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76 Responses to “Second Life Faction Wars: Woodbury “Raid” or JLU Drama-fest?”

1. 

   Haruhi Thespian
   

   Mar 2nd, 2010
   

   HEHEHE
   “[16:53] Haruhi Thespian: I loove beautiful tiz, tyvm”
   I honestly meant to type look not love >.<
2. 

   Otto
   

   Mar 2nd, 2010
   

   Why should anyone believe Herald stories about their friends? I”ve seen Pix hanging out with these people under Sutherland Dam poking Prok. Maybe she was just reporting. Anyway the vast majority of SL residents have never heard of and don’t care about any of these people.
3. 

   Nebula/pink
   

   Mar 2nd, 2010
   

   GLE is a good guy
4. 

   We
   

   Mar 2nd, 2010
   

   GreenLantern Excelsior at least will come here and defend his point of view against multiple people disagreeing with him, and remain civil throughout, so I have to respect that.
5. 

   GreenLantern Excelsior
   

   Mar 2nd, 2010
   

   Thank you for the flowers.

   If you guys knew Maverick you would be impressed at how much restraint he showed the Woodburyites here. It’s obvious to me that he was trying to be pleasant to a group of people who were baiting and insulting him. I didn’t see anything that bad being said on either side, but I believe that “taunts and harassing behavior” could describe the events as Maverick saw them. Remember there’s an actual person behind each avatar, with feelings and a sense of humor and wearing a real life human face. If these folks had tried talking about comic books with Maverick, it would have been a much more enjoyable conversation for both sides.

   As for the particle spam, both the Blue Lantern and Green Lantern symbols came from me. I was holding a couple of modified Bubble Wands that I use to train Lanterns and others about how to locate the source of particle spam. There was a large group of superheroes at the dance that night in the Harrington sim, and some people were demonstrating their cool particle effects. All I had was a couple of training props, but I thought they made a somewhat heroic display.
6. 

   Formerly Ugly Blokke
   

   Mar 3rd, 2010
   

   You know now I understand why that account got banned that night. It wasn’t a raid. I’m not even involved with that Woodbury,/4chan shit (No offense Tizz). Shows what they know about me.

   Anyways, It was just me and a bunch of other people who always hang in Ahern. This JLU clown guy came in that night, and I hadn’t even heard of him til afterwards from an unnamed associate of mines. The next thing I knew, I was logged out by an admin.

   A few months later, and it’s brought to my attention that Maverick AR’d me for nudity in a pg sim, which btw I was never nude. I was wearing my Spiderman Underoos, and my avatar was Grover, from Seasme Street (Muppets, not a human av with genitals). And I remember the Maverick guy giving me grief about it.

   As far as those mentioned and myself, starting this whole argument or whatever you want to call it, I was hardly paying attention to what Robble and them were talking about til I saw the particle spam. You’ll notice I typed something out in that chatlog when it happened. Also I don’t type much. I use voice to communicate primarily.

   So there you go. Fuck the JLU. Thankyou.
7. 

   need griffing
   

   Mar 3rd, 2010
   

   COOL. Green Lantern Excelsior -IS- infact a Master Griffer after all. New Greyson Station is a perfect place to griff though. Good choice there GLE. Do you work for hire, and if so, how much for another operation like the one you did in the picture above?
8. 

   Robble Rubble
   

   Mar 3rd, 2010
   

   Jeeze I gave you those screencaps and chatlogs months ago, was wondering how long before you would run an article about it.
9. 

   IntLibber Brautigan
   

   Mar 3rd, 2010
   

   This story illustrates what I’ve long stated (and the JLU and their various apologists in and out of the lab have denied, calling me a liar), that “griefing” in SL is a phenomenon primarily created by various drama queens (Prok) and vigilantes (the JLU and Angel Fluffy) dealing very poorly with a group of younger, creative, bored folks who have socialization issues. The way “griefing” in SL is dealt with, by the JLU, by Prok, and by Linden Lab makes it worse, it motivates people who would otherwise be bored stiff by the SL dramafest to make this into a rather unique sort of First Person Shooter game of “e-terrorists” vs spandex clad fools.

   Perhaps the Lab wanted it that way to drum up more public interest in SL. God knows they are doing their level best to drive out and away lots of other users.

   It would behoove Mr. Venkman to apologize for mischaracterising the Ahern events as a “Woodbury Raid”, taking time out from programming his super-ultra-sekrit-Phantom-Menace-Twilight-Zone-Big-Pajamas-boy-wonder-banninantion-system in his Fortress of Solitude.
10. 

    IntLibber Brautigan
    

    Mar 3rd, 2010
    

    “Anyway the vast majority of SL residents have never heard of and don’t care about any of these people.”

