SHOCK! Defne Demar Joins Herald Staff – Instantly Outs Herself!!!
by Alphaville Herald on 23/04/10 at 4:06 am
by Idoru Wellman, staff writer
In a press release today, Pixeleen Mistral and Urizenus Sklar announced Defne Demar has joined the Herald staff. Ms. Demar ended minutes of speculation by admitting her real life typist is none other than Burcu S. Bakioglu – a noted new media scholar who authored Spectacular Interventions of Second Life: Goon Culture, Griefing, and Disruption in Virtual Spaces. Ms. Demar will be covering the griefer and mafia beat for the Herald, providing the sort of immersed, informed, and engaged meta-game analysis that can only be found on these pages.
Defne Demar joins Pixeleen Mistral at Herald HQ in Jessie sim
Ms. Demar was initially recruited by Herald founder Urizenus Sklar, who recently has taken up involuntary semi-permanent residence in Amsterdam. When reached for comment, Urizenus said "none of that Moët crap was involved in the negotiations – that’s not how the Herald rolls – now wtf is up with all this volcanic ash, anyway?"
Meanwhile, Herald managing editrix Pixeleen Mistral took a break from a secretive round of sea trials with the new Herald yacht to meet with Demar at the Herald offices in Jessie sim and welcome her to the paper. The pair were later seen sipping sake somewhere near downtown Durham discussing how to explain the real story behind tuesday’s mass ban of the Woodbury faction.
Scout
Apr 23rd, 2010
Congratulations, and well timed too! The Woodbury Story would be interesting to read from a new perspective.
try romulan brandy
Apr 23rd, 2010
Amsterdam? Thats probably not volcanic ash. Its probably micro-tarballs aglutenating at the upper levels of the smoke coloum in the Zen Room and then falling back to earth.
skills
Apr 23rd, 2010
Hi Tenshi!
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IntLibber Brautigan
Apr 23rd, 2010
Burcu! Glad to see you joining a semirespectable virtual rag.
Any bets on how soon before Prok accuses you of being a griefer?
Miki Gymnast
Apr 23rd, 2010
Moët
prost!
nevasayneva
Apr 23rd, 2010
blonde lebonese temple balls!
GreenLantern Excelsior
Apr 23rd, 2010
The best story I’ve seen that explains the mass ban of Woodbury members, the deletion of their group, and the removal of their sims, is entitled “The Strange And Terrible Saga Of The Soviet Commuter College” and is located here:
http://brokentoys.org/2010/04/22/the-strange-and-terrible-saga-of-the-soviet-commuter-college/
Welcome aboard to the new…writer? Editor? Bug Pixeleen to add your name to the list of staff members.
Defne Demar
Apr 23rd, 2010
Thanks for the welcome folks! Nice to be back
Gaara Sandalwood
Apr 23rd, 2010
Huzzah for the new editor.
Senban Babii
Apr 23rd, 2010
@GLE
“The best story I’ve seen that explains the mass ban of Woodbury members, the deletion of their group, and the removal of their sims, is entitled “The Strange And Terrible Saga Of The Soviet Commuter College” and is located here:”
I’ve just read that so-called review of the events. It reads exactly like the kind of propaganda spouted by the self-appointed vigilantes trying to generate a faster tempo of information than the other side so as to win the propaganda war. That article has so many incorrect facts and downright lies that it makes me want to vomit and then urinate on that vomit to express just how wrong it is. As always, the only place to get the truth is the Herald. Instead of rushing to plaster the internets with as many fast articles as possible, we take our time to get the actual facts, as evidenced by our proof that the alleged Woodbury Raid on Ahern was in fact Maverick Grunfeld stirring up trouble with false reports.
On that note, welcome to Defne Demar <3
Ps speaking of staff lists….. 8D
Bubblesort Triskaidekaphobia
Apr 23rd, 2010
Welcome to the Herald!
I hope Pix told you about the hazing ritual here. You must provoke at least one angry rant on Prok’s blog with your first article or else Pix makes you spell check Pappy’s articles for a month.
kaboom
Apr 23rd, 2010
The opening shot from the Neva blog has been fired across the Herald bow. Here is an excerpt for educational purposes:
“In fact, Bakioglu, by being a “media studies” scholar winds up being a lazy gonzo sociologist, not even a gonzo journalist, but a party girl who rides along with the WU pack as they go out griefing by her own admission and applauds what they do, never subjecting it to any moral category, finding it merely a meta-media imperative. Perhaps she’s even been in the Sutherland dam on an alt, which is of course unethical, and involves observing and experimenting on people without their permission.”
