Emerald In Disgrace!!! Philip Linden Warns Against Malicious Viewer!!!
by Pixeleen Mistral on 24/08/10 at 10:45 pm
Philip Linden took pen in hand today to warn Second Life players the controversial Emerald Viewer has been removed from the official list of third party viewers stating "We will not tolerate a viewer that includes malicious code, nor will we tolerate development teams with a history of violating users’ trust or disrupting their lives" on the Second Life blog.
Underlining the gravity of the situation, the Linden Lab CEO also sent virtual world residents personal e-mails – a task would could not have been fast, easy, or fun – encouraging players to flee the to other viewers: "If you have been using the Emerald viewer, for now we would encourage you to consider either one of the Linden Lab viewers, or an alternative third-party viewer".
The Herald contacted the Lab for comment, and Linden Lab PR specialist Pete Linden provided this statement:
We may remove viewers from the Third-Party Viewer Directory when they violate our Policy on Third-Party Viewers. The Policy prohibits the distribution of harmful functionality like denial-of-service attacks or griefing attacks. It also requires a published Privacy Policy that specifically describes what user data the third-party viewer collects, stores, and uses and how it uses, displays or shares that data.
As a result of multiple violations of the Policy, we have removed the listing of the Emerald viewer from the Third Party Viewer Directory.
We have insisted that the Emerald development team make transparent to the Second Life community the functionality of its viewer code and the user data that the Emerald viewer collects. We strongly urge all Residents who continue to use the Emerald viewer to make these demands as well. We also caution Residents of the potential risks involved in using certain versions of the Emerald viewer. Although we have not at this time disallowed use of the Emerald viewer entirely, we may do so if the problems with the viewer are not appropriately remedied by the Emerald development team.
Of note is the requirement of a published privacy policy specifically describing the user data collected by third party viewers and how this information is stored, displayed or used.
This requirement could be a problem for the Emerald viewer, which has a history of gathering full directory path names (which can include real life typists’ names) and baking these into avatar textures without the knowledge of the users. A dispute over this practice led to the departure of LordGregGreg from the Emerald gang recently after Lonely Bluebird (a.k.a. Phox) promised to remove the privacy leak, but did not. Lonely Bluebird remains on the Emerald development team.
The Lab’s statement supports claims by reliable sources that removal of the Emerald viewer from the third party viewer list was a unilateral action on the part of Linden Lab. This contradicts Emerald developer Skills Hak’s assertion that Emerald asked to be removed from the third party viewer list to transfer ownership of the listing from Fractured Crystal.
Mr. Crystal was thrown out of the gang in the wake of an Emerald viewer-based DDOS attack — although the Emerald gang leadership told the Herald this was not really a denial of service. Arabella Steadham – who does not lie – may want to consult with the Lab on their definition of a denial of service attack.
With Linden Lab cautioning players against using certain versions of the Emerald viewer, it may be only a matter of time before some or all versions are banned – unless appropriate remedies are enacted by the Emerald developers. Remedies may soon be moot however, if the players heed the Lab’s warning to flee Emerald.
Karen Palen
Aug 26th, 2010
The funniest part of all this is that Neil (author of Neillife, etc) is alive and well doing neat things with OpenSimulator V0.7 development!
There are at least a dozen “stealth” versions of the old “Neillife” viewer around as well.
As usual it is the thieves who are the only ones not seriously inconvenienced by this.
Yet another Emerald blog post | sweet f.a.
Aug 26th, 2010
[...] The rest of the team moved swiftly disassociate themselves from these actions. According to Skills Hak, they asked that Emerald be removed from the list of TVPs. According to Philip Linden’s statement yesterday, Emerald had no choice in the matter as the Lab had removed them. You can read more in The Alphaville Herald. [...]
Ted
Aug 26th, 2010
http://blog.modularsystems.sl/2010/08/25/ll-requirements-for-emerald/
“Use of the Emerald viewer is still your choice and Emerald is not a malicious viewer.”
Linden says it’s malicious (of course this is correct), and they claim the viewer is not. How interesting, I suppose bandwidth theft and DDOS attempts are not considered “malicious” to the Emerald team. What they had done could very well land them in jail, but the client isn’t “malicious”.
General Drama
Aug 27th, 2010
Dave Bell,
“Oh,and tell Pixaleen that there are plenty of tools to record who kills you in SL. Which lets you file an AR, if you wish. It’s commonplace amongst the SL militaries and around the combat sims, where getting killed is part of the game.”
SL military people definitely do not AR people for killing them, and they usually have their own group-only hit detectors, but those are generally collision detectors and not kill detectors. I don’t know the safe zone status of the Emerald sim, but it is more likely they have a scripted object that uses a tp home command rather than a damage command. tp home commands won’t register on hit detectors. Sorry.
Dave Bell
Aug 28th, 2010
My goof there, sorry. Pixaleen was talking about being “killed”, which implied the worst that the Emerald mob did was having damage enabled. Plausible deniability, at least. It looks like forcing a teleport home needs land owner privileges, or the target using a Restrained Love Viewer. Either way, Pixaleen would be justified in filing an AR. I meant that the detector tools were commonplace and part of the combat-sim game, not the ARs.
& the big picture is....
Aug 29th, 2010
Just for one moment, think about the consequences of Emerald Developers collapsing… now some of you might think this is good, after all they did the unthinkable or did THEY??
The developer team is made up of different people who give their time and knowledge for free to develop new ideas so you can have a viewer offering many features that are not offered by LL on their basic viewer. Think of the basic viewer like the basic “Ruth” avatar you were offered the day you started. You all still look like “Ruth” right?? Individuality really sucks hey!
These developers have come from all age groups and all backgrounds, some were originally engaged in less desirable ‘projects’ but turned to putting their effort to good projects. I think it’s fair to give them a chance if they didn’t personally have involvement with the recent goings on. Is it fair to punish the whole group for something one or two people secretly did without other members of the group being aware?
Now SOME members of the original Modular Systems Development team over stepped the line and are no longer part of the team, but you shouldn’t just assume that means everyone in the original team were party to it or were agreeable to it.
I believe a real effort is being made to try and get the reformed Emerald Development team on the job of producing a viewer that is compliant and transparent in it’s development. They know they are on a fine line now so there wouldn’t be another chance if something like this happen again. Emerald code and the viewer is certainly being looked at in detail by LL now so it isn’t likely there could be anything malicious about it or it’s use would have been blocked. If you really did like the good stuff Emerald Viewer offered then seriously consider giving them a chance to prove they can reform and present the goods everyone has come to enjoy… it was YOU who made Emerald Viewer the most popular viewer remember!!
At the moment there is a heck of a lot of flack being spun about how bad things are, how you shouldn’t use the Emerald Viewer etc and you know something really comical about this… most of the alternative viewers use some if not many chunks of Emerald source code in their builds so what DOES happen next once Emerald collapses?? Enjoy the choices you have because many of them came about due to the work done at Modular Systems.