    Posted by: Otto
    —————-
    Otto,
    Posh and tush, the only thing that gets the Herald more clicks and comments than the Woodbury vs JLU vs Prok vs G-team e-drama is military faction e-drama.
11. 

    Senban Babii
    

    Mar 3rd, 2010
    

    @Otto

    “Why should anyone believe Herald stories about their friends? I”ve seen Pix hanging out with these people under Sutherland Dam poking Prok.”

    Well, as it’s my article, I’ll answer this one

    Firstly, Pix didn’t write it, I did (although she did make some slight editorial changes to my original draft as is right and proper and I’m more than happy with the changes she made). Although re-reading it I’ve noticed a couple of spelling mistakes I made so I shall beat myself with a tree branch later whilst saying a hundred Hail Philips 8D

    Secondly, while I’ve spoken briefly to several members of WU in-world, none of them are my “friends” in the sense of people I hang out with (only one is on my actual friends list – oh wait, I’m going to happily correct myself there, it’s two). I don’t hang out with them and have almost no contact with them. I’ve visited WU twice I recall and w-hat once and that’s in two and a half years. I don’t play “factions”, I have no political agenda. This story is a simple statement of facts based on evidence I checked as thoroughly as I could. I can even back that up with emails to show me questioning the source of the information used in this article and pointing out areas I was having difficulty verifying. There was actually material I deliberately cut for that very reason. If I was playing sides and posting stories to show my friends in a good light I would have thrown it up as it was passed to me, right? As it was, I went through it with a fine toothed comb, looking at who was around at Ahern that day, checking to see if any of the people in the chatlog were actually WU members on the quiet. There was indeed a griefing going on at the time of this log but it wasn’t the WU members. Funny how Maverick never bothered to note the actual griefing in the wiki (the details of which were being openly discussed by various Ahern residents including pointing out who the griefer was) and yet filed reports against Robble Rubble for giving him a pair of Robble Rubble Underoos™ and filed reports against people who simple stood there and didn’t say a word.

    If the JLU came to me and said “here is a story showing our side of things”, I’d write it up with equal effort and check the facts just as thoroughly. In fact no, that’s not correct. Given the fact that I know for a solid fact that the JLU have a history of over-exaggerating evidence, I would check their story more thoroughly than usual.

    Do I have personal opinions on the JLU and so on? Yes, and I happily make them known in the various comment sections. But when it comes to what goes in the actual articles, I strive to be impartial. As I say, I can even back that up with emails between myself and the people who supplied this and other information and also in-world chatlogs and screenshots showing me visiting New Grayson to check out the background to the screenshot used in the article for example. I always cover myself that way because I want people to know they can trust what they see under my byline as accurate.

    As a further aside, consider this fact. Pix so strongly believes in doing the right thing that she recently outed her meatself in order to do so. If this was all just a metagame of faction wars, would she go to such effort and trouble? Trust me, Pix has worked damn hard behind the scenes dealing with this DMCA business. If it was just a game or just a case of attacking the JLU to support her friends, would she honestly go to such efforts?

    Is the Herald biased? Hell yes, it’s right there in the paper’s strapline “Always Unfairly Balanced” although that’s more tongue in cheek than anything. Is it a tabloid? Hell yes, and as a tabloid we report the facts with a twist of tabloid drama and occasional silliness. That’s all part of the fun otherwise we wouldn’t all come here every day and don’t pretend that you don’t 8D
12. 

    Senban Babii
    

    Mar 3rd, 2010
    

    @GLE

    “As for the particle spam, both the Blue Lantern and Green Lantern symbols came from me.”

    O RLY? I’ve been told differently by other people who were there. But of course it’s one word against another. But that was one of the facts I endeavoured to verify because it would have been relatively easy to fake that kind of thing and as I’ve said above, I try to check everything as far as I reasonably can.

    @Robble Rubble

    “Jeeze I gave you those screencaps and chatlogs months ago, was wondering how long before you would run an article about it. ”

    Hehe well, I wrote the piece ages ago but events unfolded that meant it was necessary to hold it back i.e. the DMCA issue. But it’s out now

    Also, as you’ve mentioned it yourself, I’m happy to add that Robble is one of the two WU people on my friends list and that he supplied these chatlogs/screenshots. And I’m sure he’ll confirm I can be frustrating to work with because he’s the one who gets all the “I can’t use this information, I can’t verify it” emails and IMs. Well, he gets most of them. I get information from other sources too

    /me puts on her Robble Rubble Underoos™ and runs round the garden squealing “I AM AN JLU” until it’s time for bed
13. 

    Gundel Gaukelei
    

    Mar 3rd, 2010
    

    @Senban
    I always feel kinda insulted by attempts to manipulate my opinion with such little effort. I expect you to show at least some respect to my IQ by trying harder. Anyone with the lightest trace of a brain can see its not innocent smalltalk but a clear case of baiting. All it does is making you look like a hypocrite. I’ve been all against JLU, until you run this article. Congrats – you changed it.
14. 