And another excerpt:
“…Second Life where the great rentals god Prokofy Neva was in charge…”
Events in SL are beginning to spiral out of control…
Darien Caldwell
Apr 23rd, 2010
Heh, saying someone joined the Herald Staff is like saying another bum pulled his cardboard box into the alley. XD
Welcome to the neighborhood.
rptb1
Apr 23rd, 2010
@Senban: I’ve been following this story for days, reading everything I can find from all sides. And I visited the builds before they vanished, taking note of who owned what. I don’t know any of the people involved. I’m quite new to the this whole subject.
To me, http://brokentoys.org/2010/04/22/the-strange-and-terrible-saga-of-the-soviet-commuter-college/ looks like a good summary, so if it’s as full of lies as you say then you’d better get writing. In particular, I’d love to hear how this http://brokentoys.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/woodbury-sl.jpg is not an act of bullying.
In http://alphavilleherald.com/2010/04/worlds-collide-at-virtual-pet-memorial-service.html, Millennium Sands said “For this reporter and any other common rezident, griefers are only clowns, providing entertainment to rezidents who know they can’t be really harmed in SL.” Yes. People playing around — fine. I even think everyone should be able to put up with the *occasional* inconvenience of other people playing around. We should all be mature enough to laugh at a prank. But sometimes people don’t know when to stop, and then they show the ugly side of human nature in bullying and victimising the easy target. Being in SL doesn’t make that OK.
Neo Citizen
Apr 23rd, 2010
There won’t be any coverage of the Woodbury incident in the Herald, because they’d have to find some way to prove that everything that’s being said about Woodbury is a lie, and since there are literally mountains of direct evidence, that would be pretty hard.
The Herald jumped the shark, assuming that Woodbury would just go unchallenged forever, and that ten lies are better than one truth. Now that there IS no Woodbury anymore (they’re not even allowed to congregate in-world, let alone present themselves as Woodbury), there’s nothing more to report, but the summary of their misdeeds as the smoke screen slowly clears.
Senban Babii
Apr 23rd, 2010
@rptb1
“so if it’s as full of lies as you say then you’d better get writing”
Been there, done it, got the attacks from JLU supporters to prove it 8D
Here for example.
http://alphavilleherald.com/2010/03/second-life-faction-wars-woodbury-raid-or-jlu-dramafest.html
There were plenty of other articles here too. It’s worth reading the comment discussions too because a lot of the detail came out in those, including a lot of proof that the JLU tried to create an enemy for them to extend their roleplay beyond normal bounds. GLE tried to be the voice of reason for a while and present the JLU in a better light but he repeatedly ignored the actual issues and attempted to focus on minor issues, inflating them to misdirect attention. But when his tactics continually failed as they did, he ended up instead getting increasingly hostile and threatening to watch our porch lights, which was all sorts of creepy in itself XD
Like I say, that “summary” is nothing but an edited version of some of the facts, designed to show the JLU in a good light and create the impression they’ve saved us all from the evil machinations of those lovable rogues at Woodbury. As you’re new, I’ll point out that I wasn’t a member of that group or even loosely associated apart from knowing a couple of members, some of whom passed me some of the evidence I used in my articles.
Lum Lumley
Apr 23rd, 2010
The thought that my writing is “designed to show the JLU in a good light” is wonderfully ridiculous, considering that I spend most of my time on SC accusing GreenLantern Excelsior of raping babies (our politics differ, to put it mildly). In fact my only mention of JLU in the piece was to describe them as Mary Sue roleplayers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Sue
On topic: oh, look, the Herald is going to be covering griefing in an approving light, with pseudo-academic justification. Gosh. That’s never happened before.
rptb1
Apr 23rd, 2010
@senban: I’ve read all that (before, and again, just now) and it doesn’t seem to show up anything in the brokentoys article as vomit-and-pee-inducingly duplicitous. Or even particularly inaccurate. And I haven’t seen a connection between JLU or GLE and the bullying at Ravenglass.
