclosure by PN spies in Encyclopedia Dramatica and the PN wiki, back when Kalel and I were still allies and friends. I will note that at that time Kalel was blackmailing Tizzers to use the Woodbury campus to spy on the PN for JLU. Tiz came to me offering to spy for me instead of for JLU, and when he told Kalel to stuff it, Kalel got the g-team to take the original WU sim down permanently.
Orion
Jan 13th, 2010
@Neo – ” I remember where I read about how Tizzers stalked people in real life, and that was why the JLU was keeping close tabs on him.”
Gee, someone who’s causing trouble in a computer game shows up at your front door.
Do you:
A) Call the police and get a restraining order or trespass notice?
B) Report the incident to the guys running the game?
C) Gather as much of their real life information as possible and post it to the website of your video game vigilante group?
IntLibber
Jan 13th, 2010
@GLE: Dude, thats not quite how copyright law works, buddy. Firstly, by wearing the outfits as an organization under a name trademarked by DC, you are violating DC’s trademarks and copyrights. While there is the possibility of claiming a fair use if you were solely focused on an educational mission, however you are not. Acting as a vigilante organization, your behavior, such as immoral wiki disclosure policies, reflect poorly on and defame the trademarked and copyrighted properties of DC comics, thus JLU’s behavior causes monetary damages to DC Comics… People who otherwise might be Superman fans would be less likely to buy Superman comic books after seeing what a heinous schmuck Kalel is, etc.
Robble Rubble
Jan 13th, 2010
@GreenLantern Excelsior
So you are saying that Warner Brothers, owner of the company DC comics doesn’t care at all about stuff like avs made from textures ripped from their games? I know a certain batman who is quite partial to his “Arkham Asylum” Batman av.
Joey Dradato
Jan 13th, 2010
@Tuomy: looks like Warner/DC does know about the JLU. From default_276.html:
[8:47] Kalel Venkman: Ladies and gentlemen, if you were with us last week you
all got a chance to meet Twig Tomorrow, leader of the Metaverse Mod Squad and
guardian and estate manager of the Gossip Girl sims.
[8:48] Kalel Venkman: She has been working closely with Warner Brothers, and has
a rather amazing resume, as do all her coworkers in the Mod Squad.
[8:48] Twig Tomorrow: *blush*
[8:49] Kalel Venkman: She, in turn, has been working closely with Tamara237
GossipGirl, who is the Warner Brothers Alternative Media representative for that
studio.
[8:50] Kalel Venkman: Twig, I think I should hand this over to you.
[8:50] Twig Tomorrow: Hi everybody.
[8:50] Selene Hudson: hi
[8:50] Sen Pixie waves
[8:50] Heidi Stiglitz: Hi!
[8:50] Sean Petit waves
[8:51] Twig Tomorrow: Hi, I met some of you last week, but for those of you who
don’t me, I am the founder and CEO of Metaverse Mod Squad LLC. (I love getting
the LLC in there, snicker). We provide community and moderating services to real
life corporations in virtual worlds. As a lucky coincidence, one of our clients
here in Second Life is Warner Brothers.
[8:51] Twig Tomorrow: Kalel, Kara and I had a great chat after last week’s
meeting about your use of the superhero costumes, etc. I know your group has been
wanting some sort of official sanction for some time. So I invited Kalel and Kara
to a big party we threw on Wednesday night for the show Gossip Girl on the CWTV
Network, which is owned by WB.
[8:52] Twig Tomorrow: And Kalel did his “thang” with the aforementioned Tamara.
[8:52] Kalel Venkman: Well – not THAT thang, we just talked.
[8:53] Kara Timtam: That is your Thang
[8:53] Twig Tomorrow: Tmara spoke with the president of the studio and they love
the concept of JLU.
[8:53] Twig Tomorrow: SO
[8:53] Twig Tomorrow: This week your own Kalel should be talking directly with
the studio’s lawyers.