    Senban Babii
    

    Mar 3rd, 2010
    

    @Gundel Gaukelei

    Hmm, interesting viewpoint. But you need to understand something.

    It’s not the role of a reporter to “manipulate opinion”. It’s the role of a report to “report”. By reporting the facts, the opinion is left to the reader to form. I’m actually pleased that you’ve formed an opinion based upon the article! And I want you to remember something important – without the article, you wouldn’t have been able to form an informed opinion. Some people will read the facts and form this opinion, others will read the facts and form that opinion. I’m not here to manipulate opinion, spread propaganda, serve an agenda, promote certain friends or groups or attack certain people and groups. I’m here to report facts, nothing more and nothing less. That reporting is done with a tabloid mindset sure but beneath it all, the idea is simply this:-

    “To inform the reader so that they can form their own opinions”

    In my opinion, a couple of the WU members did indeed engage in a little baiting of someone they knew would rise to the bait i.e. Maverick Grunfeld (hell, they’ll probably agree that this is true themselves). But they certainly weren’t taunting and harrassing residents as Maverick claimed in his filed reports in the JLU wiki; they were taunting and harassing HIM and not one single other person (with the potential exception of their own mole as a way to help ensure her cover remained plausible). Those reports were exaggerated and flawed and failed to report the ACTUAL griefing event that was taking place right under Maverick’s nose. He clearly felt it was more necessary to file reports against people who weren’t interacting with him in the slightest or even associated with those people just based on the fact he had prior issues with them.

    And Maverick clearly rose to the bait and began to boast, threaten and intimidate which only served to fuel the situation, just as has been mentioned by others here.

    Now let’s also remember the bigger picture here. These reports were being filed in the JLU wiki by Maverick. And those reports could be and were used by others to cause problems for certain people, such as the WU people in this instance. We’ve already seen in this very comment thread an example of how someone entirely unrelated was account banned based upon Maverick’s actions at the time. This wasn’t a “Woodbury Raid” as he claimed but a “JLU Drama Fest” that resulted in consequences for innocent people.

    But regardless, I’m genuinely happy that you’ve formed an opinion based on what I wrote
15. 

    Gaara Sandalwood
    

    Mar 3rd, 2010
    

    “As for the particle spam, both the Blue Lantern and Green Lantern symbols came from me. I was holding a couple of modified Bubble Wands that I use to train Lanterns and others about how to locate the source of particle spam. There was a large group of superheroes at the dance that night in the Harrington sim, and some people were demonstrating their cool particle effects. All I had was a couple of training props, but I thought they made a somewhat heroic display.”

    So a bunch of WU members stand around somewhat clothed, without doing anything that seems wrong by normal(with the emphasis on normal)standards, and it’s a major raid, meanwhile, JLU and other super heroes fill a club’s dance floor with symbols of the Lantern Corps(the above picture definitely doesn’t look like mere bubble wands), to the point the average players there complain about it, and it’s a heroic effort?

    Can the defenses of the JLU’s reputation get any more rediculous than they are now, honestly?

    *Glances at pic again*

    I stand corrected. It doesn’t seem to fill the whole club dance floor, but rather the whole club in general.

    Bravo JLU. Bravo.
16. 

    Senban Babii
    

    Mar 3rd, 2010
    

    @Gaara Sandalwood

    “I stand corrected. It doesn’t seem to fill the whole club dance floor, but rather the whole club in general.”

    For the record, I went to the exact co-ordinates shown in that screenshot of New Grayson. Just going to the general location wasn’t enough, I wanted to get some idea of context. Like I said, I’m thorough. And you’re right.
17. 

    GreenLantern Excelsior
    

    Mar 3rd, 2010
    

    @ Senban

    “O RLY? I’ve been told differently by other people who were there. But of course it’s one word against another. But that was one of the facts I endeavoured to verify because it would have been relatively easy to fake that kind of thing and as I’ve said above, I try to check everything as far as I reasonably can.”

    Don’t reporters usually try to check all the evidence and interview everyone involved prior to writing a story? If you had talked to me about it, I would have identified both of the symbols in the picture and demonstrated the particle emitters that generated them. You would have realized that Superman wouldn’t be spamming Blue Lantern particles. Talk to me – I won’t lie to you!

    An interesting fact that’s part of this story is that Haruhi Thespian wrote Article #4364 in the Brainiac database on January 4. The Article stated that Information Core was taunting and harassing residents in a Linden Welcome Area in the Morris region. I think it’s included in that large table of JLU Articles that was posted in an earlier Herald thread.

