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102 Responses to “Did Linden Lab’s Emerald Dev Coverup Lead To Woodbury Ban?”

1. 

   Obvious Schism
   

   May 19th, 2010
   

   “jcool410: but I feel its the only course with the highest probability of containing the situation, and preventing the unnecessary exposure of sensitive information about residents”

   The containment measures evidently haven’t been very effective.

   Why was a 3rd party holding such sensitive information anyway, particularly when it has been shown that that data was not held securely.
2. 

   MOAR
   

   May 19th, 2010
   

   Another entertaining article from the Herald team. Thank you!

   I’m not affiliated with JCool, and if he has something to do with the WU ban, then f**k him. He’s also an idiot for giving advanced open source weapon scripts to faggots.

   But as a scripter I think the purpose behind the Datamine might be overrated. JCool probably did it, because it just came to his mind, that it’s doable and could be useful. And logging IPs to prevent griefing isn’t exactly a federal crime. Webservers usually also log IPs all the time. And a simulator is not much more than a webserver.
   I expect that there might be a lot of power abuse, or perceived power abuse. But It wouldn’t be much of a problem to most people, if that thing didn’t get hacked. Especially if you’re not visiting the Emerald sim.

   My name is on the list too btw. But I don’t give a damn. Especially as my provider gives me a dynamic IP address. As long as Emerald doesn’t steal my passwords or intellectual property, I don’t have much reason to worry.

   Anyway, happy Emerald bashing! I lol’d.
3. 

   Gaara Sandalwood
   

   May 19th, 2010
   

   So this really was why WU was banned? For leaking information that people who aparrantly have quite the shady past were gathering through whatever means necessary?

   *Sigh*

   What……frickin’……idiocy…..
4. 

   Sylauxe
   

   May 19th, 2010
   

   @gaara

   It’s okay man, you can say fucking here, we wont freak out.
5. 

   Kiddoh
   

   May 19th, 2010
   

   “The containment measures evidently haven’t been very effective.”

   Indeed, the containment measures were as effective as LL shooting themselves in the foot…. with a cannon.
6. 

   David McNaughten
   

   May 19th, 2010
   

   Woodbury had a long detailed history of misdeeds on record with Linden Lab already. Did LL ban WU just because JCool said so?

   <_<

   I see here evidence that JCool may have believed it, but the rest is guesswork. Just WU being involved in Yet Another Hacking Incident would have been plenty, regardless of the target.
7. 

   Kiddoh
   

   May 19th, 2010
   

   I’ll have you know David McNaughten, that the majority of WU was in good standing with LL and most everyone of WU’s higher-ups had a rather clean record.

   Also; all of our misdeeds were rather minor. Standing on Prok’s lawn or outside her fence and wandering around drunk- talking over mic. I’ve seen pubbies commit worse.
8. 

   Gaara Sandalwood
   

   May 19th, 2010
   

   lol. I try not to swear too much because I say fuck every five words irl pretty much.

   Anyway, if this is true, which I am considering it is more and more as this goes on, WU basically tried to make it known that some data pyramid scheme was going on and it turned out that some of the Lindens knew about it(big surprise…hehe). I mean, it seems Jcool’s bragging here about WU being at risk because of this particular leak, and about Cam’s ban just for grilling him(OMG NO FREE SPEECH! lolz), I also saw that youtube vid that according to a lot of people familiar with how Jcool, Lonely, and other devs sound on mic, really was them. I mean, it’s not just skirmishes anymore. It was far funner and easier with the JLU. They had nowhere near the influence the devs seem to have. It just amazes me mostly that the typical response from both entities, JLU and devs, was, in a nutshell: “Don’t fully leak this info, or leak it at all, it contains lots of private info of other people. Just let us continue this.”, while they relentlessly compiled information.

   When WU leaked the JLU wiki, they did so to reveal 100% positive proof as to what the JLU were doing. Not to reveal “top secret information”. If this dev incident is true, then the same applies here. They didn’t want the info leaked for some reason and claimed that it was a lot of private info that shouldn’t get out. But unlike the former, the devs managed to actually do shit about it when it happened.