FlipperPA Peregrine
Apr 23rd, 2010
Yay, Burcu! Great addition to the team. That laptop has some good RAM in it!
Nickajondra
Apr 23rd, 2010
Aww, did Dudlow find another sacrificial lamb? Let me be among the first to welcome you to the armpit of the metaverse! Are you going to lure griefers into falling in love with you and then leave them flat too, “new media scholar”? LOL, Look at me! I can make up “important sounding” titles!
And look at little, spoiled E-kiddie Flipper PA the spineless “nice guy” falling all over himself for another griefer disguised as a journo. Hilarious!
Bubblesort Triskaidekaphobia
Apr 23rd, 2010
WOOT! It looks like we got a great reporter on our hands. She hasn’t written anything and Prok has already ranted about her. I think that’s a new record for a new reporter here.
@rptb1: “In particular, I’d love to hear how this http://brokentoys.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/woodbury-sl.jpg is not an act of bullying.
… Being in SL doesn’t make that OK.”
Actually, being in SL does make it OK. Bullying only happens in SL when people take things too seriously and don’t know when to log off. We value free speech online, and that picture is just photographs on prims. It’s obviously political commentary, and that kind of commentary is the kind of thing we should expect from academics and students. It’s not like anybody in that picture was assaulting somebody while they are trying to work or something.
Saying somebody is bullying Prok is just silly. Prok is a troll. He knows exactly what he’s doing and he enjoys it. He knows how to give the greifers maximum LULZ and gain maximum publicity for it. He’s no innocent victim. Traffic is addictive, and he’s as much of an addict as the goons who attack him.
The article you are linking to on broken toys is full of falsehoods and half truths. Just because Lum calls the JLU names from time to time (don’t we all?), that does not mean she wrote an objective article.
“Bullying” is a term that I’ve only ever heard srs bzns academic bureaucrats use in relation to new media. The only thing I’ve ever gotten from bureaucrats is them telling me to take down things they don’t approve of and don’t have any jurisdiction over (I never comply). I’m not trying to call you names, rptb1, but I’ll be honest, it’s a little jarring for me to see “bullying” in print rather than hearing it in RL when I’m called into some self-important administrator’s office for ripping on the SGA or something. It takes courage for a student to speak freely in an academic bureaucracy, even in America you can be punished for saying unpopular things.
BTW, despite how that last paragraph might make me look, I am not a greifer. Far from it. I built and run Whitmyre Island, a respectable academic sim with a sandbox that has security enough that people can build and work in peace and have academic discussion events. It’s the most trafficked real world university in SL under the search term “college”. That said, I respect Woodbury as one of the few academic sims out there that actually engages the SecondLife community. Most academic sims are sterile walled gardens, and that is not what education should be about. When the dust settles, I think you will find that Woodbury has a lot of respect from the academic community in SL.
Lum Lumley
Apr 23rd, 2010
He.
<- points at grizzly old man face in avatar
rptb1
Apr 23rd, 2010
@bubblesort: Firstly, I don’t really know who any of you are, and I don’t think it matters.
I’m trying to understand your point of view here. Do you think that similar harassment is OK in any medium? Is it OK on Facebook or Twitter? Is it OK in IMs? Is it OK over the phone? After all, the other person just needs to know when to put down the phone. People shouldn’t take the phone too seriously, perhaps. Can I deduce from what you say that you consider SL to be fundamentally different from these things? Why is that?
It seems as if one group of people considers SL to be a communications medium and way of generating real income, and another group thinks it’s an MMOG and that it’s part of the game to damage the income of that first group. When these groups clash, which side should LL take, given their business goals?
Just for one moment, pretend that the opponent is not Prokofy Neva and think about that.
Do you think the game players have some sort of right to damage the people who are taking it seriously?
OK, now let’s suppose the opponent *is* in on the whole game, that it’s some sort of publicity-generating mutual play. Don’t both parties have to consent? Has Prokofy consented to this? Or is that your interpretation? Are you just making what you think is a reasonable assumption of consent?
If you are wrong about that consent, the bullying is real, not matter what the medium. To me, coming to this recently, it looks real.
It reminds me a lot of those difficult cases in law where one person claims that the other consented to be beaten up. Unless that consent is extremely clear, the law says nuh-uh.
Good luck LL figuring out the Right Thing in this case.