    @ Gaara

    “JLU and other super heroes fill a club’s dance floor with symbols of the Lantern Corps…”

    The club, New Grayson Station, and the Harrington sim overall are owned by a JLU member. Most of the guests were JLU members, all of the particles came from JLU members, and I heard no complaints. It was a fun evening.
18. 

    Alyx Stoklitsky
    

    Mar 3rd, 2010
    

    >Bebb
    >Woodbury
    >Implying I didn’t kick him from the group shortly after the Emit Time/Alliance Navy trolling.
19. 

    nebula/pink
    

    Mar 3rd, 2010
    

    I started griefing becuase i had many residents of second life complain to me about jlu saying someone needs to do something. I ended griefing after it became to much work and drama and no fun. Not to mention the constant begging from people saying “can i has nebula life viewer” or “can i habbbe neil life 2.4 log in trick pweases” The sad fact is JLU really inspires more griefers to start trollin and attacking simulators.

    Now GLE and BLC on the other hand in my first hand experience in dealing with them, they do things the right way. GLE just files off and AR if he sees actual griefing like particle spam or boxes, BLC is just a pathetic sandbox patrol, but as far as i know they don’t make retarded wiki entries or attempt to spy on peoples RL information like only venkmen does.

    They both keep second life a game, which is what it is a GAME. there are people who play it and people who try to ruin it for others. in between there are people who try to help others in the game and make it a better expreince.

    JLU has crossed that line in helping people. How helpful is it honestly to keep what is tons of pages on Tizzy or to send many AR’s to people, myself included who have moved on from griefing realized its childish and harmful to others on a legitimate account to try and get them banned. That is more likely to provoke a negative response from someone. If JLU were to make the entire wiki public and I mean the entire wiki. Then people could see things for themselves.

    One quick thing: I would harldy consider most of WU griefers. Robble is more of a troll then anything from what ive seen he jsut sits in what or WU all day talkign to people and making odd looking objects and avatars, that is purley creativity which WU inspires. Leebra Mai ejects anyone spamming or griefing on sight and normally says “take you skiddie 4chan shit elsewhere” Tizzy has a strict no sim crashing policy, and the only real griefer ive seen in there is KFC man and myself back when i was a griefer and for the record I was not welcome in WU the mods would eject me on sight. so lay the hell off of WU all they do is make wierd avatars and construct good thought inspired builds which are very fun to look at. in other words they inspire creativity not hate.

    I honestly think that JLU at this point and time should rework how they do things or go the hell away.

    Step one tear down wiki or make most or all of it public.

    Step two only report people for legitimate reasons not just for say example “provides funding for nebula griefing” I know for a fact that this got users banned when the truth is no one ever gave me money. I threw that out there as a red herring to fool JLU it worked. I fed them plenty of false information. They ate it all up and in the process sent off abuse reports without doing any real detective work over them. They sent FALSE REPORTS which people did banned over for things they never did.

    Step three: stop the RL spying, don’t try to take legal action against people, leave it to linden lab. Once again using myself as an exapmle the jlu wanted to send a letter to the dean of my college (lol) to inform him that im terrorizing people with cubes and penis guns in a game. Not once have i used a cock gun thank you very much. And if GLE or any jlu see this post it was under one of your meeting logs check the wiki. Leave the game as a game don’t fuck with peoples real lives. Give the information to LL next time and let them do things if they decide to see fit. They all so make references to my face book pages and email. Ive had a couple people message me on face book and myspace from Second life threatening me and bitching and crying at me. I have issued a public apology so why continue to keep records over me. I don’t even keep any viewers on my computer any more. So keep the game a game, after all N3x15 got the party van called on him. He did not deserve that action now did he? eventually like me he would have moved on. The JLU will probably want to say “you only quit because we were gonna get yoooooouuuuu” The wiki wasn’t public at that time so how would i know what you knew about me i left out of frustration and bordum lol not to mention i just grew up a little thanks to a certain someone in sl sitting down and having a legitimate adult to adult talk with me.

    If the JLU could make these changes and take a more ethical approach then they would be much better off then sneaking around and doing what their doing now as they themselves should be considered griefers at this point.

    on this article is in b4bawwwwwwww
20. 

    Senban Babii
    

    Mar 3rd, 2010
    

    @GLE

    “Don’t reporters usually try to check all the evidence and interview everyone involved prior to writing a story? If you had talked to me about it, I would have identified both of the symbols in the picture and demonstrated the particle emitters that generated them. You would have realized that Superman wouldn’t be spamming Blue Lantern particles. Talk to me – I won’t lie to you!”

    Don’t superheroes deal with actual villains or do they ignore actual griefers and focus on people basically minding their own business, writing up exaggerated reports to give themselves a sense of superimportance and a raison d’etre when none exists?