For goodness sake, Pixaleen walked into a situation looking for a news story! The Alphaville Herald is a NEWS reporting agency so they elaborate on anything that could be good for grabbing attention. Pixaleen, as a ‘professional reporter’, you should know your presence isn’t always going to be welcomed (at many places) and at times you over step the mark too. I could read between the lines YOU WROTE… seems to me they were being polite in not just telling you to “go away”. You were in THEIR private sim after all. It’s understandable they might have been trying to sort out what was going on at the time you arrived and may not have been in a situation where they were ready to issue you with a press report.
Perhaps people forget that news as reported is NOT always the truth either. For the moment people, stop calling out and panicking over what is and what isn’t. If you ARE concerned about your personal details being available to others then follow the advice given and delete a single file from your Emerald viewer directory.
Is this not a learning curve we should take note of instead of pretending it will all go away if we brush it under the carpet?
Property theft; LL have the means to block things if they choose. they have the ability to seek out objects that have been replicated and distributed. LL can search everyones inventory to locate any reported stolen objects and remove them. Everything has a UUID, it can be tracked, blocked and the problem of your stolen work no linger exists.
Security issues; I still use Emerald, I run a Linux OS, according to the dramatics I’m vulnerable but to what?? My Linux user account I use to play SL is: (get this) the exact same name as my SL account! So what am I concerned about, security starts with YOU!!
Lets look at this rationally, someone stuffed up and got caught. Bring down the whole team because that will fix it right? WRONG! Remove these guys and what happens? There will be others to take their place making other malicious viewers. The amount of fighting between different groups all supposed to be openly contributing to an open source code is ridiculous. It’s a war out there and the end result of it all is some of you are trying hard to kill one valuable source. Great if you enjoy the new LL V2 viewer BUT has anyone considered the REAL issue is great big holes in the original LL code that allows these exploits to happen in the first place?? Maybe the answer is LL work at rebuilding some of the original code to plug the holes… at the very least patch known faults so the exploits no longer function. If LL really considered the issues that have come from Emerald Viewer to be as serious as everyone here makes out, don’t you think they would have locked the use of Emerald Viewer out of the system completely?
Shame on Philip Linden effectively instigating a panic by launching that notice. If Emerald Viewer was THAT much a risk, why don’t LL prevent it’s use completely?
Techye
Aug 29th, 2010
Skills Hak is apart of the bad press of Emerald and the viewer with the CDS device. I thus think that LL (Linden Research Inc) as a whole shouldn’t allow it to come back to the grid. If LL allowed it to come back to the grid as a TPV, what is to stop the team from continuing to do the bad things of the past from the data mining, to this DDOS attempt and more.
Nelson Jenkins
Aug 29th, 2010
@ the big picture
I’ve tried to stop posting long-assed responses but yours doesn’t have one yet, so what the hell.
“Just for one moment, think about the consequences of Emerald Developers collapsing… now some of you might think this is good, after all they did the unthinkable or did THEY??”
Don’t understand that last bit. Anyways, yes, I would think that this is good. It’s not like the Emerald devs are the only people who know how to code in the world. Someone else can pick through the now-open-source code and build their own viewer, without the shitty background.
“The developer team is made up of different people who give their time and knowledge for free to develop new ideas so you can have a viewer offering many features that are not offered by LL on their basic viewer. Think of the basic viewer like the basic “Ruth” avatar you were offered the day you started. You all still look like “Ruth” right?? Individuality really sucks hey!”
Individuality is important, yes. Good work proving that.
“These developers have come from all age groups and all backgrounds, some were originally engaged in less desirable ‘projects’ but turned to putting their effort to good projects. I think it’s fair to give them a chance if they didn’t personally have involvement with the recent goings on. Is it fair to punish the whole group for something one or two people secretly did without other members of the group being aware?”
I genuinely believe that, as a whole, the Emerald project was good. Don’t misunderstand me; I did once enjoy the power and feature set Emerald provided, but once I discovered the developers’ backgrounds, I was more than just uncomfortable with using it. The fact that the current devs have just had a pissant attitude over it is the reason why I’m still upset, not to mention the fact that Skills and Phox are still on the team (and still going about things their own way, defying Linden Lab’s policies and requirements). In addition, most of the dev team knew about Fractured’s DDoS plan before it was put into action, but chose to ignore it and only raise a fuss when someone found out. Jessica claims the same for emkdu.dll, except that they attempted to “resolve it internally” – except that it was being “resolved internally” for over 6 months.
“Now SOME members of the original Modular Systems Development team over stepped the line and are no longer part of the team, but you shouldn’t just assume that means everyone in the original team were party to it or were agreeable to it.”
Most of the major devs HAVE played a part in Emerald’s three-act fiasco, though.
“I believe a real effort is being made to try and get the reformed Emerald Development team on the job of producing a viewer that is compliant and transparent in it’s development. They know they are on a fine line now so there wouldn’t be another chance if something like this happen again. Emerald code and the viewer is certainly being looked at in detail by LL now so it isn’t likely there could be anything malicious about it or it’s use would have been blocked. If you really did like the good stuff Emerald Viewer offered then seriously consider giving them a chance to prove they can reform and present the goods everyone has come to enjoy… it was YOU who made Emerald Viewer the most popular viewer remember!!”
This mindset is why the Emerald team was able to roll over its client base the other 2 times as well. “There’s nothing wrong, we promise!” should be their new trademark. Just because the code is open-source doesn’t mean that it’s the code that gets put in the binary installer. In addition, Phox is secretly going against the Lab’s requirements by instructing users to re-download emkdu.dll and install it manually, which is why xxkdu.dll functionality has not been removed (the intention is to just install it manually on the down-low). So no, I think there still needs to be some problems ironed out before I can say that there is a serious effort being made.
“At the moment there is a heck of a lot of flack being spun about how bad things are, how you shouldn’t use the Emerald Viewer etc and you know something really comical about this… most of the alternative viewers use some if not many chunks of Emerald source code in their builds so what DOES happen next once Emerald collapses?? Enjoy the choices you have because many of them came about due to the work done at Modular Systems.”
If Emerald collapses, it’s not like all of their code will disappear from every single viewer in the world on everyone’s computers. It just means that, most likely, someone will take Emerald and inject it with some new ideas and a cleaner slate. Why is this bad?
“For goodness sake, Pixaleen walked into a situation looking for a news story! The Alphaville Herald is a NEWS reporting agency so they elaborate on anything that could be good for grabbing attention. Pixaleen, as a ‘professional reporter’, you should know your presence isn’t always going to be welcomed (at many places) and at times you over step the mark too. I could read between the lines YOU WROTE… seems to me they were being polite in not just telling you to “go away”. You were in THEIR private sim after all. It’s understandable they might have been trying to sort out what was going on at the time you arrived and may not have been in a situation where they were ready to issue you with a press report.”