   So it all boils down to this: “Let us harvest the info we want and feed upon it, or suffer our immense wrath!”(this is how my mind pictures the threats not to release the info, and yes, my mind is very unstable).
9. 

   David McNaughten
   

   May 19th, 2010
   

   So you think that Woodbury should be allowed to hack anybody’s server whenever they feel like it and then do a backpedal justification later?

   Woodbury leaked the JLU wiki not to expose them, but in retribution for interfering with their griefing activities, that’s pretty obvious to everyone concerned, I think – and they hacked JCool40 because they didn’t like him either, and the whole thing just looks like Woodbury running around hacking servers.

   This isn’t altruism in any sense – it’s just a hacker war that blew up in their faces from what I can see. No wonder the Lindens deleted you all, just by being on the grid you represented a threat to the viability of their product line. They decided to terminate you before you caused any more trouble and that’s really the long and short of it.
10. 

    Yasmin
    

    May 19th, 2010
    

    quote
    Webservers usually also log IPs all the time. And a simulator is not much more than a webserver.
    /unquote

    wow. somebody has no idea of context, purpose and application.
    yes, the whole internet uses the TCP/IP suite, but to maintain that because of the common technology used, all applied dynamics serve the same purpose and are all deployed within identical context is a rather immature statement.

    newspapers are information media, but when you wrap fish and chips with it, the printed information changes value and context.

    maybe prolonged use of viewer 2 has led this person to mistake the “Grid” for part of the WWW.
11. 

    V
    

    May 19th, 2010
    

    Dear David,

    I have yet to see evidence of WU doing anything like this, or actually anything offensive at all. I admit it’s hard to get any unbiased report on them, but as to what they actually did, I only heard vague accusations of ‘griffing’ which, obviously, everyone and their aunt is supposed to know about, and thus doesn’t need to be proven. Well, I don’t know about anything harmful they have done, and so far didn’t see any evidence of them having done anything that would warrant a mass ban and confiscation of several sims.
12. 

    DD Ra
    

    May 19th, 2010
    

    I generally like the humorous tone of the Herald.

    But there, I see no distance with the subject, just childish envy: why are Linden’s prefering Emerald kids to my Woodbury friends ?

    Please stop this emo things, and come back as the smart mouthed SL tabloïd !
13. 

    Backhanded Comment
    

    May 19th, 2010
    

    No offense, but even though I have several “acquaintances”, who were members of WU, some of the people you’ve had hanging out there, weren’t exactly “Squeaky clean” with LL. Myself included (oh who could I be?).

    I honestly doubt that WU was taken down because of someone hacking into the Emerald Devs database and finding IPs associated with user names.

    Yes the data is rather suspicious, and I have no doubts that they were sending this info over to LL due to copyright violations. Considering that at least 5 of my alt names were on that list, which guess what? Were used for backing up my banned shit with the Neillife Viewer.

    Not to mention, this news was never news to me anyways. I’ve had a couple of people who are programmers, say that the Emerald Devs were doing this shit to begin with. Which was why I stopped using Emerald a long ass time ago.

    But getting back to WU, I don’t think it had anything to do with copyright violations, or some guy named Jcool crying to LL. I think LL was cleaning house. They’ve been cleaning house for a while now, mass banning those whom are deemed “Griefers”.

    LL sees WU as a threat to their company name. They don’t want anything to do with 4chan (deny it all you want, it was still 4chan at the heart of it). Watch and see what happens when Digital W-hat Worlds goes down next.

    Also Former WU Members, really? “Wahhh I got banned unfairly!” Most of you fags were banned prior to this shit anyways lol. Grow some balls and accept that you aren’t a “goody toe shoes” user, and move on.
14. 

    Nelson Jenkins
    

    May 19th, 2010
    

    @Yasmin

    Without TCP/IP and the WWW, SL could not exist, thus it is dependent on the IP structure.

    Without newspapers, fish and chips would be wrapped in wax paper or something.

    Very weak analogy there.