    I check my story as far as is reasonably possible. Does the JLU? In fact, the evidence suggests the JLU makes up its own stories, doesn’t it? At least mine are based on facts which I have gone out and verified

    As for Superman not spamming with Blue Lantern particles. I can spam with Mario particles but I’m sure as flip not Donkey Kong. I can spam with Jell-owned! particles but I’m sure as flip not in the PN. Hell, if I go and upload a Green Lantern logo I can be you! According to your logic I can only spam with Senbans (which I can do too 8P) when clearly I can use any texture I feel like.

    Oh and I’d happily come and talk to you Only I’d end up with my chatlogs in a wiki and suddenly find someone saying I didn’t own my own words anymore. You want to give me an exclusive interview? Be my guest. But the wiki stays outside and you grant full permission to print any and all words and images related to the interview. I may have some other conditions, I’ll think about it (I’m tempted to say you must wear a loaf of bread on your head throughout the interview just for fun XD) Oh and you let me have a look inside that orbitting place I saw on the blog overlooking the Earth because that actually did look cool 8D And I can poke and prod anything I want, take photos of anything I want and ask any question I want. You want to have your say and present your story to the world? Then shine the Senban Signal! Um okay, I don’t have a Senban Signal so just IM me. Why don’t I have a Senban Signal? I’m talking to my agent about this, I can’t work with these amateurs *mumble mutter*
21. 

    Sylauxe Zhao
    

    Mar 3rd, 2010
    

    I am planning on starting a Paul Blart: Mall Cop Mall Patrol group to protect shopping centers from griefers. All interested parties should email me at bl4rtf4n777@hotmail.com. Please include a list of former employments and a 500 word essay about why you love Paul Blart and why you would be a good Mall Cop.

    NO GRIEFERS NEED APPLY, TIA
22. 

    All Seeing Eye
    

    Mar 3rd, 2010
    

    Yes this epic sort of thing will surely convince prominent influential molders of the future rest assured that Second Life® is srs bsnsss lmao
23. 

    GreenLantern Excelsior
    

    Mar 3rd, 2010
    

    @ Senban

    “I check my story as far as is reasonably possible.”

    I think it would be nice if you would talk to the people involved rather than just printing the chat log and the picture and drawing conclusions. I’m sure the Woodbury folks would be eager to tell their side of the story, and I would too. I could have gone back to Harrington and recreated the photo while explaining what happened that night.

    We can do an “off the record” interview if you like. That is, I’ll promise not to put the logs in the BWiki, and I’ll give you written permission at the end to give your log to anyone you want (the same as I did with Gaara and Pixeleen in the last few days). I have nothing to hide, and I think it would be cool to get the real story of the JLU in print rather than just the accusations and rumors that are always flying around. Security in Justice Island is very high at the moment, as I’m sure you can understand, so I can’t guarantee you a tour of the Watchtower, but I will try.

    @ Sylauxe Zhao

    “I am planning on starting a Paul Blart: Mall Cop Mall Patrol group to protect shopping centers from griefers.”

    You should have a cool hover-Segway for patrolling. May I be your training officer?
24. 

    vince braver
    

    Mar 3rd, 2010
    

    Every day the articles on SLH make me hate life.
25. 

    Gaara Sandalwood
    

    Mar 3rd, 2010
    

    “For the record, I went to the exact co-ordinates shown in that screenshot of New Grayson. Just going to the general location wasn’t enough, I wanted to get some idea of context. Like I said, I’m thorough. And you’re right.”

    Ah. Good find then. And thanks, I have a fair share of club experience.

    “The club, New Grayson Station, and the Harrington sim overall are owned by a JLU member. Most of the guests were JLU members, all of the particles came from JLU members, and I heard no complaints. It was a fun evening.”

    I work at a place called Club Carnage, which I am a good standing bouncer at. I am in a high position, but I am not allowed to play particular gestures such as “crab battle” and “fucking obnoxious noise”, despite being good friends with the owner of the club, because they tend to flood room chat and overshadow the music in volume. It’s called standards, and in my honest opinion what you’re saying seems to be a clear indication that you have few on your part. Now, granted, it is your club and I personally have no real right to say you guys were in the wrong on the subject of the particles. What I do say though, is that it’s hypocritical since you were filling the club with particles but blamed the WU members present for raiding in your wiki. I noticed something about “Robble Rubble Underoos”. Technically, even if the club didn’t allow full nudity, something covering the general area of the male genitalia should be sufficiant in terms of expectations of following said rule.

    Just putting that out there.
26. 

    Sylauxe Zhao
    

    Mar 3rd, 2010
    

    @GreenLantern Excelsior

    Paul Blart owns.
27. 

    IntLibber Brautigan
    

    Mar 3rd, 2010
    

    @ Sylauxe Zhao

    “I am planning on starting a Paul Blart: Mall Cop Mall Patrol group to protect shopping centers from griefers.”

    You should have a cool hover-Segway for patrolling. May I be your training officer?