[8:53] Kara Timtam: and he will surely charm them as well!
[8:54] Twig Tomorrow: It is a very exciting start to a official partnership
between JLU and WB and you all better not forget lil old us!
Gaara Sandalwood
Jan 13th, 2010
Neo, please. Some people that don’t like the JLU don’t like them for the sole fact of their tendency of biased profiling. Consider myself. I’m not a griefer in any way, but for being in WU and having an opinion about furries I was labeled as a griefer. Some idiot even tried to send out NCs stating how horrible I was to anyone he/she could manage to think of that owned a Jewish faith based sim because for reasons I don’t even see I’m aparrantly a Jew basher.
As for major griefers, I don’t see alts of the older ones coming in and partying hard on this in game. Even frizzle barely posted at all. So no, it’s not all griefers that don’t want their ‘fun’ ruined taking part in this shit.
GreenLantern Excelsior
Jan 13th, 2010
@ Intlibber
“…your behavior, such as immoral wiki disclosure policies, reflect poorly on and defame the trademarked and copyrighted properties of DC comics, thus JLU’s behavior causes monetary damages to DC Comics…”
This is quite a stretch. DC Comics hasn’t lost a dime due to JLU’s actions as far as I can tell. I know I’ve talked about the current Blackest Night series in the Green Lantern comics with people all over the grid, and more than one of them said they would have go buy some GL comics to catch up with the superhero they used to love. So my actions have actually made money for DC. I’ve heard that Marvel Comics is a little harder on their fans, but DC seems to be okay.
@ Robble
I don’t believe DC Comics is going to run around the grid chasing textures that people might be wearing on their avatars. And they certainly won’t be hiring high priced lawyers to post a DMCA notice on my house. I could be wrong, but last I heard, lawyers were still expensive.
IntLubber
Jan 13th, 2010
@IntLibber – Weren’t you banned?
LOL
Jan 13th, 2010
WTF is a JLU Wiki?
After reading all this crap I still have yet to even understand what was stolen from whom, or why it was stolen. As I understand it thus far, after reading a plethora of horse shit Superman had his not so secret Nixon files released to the general public? A public who lets face it, does not really know or give a shit about what an SL LJU Wiki is. I scanned a few pages and it looks to me like “Linden Ass Kissing for Dummies” book, complete will illustrations and popus for the extremly retarded.
GreenLantern Excelsior
Jan 13th, 2010
@ Gaara Sandalwood
“Some people that don’t like the JLU don’t like them for the sole fact of their tendency of biased profiling. Consider myself. I’m not a griefer in any way, but for being in WU and having an opinion about furries I was labeled as a griefer.”
Apparently there’s some misunderstanding due to the terminology used in the database. If a JLU member writes an Abuse Report on you, the information ends up in a database. The database can designate you with different “roles,” such as Applicant, Member, Friend, etc. Probably because one of your profile picks contains the following…
“Furfags are degenerates, a race that began on the internet through fantasy beliefs that the primal instincts to buttfuck an animal(even if humanoid)is sexy.”
…you were designated “griefer.” Now this doesn’t mean you are a 100% evil sim-crashing hatemonger. It just means that the JLU member who wrote the AR decided it was worthwhile to tag you as “Griefer” in the JLU database. If I check your name in the database, I would see that on 2009-12-30 22:51:02, a JLU member wrote an AR on you for “Intolerant Furry Statements in Picks.” The LL Community Standards has this to say about “Intolerance:”
“…refrain from any hate activity which slurs a real-world individual or real-world community.”
“Actions that marginalize, belittle, or defame individuals or groups inhibit the satisfying exchange of ideas and diminish the Second Life community as a whole.”
So I can certainly see why the AR was written. And I trust my fellow JLU members with their ARs – we never falsify information. All of us have been around too long to risk a LL permaban for doing something unethical like that. HOWEVER, dot dot dot, an action that one JLU member considered serious enough to label a resident as a griefer might not seem that serious to me. Personally, I would prefer to have an ARed person designated as something other than “Griefer,” but I don’t know what term would be better while still being short and easily recognizable.