    Actually, if you want to get all exact and silly about it, a simulator IS a webserver. It runs on the same technology, same hardware, filesystem, et cetera. So I’m not sure what crack you’re smoking. Where do you think simulators come from? The moon?
15. 

    Sylauxe
    

    May 19th, 2010
    

    “I generally like the humorous tone of the Herald.

    But there, I see no distance with the subject, just childish envy: why are Linden’s prefering Emerald kids to my Woodbury friends ?

    Please stop this emo things, and come back as the smart mouthed SL tabloïd !”

    There’s nothing smart about the Herald or SL in general.
16. 

    David McNaughten
    

    May 19th, 2010
    

    @V – you must not ever actually log into Second Life, then.
17. 

    V
    

    May 19th, 2010
    

    Dear David,

    why don’t you just go forward and explain it to me, as someone who never actually logs into SL and has no clue whatsoever, please?
18. 

    GEORGE ZIMMER, FOUNDER AND CEO OF MEN'S WAREHOUSE
    

    May 19th, 2010
    

    FYI I went through the entire avatar list posted in the other article and all of us only saw one account that belonged to any of us in PN.

    So much for “WE’Z FOIGHTAN DA GRAPHAZ.”
19. 

    Tuomy Boa
    

    May 19th, 2010
    

    Coming next to Alphaville herald booth near you!

    Fractured Crystal is main for both, George W Bush and Osama Bin Laden, He also griefed the WTC towers till they melt down and collapsed!

    To prove it:

    [4:87:31] Pixeleen Mistral: Is this true??
    [5:36:92]Fractured: Lol yes!
20. 

    quaver
    

    May 19th, 2010
    

    Well my girlfriend finally deleted her six-year old account this morning giving up her job with a content creation biz in the process. I’m thinking of deleting my account too because she was the only reason I logged in. She was on pins waiting for the IP list to make it into the public domain revealing her BDSM alt and decided to cut all ties before it happened to remove the stress. Thanks Fractured. Thanks Modularsystems. Thanks Emerald Team. Thanks to Linden Lab in particular for not even acknowledging the situation thereby making it worse. If your idea of a secure virtual world is one where a bunch of 18-year-old wankers can harvest the data of thousands of customers without consent so they can run protection rackets and hold everybody to ransom – you’re welcome to it.
21. 

    Gaara Sandalwood
    

    May 19th, 2010
    

    “So you think that Woodbury should be allowed to hack anybody’s server whenever they feel like it and then do a backpedal justification later?”

    No, but at the same time the same is being done, just not with brute hacking. Info was being logged on people, and likely still is. As jokingly as it sounded in the vid of a recording of the Emerald devs, Lonely stated he found info on Crawling, which showed him living only two or so hours away from him, and humourously remarked he felt like stealing his computer(this of course was after the server hack). Honestly? I doubt he’d do it. Sure, he was joking, I can even buy that. But it wasn’t done with intent to fuck around and then declare justice later. In fact, similar to the JLU leak, all of WU wasn’t involved. From what I could tell it was just Crawling, and a few WU knew about it. Essentially, yet again, we have a case where the entire group is threatened over the actions of one member, and of course, this time, WU was canned again because of it. Now I’m not knocking on Crawling. Granted, a lot of WU that have been around for a long time supported him., but still that’s not a good reason to ban them. I, in a way, support what he did. It’s not because I like hacking servers or being an ass, but because personally I feel that if Second Life is run by Linden Lab, Linden Lab should be the one doing shit. Instead, they allowed other groups and organizations manifesting themselves within SL to take the front and do as they please and collect this data. Sure, they may have ties with the Emerald team, but personally I’d rather LL be logging my IP in the name of their game rather than MS, Emerald, or whatever, doing so for whatever reasons they may have(which have not been made clear aside from copybotters, but I doubt everyone they harvest from is a copybotter).