    Posted by: GreenLantern Excelsior | March 03, 2010 at 06:21 PM
    ——-

    Someone please open an SL bank so this old GLE guy can play rent-a-cop sitting down with coffee and donuts…
28. 

    Alyx Stoklitsky
    

    Mar 4th, 2010
    

    >Someone please open an SL bank

    Have you honestly learned fucking nothing?
29. 

    Obvious Schism
    

    Mar 4th, 2010
    

    “You should have a cool hover-Segway for patrolling.”

    I have a Segway you can borrow (though it has wheels, not hover). I ride it around Zindra in my priest outfit whilst proclaiming the place to be full of damnation and horror.
30. 

    Senban Babii
    

    Mar 4th, 2010
    

    @GLE

    “I think it would be nice if you would talk to the people involved rather than just printing the chat log and the picture and drawing conclusions. I’m sure the Woodbury folks would be eager to tell their side of the story, and I would too. I could have gone back to Harrington and recreated the photo while explaining what happened that night.”

    Because that’s how the media works, right?

    Here’s my take on this. Someone came to me with a story. Actually TWO people came to me with a story. They told me about an event. They provided chatlogs. They provided screenshots. I checked the details of what I was given. Almost everything checked out. The few things that didn’t check out were not by definition false or fictitious, I simply was unable to verify them post fact. As such, I didn’t include them.

    Now, what you’re saying is that I should have also then gone out and got your side of the story. But we’re getting ahead of ourselves here, right? Because this story isn’t about *you*. It’s about Maverick Grunfeld a.k.a. Batcakes, right? And there was no need to contact Batcakes to get his version of events because his version of events is plain to see by looking at the chatlogs and also his subsequent reports filed in the wiki.

    What you’re trying to do is deflect attention away from the core of the story and refocus it on your activities at New Grayson. I can understand why naturally. Now you’ve said that the version of the New Grayson spamming is not what it appears. I reported the facts as presented to me by my sources. Those facts checked out and the evidence supports those facts. You claim it was something else. Well you would, right? The chance for you to voice your thoughts is right here in the comments thread of the article. You’ve now voiced your thoughts and people can make their own minds up as to which appears to be the truth.

    Here’s the deal. People came to me with a story. It checked out. It showed you (the JLU) in a bad light. You can’t deny the validity of the main story, particle spamming aside. If you want to tell your story, bring me those stories. I’ll report those just the same. I have no personal agenda when it comes to reporting. The fact is, you can’t complain that your story is not being told if you’re not bringing those stories to the Herald staff in the first place. If you don’t tell your story, other people will.

    “Security in Justice Island is very high at the moment, as I’m sure you can understand, so I can’t guarantee you a tour of the Watchtower, but I will try.”

    Kalolcakes would probably have a fit at the very thought. But I’m sure you can hide the guilty secrets before I arrive. My only interest in visiting your Watchtower is because it actually looked cool. I liked the impression of a satellite in orbit over the Earth just as a creative build to explore.

    If you want me to report your stories then you know where I am. I’ll take your stories, check them out (I don’t write propaganda pieces) and then write them up with the Herald’s trademark tabloid twist. How about “Coffee With GreenLantern Excelsior” as a general interview? How about “On Patrol With The JLU – A Day In The Life Of A Superhero”? I’ll even wear my Robin costume 8P

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/whenitchanged/4314218281/

    But *I* pick the time. I don’t want some suspiciously new accounts griefing just so that the JLU can show how much work they actually do, yes?

    Ooh! I know a TV studio we can use so let’s set it up as an interview. Tonight on Babii Talk, we sit down with GreenLantern Excelsior for an exclusive interview regarding recent events in the JLU, his personal motivations and history and if we’re lucky, he might perform his new single for us 8P I can even take questions from the audience (IMd to me in advance) and put them to GLE 8D Talk to my agent darlings, let’s do lunch *mwah*
31. 

    Senban Babii
    

    Mar 4th, 2010
    

    @Obvious Schism

    “I have a Segway you can borrow (though it has wheels, not hover). I ride it around Zindra in my priest outfit whilst proclaiming the place to be full of damnation and horror.”

    I’d pay good money to see that XD
32. 

    IntLibber Brautigan
    

    Mar 4th, 2010
    

    Someone please open an SL bank

    Have you honestly learned fucking nothing?

    Posted by: Alyx Stoklitsky
    —————————-

    Lessee… Entropia still has banks and is growing, they’re now opening a new virtual world called Next Island. SL turned away from having financial activities and is dying. Simple correlation results. Lesson: SL is populated and run by retards.
33. 

    Bob
    

    Mar 4th, 2010
    

    @Senban Babii
    your articles and post comments completely make my day every time. Keep up the good work and thank you for being so awesome.
34. 