I’m not trying to bash Alphaville, but it’s not exactly a “news reporting agency”. In any case, if they wanted her out, why was she re-invited by Arabella every time she got kicked? Arabella even said that it wasn’t her, and that she’s trying to find out what went wrong.
“Perhaps people forget that news as reported is NOT always the truth either. For the moment people, stop calling out and panicking over what is and what isn’t. If you ARE concerned about your personal details being available to others then follow the advice given and delete a single file from your Emerald viewer directory.”
I should hope that everyone already did that, but why is anyone still gung-ho about trusting these guys? Need I point out my commie award? And that’s just a draft! Here’s the full timeline, if you’re interested: http://emeraldscandal.wordpress.com/updated-timeline/
“Is this not a learning curve we should take note of instead of pretending it will all go away if we brush it under the carpet?”
… what? It sounds like you’re basically disproving your own argument here.
“Property theft; LL have the means to block things if they choose. they have the ability to seek out objects that have been replicated and distributed. LL can search everyones inventory to locate any reported stolen objects and remove them. Everything has a UUID, it can be tracked, blocked and the problem of your stolen work no linger exists.”
Cool. First of all, no, this doesn’t happen. A friend of mine that built the Unit 5 Police SUV has filed hundreds of reports on them (as they were “stolen”) but they’re still used all over the grid. Second of all, how is this relevant?
“Security issues; I still use Emerald, I run a Linux OS, according to the dramatics I’m vulnerable but to what?? My Linux user account I use to play SL is: (get this) the exact same name as my SL account! So what am I concerned about, security starts with YOU!!”
Good for you! Would you like a cookie? Y’know, some people have to work using accounts that have their names in them, as required by their employer/professor/wife/whatever. It’s not all about you.
“Lets look at this rationally, someone stuffed up and got caught. Bring down the whole team because that will fix it right? WRONG! Remove these guys and what happens? There will be others to take their place making other malicious viewers. The amount of fighting between different groups all supposed to be openly contributing to an open source code is ridiculous. It’s a war out there and the end result of it all is some of you are trying hard to kill one valuable source. Great if you enjoy the new LL V2 viewer BUT has anyone considered the REAL issue is great big holes in the original LL code that allows these exploits to happen in the first place?? Maybe the answer is LL work at rebuilding some of the original code to plug the holes… at the very least patch known faults so the exploits no longer function. If LL really considered the issues that have come from Emerald Viewer to be as serious as everyone here makes out, don’t you think they would have locked the use of Emerald Viewer out of the system completely?”
So you’re saying we should just give up? Copybotters will just rule the grid? That’s a great plan of action. Oh, also, LL can’t patch the holes because – get this – Emerald won’t update to the latest codebase fast enough. If LL releases an update and someone reads the update notes that note that an exploit was fixed, guess what? They’ll use another viewer to use that exploit. If there were no third-party viewers, these exploits would be patched up much, much quicker.
“Shame on Philip Linden effectively instigating a panic by launching that notice. If Emerald Viewer was THAT much a risk, why don’t LL prevent it’s use completely?”
Because Linden Lab can’t afford to waste their support staff’s time on people asking why they can’t log in. They’d cut off 20-30% of their logins per day. In addition, do you realize how much backlash there would be against the Lab if all of a sudden, without warning, Emerald was just blocked? Now that Philip explained what’s going on, people at least have gotten a fair warning.
General Drama
Aug 29th, 2010
Any project involving jkool and/or ph0x is, by definition, not “good”. They both have long and storied histories in SL of IP theft, malicious viewer coding, and many other activities that are, according to the law, criminal. The only reason they aren’t in jail is that nobody in law enforcement gives a shit about second life. SL is sort of the Somalia of the IT world, ungoverned and left that way by law enforcement to serve as an example to justify new regulations when they get around to it and need another mission (i.e. when the whole war on terrorism thing is over, THEN they’ll be interested in the war on e-terrorism). This is how law enforcement works, rather than wrapping existing law to fit a new situation, they ignore it until enough people get irate enough to testify before congress bitching about evil people on their e-lawns stealing their textures and shit, to justify a whole new expansion of power.
Friend of all
Aug 30th, 2010
I have a bit of a problem with ph0x admitting he that called several houses and harrassed them.
Ted
Aug 30th, 2010
“I have a bit of a problem with ph0x admitting he that called several houses and harrassed them.”
Not sure why. Emerald is a group of adolescent code crackers. Not real programmers. 99.5 percent of the Emerald viewer was developed by Linden Lab and other contributors. Not your famous Emerald cracker want to be’s. Any real developers have moved on. Thus the lack of support with Linden’s own open source projects. People have wised up to whom Linden Lab is.
Nothing new here. The pole in the attic for Linden to dance to is awaiting. It’s been there, will be there, until Linden hands in the towel. And In my opinion, it’s not to far off. Most of the real improvement in technology has moved beyond Linden Lab and now resides in the hands of those that will indeed make it work.
Ted
Friend of all
Aug 30th, 2010
Second Point of discussion. Who cares about all this drama.
Friend of all
Aug 30th, 2010
For anyone who cares, Skills Hak owns emerald point. GET READY.
Also, why doesn’t anyone give 2 shits and 1 giggle about red zone.
Friend of all
Aug 30th, 2010
@Nelson
Yes Pixie, got kicked out a few times. Even Codizzo(mentally unplugged) told her that it was not a DDOS attack. She got kicked out back then because emerald right now cannot take anymore damage. They can face law suits for the damage they caused on their users. Anyone is liable to sue them not just Hazim.
Note everyone using emerald helped with the DDOS. Anyone using emerald is liable to sue Emerald.
Friend of all
Aug 30th, 2010
[8:21] Thomas Shikami: do you know if fLife is safe to use?
[8:24] Fractured <3: its considered malicious by CDS, I don't know if its "safe" to use or not
[8:24] Fractured <3: not personally acquainted with it
[8:25] Thomas Shikami: why is it malicious?
[8:25] Fractured <3: I don't know
[8:25] Fractured <3: ask Skills Hak i spose
[8:25] Fractured <3: why o.o
[8:26] Thomas Shikami: sounds like CDS made to make people stop using other 3rd party viewers except Emerald
[8:26] Fractured <3: why would youthink that o.o
[8:26] Thomas Shikami: is it not Emerald and a possible new viewer? Make it malicious
[8:26] Fractured <3: lol
[8:27] Thomas Shikami: also Skills can't have a copy of that viewer to test if it's malicious or not
[8:27] Fractured <3: just because I don't know why someone elses system blocks a viewer is a absurd rational for immediately assuming its out to mark everything as malicious
[8:27] Fractured <3: why is that?
[8:27] Thomas Shikami: because it isn't released or available
[8:27] Fractured <3: then how are they detecting it?