    “Woodbury leaked the JLU wiki not to expose them, but in retribution for interfering with their griefing activities, that’s pretty obvious to everyone concerned, I think – and they hacked JCool40 because they didn’t like him either, and the whole thing just looks like Woodbury running around hacking servers.”

    lol, do you really think that? I can’t count how many times I’ve said this before: The most griefing the WU did in recent months was standing in a sim naked wearing dongs(and only one or two were). Maybe the sonic sim thing could be counted, but that was a failed attempt anyway because they got bored with the idea from the start. Then I was on my merry way and the JLU accused me of griefing for standing in a sim doing almost nothing wrong. Yes, I’ve said that WU did this because they were annoyed with the JLU, but not for “foiling major griefing plans”. They did it because the JLU had alts in WU and were basically monitoring them and accusing everyone who sneezed of griefing.

    This isn’t altruism in any sense – it’s just a hacker war that blew up in their faces from what I can see. No wonder the Lindens deleted you all, just by being on the grid you represented a threat to the viability of their product line. They decided to terminate you before you caused any more trouble and that’s really the long and short of it.

    Again: lol, do you really think that? Honestly, I think the method you are using to argue is cute. Anyway, leaving in about five for an appointment, so I can’t continue picking away at this.
22. 

    Baaa Goat
    

    May 19th, 2010
    

    @ quaver

    You forgot to thank WU who were the ones who made it public, not Emerald.
23. 

    Professionalism Please
    

    May 19th, 2010
    

    I love Emerald and have been using it for almost a year now. However, I am sadly returning to to using the official SL client for but one reason I’ve now seen displayed too often by the Emerald Development team–its lack of professionalism. I can easily find less than entirely professional behaviors at the Modular Systems web site, in some team members’ behaviors, and even within the viewer itself.

    Emerald has been placed in a position where those involved need to recognize they can no longer behave like children, but instead only ever as very responsible adults–and even businesspeople. I can no longer support its choice to not to engage in only professional and businesslike behavior at every possible turn.

    Emerald Viewer, you will be sorely missed.
24. 

    Nebula/PinkBunny
    

    May 19th, 2010
    

    Bring back WU, get rid of emerald, WU did great builds and had some wonderful scripting.
25. 

    It's Unfixable
    

    May 19th, 2010
    

    WU bawwers all got deleted. Wah wah wah.

    Griefing across the grid just happens to drop to nothing as soon as WU is gone. OMG, it’s a TOTAL COINCIDENCE.

    Hacking into servers is good, if you’re doing it do somebody some people don’t like.

    And gaara’s hi-sterical, busted for griefing, then bawwing about it, and then switching threads and pretending it never happend, thread by thread. Shall we post the JLU wiki log of you planning a raid again, or have you had enuf spanking for one lifetime?
26. 

    Its Fixed!
    

    May 19th, 2010
    

    “Griefing across the grid just happens to drop to nothing as soon as WU is gone.”

    I see……….

    I expect to here the long overdue announcement that the JLU has been disbanded as being completely irrelevant , immanently then.
27. 

    Gaara Sandalwood
    

    May 19th, 2010
    

    Griefing across the grid, form what I could tell, was incredibly low before WU was banned. In my last itnerview with GLE he even pointed me to soem SL statistic sites that showed griefing’s been way down compared to the time of the PN for at least the last year or two.

    So have fun insisting WU is the cause of all grief. :3
28. 

    All good things ....
    

    May 19th, 2010
    

    .. come to an end.

    The more you play with the lab, the closer your get, the more likely they will come for you when you have served your purpose.
29. 

    Kiddoh
    

    May 20th, 2010
    

    I think the funny thing here is everyone who likes to associate everything with WU. It’s like people saying “God is the reason for everything.” Is everyone on the herald a Christian or something?

    Let’s get some things straight:

    1. The JLU Leak was neither a hack nor done by Woodbury. It was the JLU being stupid enough to give full access of their wiki to a spy in the “Wrong Hands” group. The Wrong Hands group was created to separate the event from WU just in case a wild ban-hammer went flying- at least this way, the hammer would know who to hit.

    2. The Emerald hack was done by a single person and everything about the leak has been the doing of the same person. WU had no knowledge of what was going on until AFTER the nuke.