Anyway, that’s how the system works as I understand it.
NebulaCS
Jan 14th, 2010
The JLU wiki had parts of my rl information stored in it which was private. that is illegal. after some complaints it is removed. point is, greifers will always greif and the sandbox po po will be there to abuse report, but a line has been crossed when:
1. lindens start just listening to them or giving their AR’s priority
2. most sandboxes consider JLU griefers
3. holding private information about people (not just me) and making it public to their many members. this is actually grounds for the to get a big fat lolsuit now i don’t think second life bull shit would ever stand in court, but yeah is just wrong.
JLU needs to disbann at this point they have had their time in the sun
Robble Rubble
Jan 14th, 2010
@Greenlantern Excelsior
I think Warner Brothers will care about people using their IPs while collecting massive amounts of personal information about people and violating california cyberstalking laws. Aren’t you a cop irl? Shouldn’t you know better than aid a group of people who stockpile people’s personal information. I’ll post a quote from Kalel talking about the night tizzers trick or treated at his house.
[22:35] Kalel Venkman: Had I been home at the time, I’d have been within my legal rights to shoot them all dead
on the spot.
[22:35] Kalel Venkman: Four shots, wouldn’t even empty the clip
Here’s a snippet of California’s cyberstalking laws:
422. Any person who willfully threatens to commit a crime which
will result in death or great bodily injury to another person, with
the specific intent that the statement, made verbally, in writing, or
by means of an electronic communication device, is to be taken as a
threat, even if there is no intent of actually carrying it out,
which, on its face and under the circumstances in which it is made,
is so unequivocal, unconditional, immediate, and specific as to
convey to the person threatened, a gravity of purpose and an
immediate prospect of execution of the threat, and thereby causes
that person reasonably to be in sustained fear for his or her own
safety or for his or her immediate family’s safety, shall be punished
by imprisonment in the county jail not to exceed one year, or by
imprisonment in the state prison.
For the purposes of this section, “immediate family” means any
spouse, whether by marriage or not, parent, child, any person related
by consanguinity or affinity within the second degree, or any other
person who regularly resides in the household, or who, within the
prior six months, regularly resided in the household.
“Electronic communication device” includes, but is not limited to,
telephones, cellular telephones, computers, video recorders, fax
machines, or pagers. “Electronic communication” has the same meaning
as the term defined in Subsection 12 of Section 2510 of Title 18 of
the United States Code.
California’s Castle laws only apply when an intruder is INSIDE a person’s house AND presenting an immediate threat.
TheGretGigntor
Jan 14th, 2010
oh mah gawd the GREATGIGANTOR is Back….
Hurry Linden, ack Ypur Ban Hammas, Because the grid is going DOWN!
(Activates God mode)
Pool Clozer
Jan 14th, 2010
One more day to submit entries for the Linden Prize.
All in favor of Wrong Hands getting it, say Aye?
MattyK. Aka "SR-77 'Detour'"
Jan 14th, 2010
Yaaay. Drama.
This is the biggest thing to happen since the NJWJ shut down.
And yaaay, Furry Intolerance.
…Because Seriously, Some of us have a Life, and would rather spend it fucking around IRL on the streets in wolf costumes, than be spandex-attired Basement-dwellers.
Senban Babii
Jan 14th, 2010
Okay, I really have to make a point here.
“The League itself generates about one-sixth of all the abuse reports filed on the entire grid on a weekly basis. By giving the peacekeeper community specific targetted instruction on the quality of filed reports, Harry Linden improved the system by making it easier and faster for Lindens to evaluate and to respond to emergent situations. This was a surgical strike on a growing problem by the GTeam.”