IntLibber Brautigan
Apr 23rd, 2010
rptb1 is apparently Richard Brooksby of Ravenbrook in Cambridge, UK, according to a Google profile for that handle.
Other than that, Richard, none of us here know who you are either. You seem to be a newb, and similarly suffer the same newb failures of perception that most newbs, including the perpetual newb, Prok, suffers from.
The typical newb confusion/fear response at encountering griefing is normal, we’ve all been through it. The attempts to define it simply under an us vs them cyberbullying or e-terrorism model are also normal newb responses. Been there, done that.
Ok, since you seem to suffer from Occam’s Razor on the brain (your AGW alarmist models make that clear), imagine you are at a cocktail party filled with a toxic combination of asocial geeks, introverted emotive arts majors, vacuous bimbos, loud mouthed wanna-be-alpha-males, paranoid schitzophrenics, and snarky wags. It’s a nonstop party for most, but nobody there can seem to make meaningful conversation with each other without pushing each others buttons. One persons fun is another persons grief. People keep fighting over the volume on the stereo. The snarks are pissing off the lower intellects they keep cracking jokes at the expense of. The bimbos don’t understand any of it but are *sure* that people are being MEAN. The wanna-be-alpha’s are all puffed up and hormone laden about jokes flying bu in a manner far over their heads, which only increases their bull headedness and sense of surety that someone is insulting them…. the emo artist is all bent out of shape that a geek is sitting on her couch and asking dumb questions about what she’s doing, and further getting bent out of shape when he tries to make helpful suggestions that she doesn’t understand about how using a Fibbonacci Sequence would make her plants look more natural… Everybody came to the same party with a vastly different invitation in hand. Some were told it was a Mob-themed costume party, some were told it was an art show, some were told it was a fashion party, some were told it was a funny game full of self-absorbed self-important retards who are easy to crack jokes about. The alpha’s get aggressive on the arts major and the geek for hogging the couch, so the two of them come up with a plan to thoroughly humiliate the alpha male in front of the bimbo. What the alpha did he doesnt consider “griefing” or “bullying” but he’s absolutely sure that the humiliation he gets in response *IS*.
rptb1
Apr 23rd, 2010
@IntLibber: Yes that’s me. Nothing to “out” here. I use the handle so I can be found. FWIW I’ve been in SL since 2006 and do a bit of srs bizns using it, as well as having a standard SL business that pays enough for some RL travel. I’ve hacked around with SL quite a bit.
But I’m definitely a newb as far as this dispute is concerned.
For any other similar people out there, Burcu Bakioglu’s article, linked in the OP, gives a pretty thorough description. Or is someone going to jump out and tell me that’s vomit-inducing lies too?
Thanks for the party analogy, IntLibber, that’s made a lot of things clearer.
By the way, those aren’t *our* AGW models, they’re NASA’s. We just cleaned up their code so that it could be criticised. Feel free to weigh in at http://clearclimatecode.org/ because I won’t discuss it further here.
Bubblesort Triskaidekaphobia
Apr 23rd, 2010
@Lum: Sorry about that, it wasn’t intentional.
@rptb1: I don’t really expect you to care about who I am. I’m not important. The point I was trying to make is that you do not have to be a greifer to appreciate Woodbury’s contributions to SL.
“Do you think that similar harassment is OK in any medium?”
Harassment did not happen.
“Can I deduce from what you say that you consider SL to be fundamentally different from these things?”
No.
“Why is that?
Because you would be wrong.
“… one group of people considers SL to be a communications medium and way of generating real income, and another group thinks it’s an MMOG and that it’s part of the game to damage the income of that first group.”
There is really no difference between MMOs and SL, but I published an article on that subject in the Herald last week. That’s a different can of worms all together. A different financial structure does not make SL different. You can make more RL money in WoW than you can in SL, so rationally, maybe we should take WoW more seriously than SL, assuming that money is the reason why we take virtual worlds seriously (personally, I do not assume that).
“Just for one moment, pretend that the opponent is not Prokofy Neva and think about that.”
OK, I’m pretending… I’m picturing it… holding that image in my mind for a moment, as you asked… I still see no damage happening.