    3. None of the banned WU members have ever made a baaww post on the herald over being banned.

    4. There are worse griefer groups on the grid than WU (mostly because WU isn’t a griefer group). Everyone is just too damn fickle to realize this. Nuking WU doesn’t mean these other groups are going to stop.

    5. The amount of griefing in SL dropped when the PN disbanded and has stayed pretty low since then, WU had nothing to do with the rates at which people were griefed.
30. 

    The bitch that bites back.
    

    May 20th, 2010
    

    OMFG!!!! Ive NEVER seen such a immature, childish bunch of crap in my life!
    Blaming,finger pointing,backbiting garbage!
    Wu get’s banned. Point the finger at Wu because their not in sl to defend their position , garbage!
    i have much to thank the Wu for and the help many of its members gave me when i first rezzed.
    i joined SL to relax and escape from drama from the real world, yet it seems people cannot leave the world out of sl and this stands as primary proof of it.
    LEAVE YOUR DRAMA IN THE REAL WORLD PEOPLE!
    How much simpler can that be huh?
31. 

    Alyx Stoklitsky
    

    May 20th, 2010
    

    Retards retards retards.

    The above is a grammatically valid sentence.
32. 

    GEORGE ZIMMER, FOUNDER AND CEO OF MEN'S WAREHOUSE
    

    May 20th, 2010
    

    >the PN disbanded

    I don’t know where you get your facts Kiddoh, but we’re still very much alive. We’ve got 20+ people in the IRC right now, we just couldn’t give half a shit about SL and haven’t for the better part of a year.

    Sounds like it might be time to get back in the business, though.

    Guess I’d better start working on ThugLyfe more.
33. 

    Kiddoh
    

    May 20th, 2010
    

    Alright, alright. How about…

    “5. The amount of griefing in SL dropped when the PN stopped giving half a shit about SL and has stayed pretty low since then, WU had nothing to do with the rates at which people were griefed.”
34. 

    X
    

    May 20th, 2010
    

    Griefing stopped… now griefs emerald dev
35. 

    GreenLantern Excelsior
    

    May 20th, 2010
    

    “In my last itnerview with GLE he even pointed me to soem SL statistic sites that showed griefing’s been way down compared to the time of the PN for at least the last year or two.”

    The website is here: http://www.gridsurvey.com/
    The Incident Charts are here: http://www.gridsurvey.com/incidentsummary.php

    If you look at some of the pie charts accessed through the drop down menu, you can see that the incident types and the busiest regions are very different when you compare the total to date with the total for the past 30 days. The LL sandboxes were the most popular griefing locations for a long time, but recently they are not near the top of the list of busiest regions. I would have to agree with “It’s Unfixable” that the timing for this looks like it coincides with the WU event. These days the sandboxes are filled with people building happily without being bothered by griefing. I’ve never seen them this tranquil since I got here in 2006.

    As for The Wrong Hands, their trophy room doesn’t exist any more. I’m not sure that’s a coincidence either.
36. 

    GreenLantern Excelsior
    

    May 20th, 2010
    

    Oh, and by the way, you should all read this post, dated today, if you haven’t already:

    http://modularsystems.sl/index.php?option=com_myblog&show=regarding-the-concerns-over-the-database-compromise.html&Itemid=1
37. 

    Kiddoh
    

    May 20th, 2010
    

    So which major griefing groups got banned that explains the low activity in Feb and March? Why is the amount of grief higher in May than in those two months?

    Are you forgetting that WU was still very much active during the lowest points of grief on that chart?

    Also; the cheeky devils at LL tried their best to take out any trace of WU including all their builds, which the Wrong Hands Trophy Room was apart of. Should I also mention the Wrong Hands still exist? they stopped trying to obliterate every trace of WU when they realized there are WU prims as parts of rather vital stuff in SL.

    No offence, but that’s a rather lot wishful thinking you got going on, Green, and you should know better.
38. 

    At0m0 Beerbaum
    

    May 20th, 2010
    

    @David

    Okay, I want to know what misdeeds you refer to.