[8:28] Thomas Shikami: you said that it's malicious
[8:28] Fractured <3: you think one can reasonably design detectors for viewers they can't get a copy of?
[8:28] Fractured <3: or someone to demonstrate for them
[8:28] Fractured <3: otherwise they wouldn't know how to see it
[8:28] Fractured <3: so I can conclude skills or one of her staff has access to it, or someone on it
[8:29] Fractured <3: how do you know it isnt released or available?
[8:29] Thomas Shikami: because I know the creators
[8:29] Fractured <3: lol
[8:29] Fractured <3: well if it isn't distributed, and the creators aren't known
[8:30] Fractured <3: then its impossible for CDS to be detecting it, and its not an issue
[8:30] Thomas Shikami: why is it considered malicious then?
[8:30] Thomas Shikami: [8:24] Fractured Crystal: its considered malicious by CDS, I don't know if its "safe" to use or not
[8:30] Fractured <3: as I said, I don't know why it is considered malicious
[8:31] Fractured <3: I only know that your statements do not make logical sense, because if it was not distributed, it wouldn't matter what CDS thought about it
[8:31] Fractured <3: not to mention the improbability of a detection method existing for a non-distributed viewer
[8:32] Fractured <3: I can only assume that it IS distributed, or that somreone who works on it demonstrated it to skills or a staff member at gemini cybernetics
[8:32] Thomas Shikami: is Onyx considered malicious as well?
[8:33] Fractured <3: Onyx is not known to be used for malicious purposes, so no
[8:33] Thomas Shikami: then why is fLife then
[8:33] Fractured <3: also, onyx is physically incapable of being detected in any case for the reasons I outlined above
[8:33] Thomas Shikami: well, I can help Skills in detecting onyx
[8:33] Fractured <3: sec, let me refactor this into a nice paragraph
[8:38] Fractured <3: You have said that fLife is not distributed, and that is is not available.
Assuming that this is true, then if CDS can detect it, it would imply CDS knows something no antivirus company on the planet does, which is improbable.
Since I can reasonably believe that CDS cannot detect something it has not been exposed to, then one can conclude that either a Gemini Cybernetics staff member has fLife, or has access to someone who does.
If the viewer is not distributed, this would have to be one of the developers.
If they either have it or access as described, it is reasonable to believe that they have a logiucal basis for saying that it is malicious, and could determine such.
If they don't, then it is irrelevant, because fLife is not distributed and has no reputation to harm, and is statistically improbable that it could be detected without any exposure to create a signature.
[8:38] Fractured <3: tell me if you see anything wrong with that statement
[8:40] Thomas Shikami: it doesn't make sense, as you said, fLife is considered malicious then your whole sentence is moot
[8:40] Fractured <3: im saying I believe you are either incorrect about its distribution or that a developer helped with the creation of the signature
[8:41] Fractured <3: and since for the signature to be accurate it would have to match the actual client unless they also possessed fLife they couldn't have faked a meaningful one complete with evidence of some sort of malice
[8:41] Thomas Shikami: or you're telling me shit
[8:42] Fractured <3: so what is the problem, specifically
[8:42] Fractured <3: are you complaining that CDS detects fLife and bans users on it?
[8:42] Thomas Shikami: you said fLife was considered malicious, fLife isn't distributed, fLife isn't malicious
[8:42] Thomas Shikami: it's contradicting as you noticed yourself
[8:42] Fractured <3: then unless CDS has some magic power that every antivirus company on the planet doesn't
[8:43] Fractured <3: it would mean CDS has a invalidentry that will never really effect a client that has no public existence or reputation to harm
[8:43] Fractured <3: and that this is a stupid conversation as a result
[8:43] Fractured <3: no?
[8:44] Thomas Shikami: so are you lieing?
[8:44] Fractured <3: abour what
[8:44] Thomas Shikami: that fLife is considered malicious
[8:44] Fractured <3: I specifically recall a staff member mentioning it as being such, sec
[8:45] Fractured <3: "fLife 1.24.4 (142) Oct 26 2009 13:11:30 (fLife)"
[8:45] Fractured <3: " It has crashers and clothe ripping"
[8:45] Fractured <3: thats all I have on hand
[8:45] Fractured <3: do you want me to talk to Skills or something
[8:45] Thomas Shikami: mhm
[8:45] Fractured <3: and say what
[8:45] Thomas Shikami: I wanna talk to him in private, is that okay?
[8:46] Fractured <3: nothing stopping you from IMing her
[8:46] Thomas Shikami: I'm still waiting for answer
[8:46] Fractured <3: okay in what sense
[8:46] Fractured <3: if you mean "do I care" no, I don't care
[8:47] Fractured <3: I hope you have a better rational than what youve presented here, though, as I doubt skills is as patient as me
Friend of all
Aug 30th, 2010
[17:06] Ash Qin: Hello, Lestat, are you free for a moment?
[17:07] Ash Qin: This is with regards to your appeal to GEMINI CYBERNETICS CDS
[17:12] Lestat Umarov: yeah
[17:12] Lestat Umarov: What’s up?
[17:13] Ash Qin: Two things 1) You have been delisted 2) Any future clients you ‘test’ should be on another computer or even better a virtual machine. Some viewers install rootkits on your system and grant complete access to everything on your system
[17:13] Lestat Umarov: That’s a bit scary…
[17:13] Ash Qin: One viewer that does that is kore.
[17:13] Ash Qin: Also, I do suspect your system has been compromised already.
[17:14] Ash Qin: In which case I would suggest reinstalling the OS (not upgrading) and changing all your passwords you have ever used on that computer
[17:15] Ash Qin: Do the password changes after you have reinstalled.
[17:15] Lestat Umarov: You just suspect that it is or know?
[17:15] Ash Qin: I know that a rootkit is running, I don’t know which viewer it came from and I don’t know if anyone has taken info from your system
[17:16] Lestat Umarov: How do you know a rootkit is running?
[17:17] Ash Qin: I can’t reveal that information due to copybotters spoofing things to make it more difficult to detect
[17:17] Ash Qin: Err, copybotter authors
[17:18] Lestat Umarov: Well, you’re telling me to reformat(which is a huge pain in the ass) but not saying how you know I should
[17:18] Ash Qin: Feel free to ignore the advice. It’s only advice.
[17:19] Ash Qin: I mean, I reveal this information to you because there is reasonable cause to find you’re legit
[17:20] Ash Qin: Either way, you have been delisted. Please ensure your system is void of other ‘bad’ viewer stuff or you may get picked up again.
[17:20] Lestat Umarov: flife is ok right?
[17:20] Ash Qin: fredlife is fine
[17:20] Lestat Umarov: no, flife made by Faron Karu
[17:21] Ash Qin: Just a sec
[17:21] Lestat Umarov: It basically reduces lag and gives you a better framerate
[17:21] Ash Qin: Give me a minute, there is a lot of viewers on the list that are considered bad, I have to go through them all
[17:23] Ash Qin: There is an flife listed as a griefer viewer, I’m still matching up the info though.