The crux of the problem is that you assume Woodbury is inflicting some kind of damage. One person does not need permission from somebody else to put up controversial images in their own land, in RL or in SL. If some authority comes along and takes a land owners land away because they put something up on their own land that offends somebody else then it is the land owner’s freedom of expression that is being infringed on. The offended party is not the victim.
Nobody has the right to not be offended. This is the internet, we have fun ragging on people here. That’s how it works.
Woodbury students are learning to craft media in an age of tea partiers, hyper-sensationalized blog headlines and flame wars. This is not a world they created, but they will have to learn to function in it. Backing off from controversy is something that should be discouraged in any modern media curriculum.
For a speaker to be convincing they need to be relaxed, cool, and confident. This is “media cool.” “Media hot” is when the speaker comes out raging like a fire and brimstone preacher. Woodbury students are learning to be media cool. They have fun as they communicate. Prok and the other people they communicate with, such as the JLU and Fractured Crystal, they don’t seem to have fun, they are media hot. Hot is bad. This situation demonstrates Woodbury students skill and speaks to the success of the Woodbury curriculum.
If you really want to understand the conflict, I doubt you will get very far by only reading the literature. Lum’s post is a good read, I’ll give him that, but it still consists of him posting quotes and heckling people (excellent use of media cool, BTW). I don’t think this game is played the way you think it is. Go talk to people, see what is actually going on. It might be good for you to expose yourself to a different side of the story. I would recommend that you keep an open mind and look up W-HAT’s sim. They are kind of the spiritual ancestors of Woodbury. Bring your sense of humor, remember you are a guest on their land and I think you’ll find the experience informative. They might be evil scary griefers, but they are good people once you get them talking.
and heres another thing
Apr 23rd, 2010
Ok, so like, there is another angle for this new Grief Reporter to look at that plays into the zen of this whole thing.
And that is the Weapons Industry in second life. You can go into any gun shoppe in Second Life and purchase any of a MIRIAD of different weapons systems, HUDS, ak47′s, phase blasters, grenades, Nukes, etc etc, items that let you do exactly what the griefers do, Particle Spamming, orbiting, deforming, blowing someone 3 sims away (quantum nuke), sound spamming, notecard spamming, you know.
But the question is, why is it perfectly ok to build and sell these weapons in Second Life, but then not be able to use them after you buy them?
You get the point? Its OK and sanctioned to pump these weapons out to SL avatars in huge numbers, but then not be able to use them without getting banned?
That doesn’t seem right.
Something is made available, it looks tastey, and as soon you take a bite of the fruit, BAMMO, out of the park you go and you are damned to hell forever…
werid huh? (but you gotta love those weapons)
Jumpman Lane
Apr 23rd, 2010
hi do defibity or however u spell ur name! welcome to this vitual toilet bowl we call sl. i heard a woooosh! we must be on our way to the water treatment plant
Lum Lumley
Apr 23rd, 2010
Lum’s post is a good read, I’ll give him that, but it still consists of him posting quotes and heckling people
That would be why it’s a ‘blog’ (air quotes with fingers) and not ‘journalism’ with ‘pretensions’ towards ‘balance’.
rptb1
Apr 23rd, 2010
@bubblesort: Thanks for that. I’ve laughed at W-hat’s photos http://w-hat.com/ many times in the past few years, and I do think there’s a lot of value in the creativity there and what I saw on the Woodbury sims.
Think I’ll put some popcorn on and go back to lurking. Thanks for explaining your various points of view.
JustMe
Apr 24th, 2010
quote – “But the question is, why is it perfectly ok to build and sell these weapons in Second Life, but then not be able to use them after you buy them?
You get the point? Its OK and sanctioned to pump these weapons out to SL avatars in huge numbers, but then not be able to use them without getting banned?” – unquote
Get yourself some land and use your weapons all you want … no one is going to ban you for that. SL is no different from RL . In RL, you wouldn’t go out to a nightclub and start shooting .. SL is the same way. There are different reasons for that, of course. In RL, it’s illegal, immoral, and fattening. In SL, it’s rude, immature, unsocial, and fattening. (Everything is fattening, by the way). But either way, it’s not the right thing to do.
Jumpman Lane
Apr 24th, 2010
not a shock! more like, who gives a shit! we want news like wtf happened to Tizzy and can it happen to us!!!!