    Shit from 2007 doesn’t count (not to mention, back then the worst we did was the furry concentration camp, which got understandably nuked)

    but since then we were just trying to exist on the grid, and up until this ban, most of us (I wont say all) kept to ourselves. Hell, I rarely ventured outside the woodbury sims (namely because the rest of the grid was boring as fuck, also why I haven’t bothered creating an alt) yet I got banned.

    What misdeeds did I do again?

    Cite your sources. If you’re just parroting what everyone else and their mother says because a few nutjobs in e-spandex and a crazy wanna be soviet nationalist who thinks communism is in every facet of our every day lives scream their heads off because of their differences with us, then I suggest you learn to think for yourself.

    It’s almost like a shitty meme.

    “WOODBURY IS BAD SO WE SHOULD HATE IT”

    “why?”

    “BECAUSE IT IS.”

    “how?”

    “IT JUST IS.”

    is what I’ve been seeing since the lindens paid lip service to the emerald devs because some people associated with our group started asking too many questions. Something I found out after I got banned.

    The part many people don’t understand or want to hear is that we were on extremely good terms with LL up until this, they even had a representative working with us to make sure things went smoothly and that we complied with their little special rules they made for us (discrimination, btw..) so we could continue doing what most other people with money were allowed to do in SL. That’s right, we had to bend to special made up rules that only applied to us because we were some big threat. Then suddenly without any warning we get nuked with no explanation other than to contact legal, despite any wrongdoing.

    but naturally since you’re a sheep I expect you to point a finger and claim that I committed some crime and that LL would never dare act against anyone who played by their rules.

    Keep reassuring yourself of that, just remember they can ban for any reason they want, that the ToS doesn’t apply.

    Anyway, what misdeeds did I and 20 other random members commit individually to deserve a ban without warning? Come on, list the misdeeds.
39. 

    GEORGE ZIMMER, FOUNDER AND CEO OF MEN'S WAREHOUSE
    

    May 20th, 2010
    

    Hahaha, touché Kiddoh.

    >These days the sandboxes are filled with people building happily without being bothered by griefing. I’ve never seen them this tranquil since I got here in 2006.

    Sounds incredibly monotonous.

    This looks like a job for the Pesky Plumbers.
40. 

    At0m0 Beerbaum
    

    May 20th, 2010
    

    “These days the sandboxes are filled with people building happily without being bothered by griefing. I’ve never seen them this tranquil since I got here in 2006.”

    I call bs.
41. 

    IntLibber Brautigan
    

    May 20th, 2010
    

    David McNaughten

    May 19th, 2010

    “So you think that Woodbury should be allowed to hack anybody’s server whenever they feel like it and then do a backpedal justification later? ”

    Was it hacked, or, like the JLU wiki leak, was Hazim given authorized access? People who commit nefarious online violations of peoples rights love to claim that those that leak their secrets have “hacked” them, but rarely prove the claim. Usually it is someone who was given access by the site admins or owners who actually happened to posess a sense of ethics and felt that blowing the whistle by leaking was more important for the public good than keeping the confidentiality of a site owner who is harming the public.

    There is a reason there are whistleblower laws, and that is because our society has decided that it is more important that individuals with access to information that is contrary to the public good be protected from those with power over them when they choose to do the ethical thing and leak the info to bring transparency into opaque places.

    Therefore, the answer to your question is, YES. No backpedalling necessary. Woodbury was acting in the public interest and according to the highest ethics of our society in blowing the whistle on the vile actions of Modular Systems and their collusion with Linden Lab.
42. 

    IntLibber Brautigan
    

    May 20th, 2010
    

    George,
    Except for you, Relic, and Frizzlefry, the other 17 members of your PN IRC are all spais. Enjoy your AIDS.
43. 

    Doc Egghead
    

    May 20th, 2010
    

    Occam’s Razor: seems more likely that WU got associated with griefers and LL acted in its typically arbitrary manner. Whether lunatics like Prok are correct is beside the point: LL, harried and losing customers, flails about like a drunk recalling better days: WU goes down.

    The Herald broke a really important story about Emerald and the database. Now if LL *really* wanted to come after the Herald, it could give it a go by permabanning Pix’s avatar and doing other nasty things.