[17:23] Lestat Umarov: fLife 1.24.4 (142) Oct 26 2009 13:11:30 (fLife)
[17:27] Ash Qin: That’s confirmed as a griefer viewer – I would need to ask Skills for specific on why and let you know a bit later. In the meantime, I can suggest you try out snowglobe, it’s currently considered the most fast viewer out there.
[17:29] Lestat Umarov: I’d appreciate if you could find out
[17:30] Ash Qin: It has crashers and clothe ripping
[17:31] Ash Qin: That’s why it’s listed as a griefer viewer
[17:33] Lestat Umarov: Doesn’t to the best of my knowledge
[17:35] Ash Qin: I’ll put it on my review list if ?I can find a copy
[17:35] Ash Qin: Other than that, the current ‘bans’ on that viewer are inplace until found otherwise
[17:36] Lestat Umarov: I’m gonna look into whether there’s a rootkit in place
[17:36] Lestat Umarov: If I don’t find anything on my system after checking for it I don’t see a reason to reformat
[17:37] Ash Qin: Remember, a rootkit can hide itself from the system proccess list, appearing in the registr, even from being seen in explorer
[17:37] Lestat Umarov: I know
[17:37] Ash Qin: Alright.
[17:37] Ash Qin: Good luck!
[17:37] Lestat Umarov: Thanks}
Nelson Jenkins
Aug 30th, 2010
@ Thomas Shikami
Your argument is pretty silly, and unfortunately I’m siding with Fractured… you’re just inciting a bunch of drama, basically.
@ Ash Qin’s log
Wow, that’s bullshit. If someone that banned me from their sim told me that I had a rootkit in my system but didn’t tell me what it was or how to remove it, I’d be both unimpressed and slightly worried that they claim to know more about my computer than I do through the use of an undocumented, secretive exploit. I’d probably believe that they even put it in there.
Ted
Aug 30th, 2010
“For anyone who cares, Skills Hak owns emerald point. GET READY.”
Not sure why you keep posting the drama “friends of all”.
Linden Lab won’t exist or will be completely irrelevant within the next five years.
Why do you so much care about Emerald? It wasn’t even a legitimate project.
What will you talk about when Linden sells or closes Second Life?
You better start thinking about it. It’s not all that far off. You should remember the words spoken and how it will come about. It’s all been stated on this very site in the last two years.
It’s your call, stick with what you believe. But find something or someone that makes sense. Believing is superb if you can trust another, but believing in the adversary will lead to destruction.
5 years – Linden will not hold a candle to the technology being developed and those that are contributing. Real open source programming on the Linden base doesn’t need legitimizing by Linden Lab. Linden loves to step up to the plate and dictate as they have with the TPVP, and the response to Emerald. But Philip knows the truth. He is batting a ball with his eyes closed, he is stumbling all over the stage. He has nothing to offer whatsoever and will be dancing on the pole in the attic as stated on this site in times past.
Get ready… It’s not all that far off at all.
Nelson Jenkins
Aug 30th, 2010
@ Ted
“Not sure why you keep posting the drama” [...] “[rage and evangelism and drama]“
Friend of all
Aug 30th, 2010
@TED
NOOB
NOOB
NOOB
NOOB
NOOB
I care about emerald because they are going to continue it.
Nelson Jenkins
Aug 30th, 2010
@ Friend of all
I think your post just made me lose a few IQ points.
Friend of all
Aug 30th, 2010
@Nelson.
I lost IQ points for just writing it.
General Drama
Aug 30th, 2010
Nelson,
Actually Thomas has a point. The fact that CDS lists a private viewer as malicious without having any evidence to support such an assertion demonstrates that CDS is being used as an anticompetitive tool and not a tool to protect against malicious clients. jkool’s attempts to talk his way around that, notwithstanding.
Friend of all
Aug 30th, 2010
Skills is in emerald and owns emerald point now.
More drama.
If everyone tells me that CDS had nothing to do with emerald, then why did fracture also commit to datamines.
And why is everyone ignoring red zone. We need to kill both of the systems.
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[16:15] Arabella Steadham: this is suddenly a huge amount of misinformation doing the rounds, about viewers, their capabilities and what that can do to destroy you in SL
[16:16] Fractured Crystal: dramastorm in part caused by CDS im sure
[16:16] Fractured Crystal: I have the solution
who better to say what clients can and cannot do than onyx, affiliated directly with emerald development and modular systems
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– Instant message logging enabled –
[9:48] You sense a disturbance in the force… (Kasey Broono is typing)
[9:48] Kasey Broono: hi there
[9:48] Fractured Crystal‧: hi?
[9:48] Kasey Broono‧: we talked before
[9:48] Fractured Crystal‧: I know
[9:48] Kasey Broono‧: i been playin sinces 2005
[9:48] Kasey Broono‧: ok
[9:48] Kasey Broono‧: and i know fermi owner and little blue owner sandbox and alll dat
[9:48] Kasey Broono‧: i know if dat went down they wouldent stand it
[9:49] Kasey Broono‧: why u let her go like dat?
[9:49] Kasey Broono‧: i mean dat ant what a admin
[9:49] Kasey Broono‧: spose 2 do
[9:49] Fractured Crystal‧: because I don’t care, and I had a workout interrupted so i could log on and help repair some roadwork on a estate, and also don’t care
[9:50] Kasey Broono‧: but u dah owner
[9:50] Kasey Broono‧: to
[9:50] Fractured Crystal‧: I pay 300USD a month in sim fees for that privilege
[9:50] Fractured Crystal‧: so I can do whatever I want
[9:50] Kasey Broono‧: yeah she dont
[9:50] Kasey Broono‧: man
[9:50] Kasey Broono‧: you can
[9:50] Kasey Broono‧: she dont pay no 300 bucks rl cash
[9:50] Kasey Broono‧: u do
[9:50] Fractured Crystal‧: your missing the point
[9:51] Fractured Crystal‧: I don’t care if she ejected you
[9:51] Fractured Crystal‧: I wouldn’t care if she banned you
[9:51] Kasey Broono‧: why u got a sandbox
[9:51] Fractured Crystal‧: because I felt like ity
[9:51] Kasey Broono‧: if u dont care if a bad rep go around
[9:51] Kasey Broono‧: am just tryin to figer dis out
[9:51] Kasey Broono‧: so if she ejected you u wouldent care
[9:52] Fractured Crystal‧: I own the sim}
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[4:44:48 AM] Liapera: you know, if you’ve got a problem with me you can always feel free to talk to me about it.
[4:45:18 AM] Liapera: after all, if I am doing something wrong I am the only person that can fix it.
[4:46:40 AM] Zwagoth Klaar: I’d say the same thing.