I went back and checked. Since July 2007 I have made a grand total of three abuse reports. All three of those were for underage users on the grid and then only when I had actual statements to back them up. And before anyone claims that I must live in a cave at the bottom of the Linden Ocean I have seen and experienced every kind of griefing going from sim crashes to self-replicating cubes to noise to simple bad language and everything in between and beyond. And not once have I felt it necessary to file an abuse report. And the truth is, I’m not even a very tolerant person. Yet if I can go through all that and never find it necessary to file an abuse report about it, and yet the JLU are responsible for such a vast swathe of the abuse reports, then something is wrong. Something is very wrong, don’t you think? They are either filing abuse reports where simple common sense would dictate that none is necessary or they are going out of their way to file batches of abuse reports to game the system against certain people.
Abuse reports should never be the first response. There are plenty of simpler ways to deal with the majority of griefers e.g. muting, ejecting and so on. But the JLU want to give themselves a raison d’etre in my opinion and so they create villains to fight where few really exist.
The self-appointed “peacekeeper” community needs a kick up the arse. Peacekeepers prevent two sides from resuming conflict by standing between them in effect. The JLU aren’t “peacekeepers” – they are vigilantes and should be treated as such. I don’t own land any more but if I did, members of groups like the JLU would be banned from it by default, especially now I’ve seen in great depth what they are really like.
FrizzleFry
Jan 14th, 2010
DickBurns can be a smooth motherfucker sometimes.
Jlu never really meant anything for real griefers after 07, just players who dick around in a game autistic enough to consider furries a legitimate ethnicity (I don’t see bans for intolerance towards warhammer lore). Not like you can have your fun ruined by people who only show up if you set up camp in a sim for an hour and wait, with a mountain of AR’s from sim owners already cooking.
Sure they used to jerk off to irc chatlogs all the time, and brag about how they know we talked about fried chicken last night, but that didn’t last long after self-building guns or really do anything, I crashed all of furnation with JLU allover the place and took a screenshot no problem.
Seeing a jlu wiki full of self comforting and mafia-like vendetta “we hate this fag heres his dox lets go forge some evidence” articles is cool but it doesn’t tell me anything I don’t already know, aside from some linden dox, it would of been cool to see the really illegal shit plexus did, like handing over payment info, but I didn’t see any there.
Jlu doesn’t really do anything anymore aside from play secondlife mafia, they haven’t for years, since 08 they’re more like apartment neighbours that leave a newspaper outside their door on a string only to pull it back and call the cops for theft when someone tries to read it.
Also before we even found kalel’s little site with the domain info, we originally found his resume which he was apparently throwing around everywhere, that’s where we got his info, on the wiki he blames that nichole shirikawawhatever for it, then AR’d him, knowing full well where we actually got it from since we were bragging.
Neo Citizen is like a mini prokofy restricted to 50 words or less, only prokofy didn’t do gymnastics to defend jlu’s little attack wiki.
green weiner
Jan 14th, 2010
Yes, every time Green Lantern says anything on here, just think of a middle aged man sitting behind his keyboard wearing a green spandex bunny suit with tights and a cape on. These guys are all like that. Superweirdos. I will never buy a Marvel or DC comics again after running into this bunch of loons.
SirLordChikkinz
Jan 14th, 2010
@MattyK. Aka “SR-77 ‘Detour’
Saying furniggers have a life is like saying strobe lights cure epilepsy. It is both ironic and hilarious.
Gaara Sandalwood
Jan 14th, 2010
Actually, I try to make it clear as day I don’t tolerate the furries who try to make excuses for themselves, declare they’re an actual race that deserves equality, look down on humans for being human(I’ve actually had run-ins with these kind), and overall bawwwww when someone claims it’s just another sick fetish.
I don’t hate all furries in general, just the ones that bring attention to themselves in these manners(which is actually a lot of them from the encounters I’ve had). Most of the furries that enter WU leave or get ejected whining their asses off over a little bullshit like someone poking them. I can even name one I don’t like all that much because he does nothing but orbit people and somehow manages to keep entering the sandbox after bans.