    There’s other shit hitting the fan, too: based upon some leaks I’m getting from well-placed sources in EDU-land, LL dedicates more time now sniffing out big downloads, as content creators back up their stuff and head for OpenSim.

    Then LL bans the creators and their ALTs, permanently.

    So if you are thinking of jumping ship, back up your stuff gradually. Then scram.

    Let’s be sure it’s only Prok as the last resident, railing against the techno-commies, WU, PN, anyone under 50, and everyone else she doesn’t like.
44. 

    vigilance at all times
    

    May 20th, 2010
    

    It probably doesn’t make any difference to anybody now, however due to some surveillance, I have a photo of several of the Emerald Devs doing what appears to be a victory dance on ground zero of Woodbury at Ravenglass late late at night, after the evening of WU banning took place.
45. 

    It's Unfixable
    

    May 20th, 2010
    

    That wouldn’t be unique – there were victory parties all over the grid.

    @Doc Egghead – almost. WU fostered a relationship with griefers, and some of its founding members were PN, and that relationship stayed with WU till the end. It was nothing that snuck in while they weren’t looking, it was something they did on purpose.
46. 

    K.T.D.
    

    May 20th, 2010
    

    @GLE:
    You know I have respect for you, and consider you a friend in-world. That said I think you defend these guys just a little too much.

    I told you they had a tool like this, and I detailed how I believed it worked. I was just a little off in thinking that it was using CDS nodes as part of it’s network but beyond that I was dead on. I’m going to say what I already said again:

    ***FRACTURED CRYSTAL USED THIS APPLICATION AS A TOOL TO HARASS ANOTHER RESIDENT IN-WORLD.***

    I wouldn’t have known that they had this tool in advance had the person they harassed not been a friend of mine. Before the incident he was pretty much pro-MS and didn’t see them as really doing anything that bad. After it happened he was pretty damn pissed off and wanted to know just how the hell they were associating alts with eachother. They admitted to him in (Unencrypted) IMs that they had this tool thinking that OTR was on (It wasn’t) and said even if he ARed them LL wouldn’t act on the harassment because LL can not read the IM logs. Apparently LL still will not act on the harassment because it is an Emerald dev doing it.

    If they really were trying to do something for the good of the grid, as they try to spin this now, why did they misuse the tool to harass someone? They still have failed to address this.
47. 

    It's Unfixable
    

    May 20th, 2010
    

    @IntLibber – for once, you’re not full of shit, though the real number of spais in the PN is closer to 12. There are only about 5 real PN left, the rest are spais.
48. 

    K.T.D.
    

    May 20th, 2010
    

    @Doc Egghead:
    So you are saying that content creators are being banned for exporting large amounts of their content which they created every prim for, as well as all of the textures used within? I thought the new TOS at least allowed that form of export.

    If that’s true then LL’s starting to look as bad as IMVU’s staff.
49. 

    Ted
    

    May 20th, 2010
    

    Doc wrote:

    “There’s other shit hitting the fan, too: based upon some leaks I’m getting from well-placed sources in EDU-land, LL dedicates more time now sniffing out big downloads, as content creators back up their stuff and head for OpenSim.”

    What a shocker. True? Who knows, but I wouldn’t doubt it.

    Don’t forget to delete everything in your inventory before you turn out the lights and cancel your accounts. No reason to leave your works or purchases to go back to. This also helps you get your head straight that you are not going back for whatever purpose you’ve decided, and even if you did, it wouldn’t be worth going through all the costs associated with your years of purchases again.

    Soon after, the terms will again change to not allow the deletion of your own works and purchases. Your trash can will turn into a twenty ton safe for storage of your virtual valuables after you’ve departed.
50. 

    Kiddoh
    

    May 20th, 2010
    

    “almost. WU fostered a relationship with griefers, and some of its founding members were PN, and that relationship stayed with WU till the end. It was nothing that snuck in while they weren’t looking, it was something they did on purpose.”

    Which is totally why the PN started attacking WU constantly when Tizz refused to take money they stole out of someone’s account and instead ARed them?

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