[4:46:43 AM] Liapera: you know, instead of talking shit behind my back.
[4:46:57 AM] Liapera: Something I did not do to you.
[4:47:02 AM] Liapera: Nor was I expecting you to do the same.
[4:48:26 AM] Zwagoth Klaar: I’m entitled to my opinion of you, and can voice it. I gave my reasoning for it as well.
[4:48:56 AM] Liapera: Alright, so why do you think that way, and why do you feel the need to tell others about the negative feelings you have about me, instead of voicing thme to me so that I may possibly assess these?
[4:49:09 AM] Liapera: That simply does not make sense to me, I mean unless you’re there to start drama.
[4:49:49 AM] Zwagoth Klaar: None of what I said was mean’t to start drama. For one thing, I don’
[4:49:56 AM] Zwagoth Klaar: t know what you heard, or how much
[4:50:07 AM] Liapera: I know enough on at least two occasions.
[4:50:17 AM] Liapera: That’s what concerns me.
[4:50:48 AM] Zwagoth Klaar: Enough doesn’t tell me.
[4:50:54 AM] Liapera: I thought I had patched things up with you and I thought you were a cool guy, and then I find out you’re going behind my back and talking negatively to others about me and then acting all sweet to me to my face. So why?
[4:51:33 AM] Liapera: What have I done that has given you this incentive to spread slander when I wouldn’t do that to people I care about?
[4:51:52 AM] Zwagoth Klaar: Slander? I’m not trying to defame you in any way. I’ve expressed my opinions.
[4:51:57 AM] Zwagoth Klaar: and frustration
[4:52:44 AM] Liapera: expressing your opinions? That really sounds exactly like a nice way of saying, I was telling everyone that my opinion of you was that I dont like you for reasons that I wouldn’t explain to you when they bother me.
[4:53:07 AM] Liapera: I personally don’t understand why doing that fixes anything, when I am a generally receptive person when someone has an issue.
[4:53:23 AM] Liapera: Especially to you, Z- because I actually had an ounce of trust with you for awhile.
[4:53:32 AM] Zwagoth Klaar: I’ve expressed why I have issues with you before. You tend to take things out of context and believe others over the person themselves.
[4:53:50 AM] Liapera: In what way did you come to this conclusion?
[4:54:15 AM] Zwagoth Klaar: Lots of interaction with lots of people.
[4:55:14 AM] Zwagoth Klaar: I’ve also stated in both of the times I’ve vented, that part of my reasoning is jelousy.
[4:55:17 AM] Zwagoth Klaar: Go figure
[4:55:21 AM] Liapera: You’ve seen my interaction with lots of people? While I do interact with lots of people, I tend to react personally with people on a very limited level. I wasn’t aware that you had been there when I was ever reacting with lots of people.
[4:56:04 AM] Liapera: Your reasoning was jealousy, when you’re going about telling people that I consider you to be my ex, when that’s not true- as if I was the one that were jealous of you in your position?
[4:56:19 AM] Zwagoth Klaar: Muting me for things and never telling the person, and being annoyed with them irks me as well.
[4:56:45 AM] Zwagoth Klaar: lol your ex?
[4:56:46 AM] Zwagoth Klaar: no
[4:56:57 AM] Zwagoth Klaar: I said that from your own words, you felt attached to me
[4:58:23 AM] Liapera: This is what I don’t understand. I held you in a high regard Z. I may have muted you but I would have never gone out of my way to make you look bad. I muted you because of the very thing we are talking about. You were talking shit about me behind my back. I heard you myself. I didn’t go telling people you were a horrible person for that. I muted you mainly because I decided that perhaps the best way to stop you from fueling this fire you were making against me, for god knows why, was to stop giving you fuel. Stop talking to you. Stop trusting you and coming to you as a friend with the personal information that I would trust only my friends with.
[5:00:22 AM] Zwagoth Klaar: If you wish to point out my shortcommings to others, you way. I’m not going to be angry about it. I’m a very public person, and I express myself publicly.
[5:00:56 AM] Zwagoth Klaar: I pointed out that oh my, our personalities and definitions of things don’t coincide either.
[5:01:01 AM] Zwagoth Klaar: Both times.
[5:02:05 AM] Liapera: I wasn’t aware I was a freaking horrible person. I’m pretty sure I take every breath in my life with nothing but good intentions. I know I’m not perfect, but I am not out to get anybody. Not you, not jay. I’ve known jay a long time, and I want you to know that I’m not being friends iwth him, or you again, for any gain on my behalf. I did because I believed you both had good intentions and those are the kinds of people I want to surround myself with. We have like interests and jay is generally much different than he was before.
[5:02:19 AM] Zwagoth Klaar: I don’t consider you a horrible person.
[5:02:35 AM] Zwagoth Klaar: You’re blowing this out of proportion and misunderstanding what I’ve said.
[5:04:05 AM] Liapera: I’m letting you know, I never, ever talk about my friends behind their backs. That’s the same as hitting a person who can’t defend themselves. I don’t want you to talk about me either behind my back. I’m not here for drama, I have a lot to deal with, maybe more than you think I do. Please don’t talk shit about me, that’s all I ask. If you have a problem, please talk to me instead of sneering about it behind me. That’s what bugs me Zee.
[5:05:01 AM] Liapera: I may be blowing it out of proportion as you say, but that’s because morally I find it kind of insulting. I don’t hate you, and I’m sorry if I pissed you off somehow, but just talk to me if you have a tiff with me.
[5:06:41 AM] Liapera: I’m sure you’ll still complain about it, but whatever. I just wanted to let you know.}
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[13:56] Chalice Yao: Rezrez.
[13:56] Skills Hak: hi
[13:56] Chalice Yao: Greetings Joe, kyle :>
[13:57] Kyle Linden: Hello all.
[13:57] Joe Linden: Hello, Chalice, all.
[13:57] Joe Linden: We’ll start in a few
[13:57] Joe Linden: Is Fractured going to make a grand entrance or what?? ;=_
[13:57] Skills Hak: lol
[13:57] LordGregGreg Back: lol
[13:58] Chalice Yao: He’ll be here in a sec.
[13:58] Marty Linden has entered the sim.
[13:59] Chalice Yao: Heya Marty :>
[13:59] Jessica Lyon has entered the sim.
[13:59] Zwagoth Klaar is Offline
[13:59] Zwagoth Klaar has left the sim.
[13:59] Jessica Lyon: rezrez
[14:00] Rountree Linden has entered the sim.
[14:00] Zwagoth Klaar has entered the sim.
[14:00] Zwagoth Klaar is Online
[14:00] Howard Linden has entered the sim.
[14:00] Cyn Linden has entered the sim.
[14:00] Rountree Linden: hello
[14:00] LordGregGreg Back: nope
[14:00] Luminous Luminos: Nope
[14:00] Nina Tyson is Offline
[14:01] Chalice Yao snickers.