    Robble Rubble
    

    Mar 4th, 2010
    

    @Intblubber

    What are you doing out of your mom’s basement? Also why are you trying to act like you are still relevant?

    @everyone

    Senban isn’t kidding about how in depth she scrutinizes her information. A lot of information I have gave her she would flat out reject if she couldn’t confirm it.
35. 

    Obvious Schism
    

    Mar 4th, 2010
    

    @ Senban

    “I’d pay good money to see that XD”

    Oh I don’t charge for my services to the community, which I see as part of my duty really – just like the JLU I guess. I expect I’ll be doing the rounds again this weekend so just drop by.
36. 

    Kiddoh
    

    Mar 4th, 2010
    

    “Lesson: SL is populated and run by retards.”

    Are you sure you’re not confusing SL with the E-business you ran into the ground?
37. 

    Gen. Populace
    

    Mar 4th, 2010
    

    ” And those reports could be and were used by others to cause problems for certain people, such as the WU people in this instance.”

    Come on, everyone knows that the only people causing problems for the WU people, are the WU people.

    That’s what happens if you socialize with known griefers, as WU has done with the PN in the past, go all crazy with thier style and memes like WU has done and still does, and basically do whatever you can to let people know where you’re coming from and what you liek.

    WU is seen in general as a griefing group, and they have noone to thank for that but themselves and their buddies.

    If it looks like one, acts like one, and talks like one…
38. 

    Kiddoh
    

    Mar 4th, 2010
    

    @Gen. Populace:

    Your line of logic is amazing and by that I mean it’s horribly flawed.
39. 

    Corsi Mousehold
    

    Mar 4th, 2010
    

    Here’s a bit of a story. IN years past the JLU were a welcomed member of the FurNation community. They didn’t bother anyone and no one really bothered them. That was until we were under a griefer attack and the JLU came over to ‘assist’ and the first thing they did was report ME to the lab for griefing. They approached me and yelled at me for causing the issue. I asked them why they reported me of all people. By this time I had already deleted all the offensive material. They told me that I was the one putting it all out and they had seen me doing it. Basically they had watched me selecting objects to return them. They were extremely rude to me at the time and informed me that they would have reports go up on me. I contacted Kalel and he too said I was being reported and then for harassment as well. I was not rude to these people at all. It was several days later that I was contacted by Kalel informing me that the ‘charges’ had been dropped because they did not realize I was the sim owner. My response of course was to point to the info hub I had in the center of the sandbox that had my name clearly displayed as the sim owner and if his comrades had taken a moment to look they would have seen I was in the admin team.

    He called me ungrateful and abuse reported me again. I was informed of this by him as well as he had several of his friends make the same report. All reports were dismissed by the GOV team as illegitimate. Soon I had JLU members ‘patrolling’ the sandboxes and abuse reporting anyone that they felt was disobeying my rules. They started to get several members of my community banned. I was forced to add a new sim rule that the JLU were not allowed in the sim for any reason. When they had seen this, I was reported again for griefing. Again the report was dismissed.

    In the end I was approached months later by Green Lantern Corps asking if it was okay for them to be there. They apologized for the treatment the JLU had given me and asked if they would be allowed to just come and build.

    Green Lantern Corps are allowed to visit and act if they wish. But they are not allowed to be in tag or act as a part of the Corps while visiting. If they are the subject of a griefing they are to come to me and I would take care of it. They can then file all the reports they like.

    In the end the JLU are a bunch of power hungry crazed nutjobs that think being an SL Police force gives them the right to get away with whatever they want. The GLC on the other hand have always been very respectful to me and my residents.
40. 

    Senban Babii
    

    Mar 4th, 2010
    

    @Bob

    “your articles and post comments completely make my day every time. Keep up the good work and thank you for being so awesome.”

    Haha thanks. I appreciate the kind words Though I’m only semi-awesome really. I’m the Diet Coke of awesome.
    I’m quasi-awesome. The margarine of awesome 8D
41. 

    Bob
    

    Mar 5th, 2010
    

    @Senban

    whoa, hold it right there pilgrim. Diet Coke IS awesomeness incarnate.
42. 

    Gen. Populace
    

    Mar 5th, 2010
    

    @ Kiddoh

    Is it? If I make a new account, put on a black suit, afro, and dark skin, and start spewing 4chan memes, what do you suppose people think? You dont think that they will at least remember the PN (rest in peace) and the kind of avatars and outfits they wore.

    Or hey, for another example, if I put on a fox AV and go around asking everyone I meet for yiff, dont you think people will think something along the lines of “damn furries”?
    If I TP into the woodbury or What sim in that fox AV, I will get the same treatment as any furry would.

    I dont know what’s so flawed about my logic in that. Maybe you can point it out? Or is it that it’s not my logic that is flawed…?
43. 