Bubblesort Triskaidekaphobia
Apr 24th, 2010
@Jumpman: I agree! It’s been days and nothing. I mean, I know Pix works at a university and it’s the end of the semester, so people don’t get much done in universities at this time of year, but come on, we need something.
I guess we might as well get down to speculating about what the hell is going on, even though nobody ever really knows why LL does the things it does.
I wrote up the facts as I know them to put in a post here as a response to Jumpman, but it was really long and had too many links so the spam filter would not accept it. I posted it on pastebin instead of getting rid of the hyperlinks:
http://pastebin.com/N5ZVeAUP
If you want the executive summary, here goes:
I think Fractured Crystal killed Woodbury out of spite.
I know, I’m crazy. Any of you got a better explanation? Everybody go check it out, post anything I might have missed here, get outraged and speculate wildly.
Bubblesort Triskaidekaphobia
Apr 24th, 2010
Updated the pastebin with new news from Tizzy’s twitter feed:
http://pastebin.com/1pWYEtPn
Bubblesort Triskaidekaphobia
Apr 24th, 2010
Updated with Chronicle of Higher Education info: http://pastebin.com/tDi9eXjq
That’s the last update, I promise.
Gaara Sandalwood
Apr 24th, 2010
I put this in another article already containing the drama but it seems to have spread here so what the hell?
read the article GLE posted the link to in the Demer article. ‘Twas poor. For starters, a few of the pics, such as the Sparta raid, are really old. So is the pic at the bottom. Actually, all of the pics from WU in SL in that article are old, from at least a couple years ago, unless I am slightly mistaken. The top pic I am not certain of, the one that seems to be of Ravenglass, but the rest are old.
It’s basically bringing up PAST shit about WU in that aspect. It’s not using recent pictures, but rather old pics that contribute better to the article’s purpose. It’s only meaning from what I can tell is to utterly bash a group/rl educational facility that the writers seemed to have barely scratched the true surface of.
I mean, they showed that long, well worded quote by Clift then just slapped a few sentences into the article after that about how, for reasons I’m obviously not seeing here, he’s a sociopath.
The article itself is also making the absolute decree that the WU mass ban was likely due to LL getting tired of continuing raids. What raids? The most recent event that could’ve even been considered a raid by a sensible person was the WU standing idly in a sim with a couple of members naked wearing dildos on female avatars, and that was over two months ago.
I was in WU. I saw one student of it make a physics presentation for a class by making a non-scripted cannon, then making partially invisible spheres to look like the air path of the cannonball, finally with the cannon ball positioned to look like it hit him, then made a animation that made him pause in midair in a position that looked as if hit by said cannonball.
I saw Epacsten spend over a week modifying a free-based gravity gun that barely functioned properly into a more proper looking gun with a more proper running script that worked better than the creator made it, and modifying a minigun so it wouldn’t cause lag with its rate of fire.
Bob made a lot of progress in terms of sculpting, something that is highly useful for digital rendering and the like.
Tizzy was busy more than half the time organizing in-world WU events such as the(now not gonna happen)contest for WU members to see who can make the best sculpts, builds, clothes, etcetera, and making plans for the Summer when WU would have more sims.
Other WU members that were active were busy building stuff, hanging out, developing better and better scripts, and for the most part from what I’ve seen, leaving the bulk of the SL community alone.
It really is funny, how people still insist that WU is nothing more than a bunch of griefers. In the whole of my stay I’ve seen these allegations. The first WU sim I had come across was during the death of the Patriotic Nigras. Literally, as a newbie, I witnessed the Nigras rampaging about their lost land and griefing it, while Tizzy and WU were busy working on turning it into their own sim after having acquired said land. They kept Fort Longcat and made a second sim to be a sandbox with loosely moderated rules. They still had the common sense based rules, of course. No crashing the sim, no griefing, but that was with lag mostly. They just wanted a free community where they could build. Then both of those sims went away. So WU moved to a new location, a sim with a winter theme that looked amazing. Again, it was merely a loosely moderated environment that had a lot of good builders in it. LL gave them a notice to stop their activities because according to reports from people like the JLU and from what LL believed, WU was basically griefing and crashing their own sim. For starters, depending on the sim’s location, it being crashed shouldn’t matter to other people who aren’t anywhere near it, and I recall it wasn’t a mainland sim. That’s basically crying “a sim in the middle of frickin’ nowhere keeps getting crashed by its owners, they need to stop!”. Also, during my time there I saw no WU griefing it whatsoever. I found out it was leftover PN that refused to go away until the very last one was banned that were griefing WU, not WU themselves. FINALLY, that sim was taken by LL and they settled in Soviet Woodbury. For a couple months all was well. Building was happening, things were moving along. WU basically gave up on the fact that LL took their sim away and refused to give them back the ahead-of-time paid cash to keep the sim(USD paid upfront beforehand to keep the sim for around another year or something like that), and moved on. They were managing well, made the Fetid Inner Sandbox sim as the new sandbox. It was gonna be just a sandbox while the SW sim would be the main sim. Then they added Estonia and Animation. Estonia was gonna be for sculpters in WU and was basically a fun-house based sim. Animation, I dunno what that was gonna be because this shit happened before they could figure out what to do with it.