[14:01] Chris Tuchs: Why not?
[14:01] Luminous Luminos: He’ll be wearing the same old stuff he always wears lol
[14:01] Chalice Yao: yup, hearing you Z.
[14:01] Chalice Yao: Heya Rountree :>
[14:01] Cyn Linden: still rezzing sorry
[14:01] Chalice Yao: Heya Cyn
[14:01] Cyn Linden waves
[14:01] Chalice Yao: Losing track here..
[14:02] Chalice Yao: Ugh, Greg, you gotta fix your voice background.
[14:02] Chalice Yao: Hard humming
[14:03] Disconnected from in-world Voice Chat
[14:03] M Linden has entered the sim.
[14:03] Connecting to in-world Voice Chat…
[14:03] Connected
[14:03] Chalice Yao: Greetings M :>
[14:03] M Linden: Hello!
[14:03] Skills Hak: hi there
[14:03] Chris Tuchs turns on voice. “Sorry, I don’t have a mic.”
[14:04] Skills Hak: bit loud still but better
[14:04] LordGregGreg Back: greg
[14:04] Cyn Linden: lol
[14:04] Howard Linden: lol
[14:04] Chris Tuchs: [2:03:58 PM] jcool410: im not logged in
[2:04:18 PM] jcool410: tell them my cache is broken o.x
[14:05] Fractured Crystal is Online
[14:06] Michon Linden has entered the sim.
[14:06] Chris Tuchs: Can you give us any numbers? How much “share” of the currently logged in users are running Emerald?
[14:06] Fractured Crystal has entered the sim.}
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– Instant message logging enabled –
[12:23] reana Rau: please stay out of may home and my store, you’re banned and if you return you’ll be reported to LL for harassment
[12:24] Phox ModularSystems: Haha
[12:24] Phox ModularSystems: I’m an estate manager here, you should be a little more polite.
[12:24] reana Rau: i own this land you shoudln’t be trespassing ah don’t care who you are
[12:25] reana Rau: fine
[12:25] reana Rau: ah’m definirltely reporting you
[12:25] Phox ModularSystems: Go ahead
[12:25] reana Rau: oh here’s a beter one
[12:25] reana Rau: ah’ll just moce dickhead
[12:25] reana Rau: move
[12:26] Phox ModularSystems: Ok.
[12:26] reana Rau: i don’t need your douchebag bullshoit
[12:26] Phox ModularSystems: Cool story.
[12:26] reana Rau: fuck off furry fuckwad
[12:26] Phox ModularSystems: Oooh, now THAT is harassment AND intolerance.
[12:27] reana Rau: go to furry hell asshole
[12:27] reana Rau: this is hwo you treat peoplke who rent from you
[12:27] reana Rau: ?
[12:27] Phox ModularSystems: Rude immature people? Yes.
[12:27] reana Rau: you come in, play with there shit and wen they tell you to stay away you act liek you’re all insulted and offended
[12:27] Phox ModularSystems: I was never even in your house, I accidentally clicked on your bed while camming around.
[12:27] reana Rau: this is why i hate furries
[12:28] reana Rau: ypou were neve rin my house
[12:28] reana Rau: they why does my bed have your name atached as in control of it
[12:28] Phox ModularSystems: I guess you’ve never heard of alt-camming.
[12:28] reana Rau: whatever
[12:28] reana Rau: you were in my house and using mah things
[12:29] reana Rau: now you won’t let me oin my land
[12:29] Phox ModularSystems: Ok.
[12:29] reana Rau: i see ah was rigth abotu what kind of creep you are
[12:29] reana Rau: retun my stuff asswipoe
[12:29] Phox ModularSystems: I’d rather delete it.
[12:30] reana Rau: whatever}
Jayd3n
Aug 30th, 2010
LOL All I can say is fuck Emerald. They are constatly IP Logging people, and breaking multiple Internation Laws. Fractured Crystal was a douche, and so are many of the other emerald developers there.
My Friends IP address was on that log twice at least. LL needs to just ban the Fractured Crystal, and Skills Hak so they stop putting spyware in the Emerald release client.
Did you guys not hear that the Emerald Developers are sneaking some spyware into their release only so that they can scan your IP with Client Detection System (CDS), and see if it is a copybot viewer or not. That is how they have been Datamining residents, and seeing if they were on Neil Life, or another Emerald Copybot compared to Emerald Viewer. I am sick and tired of their crap and it needs to end now. SL is in deep shit right now. Also note that pretty much half the time has agreed to do this with skills hak, and that the source code will be clean, and I am sure other things will be sneaked into the client.
Have you guys not ever heard of Team Viewer, and remote access to a person with Server permissions. All they have to do is get a person to give them this, sneak some code into the emerald files, and then its done, they would never know it, neither would its users.
Billy
Aug 30th, 2010
wonders if they know logging goverment ip# are illegel as i found 100 goverment ip# withing the zip file link that was here a few days ago.
i smell lawsuit soon
Gundel Gaukelei
Aug 30th, 2010
quote: “Also, why doesn’t anyone give 2 shits and 1 giggle about red zone.”
The keyword regarding CDS is “conflicting interests”.
J
Aug 30th, 2010
Was M terminated because of his collusion with this group?
Tracey Humphreys
Aug 30th, 2010
Billy, missed the link for the zip file.
Would love to see it, believe I’m on it.
Could someone either email the zip to tracey.humphreys {at} gmail.com
or IM the link to me inworld?
Also, does anyone know who did the logging? If my name is on there, and I have enough proof who spied on me, I can file an abuse report.
Thanks
Was Vivox Chat p0wned by Emerald Developers? | The Alphaville Herald
Aug 30th, 2010
[...] Emerald gang. Fractured Crystal claimed responsiblity for the DDoS attack that led to Philip Linden warning players against the Emerald viewer last week, but perhaps he overheard something in a staff meeting that made him [...]
& the big picture is....
Aug 31st, 2010
a bit spammy hey??
& the big picture is....
Aug 31st, 2010
Personally I think it’s quite sad that people are committed to stringing up those who are still part of the Emerald developer group.
It’s easy to just turn your back on someone and brand them. I live my life knowing that sometimes people make mistakes but I’ve been taught to accept most people learn by making mistakes. I have made my share of mistakes, I have paid the price for that as well but I didn’t look at it as a loss, I learnt from it, I made a new life for myself.
Lets just consider something, if some of the people (avatars) mentioned in this document HAVE caused all the problems that are claimed, then Linden banning shouldn’t be much of a problem should it. Gather your evidence, your personal chat log files, your snapshots and file a complaint to Linden. Don’t just loud mouth in a blog about how you have been hard done by and do nothing about it… if you have grounds to complain, do it!
Seriously, third hand evidence is absolute CRAP. It doesn’t count!