    General Drama
    

    Mar 6th, 2010
    

    @Gen. Populace,
    “Is it? If I make a new account, put on a black suit, afro, and dark skin, and start spewing 4chan memes, what do you suppose people think?”

    It is a proven fact that people are retards, esp any given member of the general populace. They are also ignorant, racist, bigoted, illiterate, innumerate, poorly educated. Wearing afrosuit is an iq test for the rest of you. You all fail.
44. 

    Gen. Drama
    

    Mar 6th, 2010
    

    @General Drama

    I wont deny that, people are retards in general.

    But that is beside the point, really.
45. 

    Gen. Populace
    

    Mar 6th, 2010
    

    Apologies, the above comment directed at Gen. Drama, was mine.

    my bad.
46. 

    Kiddoh
    

    Mar 6th, 2010
    

    @Gen. Populace:

    Again, you’re logic is flawed lol.
47. 

    Kiddoh
    

    Mar 6th, 2010
    

    @Gen. Populace

    Also; I should elaborate now that I have had my coffee.
    If you TP to any WU sim, we usually wait until you fuck up before doing anything. And even then, the same rules apply for just about everyone else. We’ve even slapped some of our own mods in the face.

    Not every black guy with an afro is a 4chan spouting faggot, and not every furry is a raging sex deprived 15 year old homosexual.

    Also;

    “Is it? If I make a new account, put on a black suit, afro, and dark skin, and start spewing 4chan memes, what do you suppose people think?”

    People will think you’re a god-damned wannabe.
48. 

    Gen. Populace
    

    Mar 7th, 2010
    

    “Not every black guy with an afro is a 4chan spouting faggot, and not every furry is a raging sex deprived 15 year old homosexual.”

    Yeah, I know that, you know that, but here comes the point I been trying to make clear: Not everybody knows that, and that’s not really how it works in the real world.

    People are judged on what they seem to be.

    There’s nothing ‘flawed’ about that ‘logic’, that’s just how society at large works. If they cant see who the person is, they see what the person is. Skin colour, religion, gender.

    And excuse me for seeing all woodury members and /b/tards and goons the same way, I have been given very very little reasons to see them differently.
49. 

    Kiddoh
    

    Mar 7th, 2010
    

    Oioi~ society at large? And yes, your logic is STILL flawed. You’re telling everyone to follow in the path of the stupid. No sound person would ever follow in such foot-steps.

    “And excuse me for seeing all woodury members and /b/tards and goons the same way, I have been given very very little reasons to see them differently.”

    Another example of faulty logic. If we were all the same, there wouldn’t be so many different factions in the first place and each one has their own flavor~<3

    “Yeah, I know that, you know that, but here comes the point I been trying to make clear: Not everybody knows that, and that’s not really how it works in the real world.”

    Your point is weak and useless. Instead of encouraging stupid people to continue being stupid you should be encouraging them to think for themselves. I should also remind you that SL is nothing like the real world. There’s no reason to judge anyone based on appearance especially when someone’s appearance in SL can be rather deceiving.

    “If it looks like one, acts like one, and talks like one…”

    So in SL; if it looks like a girl, acts like a girl, and talks like a girl. That must mean it’s a girl, right? Sorry, but there’s a high probability that girl has a penis irl.
50. 

    General Drama
    

    Mar 7th, 2010
    

    People are judged on what they seem to be.

    There’s nothing ‘flawed’ about that ‘logic’, that’s just how society at large works. If they cant see who the person is, they see what the person is. Skin colour, religion, gender.

    And excuse me for seeing all woodury members and /b/tards and goons the same way, I have been given very very little reasons to see them differently.

    Posted by: Gen. Populace
    _________________________

    Of course its flawed. You can’t excuse bigotry by saying “thats just how society works”. Shit, if you are so right then puts dem wimmens back in de kitchen barefoot and pregnant, and we negros will stay in de back o de bus mkay? Keep de wops in little Italy, an dem WASPs will just keep marryin amongst demselfs…

    No, society progresses, people learn, and yesterdays ignorant bigotry is socially unacceptable today, todays bigotry will be unacceptable tomorrow. Those of you who continue to judge people, both prejudging based on your bigoted biases, or judging them based on what others claim about them, you remain ignorant, bigoted, fools. Those of you who continue to take life oh so seriously, especially a virtual life, and repeatedly prove yourself incapable of laughing at yourself, at your ignorance, incapable of being enlightened by the humor of others, will remain insufferable, self absorbed, emotionally fragile infants living in a technocolor hugbox.

    Life in a free society is about growing, learning, expanding ones mind, growing wiser and laughing, playing, and enjoying life and each others company, challenging each other to do and be better, exercising ones freedoms without fear of repression from any source. Bigotry, ignorance, tyranny, secrecy, and thuggish vigilantiism have no place in a free society.

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