So during my time in WU I can say for sure, that almost no griefing occured on WU’s part. Note here I said “almost”, implying I am not saying there wasn’t ANY griefing at all, but it was at a bare minimum at least, which considering and comparing it to the time of the PN, one would think everyone, even the JLU, would welcome such a lessened ammount. But they kept it up.
Kalel Venkman told me himself that the JLU was within its right to place spies in WU and monitor them like children, whilst the whole group in general, if not a select few, played on the fact that the whole Zeide Kamp incident, which was just involving me and the JLU, was actually a major raid attempted by them. Even recently the Krypton Radio article was put up saying that the “illegal wiki theft” was retaliation for foiling their supposed raid. More than HALF of the drama that fueled this entire series of events was started by the JLU, who basically started a lot of the stuff. If the JLU had left WU alone completely, I bet that WU wouldn’t have even bothered with the wiki. I’ve said that before. But because of all of the recent bs the JLU started with WU they decided to. So actually, I retract my statement. Zeide Kamp may have had a bit to do with the wiki incident, but not because of a foiled raid, as the KR article inists. Because of a refusal to stop tracking, spying, and incriminating upon them. “They finally had enough with all of the bs” is probably the most sensible reason ANYONE can figure as the answer to why they did it. Because of the bs and to reveal what was in that wiki to the general public.
“There won’t be any coverage of the Woodbury incident in the Herald, because they’d have to find some way to prove that everything that’s being said about Woodbury is a lie, and since there are literally mountains of direct evidence, that would be pretty hard.
The Herald jumped the shark, assuming that Woodbury would just go unchallenged forever, and that ten lies are better than one truth. Now that there IS no Woodbury anymore (they’re not even allowed to congregate in-world, let alone present themselves as Woodbury), there’s nothing more to report, but the summary of their misdeeds as the smoke screen slowly clears.”
HELLO~ Venkman. Been a while. I thought you finally grew tired of all this. Maybe felt you were winning again and decided to make a public delcaration? Well, if you ever feel up to it, I can easily give you a personal interview(as in interview you). I assure you, I’m more pleasant when approached in this fashion than when seeign such debates(I’m a very argumentive person on some cases such as this). I’ve already interviewed GLE twice, he can tell ya that too. If it’s a doen deal, lookin’ forward to it.
“I’ve read all that (before, and again, just now) and it doesn’t seem to show up anything in the brokentoys article as vomit-and-pee-inducingly duplicitous. Or even particularly inaccurate. And I haven’t seen a connection between JLU or GLE and the bullying at Ravenglass.”
As I have stated above, that article’s pictures are old. Also no true link is being established here, I don’t see how you came to that assumption.
“That would be why it’s a ‘blog’ (air quotes with fingers) and not ‘journalism’ with ‘pretensions’ towards ‘balance’”
No offense, but all the more reason to bash it.
Bubble, I saw Fractured at the Rancor sim when the WU were having their last recent meet and goodbye there(not saying it’s dead, but we haven’t really grouped their much since). He was on Onyx so I asked him a few things about it. He said that he was testing a few things and decided to show off one of its uses: He rezzed and created, like replicating prims, 100 bot accounts and prevented anyone from TPing into Rancor. Then numbed it down to 50 after removing them all and proceeding to complain about whiners who wanted in the sim. Fun. It is interesting though, regardless. Essentially, he plans to make an elite group of super bot accounts that can go through sims like The Flash and out-do the JLU in terms of patrolling.