To my way of seeing things unless someone has first hand evidence evidence (not 3rd hand) that they were personally targeted and can forward that evidence that shows something has occurred, they shouldn’t add to the argument. Opinions are fine but they can be incredibly damaging when vented in a way that depicts them as proof when there isn’t really proof. It’s just so easy to start rumours…
In the mean time as I said, the Emerald Development team are under the brightest and most focused spotlight imaginable right now. I cannot imagine too many avatars could be in the sights of Linden as Emerald team are at the moment. Yet they are (in my opinion) trying hard to move forward and continue making a viewer that complies to Lindens requirements AND are willing to accept Linden are going to be scrutinising it more than anything ever in the past.
Alright, lets suppose Linden do choose to ban use of the Emerald viewer, that would also mean they would rightfully have to ban the Emerald source code and any use of the snippets of Emerald source code that have been used in other alternative viewers as well.
Nothing lasts forever…. One day Linden Labs will become financially non-viable and yes, it will collapse. Nothing lasts forever, we are ALL just part of an evolving cycle of life. One day our solar system will collapse too, enjoy it while it still works.
As for stating LL cannot remove any unauthorised content? You have to be kidding! I was shown this email in the past few days and the person who gave it to me told me they were given a HUD and it just sat in their inventory, they didn’t even use it. They were not logged into SL when the email was sent. Here it is
We are writing to let you know that we removed some content you had in Second Life under our Intellectual Property Policy. For a list of the specific content we removed, please see the “IP Complaint Details” below at the bottom of this email.
When we receive an intellectual property complaint, we investigate it and look for copies of the content identified in the complaint. Our investigation found that you had some of this content. We replaced the content with generic placeholder item(s), as described in our FAQs on our Intellectual Property Complaint Process.
If you weren’t aware of an intellectual property issue, don’t panic or take it personally! Just take steps to avoid content that may have intellectual property issues. Here are some tips to protect yourself and keep your inworld shopping safe and fun.
Many thanks for your interest in Second Life.
– The IP Team at Linden Lab
Here is a list of all the animations in teh hud that this blog refuses to allow, considered it spam.
Now I’d like to say that I applaud LL going about things the way they have. It’s effectively removing content that has been stolen and distributed which to me shows that it is possible to protect content even after it has been stolen.
I have been good friends with this person for a few years now and I’ve never had reason to think she is a content thief. Imagine if LL just jumped at it and banned everyone who had one of these illegal HUDs!! My friend has not been reprimanded for having possession of it and why should she?
El
Sep 1st, 2010
I log in and play. I avoid confrontation, drama, sex (which equals drama) and I pay for clothes I admire. I shove my digital Barbie doll around SL, dress her up in the clothes I bought, listen to the music feeds, sit beside campfires, gently let down guys who want to cyber, socialise with people i trust, visit and explore new sims, then log out again.
I have no idea or interest in all of this ‘property theft or malicious content’ argument, and I don’t even care if my activity’s logged somewhere because, quite frankly, I’m just shoving the digital doll around a digital world.
So I shall confine my commentary to just two comments.
1. The SL viewer is dire. It’s not user friendly, and has all manner or pop out menus that fill the screen. I can find nothing, and gave up on the SL official viewers within about five minutes of discovering the much more user-friendly Emerald Viewer. I’ve used it continually since. And I shall continue to use it for as long as it works. And judging from the number of Emerald users in-world, I’m not alone in this.
2. More practically, since we’re thrashing our machines on a very, very graphic-heavy program, I’ll do all in my power to preserve my computer. And Emerald runs, routinely, at about 5 degrees cooler than the SL version, thereby not hammering the fans quite so much. So, again, Emerald wins out for me.
doc
Sep 1st, 2010
@ & the big picture is….
i try to make it short, here are allready enough walls of text.
@1. the people that were part of the problem are still there
@2. its much easier to close your eyes than do a bit research.
@3. no, its not. banning the people from SL is impossible, all they can ban are useraccounts, and banning the viewer would cause a lot of trouble for LL. LL has to decide if they want a lot of angry users that have no idea why they cant log in anymore, or if they prefer to have a client made by a bunch of feaks that still act like childs.
@4. depends on the source
@5. So many made up files and anecdotes? are you sure?
@6. the question is, what will they do, when LL turns the spotlight off? but yes, they are trying hard to move forward… and downplay anything. They still arent honest to their users.
@7. no, why?
@8. Astrophysics is one of my favourite subjects
@9. as far as i know, they cant actively seach for that kind of stuff in their DB. they need a tip from a user, and login in your account.
not gonna comment the rest.
Lok Mistwalker
Sep 1st, 2010
http://blog.modularsystems.sl/2010/09/01/the-end
Good Riddance
Danziel Lane
Sep 1st, 2010
Want to read Jessica’s words?
http://jessicalyons.wordpress.com/
Friend of all
Sep 1st, 2010
Jessica is just pissed off because one notecard in frac’s inventory contained her ip adress along with a few others.
Emperor Norton hears a who?
Sep 1st, 2010
Emerald is quitting. Are we at full OMG!!! stage drama yet? I assume we will see about a week or to of full raging now.
Personally, I have constructed a pillow fort in my computer room if I am forced to go to cover on this one.
Fingerer
Sep 1st, 2010
After all the drama of the past few weeks, after all the treettv, rezzed interviews, the youtube vids, the leaked FC inventory all of which I have paid close attention to, for Arabella to side with Lonely when LL gave them no choice but to remove him, it doesn’t come as any surprise. Birds of a feather stick together. It is a continuing case of kick out and destroy the whistle blowing honest ones in favor of continuing business as usual, underhanded, obfuscated and covert. The spin continues to ‘The End’.
LGG and Jessica tried to rescue the pirate ship but were forced to walk the gangplank.
We can only hope they put their heads together and find someway forward beyond Emerald.
Gaara Sandalwood
Sep 1st, 2010
wow, Joclyn seems to have finally migrated elsewhere. \o/
Nelson Jenkins
Sep 1st, 2010
http://emeraldscandal.wordpress.com/2010/09/01/its-the-end-of-the-world-as-we-know-it-and-i-feel-fine/
Friend of all
Sep 1st, 2010
Oh Nelson.
Discrete was one of the onyx devs who put a key logger in vlife. I have no respect for him.
Nelson Jenkins
Sep 1st, 2010
@ Friend of all
I try to exclude VLife accusations from that site since most everyone already knows 95% of copybot clients include malware.
El
Sep 4th, 2010
Further to my comment above, I’ve downloaded the new final(?) version of Emerald. It now runs on my computer at a full 10 degrees cooler than the SL viewer, which I refuse to use at all.
Computers are expensive, so not trying to fry the components is an important element to the viewer issue, and the SL viewer simply isn’t fit for purpose in this respect.
Get your finger out, LL! Let us have a proper viewer. Called it Diamond, Amethyst, whatever you want, but let us be rid of that wretched interface currently in use.