Very interesting indeed.
Judge Joker
Apr 25th, 2010
Linden employees can monitor each and every WU members chat, with admin powers or built-in network processes.
If they can’t then which ever Linden who was responsible for security, made a big FUBAR on basics.
So why would the public at large require Kalel Venkman to be breaking the TOS in our name? to protect us from the bogeyman?
He’s only breaking it in his own name, and getting away with it, I wish you would just go fuck yourself Kalel.
Sweet Alabama
Apr 25th, 2010
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZA_yZVI3Qp8 the vid mentioned for those curious but to lazy to find it XD
Jumpman Lane
Apr 25th, 2010
@Bubble Pix prob gonna come with the facts soon and very soon. I’m patiently waitin
Bubblesort Triskaidekaphobia
Apr 25th, 2010
@Jumpman: Pix isn’t going to tell us anything. This is Defne’s beat now. Defne got some big shoes to fill, but I think she’ll do just fine. Pix and Ludlow wouldn’t appoint her if she wasn’t amazing.
@Sweet: It’s good to see that video is mirrored. I downloaded it locally because I think it’s important. You can’t leave important videos up on YouTube anymore. If the global takedown culture had a headquarters, YouTube would be it.
I still say that if LL was influenced from the outside, Fractured Crystal is the only one with the motive and the political currency to do it, and if he was involved then the known events in the timeline I linked to above fit. If he was not involved then some events in the timeline make no sense.
Here’s an update to the pastebin: http://pastebin.com/8HsvzdgY
The only change from the last one is I threw in a link to the US News & World Report article and I added Gaara’s information to the end, as it shows that Fractured Crystal has motive.
Jumpman Lane
Apr 25th, 2010
@ Bubble i talked to pix . pix comin with the info. that gid damn granny woman prokofy neva aint gonna get the last word!
hobo kelly
Apr 25th, 2010
that granny woman so spittin hot mad its like knots poppin in the barn in summertime…
Gaara Sandalwood
Apr 25th, 2010
If you want more Bubble here’s the screeny I took.
http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg110/The_Forerunner/SHit.jpg?t=1272205400
In case anyone still doesn’t know, Toasty Engineer is my alt. Now that I’ve seen THIS part of what Onyx can do, I’m somewhat happy it’s kept under lock and key at least. I don’t fully support Fractured but at least this isn’t spread throughout SL. Ugh……what would happen if this was a public system, I don’t wanna imagine.
Bubblesort Triskaidekaphobia
Apr 25th, 2010
So… just so I have this straight:
Fractured Crystal said in the video that he is allowed to use Onyx because it is purely a testing tool and everybody who has it is not a greifer…
Then he greifs WU with Onyx!
I’d say AR the idiot but we all know how far that would go. LL has not taken a stand against greifers. They have decided to let Fractured Crystal run roughshod over anybody he pleases.
This information needs to get out there. The only thing that will stop FC is if the lab gets humiliated enough to shut him down.
Maybe my conspiracy theory that he is the one behind WU getting banned is crazy, that’s fine (what? it’s the best I could come up with).
Even if he is not the one behind WU’s problems, this photograph is proof positive the FC uses Onyx to greif and LL is not disciplining him at all. He needs to loose his account, along with everybody else who uses Onyx.
I updated the pastebin: http://pastebin.com/Nuad5jVF
Bubblesort Triskaidekaphobia
Apr 25th, 2010
P.S., Gaara, did you guys AR Jcool for this? You should have.
Gaara Sandalwood
Apr 25th, 2010
I did on my TE alt. Won’t do any good but yeah. I mean, I’m gonna admit here, I don’t know what went down with Jcool in the past. I’ve not been around that long in SL to know this stuff. I can’t call him for bullshit that much. But this WAS a rather rude event. Not just for WU but for ANYONE affiliated with or visiting Rancor. Then he proceeded to complain about the complainers.
I can say hedoesn’t at the very least pull a JLU. He doesn’t track where they go and grief them systematically. I even think he was showing off what Onyx can do without itnending to grief, but regardless the act itself was indeed disruptive.
It's Unfixable
Jun 25th, 2010
HAHA, Gaara’s STILL butthurt over getting outed as part of a raiding party.
BEWEAR THE JLU – THEY HAZ MAGGIC POWERZ!!